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The Need For A Veteran Pass Rusher In 2012

There was a time not very long ago where you could have talked me into rolling with Ray Edwards & The Kids at defensive end. After all, I think there's promising young talent at the position, and guys like Lawrence Sidbury and Cliff Matthews deserve their shots.

At the beginning of the off-season, I happily predicted that El Sid would be the no-brainer starter if John Abraham walked away. But I've thought about it long and hard and come to an unpleasant conclusion: No one on the roster now is likely to solve this team's problem, and if Edwards has another lackluster season as a pass rusher, the Falcons are suddenly in huge trouble.

So the Falcons need a veteran pass rusher, one with the proven ability to get after the quarterback. They can re-sign Abe and try to squeeze one or two more elite years out of him. They could target a free agent like Robert Mathis or Cliff Avril. But it's clear that whoever they get, no matter how heavily they want to rotate in the young players with so much upside, they need an established presence.

It's more of a safeguard than anything else. I truly believe Edwards will improve this year, the combination of Jonathan Babineaux and Corey Peters will offer a little bit more heat and the linebackers will be asked to blitz more under Mike Nolan. All of that should make a difference, and if Sid could keep up last year's pace in more snaps, the Falcons might be fine. But it's been years since the Falcons had a truly fearsome pass rush, and I'm not sure this group as constructed is ready to provide that. The best passing teams in the league will continue to feast on the Falcons without it.

If you sign a guy like Mathis or Avril, you could use them often and still find plenty of room in the rotation with Kroy Biermann (if he's re-signed), Sid and Matthews. I'd be disappointed if those guys didn't get a chance, because both have the talent to be quality rotational ends, at minimum. I'm just not certain that they can approximate Abraham's value, and the line just doesn't intimidate me with that liability, however excellent it will be against the run.

You're welcome to disagree, of course. Do you?

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We definitely need to bring Abe back

Other than that I think Sid will be a good pass rusher, just not sure about him playing against the run. I love Kroy but he hasn’t shown any real improvement, I hope he proves me wrong this preseason. Matthews…I really can’t form an opinion on him at this time. Ray better bring his A game this season, I believe he will.

by FLA_Falcon on Feb 16, 2012 8:26 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

We need to franchise Abe

Bring him back for one more year, he’s got a couple of good ones left at least. Let Grimes walk and resign Lofton to a 4 year 30 million dollar deal. If we could keep grimes too, great, but like people have been saying , BG doesnt really fit Nolan’s defensive scheme. However, if we could get him back on the cheap cuz he loves the ATL, he could be a great nickel back for us.

WELL, THAT FREAKIN' BLOWED!!
2012 MAYBE?
probably not. lol

by ATLsince1972 on Feb 16, 2012 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

Not at the franchise price for a DE

I could see signing him to a reasonable two-year deal, but not the tag.

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by Dave Choate on Feb 16, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He is to old to franchise...

but I deff want him back as he still has two to three good years left in him as I see it.

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by Blood_Talon on Feb 17, 2012 12:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't agree any more

Abe was the only consistent force all year, we can get by with Grimey gone, we could probably even get by with Lofton gone, but if Abe walks we have to get a veteran to fill his shoes. But honestly I would rather keep him here, he’s a leader, and his tattoos are awesome

by grygrvin on Feb 16, 2012 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

I would prefer that we

Sign Avril (he is only 26 and had 11 sacks this year) seeing as how that’s a long term answer. John will only have one more Decent year left why be in this same situation next year? I say go get Cliff resign lofton and Draft or Sign a Corner. (then if we have money left sign Abraham or Mathis so we can have a Giants type of D going)

by falcons101 on Feb 16, 2012 9:28 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions   2 recs

Yea with Detroit he was their most Versatile lineman moving him all over the place

by falcons101 on Feb 16, 2012 11:53 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Another

Guy we Should be Looking at is Osi. yea they just won a Superbowl but that doesn’t change the fact that he wants out if NY. He we be Seeing less of a roll anyway seeing as how JPP is balling and tuck is under contract why wouldn’t he come to us and be the Star of the Dline?? Just thinking

by falcons101 on Feb 16, 2012 12:00 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Wasn't he talking crap about Matty's exploded ankle?

…and then got his face munched by Robo Matt

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by Caleb Rutherford on Feb 16, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah that was Suh and Tulluch

I think but either way if it was our Dline could use that Nastiness and Aggressiveness.

by falcons101 on Feb 16, 2012 10:42 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Mathis would be nice

The Lions have already talked about making Avril one of their highest priorities, so I’d be surprised if they let him get away. Mathis, though, has complained about his contract in Indy in the past, and since they’re pretty much revamping everything up there, he could get away. He’d be a great addition, but still a lot of money.

by Alex Welch on Feb 16, 2012 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly!

It’s going to be interesting how things ultimately pan out in Indy but Robert Mathis could definitely walk into free agency under a number of different scenarios and I’d hope Atlanta picks him up. Let’s hope that contract to Dwight Freeney didn’t give him the impression that he can easily get that much money and then some.

by Pete E. Tong on Feb 16, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

TD won't make a sexy FA signing

I can see us going with Mark Anderson or Jeremy Mincey-both of whom can get after the QB. Avril will cost a fortune to sign. So will Mario. I honestly think our interior pass rush is the bigger issue. QB’s have no fear of stepping up in the pocket and slinging the ball against us.

by leonw92 on Feb 16, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

Im with u on the middle

I hope nolan can get that 355lb nastie NT from the fins to play in the middle I think the interior of our line is just to weak need more push,I’m fine with who ever they keep or let go on the defense as long as nolan agrees to it, he’ll have a plan the guy is like wade phillips on D

by TFalcon on Feb 16, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Assuming we sign another DE, I think we need to use Sid on passing downs instead of Ray-kind of like how the Giants use Osi. We definitely need to do something about the interior pass rush as well. I’m not sure if Babs’ knee was bothering him the whole year but seeing Brees just move a measly 2 inches to his left or right to avoid a DE (in a clean pocket) makes me want to scream.

by leonw92 on Feb 16, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

The Defensive Line

Has always been what I feel is the cornerstone of the defense. If these guys can stop the run and put pressure on the passer, then you will have a great defense with little regard to who is behind them as DB’s and Safefy’s. However, in watching some very good DC’s over the years, I will have to amend by judgement. A good DC will compensate where there is a weakness. He will send a LB, CB or S if the pass rush is weak, gaining pressure by adding additional blitzers. Does that weaken the other areas….yes. But a good DC knows the strengths of his unit as well as the weaknesses and can pull additional help from the strong points to help out the weaker areas. So, I think that Nolan will do what he does best; align the team so that each player will maximize their talent to become a cohesive unit. If Abraham stays, fantastic. If he leaves, Nolan will find another way to exert pressure on the passer.

by Bubba, Lower Forty on Feb 16, 2012 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

The man

I believe in this man named Mike Nolan,I like him alot better than Spags

by TFalcon on Feb 16, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't resign him.

We need to move on to another agressive, younger, pass-rushing DE. We need to re-sign Lofton, sign Avril type of player, and sign a LT (Gaither or McNeill). Our goal should be to make sure that our O-line is right and our front 7 on the Defense is ready on day one of camp. We should still be sitting pretty good in cap space after those three signings. And since we don’t have a 1st round pick we should be fine with signing our draft picks and other FAs.

by Fear Me on Feb 16, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

What about going after someone like Vinny Curry with our first pick, assuming he’s still available?

by Pete E. Tong on Feb 16, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Curry will most likely be long gone

It would be nice if we could land him though.

by leonw92 on Feb 16, 2012 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If we sign Avril we don't need Bierman

What is with this DE by committee thing. We don’t need 5 or 6 DE’s on the roster. Sid, Edwards, Matthews, a FA or a draft pick. Plus the DE position will be losing value as we swtich to a 3-4 base. If you can get Abe cheap then do it. Otherwise let him walk.

by pierre02 on Feb 16, 2012 11:13 AM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

I Would Sign

Either Mathis or Mario Williams, Let Biermann go and have Ray,Sid,Matthews ad our DE along with either mathis or mario. Im hoping Ray has a better year next year and that sidbury emerges as a good pass rusher. I would also be all for trying to sign Laron Landry to replace decoud. But overall our priority list should be LT(mcneil,gaither) RG(nicks,grubbs) after we fill those two positions, then we go help the defense out

by Nedk23 on Feb 16, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

I can pretty much guarentee we won't be able to sign Mario.

That would take WAY too much money to do and we have needs on the O-line as well

If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set

by suicide bunting is a sin on Feb 16, 2012 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah But

Like i said LT and RG need to be top priorities after that do what you want TD

by Nedk23 on Feb 16, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

this draft

is not all that great guys,we are not coming out of it with more than one player who can play
in 2012,I think that TD checked this out and thats one reason we made the trade for JJ,the pick the browns get this yr is 22 at that pick they will be very very lucky to have a five starr player fall thier way more like a 4 starr.A lot of drafts teams in the top of the 2nd are still picking 5 star players

by TFalcon on Feb 16, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know, 10-12 million a year for 6 years might get him here.

Remember how suprised everyone was when the eagles landed NA (corner from the raiders, could’nt spell his name if my life depended on it) last year. His size/speed make him versatile enough to make the transition to a 3-4 in the future. This would be my #1 priority if i was GM. I think we could lose 2 of the 3 (abe, BG, CL) to make it finacially possible.

by SmokeyBell on Feb 16, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

for that money

oopps i would take super mario over grims any time

by TFalcon on Feb 16, 2012 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Crap I forgot to hit the reply button

Sorry Dave

If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set

by suicide bunting is a sin on Feb 16, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

No worries!

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by Dave Choate on Feb 16, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Abe

Color him gone and here is why. The Falcons will value him based on his recent stats on the team. What is lost in that is he was the only pass rushing threat the Falcons have and thus garnered much attention from opposing teams.Other teams with at least one passer rusher already in the fold, will realize that Abe’s stats will greatly increase with some help on the Dline. Thus, he will be worth more to some other teams.

Where that leaves the Falcons is not in a good place just as you say Dave. Let’s say they sign a DE that can actually rush the passer (Mathis would be Edwards II, he gets stats opposite Freeny), he will be in the exact spot Abe is in, the only pass rusher.

Real problem, and to fix it you don’t need one guy, you need two.

by Whopper Dawg on Feb 16, 2012 4:18 PM EST reply actions  

Lot of good discussion here

I think Avril’s a long-shot, but I’d obviously love to have him. The wild card here is Edwards…if he can’t get going in the pass rush next year, it may not really matter who they sign opposite him.

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by Dave Choate on Feb 16, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

We need space eaters, I think Nolan’s scheme will help the pass rush. The focus will be on the oline IMO because 0 points in the playoffs is unacceptable

by dnldbrk on Feb 16, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

plus players love to play for Nolan.

I don’t think he’s as much of an ass as BVG was. Maybe he’ll get more out of the D.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Feb 16, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions  

bvg

how was he an ass just asking I never liked him that much felt like he should have been gone after the greenbay lost since GB didnt have to punt the hole game

by TFalcon on Feb 16, 2012 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

man handled

thats what they did to us on both sides of the line

by TFalcon on Feb 16, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

My Ultimate Dream,

If and only if Abe walks, would be to re-sign Lofton let Grimes go and sign Mario, I think that Mathis is only great when he has help on the other side and i dont think anyone on our d-line except for Abe gets double teamed much. Mario is dominant it took a couple few years but he came into his own the last year or so take away this past season from being injured. You figure Grimes is gonna walk either way, you sure up Lofton and let Abe walk based on age, and get Mario along with the new scheme Nolan is bringin in, who knows what could happen, I know this isnt a fantasy league we’re in, it would cost alot of money to sign him, but i mean if its a possibility or reality you have to try you have to put the best team on the field, I think maybe we can sure up some of the o-line within the orginazation and new scheme too, we have to concentrate on puttin pressure on the qb, look what that did for the Giants, thing about it is tho Abe being from SC loves Atlanta because its close to home, thats why he wanted to come here from the Jets, you may sign him for a smaller deal than most ppl think if he again doesnt want to get to far from home

by c_hass_2 on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions  

When Edwards played last year, he spent more time on his back than a Midtown call girl.

Opposing tackles ABUSED him. Edwards is not an elite pass rusher. Never was. . . never will be.

The real problem is that the interior pass rush SUCKS. If the Falcons had a tackle who could collapse the pocket, the edge rushers would be more effective, as would the DBs.

EVERY YEAR it’s IF Babineaux does this or IF the other tackle, now Peters, can rush a little better, or IFJerry can get some penetration.

Screw IF. The Falcons need a BEAST in the middle. . . then franchise Grimes, let Lofton and DeCoud walk, move Robinson to free safety and if he can’t cut it there, kick his ass to the curb, too. Robinson was below average in coverage when he played in Houston. Why should he be any better in Atlanta? I can hear it now, “But Robinson is a hard-nosed tackler for a corner.” Yeah, and Michael Jenkins was a good blocker for a receiver. How did that work out?

Of course, if money were no object, there’s always Mario Williams.

by DBFalcon on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 AM EST reply actions  

I suspect...

…that Mathis benefitted from playing opposite Freeney. Just a hunch that he’s a solid second-fiddle, but not, umm, “lead fiddle”. lol

by HotLunch4You on Feb 18, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Not interested in signing Avril especially for the price he will command. Seriously, he got a free ride at Detroit due to all the concentration on other top defenseive players on the Lions. He has never experienced a double team nor has a defense been dedicated to stop him. Again, anyone decent athlete put in his position would have rolled out the sacks.

Hey here’s an idea. Let’s try drafting a decent blue chip DE prospects in the earlier rounds. No small school undersized in the 4th. And yes the pain of Jamaal lingers forcing us to pass up Mathews one place ahead with Jerry.

by JCush on Feb 18, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

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