End All Debates #1: El Macco Flacco vs. Matty Snowballs (2008)

by InMattWeTrust on Feb 16, 2012 7:41 PM EST

*This is the first installment of my own created article series entitled "End All Debates" where, obviously we ebd debates. I will be giving you facts about all envolved in the debate and you decide who wins in the comments. I will post this on the sites of all envolved as well so I can see both sides of the story. Hopefully, you all won't be too biased ( ;} ). Tell me if you want more!*

For the 3rd overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select, Matt Ryan Quarterback Boston College.

For the 18th overall pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select, Joe Flacco Quarterback Delaware.

Thus, the discussions/debates, begin. I truly they predict they will not end very soon. Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, both amazing talents, skills, and knowledge, though at the end of the day one is better then the other. This is case #1 of hopefully many debates, I am not the judge, rather the defendant, lawyer, bailiff, and pretty much everything else. I digress, nonetheless (Call me Eminem, I got mad rhymes yo') let the discussions begin! Also keep in mind this is for 2008 ONLY!

Joe Flacco

Att	Comp	Pct	Yds	YPA	Lg	TD	Int	Rating	Att	Yds

428	257	60%	2,971	6.9	70	14	12	80.3

The Wacko Flacco had an above average rookie year compared to others. He was nominated for Pepsi Rookie Of the Year and came in 2nd. He also had a decent rushing season (!) espically compared to Matt Ryan. He had a respectable QB rating and a solid Complete %. He reached a near 3,000 yards (Seems low after the Year of the QB) which was great for the season. He also went into the playoffs and made a run for the AFC Conference losing to the Steelers.

Matt Ryan *(May have more knowledge since I'm an ATLien)*

Comp	Att	Pct	Yds	TD INT

265

434

61.1

3440

Matt Ryan had an above average rookie year very comparable to Flacco. He won the Pepsi Rookie of the Year Award. He wasn't very good in the rush and Flacco killed him. He had a better % and more yards. He had a better rating (sorry N/A) and more yards. The numbers do not lie (I SWEAR I NO BIAS!) and Matt Ryan had overall better numbers.

Final Verdict

Tie, Ryan had better numbers but Flacco was alot more versatile and had some athletic performances that can't be shown in stats.

Joe Flacco

Here is a list of WR's and TE's

Wide Receivers

Tight Ends

I don't know how to say this but, they were not great. In fact, I didn't know half of 'em until I started researching. All I know is they aren't really bad, but not really great. They had a very solid Todd Heap and some other playmakers but that is really all. Not very good...
Matt Ryan
Here's the list

Wide Receivers

Tight Ends

Both Matt Ryan and Flacco did not have weapons they have now. I didn't include Michael Turner for Matt Ryan because I felt it wasn't fair because Ray Rice didn't sprout at that point. The Falcons had some recognizable faces only in Roddy White. He hit his prime in 2008 but everyone else waas either young or only solid. We had butterfingerers(?) and guys who couldn't run routes. We didn't have Tony G yet and the Ravens didn't have Boldin. Most importantly to both of us, we did not have our beloved rookie wideouts (We should all know the names).
Final Verdict
Ryan all the way, even with the constant mess-ups they still made a good amount of plays. I don't know how you all are going to count this (negatively or positively).
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Basically, if you can't see it it says Support in sides. This means support from defence in this case...
Joe Flacco
I think we all know so let me make a picture book for you...

Matt Ryan

It's okay John, it's not you. Next season Peria will help you, or will he?

