"Open Air" is the problem with this whole "new stadium" thing
by Hardcore Falcon on Feb 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST
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The problem that Arthur blank and the NFL don't seem to understand about a new stadium in Atlanta is the whole "Open Air" aspect of it. People who are not from here don't realize that the majority of season ticket holders and Atlantan's (see the poll numbers) do not want an "Open Air" stadium. If you changed the question to Domed or Retractable roof stadium (best of both worlds) then I believe that the opposition shifts if not to approval then at the very least, far less oppostion. I am a season ticket holder and have been for 20+ years. I dont want an "Open Air" stadium. I hate sitting in the pouring rain (3-4 games this season I would have left if they were not in the dome). I dont like sitting in freezing temperatures either. Who would want that if they had a choice. And in case the NFL forgot, they were lucky we had a dome when they did play the Super Bowl here because there was an ice storm which pretty much shut down the entire downtown area for a couple of days leading up to the super bowl. I know I have said it before, but I will keep saying it. Get your heads out of your a$$es and listen to the fans. We do not want an "Open Air" stadium. I would love a retractable roof stadium, but I guess since the fans would prefer it, we will never get it.
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It's going to be very interesting to see how the stadium plays
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I am not a season ticket holder.
And were we to get an open-air stadium, I would gladly become one.
- FOW
Did you read the article though?
Even if this thing isn’t paid for with tax dollars, the majority of people are still against it. And I believe it is because of the “open air” thing. They have already proven the they could convert the Ga Dome to a retractable roof system for far less than this new stadium would cost. I would prefer that option personally. I dont fault you for your opinion though. I just wont buy season tickets any more if they do it. I can easliy watch from home.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Feb 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I am inclined to agree, that I would be against tax dollars being used on the stadium.
I’m really torn. The dome seems too young to be abandoned now…. but even with all of its bookings and the two super bowls, I think of it as a decision I wish we’d never made. Now we are stuck with it. An open-air stadium could still host many events like the Chick-Fil-A bowl.
It’s more involved than yes or no. How much money would be spent and how would that money be recouped. I think more important that a new stadium is improving the area around the Dome. I accept it for what it is and still go to 2-4 games per season. But it would be nice to see Downtown Atlanta improved. I’m kinda losing focus here, so bear with me. I think it would also help to have an open-air stadium in that we could get an MLS team and possibly host some of the U.S. National Team matches. Whether or not you are a fan of soccer, it does seem to be a popular sport in Atlanta.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Feb 7, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I have no problem with the arguments you make
I played soccer from age 9 – 18 so I like it enough. When the Olympics were in Atlanta the only event I paid to see was Soccer. I have not problem with that at all. Or the Chik fil A bowl or anything else being played outdoors. I just dont like the Falcons entire season being played outdoors. Having major flashbacks to Atlanta Fulton County stadium… nightmares actually. Pouring rain, freezing temps. I hated going to games there. that’s why the fams never showed up even when they had good seasons (I know few and far between).
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by Hardcore Falcon on Feb 7, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
For me, it's a matter of I need to know more facts.
We can’t assume that a new stadium will really help a neighborhood given the area around the Dome is still in the condition it is. The only positive is that it won’t have a negative affect on the previous neighborhood, because they are pretty much the same.
But what else does it bring? Does it bring a new MLS team? How will the money be paid back to the Taxpayers? What else do you plan to do to improve the neighborhood?
Personally, I think Atlanta will need more than a new stadium for the Super Bowl. I think downtown will need to be improved, and dressed up a little bit. So, while I am not opposed to weathering the brutal Atlanta winters to watch the Falcons, or the even more brutal summers, you really need to know more about it.
- FOW
I know that the sarcasm wasn't obvious there.
but you can see in my comment below that the weather isn’t really cold enough in Atlanta for all the belly-aching about sitting outside in December/January.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Feb 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think it is narcissistic, greedy, and wasteful -
to want a new stadium when you currently play in perfectly good one that is about to celebrate it’s 20th birthday. Yeah, I know, you got screwed on the lease. Welcome to the world the rest of us live in. Still no reason to try and stick the taxpayers of GA with a bill likely in the $500 million range.
My biggest conundrum is how young the Dome is.
And while I don’t find it to be an appealing venue, it is in great shape. Kind of unfortunate that they didn’t originally have red and black seats. That would have been smart to have from the beginning. And the colors on the exterior are much better than they were.
Maybe Arthur should have put the money he spent to improve the Dome into a fund to help him so he could later build his own stadium. I guess hindsight is still 20/20.
- FOW
by skandrewj62j on Feb 7, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
the dome is now 20 years old
But I agree it looks concurrent to me.
Most stadiums are wasted after year 30 like Atlanta Fulton County Stadium or the old Omni (25 years)
Giants Stadium (35 ish years)
I think Arthur wants more luxury seating like someone else said, and other things that can’t be added to the current one due to structural issues, or whatever it is to attract Big NFL events to his stadium, but I like the other idea of continue to improve the current stadium
by brotherbrown on Feb 11, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I was first against it for tax purposes BUT,
The fact of the matter is that it will produce far more than what will be spent. As long as Mr. Blank isn’t using tax dollars to subsidize the operating budget once it is built then Atlantans will only profit. The NFL is huge business right now and as an investor anyone who can get a piece of it should. That means the city of ATL can and should get a bigger piece of the NFL pie. I do believe Arthur should put some skin in the game, something like 60% of the building costs. Btw is there anyone who could get a stadium built more efficiently and fiscally prudent than Arthur Blank? He is still part owner of a considerable amount of Home Depot. Shit y’all can bitch about taxes but I see nothing but $$$$$$.
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by Ball Hawk on Feb 7, 2012 11:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
^^I completely agree with this!!^^
I have also read the argument that this will affect how good the Falcons are at home. I disagree with this line of thinking. I feel that this “era” Falcons team is just more comfortable at home and don’t think it would really matter the “type” of stadium the team plays in!!
But, that’s just me…
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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The Falcons should renegotiate the terms of their GA Dome lease and stay there. . .
for ten more years until global warming makes winters in Atlanta more like those in Miami.
Dimitroff, the savior, is so omnipotent, maybe he can walk on water and make it happen sooner. Oh wait! Isn’t Dimitroff the same guy who signed Dunta Robinson for $57m to play in a scheme for which he was ill-fitted?
Pro Football Focus graded Robinson 101st of 109 qualifying cornerbacks in 2011, and ranked him even worse at 105th in pass coverage.
Damn.
You mean more like this winter from 2011-2012?
It’s pretty awesome outside right now. At this point the stronger complaint will be it is unbearably hot in August/September, not it is snowing/freezing rain in December/January.
I played 2 rounds of Golf at Christmas and New Year’s Day. That weather was awesome and would have been delightful for a football game.
- FOW
True, but
That is the exception rather than the norm.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Feb 7, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
No one doubted the talent of Nnamdi Asomugha
but he was misused in Philly as well.
It was mentioned, but Dunta is a press, physical DB. I only remember him playing 65 yards off the WR on his side every time. Can’t jam from that far out. Patriots did a great job of limiting Victor Cruz in the SB by having Arrington jam him at the line.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Feb 7, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
um, responding to the wrong post?
Not that I disagree with what your saying.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Feb 7, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Nah I replied to what DBFalcon was saying about Dunta
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by Caleb Rutherford on Feb 7, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
By saying that someone such as Nnamdi
who everyone knows is talented, still suffered in the wrong system.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Feb 7, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
You made my point about Dimitroff.
Why in the hell would a general manager sign a free agent to a $57m contract knowing the player would be put in a scheme that did not suit his talents? Whose fault is it that the player was put in a situation where he could not best succeed?
And how does the Eagles’ misuse of Asomugha excuse the Falcons’ bad decision making? You’re entitled to make a bad decision because someone else did? Give me a f**king break! . . . That’s Obama rationale. . . don’t judge me on my performance. . . make excuses, blame others. . . it’s not my fault, after all, I meant well. . . What BS. . . HYPER BS.. . . OMG. . . WTF BS!
No. One would have to think that management believed DR could adjust to the Falcons’ scheme or that with the addition of DR, the Falcons had the personnel to play a different scheme. In either case, the assessment was wrong. And that misjudgment, along with others, demands that Dimitroff’s decision making be questioned.
By the way, the Patriots contained Cruz because they double teamed him, not simply because Cruz was jammed at the line. Cruz had inside and outside coverage on him all night.
I don't want to owe money.
We’re in the middle of a recession and they want to put the people of Atlanta on the hook for 700million$? No thanks. DEFEND THE DOME.
Thank You
Yet again, tax payers spending money for the uber rich. Arthur Blank and the NFL are a for profit league, so why should the citizens build them a stadium?
Also, the NFL is an acknowledged SOCIALIST organization that shares television revenues equally amongst teams. Deal with it.
Mr. Mustard
by Mr. Mustard on Feb 12, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
WTF? You Got That Right!
After the Republican President George W. Bush left office we were in an economic tailspin, losing 750,000 jobs a MONTH. The banks were bankrupt. He wasted the $2 trillion surplus left to him by Democratic Presiden Bill Clinton, and added to the deficit by cutting taxes and HIDING the cost of two wars off the operating budget.
WTF are you talking about? Then, Mr. “Free Market” handed the banks $350 billion with no requirements. Yea, bailiing them out is really “free market”.
We have a sane health care policy now, which saves your precious middle man health insurance companies, but you STILL complain.
He killed Osama Bin Laden when the Republicans couldn’t do it.
We are getting jobs back, reigned in the banks and are finally not kissing Haliburton and Exxon’s butts.
What do you offer? Nothing except wedge issues and tax cuts for the rich. Still waiting for that Billionaire Fairy Dust to Trickle down. Oh yea, and Democrats are “bad”.
Geez you guys are just freaking ignorant.
Mr. Mustard
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