Section 3: Season

Joe Flacco

Regular season

Sept. 7 Ravens 17, Bengals 10
Sept. 21 Ravens 28, Browns 10
Sept. 29 Steelers 23, Ravens 20, OT
Oct. 5 Titans 13, Ravens 10
Oct. 12 Colts 31, Ravens 3
Oct. 19 Ravens 27, Dolphins 13
Oct. 26 Ravens 29, Raiders 10
Nov. 2 Ravens 37, Browns 27
Nov. 9 Ravens 41, Texans 13
Nov. 16 Giants 30, Ravens 10
Nov. 23 Ravens 36, Eagles 7
Nov. 30 Ravens 34, Bengals 3
Dec. 7 Ravens 24, Redskins 10
Dec. 14 Steelers 13, Ravens 9
Dec. 20 Ravens 33, Cowboys 24
Dec. 28 Ravens 27, Jaguars 7
Jan. 4 Ravens 27, Dolphins 9
Jan. 10 Ravens 13, Titans 10
Jan. 18 AFC championship: Steelers 23, Ravens 14

Matt Ryan

Week	Date	Time	Opponent	Result	Game site	TV	NFL Recap
1	September 7, 2008	1:05 p.m. (ET)	Detroit Lions	W 34-21	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	Fox	Recap
2	September 14, 2008	4:05 p.m.	at Tampa Bay Buccaneers	L 24-9	Raymond James Stadium - Tampa, Florida	Fox	Recap
3	September 21, 2008	1:05 p.m.	Kansas City Chiefs	W 38-14	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	CBS	Recap
4	September 28, 2008	1:05 p.m.	at Carolina Panthers	L 24-9	Bank of America Stadium - Charlotte, North Carolina	Fox	Recap
5	October 5, 2008	1:05 p.m.	at Green Bay Packers	W 27-24	Lambeau Field - Green Bay, Wisconsin	Fox	Recap
6	October 12, 2008	1:05 p.m.	Chicago Bears	W 22-20	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	Fox	Recap
7	October 19, 2008	Bye week
8	October 26, 2008	1:05 p.m.	at Philadelphia Eagles	L 27-14	Lincoln Financial Field - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania	Fox	Recap
9	November 2, 2008	4:15 p.m.	at Oakland Raiders	W 24-0	Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum - Oakland, California	Fox	Recap
10	November 9, 2008	1:05 p.m.	New Orleans Saints	W 34-20	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	Fox	Recap
11	November 16, 2008	1:05 p.m.	Denver Broncos	L 24-20	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	CBS	Recap
12	November 23, 2008	4:15 p.m.	Carolina Panthers	W 45-28	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	Fox	Recap
13	November 30, 2008	4:05 p.m.	at San Diego Chargers	W 22–16	Qualcomm Stadium – San Diego, California	Fox	Recap
14	December 7, 2008	1:05 p.m.	at New Orleans Saints	L 29-25	Louisiana Superdome - New Orleans, Louisiana	Fox	Recap
15	December 14, 2008	1:05 p.m.	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	W 13–10	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	Fox	Recap
16	December 21, 2008	4:15 p.m.	at Minnesota Vikings	W 24–17	Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome - Minneapolis, Minnesota	Fox	Recap
17	December 28, 2008	1:05 p.m.	St. Louis Rams	W 31–27	Georgia Dome - Atlanta, Georgia	Fox	Recap

They both finished 11-5, I'm not counting winning teams because it's 3:00 Am and I'm sleepy.

Final Results

Numbers:Tied

Weapons:Matt Ryan by 30 Points

Support: Joe Flacco by 100000000 Points

Season: Tied

So Tell me, who won? Also tell me if you want more once again!

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Flacco

Won the rookie year because, if Im not mistaken, he won a playoff game. Granted he had more help from his defense (lookin at you Brooking) but he did win, and did not have terrible performances in the playoffs. However, in the long run and as far as a potential and all that I wouldn’t give up Ryan for Flacco period. It seems Flacco has hit his ceiling while Ice Man continues to improve. Plus Flacco has that disgusting caterpillar looking thing he calls a mustache.

by jackofallspades on Feb 16, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions

Flacco had an absolutely terrible performance in the playoffs

his rookie year, he was 33 of 75 for 437 yards with 1td to 3int’s for a whooping 50.8 QB rating. Yet his team managed to win 3 games, I he is a perfect example of QB’s getting far too much credit for wins.

by Hutch11 on Feb 16, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions

And when I say 3 wins

I meant 2. Either way in all of Flaccos playoffs wins the only game he actually played well in was against the Cheifs who were just awful in that game.

by Hutch11 on Feb 16, 2012 11:50 PM EST up reply actions

o come on

After the past 4 years of giving up 3rd and miles and 4th and inches you are still blaming Brooking? OK, so he screwed up one play (where were the other 10 players on that play? Where was the pass rush to allow such a long play to develop…o, can only be Brooking’s fault) but what about the rest of the game? To lay the entire game on 1 play is ridiculous because it is a 60 minute game. Not a 15 second game. And getting to the point of 4 years…maybe, just maybe it was our scheme?

Dont cloud the issue with facts!

by muuzilla on Feb 17, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah but it was the turning point(dan patrick vc)

How do you give up 3rd and 26 though? Brooking wasn’t the complete reason why we loss but he had his fair share of plays.

by pierre02 on Feb 17, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I can agree with that

It is just some say that is the only reason we lost. And for any receiver to make a 26 yard play (especially one covered by a LB) means the QB had plenty of time to get to his 3rd or 4th read.

Dont cloud the issue with facts!

by muuzilla on Feb 18, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions

Nope that was pretty much his first read

and it was wide open. He had okay time but nothing special the play just happened very quickly because of a horrendous play by Brooking. That play is all on Brooking but the loss certainly isn’t.

by Hutch11 on Feb 18, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions

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Matt Ryan wasnt terrible in that playoff game… yeah he had 1 pick, but i think he had 2 TDs and if it wasnt for one botched handoff, we might have won… Such is life…

by falcolicmsudawg33 on Feb 16, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions

Ryan was better in his rookie playoff game

Than he was in his last 2.

by pierre02 on Feb 17, 2012 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

OK people...

Just because I forgot to mention that Matt Ryan is the best thing that has ever happened to the United States of America you jump all over me…..

But seriously, thanks for pointing out the Flacco stats. I stand with what I said though, Flacco had the better rookie year while Ryan is better in the long term by far.

by jackofallspades on Feb 17, 2012 1:32 AM EST reply actions

Ryan is better.

Like what has been said above, Ryan continues to improve. Yes , he has failed in playoff games. I try my best to ignore this due to horrid Oline play. I am the first to homer it up and blame it all on scheme and the OC. I want Matt to win. It has a lot to do with for the first time in my 32 years we are actually freaking winning! In Matt I trust, for atleast two more years. If we don’t get to the bowl by then my tune will change. From my phone , sorry if this is jumbled. Never looks the same when I go back on PC.

by Pmall2000 on Feb 17, 2012 1:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions

I see what you did there

Hello NFL teams, are you in need of a SB ring. Is your 9-7 or 10-6 team that barely slipped in to playoffs needing some help, well, beat the Falcons and you are guaranteed a SB berth!

by InMattWeTrust on Feb 17, 2012 8:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I know this article restricts each player to his 2008 performance but, I figured I’d share this:

I bet you didn’t know that Matt Ryan is second all time of all quarterbacks in terms of lowest turnover percentage. Only Aaron Rodgers is better. Flacco ranks 27th.

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_4479_CHFF_Super_Study%3A_Which_QBs_protect_it_best%3F.html

by Pete E. Tong on Feb 17, 2012 10:36 AM EST reply actions

Dude, that was good - keep it up

Do you want to do their sophomore season’s next?

Good writeup

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Feb 17, 2012 7:23 PM EST reply actions

Ryans easily better if you ask me

Flacco is not as accurate, SUCK UNDER PRESSURE and gets sacked way too much. The only time ive seen him hang in the pocket and make the throw was the second half of the pats game. People brag about his performance in that game but it was against the worst d in the league and he didnt take advantage in the first half. He doesn’t make adjustments at three Los

by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Feb 18, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions