Brian Van Gorder Takes Auburn Defensive Coordinator Job
It's the end of the zone as we know it.
According to the Atlanta Falcons' official Twitter stream, Brian Van Gorder has accepted the Auburn defensive coordinator job and is gone effective immediately. I fully expected the Falcons to take a hard look at their coordinators, but this completely blindsided me.
Whether BVG saw the writing on the wall and took to college or just saw this as an opportunity he couldn't pass up is something that only the team knows, and it may remain that way. What matters is that he's gone, and the Falcons have a hole to fill.
BVG presided over one of the best run defenses in the league in 2011 and generally put a competent D on the field during his four years in Atlanta. Under his tutelage, players like Curtis Lofton, Corey Peters and Sean Weatherspoon grew into special defenders, and I was incredibly impressed with the defense he put together for the Giants, at least for half the game.
Of course, there were frustrations. His soft zone allowed wide receivers to catch the ball unmolested, wrecking the value of more physical players like Dunta Robinson. The team also failed to put together even a borderline great pass rush in the time he was here. I thought his inability to tighten up the zone or call more creative blitz packages was his great failing.
All in all, though, I'm less happy about this than I suspect many of you are. BVG was a good dude, an endless source of entertainment thanks his sideline screaming and crazy mustache and one of the better defensive coordinators the Falcons have had over the last couple of decades. I hope the Falcons replace him with someone who shares his considerable passion and talent for stopping the run, while improving on his weaknesses.
I wish him well, and hope you'll join me in doing so. The hunt for a new coordinator starts today.
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Now they only have to fire MM
I think MS knows what he has to do. Im not saying he pushed BVG into the Auburn job but Im sure he gave Chiz a great incentive to take BVG.
It ain't over Dave
I was just going to write up a long fanpost about what needs to be done, but I see action has been taken. I’m thinking he saw the writing on the wall, because the offical Falcons feed was the first to report it.
One more to go.
"NLDS or bust" - Bobby Cox
We don't have to continue to settle Atlanta. We're better than that.
Thanks for 4 great years coach BVG
He was caught between sending more to improve the rush and leaving the shaky secondary even more shaky or choosing his spots and staying in zone. I think he did a solid job considering the talent he had, but I’m not blind enough to think we can’t improve on the defensive playcalling either. Good luck to you and your family Coach Van Gorder, and thanks for all you’ve done both at UGA and for the Falcons!
by dr3dd1ne on Jan 9, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions 11 recs
Laters, I think you were deffinately the better of the two coordinators...
not sorry to the zones go away though…
Good luck to you and yours BVG…
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I don't know about great, but he was better than his counterpart on offense
BVG’s was the classic bend don’t break defense, which is usually enough to get you into the playoffs (as long as your offense is above average), but not much further. What I want to know is, how long was he planning on leaving? Obviously he didn’t just cobble this together in an afternoon. Was there a conflict b/t him and Mike Smith that caused BVG to start looking for a job at some point earlier this season? I think lots of heads are going to roll this offseason, but there’s only man left that NEEDS to go…
One Down
One to go. Although I started to like BVG we just can’t keep his soft zone with Drew Brees in our division let alone all the other elite QBs the NFC has. Time for Mike Mularkey to kick the Bucket. (not literally)
by falcons101 on Jan 9, 2012 3:06 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I don't know about Spags
He was only DC for two years and had some beasts on Defense on DL. How much of the Giants D was him and how much was the talent he had. I’m going to have to dig into those stats to see about that. He was DB coach for a while though so that might help use our 2ndary personnel better. Still just have a nagging feeling about getting him though. Maybe I’m wrong.
Agreed
Spags or Mike Zimmer would be ideal for me
by falcons101 on Jan 9, 2012 6:04 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Well this was a surprise.
I honestly thought we’d keep BVG. Next year is going to be very interesting.
by LongSufferingFalconsFan on Jan 9, 2012 3:08 PM EST reply actions
Here's to you Gordy
Let the good times roll.

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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 9, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions 12 recs
Not when Michael Turner's in town
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You're right
Defensive GIF of the year. I was too crestfallen to think of the joy of the “Michael Turner MAKES You Run Block” brilliance.
Agreed with Dave.
Turner may throw Weems your way next.
by CubFan90 on Jan 9, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His mouth is so large
Makes lipreading super easy
by TheAreopagite on Jan 9, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
not all it makes easy
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
I didn't know he
could see the mirror all the way from there
He may have had a good run defense
but lack of pass rush and awful 3rd down defense really hurt him.
Yea seriously...who down grades to college when..
Your on a winning nfl team? He was probably advised to take that job. I hope Mularkey is gone by the end of the day. We gotta get a jump on the talented coordinators
by Bigru3 on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
This.
Apparently it was already on the table, therefore The Falcons told him that was in his best interest. If Jax and Miami don’t hire Mularkey, I can see him “stepping down” as well.
"NLDS or bust" - Bobby Cox
We don't have to continue to settle Atlanta. We're better than that.
by DopeFalcons on Jan 9, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not sure what to make of this
You’d think moving to the same position in the college ranks would be a step down – Gene Chizik’s contract is good for a few more years and just won a National Championship, so I don’t see a succession plan thing going on.
I’m inclined to think he saw the writing on the wall, or the working relationship between him and Coach Smith wasn’t ideal. I don’t expect the AJC to find out, but hopefully more to this story will emerge and give us a glimpse into the back office workings that led BVG to Auburn.
Run defense stats scewed?
I know we had good run defenses, but I begin to ask myself is that scewed now in the evolving NFL landscape where Offenses are throwing more than ever before. Is our D Rush rank based more on that or on the fact that teams in our division just slap throw the ball more?
Teams didn't run on us, because they didn't have to
I think Brandon Jacobs showed where our run defense is at. The Saints busted off some good runs against us, too.
I'm indifferent.
Truthfully.
I would not have been upset had he returned, nor am I upset about his departure.
We need to shake things up this off-season, and VanGorder’s departure starts the ball rolling.
GATA!
Plus...
I see this as a good sign.
Why?
It means MM is like gone. I don’t see a reason for an NFL D.C. to take the same position in college, unless he knew he was going to be unemployed soon.
If we were going to let BVG go, then one would think MM would be gone, too.
GATA!
by Jman781 on Jan 9, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Embrace the change
Can’t say anything bad about the man BVG, but his schemes and at times, head scratching playcalls were not going to get any Falcons D too many wins against any elite offenses or hot QB’s. He seemed to me to call a great game for at least one half, then the other team would make adjustments but we would not. I think it had to happen.
Yeah I'mma embrace it
The failings of our OC and DC are this. Not using personnel to their strengths. Dunta…good on press / man to man but LOOOOST in zone. Same with some of our other DBs. OC not making adjustments…stubbornly refusing to let Matt run the game….not incorporating more screens / quick passes when you know your OL sucks.
I wouldn't mind Mel Tucker
As his replacement.
"NLDS or bust" - Bobby Cox
We don't have to continue to settle Atlanta. We're better than that.
True...but I hope they go with Spags
by Bigru3 on Jan 9, 2012 3:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd love Spags or Tucker
Maybe Del Rio as LB coach
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 9, 2012 3:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Del Rio has been tied to the Raiders recently but
I don’t think he would coach under someone that was his DC.
That was just a joke
I don’t think very highly of him at all
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 9, 2012 3:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I actually do
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Dave, if you haven't seen "Hard Knocks" on the Jags, check it out on Hulu
Very little sign of brain activity.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 9, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I know
He’s kind of a meathead. But he’s a meathead who was a great linebackers coach in Baltimore and an excellent DC for one season in Carolina. I don’t need my coaches to be rocket scientists if they’re smart enough to put a winning product on the field.
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Isn't he a man cover blitz kinda guy?
That’s what I would love to see in ATL
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 9, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could be wrong
But I think he is a zone coverage guy as well.
That defense works but you have to get pressure with your front four. With Abe leaving, I’m not sure we can.
by KEScottII on Jan 9, 2012 4:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
If stopping a running attack was all that was necessary...
We should move MM to the defensive side of the ball. He’s aces!
GATA!
by Jman781 on Jan 9, 2012 3:21 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ba-dum-CHA
This guy… this guy is a funny guy.
by kman_722 on Jan 9, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good luck to BVG
Hoping for MM but maybe that comes later this week after his 2 interviews…
That's what I'm thinking
Smitty is being class to let things play out without firing him first. Hoping he’ll get a job offer and move on without having to fire him first and ruin his chances at a HC position, but I don’t think Smitty should lose sleep over that. Mularkey’s egg in the postseason should keep anyone from hiring him anyway.
Yes, I don't see him getting an offer
Those interviews were scheduled before the Giants game. I think later this week they will just fire him.
I don't either
The organization is just being a class act and letting it play out first. I’m sure they’ve already told HIM what the deal is. I’m also sure they’re already looking and grading probable replacements.
Caption Contest
BVG: “I’m out bitches.” /drops mic
Smitty:…………
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
BVG
Our falcon defense has not left town. BVG was running Mike Smith scheme. We will still have the same d as long as Smith is head coach. BVG is a better DC than what he showed with falcons. MS should have left with him!!!!!
I worry about that too but hopefully and I mean hopefully
if we get a good DC, MS should let him run the show. What been there for the past 4 years has not really worked.
Which is why
whoever comes in has to have the stones (and weight) to be able to change Smitty’s mind and tell him when he’s wrong.
Stood next to his daughter on the field at the Panthers game this year.
She will most certainly be missed.
But yeah, this one is a shocker. I always liked BVG.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Pics or it didn't happen.
"NLDS or bust" - Bobby Cox
We don't have to continue to settle Atlanta. We're better than that.
All I could find was her Facebook page.
Her name is Morgan. She’s the one on the right. I don’t want to get in hot water by posting the link, but it is the second result on Google.
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daaaaaaaaaaayum.
That is all.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and his zone coverage must have never seen his daughter
No way it could’ve stayed that soft
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
LOL
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
New DC
Options for new DC hire are as follows (in my oppinion):
1. Steve Spagnuolo
2. Mel Tucker
Offensive Coordinator:
1. Tony Sparano – Sparano is solid, never got a real opportunity in Miami due to a severe lack of playmakers. Plus dude is always wearing sunglasses, thats pretty tight. Plus hes brings attitutude and could help sharpen Matt Ryan up.
2. Todd Haley (Dont get me wrong, I dont like this guy. However with someone solid like Mike Smith at the helm to counter what a deusche he is, I think this could work.
I SWEAR my brain is NOT working today
Yes he’s an offense guy…want them to look at him for OC not DC…..dauuurrgghhhhh
Best of luck, BVG
We hated your 15 yard completions on 3rd and 10, but I can say with confidence that you improved our defense, even if we didn’t always realize it.
Now, go make Auburn’s defense terrible so that when UGA comes to town, they steamroll you.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions
What are the chances we get a guy like Bud Foster?
He won’t be taking over the VT head coaching job anytime while Beamer is in town, and he is worthy of a job upgrade. He has proven time and time again that he can have successful defenses with undersized guys. I know it is a jump to go from college to the pros, but the guy knows his X’s and O’s.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 9, 2012 3:34 PM EST reply actions
Is that realistic? Or wishful thinking?
Just saying what are our realistic options? Has the guy said,he wants to leave?
by Bigru3 on Jan 9, 2012 3:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
would love that move but not sure foster wants to leave, he has been with beamer forever and seems to be the heir apprent when beamer hangs it up
also in fosters system you need really good corner play, which i think grimes could definitely handle and dunta would definitely be better playing man
As both a Falcons and Bama fan
I am very happy that BVG is in Auburn.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Be careful what you wish for
He was pretty damn good at UGA
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by a hooter's baby on Jan 9, 2012 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Meh.
Wasn’t there long enough to know if it was him or just a great ’crootin class. Since UGA had a better defense in ’07 than any BVG put out, I tend to think it was talent.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
You know
as much as we hate MM’s playcalling, he did what he was brought in to do: Make Matt Ryan a good, professional QB and install an offense that caters to the strength of Matty. He’s done that, and his playcalling is now stagnant and useless here. We need fresh blood, someone who will take chances on some of the more exotic plays we have. Or they can bring a totally new offense to the table and name is “WhoopAss” and I’d be cool with that, too.
BVG was brought in for a similar reason: Collaborate with Smitty on making a good, professional 4-3 defense that will be consistent enough to get by and young enough to last a while. BVG has done that, and in doing so, has opened up a coaching opportunity at a big time college, which is where he probably belongs.
Now, we bring in a 4-3 guy who runs exotic blitzes and coverages using the personnel we have (Former Eagles DC Jim Johnson ((I think that was his name)) did this, I believe), and we’re going to get really good, really fast.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 3:43 PM EST reply actions
Exactly.
And if Blank REALLY wants to get bold, can Smitty and throw $10MM a year at Gruden.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I'm just not down with Gruden
Unless he’s matured he’s a jerk to his offensive players and once Tony’s talent started getting old so did Gruden’s W/L record.
Spagnuolo is another 4-3 blitzing man....
had great defenses in NY in 07 and 08. Won the Super Bowl over the 18-0 Pats!
I hate Gruden
If Smitty goes it’s got to be Billick or Dungy although I think Dungy is done forever. I thought Jimmy Johnson would have coached again by now but looks like hes happy where he is.
With all the f&%'ing interviews, no wonder there wasn't preparation!
Sorry. Just had to go there.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!
I was thinking the same
These guys were standing in front of the mirror more than the chalkboard!
BVG might have left because HE decided
enough was enough. Someone must devils advocate.
"Everybody has a plan until they get hit" Iron Mike Tyson.
"Screw 2nd." Lugs Harvey.
"In Grimes we trust, all others get gashed"- Me.
Quotes from Smitty's press conference
Smith :Offensively, we didn’t score any touchdowns and basically that says it. #atlny11
Smith: You’re either getting better or you’re going backwards. There is no neutral. #atlny11
If you think Mularkey is staying around after that, I don’t know what to tell you.
"NLDS or bust" - Bobby Cox
We don't have to continue to settle Atlanta. We're better than that.
Anyone else think BVG might has been Abrahams issue?
Think he might consider staying if the right DC is brought in?
Hmmmmmm….thoughts??
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
What about this
1. Smitty’s not going antwhere.
2. Is Raheem Morris an option for DC candidacy?
I like the idea of Spags, too. Just considering everyone who may be available that is defense minded.
That dude is a douche!!
…let’s give him a shot!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Wait. Who's a douche? Smitty, Rheem, or Spags?
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!
Oh, oops...Raheem Morris!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Raheem Morris was never a DC.
He was a DB coach before he became HC. Rumor is that Raheem Morris might become DB coach for RedSkins.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Please no to Raheem
I just don’t think he has what it takes imo….although I will say that their QB got him fired. He turned the ball over waaaaaay too much to win.
But his mind is more attuned to the defensive side of the ball is it not...
don’t really want him but…who knows…
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Morris is like Mike Singleterry.
Both are not X and O type guys, they talk too much. Motivation can take you only so far. We need some one who is a good X and O guy and can put some creative defense on the field.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, got it...REALLY don't want him now!!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Maybe Dunta and OG can do the man coverage thing now.
The might can be islands that way. DoCoud is too darn fast to not be able to learn it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get hit" Iron Mike Tyson.
"Screw 2nd." Lugs Harvey.
"In Grimes we trust, all others get gashed"- Me.
Sad to see him go.
Overall, BVG did a good job here especially his first two years when he didn’t have anything to work with. As young players matured, the defense gradually improved. I’d hate to think he got run out of town, but that’s how the NFL is. I wish him the best.
by falconfanatic79 on Jan 9, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Get Greg Williams.
Now that would be heck of a steal from Saints.
It's all about Process...
Nope
same problems we have, but no run defense
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
He is exciting with Blitz packages
Didn’t we all fans wanted more blitz packages from BVG.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Del Rio has been linked to NO should Fisher take the Rams job Greg Williams will likely be his DC word on the street
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Leave a SB contender for the Rams??
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Fisher and Williams have history together
and word is Payton and Williams tolerate each other more than they actually “get along.”
Good Luck to BVG.
I doubt if he was ran out of town. It sounds like the decision was already made and announced after the season ended yesterday. He did a good job especially with so many Rookies,2nd and 3rd year players on the defense.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
On a different Subject
Is Peria Jerry a bust?
If so, has your trust in HD been shaken after Peria, Baker and Dunta for example?
Or was TG, Ryan, Turner and Julio make up for some of the 1st round busts?
Give it a year for Peria Jerry.
Dunta is solid corner back, far from bust. He held up on his own when there was no pass rush for most of the season. Baker can be labeled a bust but he was picked late in the first round. But TD drafted a QB, a stud Line backer, a starting safety in one draft in 2008 and another key addition in Michael Turner. His 2009 Draft probably was the least effective draft.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, don't think we should give up on PJ just yet...
then again, people said the same thing about Baker last year… :-/
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Jerry couldn't stay healthy.
In the limited Reps he was not bad,esp the Eagles game where he caused the fumble. He is coming back from a Major injury,I am sure he is on a short leash.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Short Leash=I agree!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Jerry's a bust
He’s oft-injured, and when he’s not injured he’s a backup anyways
Heard this..fell to my knees and thanked Tebow!
What an unexpected pleasure
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 9, 2012 4:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Heard LaCanfora say it on NFL network
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 4:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Best news I've heard all day
Not only is the soft zone no longer on the Falcons…. but UT has a shot!
IMO
the Falcons are gonna give MM a chance to be offered a job somewhere else before firing him. Just the classy thing to do not to fire a OC whom another team potentially hires as their Head Coach hell it might even sabotage his departure…and we do NOT want that.
Question of this day: Who do you want the next DC to be?
by Kushion on Jan 9, 2012 4:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
No College Guys.
Steve Spagnola would be great,Greg Williams wouldn’t be too bad either. Some one who has run a good creative NFL 4-3 Pro defense would probably be an upgrade over BVG.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Del Rio should be good.
Not sold on Mike Zimmer. Del Rio might go to NO and it would be hard for him to be MS assistant. MS was Del Rio’s HC in Jacksonville
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
why not a 3-4?
Agree on no college guys, bu I’d love to see a 3-4 DL or LB coach (if we can’t get a DC or HC) come in.
And before you say we don’t have the players, I think we do. Our DT’s are massive, Spoon has all the skills necessary, imo, as does most of the LB corps.
Falcons D is built to be fast not big.
3-4 means more drafting and rebuilding. We don’t have tackles like BJ Raji or Ngata to anchor the middle. Our LB should be fine and Bierman can be a good OLB in a 3-4.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
We need pass rush anyways
I think we have the LB for it, and I think you agree as well.
There are a number of holes on that DL to fill, so it makes sense that if Atlanta’s going to transition to a 3-4, they begin this offseason.
Agreed
We don’t have one of the most crucial pieces…the NT. That type of human does not grow on trees either.
We can pass rush from the 4-3
But you have to trust your back end to do that…thus we played zone. WE have to either get another DE or Free safety help to turn the blitz loose. Playing more man scheme will fit our personnel better too.
Need the personnel as well
That’s why TD has to target a pass rusher early in the draft with one of our 1st 2 picks.
the saddest thing about that statement...
is we’ve been going after pass rushers every year, it seems.
There’s a lack of pass rushing 4-3 guys, but a surplus of 3-4.
I think we do have the personnel for a 3-4...It can be really successful in ATL
I’m hoping ATL goes after Mangini because he is a wizard with defenses. I thibk we already have most of the pieces for a 3-4:
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Inside LB’s: Lofton and Dent . Mo Pete can be rotated in
Outside LB’s/stand up rushers: Spoon and Nicholas. They can be rotated with Adkins, Kroy, Cliff Matthews, and Sidbury
DE’s: Babs and Edwards with Peters, Walker, and Jerry rotating in. We can also use Kroy and Sidbury in this rotation
NT: This is the only piece we’d need. A NT’s job is to be fat and swallow up runners. Very few of them go high in the draft so we should be able to find one in the 3rd round and we can find his back-up via FA.
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A 3-4 will also play to the strengths of Dunta, Owens, and William Moore. For Dunta and Owens, they will be able to play man and be physical with the WR which is something they do well. With Moore, he’d be able to play closer to the line of scrimmage where his big hitting ability will come in handy against all the great TE’s in our division.
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Also, we have Cam and Freeman in our division and they will be there for a long time. Having all that speed at LB on the field will allow us to contain those mobile QB’s better. We’d need a stud DC who excels with a 3-4 and Mangenius can definitely do that.
Dude really? 3-4? We cant get pressure with 4 guys...
How are we gonna do it with 3?
by Bigru3 on Jan 9, 2012 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
pass rushing OLB
you still rush 4 in a 3-4 D.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
we already send Abraham into pass coverage all the time
so it’s not like Atlanta’s used to only 4 rushers. That and the 3-4 is far, far more dangerous. 3-4 teams tend to blitz more often, so it’s rarely just 3 rushing, and 3-4 also almost always includes one of the OLB’s rushing regularly, so it’s 4 guys, one of which isn’t the same player every down.
Defenses using 3-4 (wiki, so take with a pound of sald):
Steelers
Jets
Texans
49ers
That’s not including the pats and jets, who until recently used 3-4.
This is actually a misnomer.
3-4 teams tend to blitz more often
The opposite is actually true. The strength of the 3-4 look is that you can send extra pressure to a particular side or gap while rushing only four. However, it’s not as strong against the run unless you have some beasts up front.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I didn't mean the rushing one of the OLB's
I meant that it seems the teams that use the 3-4, and have success with it, tend to ruse multiple linebackers or a safety or a corner more often than teams that play 4-3.
OK
well, that’s more of a stunt than a blitz then. Technically, a blitz is sending five or more.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I'll have a little more on each choice later
But I’ll be highlighting three in a post tomorrow morning: JDR, Spagnuolo and Mel Tucker.
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Mangini should be included
I know he’s known as a 3-4 DC, but he’s definitely smart enough to develop an effective 4-3 with the talent on the roster.
Surprised that he was the first to go, but I do think this was a writing on the wall situation.
I wouldn’t assume that Mularkey blew his chance for a head coaching job. If he’s a leading candidate and has a good interview, he can still land it. He’s out of here, regardless.
Good luck BVG. I actually like Auburn, as far as SEC teams go (jackets fan here).
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 9, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions
Surprised he was first to go
not surprised he went.
As has been mentioned many, many times, the Defense had the exact same issues year after year after year. Bits here and there might point to TD, but I refuse to believe that TD made personnel decisions without BVG’s and probably Smitty’s input on defense. At some point the only logical person to blame is BVG
Sign own FA before some one signs them.
Pay big money to Brent Grimes, good money to Curtis Lofton and Abraham. Decoud can be signed for a decent amount and signing KB 71 shouldn’t cost much. Abraham though old is still the best rusher on the team, he might be looking for 3 year deal though.
It's all about Process...
Decoud and Abraham are probably NOT going to be resigned
Grimes probably gets the Franchise tag. They’ll resign Lofton.
Abe is still our best DE.
With out him the Pass rush will be last. I don’t think Falcons have much choice with out a first round pick.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
...unless they go to a 3-4
and target a NT in the draft. Babs and Peters would be studs at the 5 tech.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No First round pick for NT
Hard to get a NT in later rounds and I don’t think Lofton will be a good ILB in 3-4. The biggest problem yesterday was the OL. Fix the OL and give Ryan time to throw the ball.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding?
Very, very few NTs go first round. Not that much skill needed. Just be big, strong, and immovable.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
You play too much Madden
Haloti Ngata – 12th pick
Casey Hampton – 19th pick
B.J. Raji – 9th pick
Vince Wilfork – 21st pick
All first rounders
by PurpleDRANKnotJUICE on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
You just named four over a 10 year period.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oops, sorry. You only named three in an 11 year period.
Ngata plays DE for the Ravens. Some of the most successful 3-4 defenses this year started the following dudes inside:
Texans- Shaun Cody (round 2)
Ravens- Terrence Cody (round 2)
Niners- Isaac Sopoaga (round 4)
Jets- Sione Pouha (round 3)
Cowboys- Jay Ratliff (round 7)
All of these defenses finished in the top half of the league, with the Texans, Ravens, Niners, and Jets all in the top five. By the way, all of the top five defenses run 3-4 schemes. Food for thought in a pass-happy league.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Not going to happen
we don’t have the personnel, depth, or draft picks to do that. Edwards and Sid would not be ideal pass rushing OLBs.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Edwards would have to go.
I’m thinking Sid would be fine standing up.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Our tackles are too short to be prototypical 34 defensive ends
They usually look for guys around 6-5, 6-6 that can set the edge and drive the play outside. Think JJ Watt as a prototypical 34 end.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 9, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Very few 5 tech DEs are that tall.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I disagree about DeCoud
because we don’t have anyone else and not enough draft picks. He won’t break the bank, or receive a long deal, but enough to prove he can be the long term solution.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
What good DCs are available
Spags might be the best, but who knows what will happen in Philly. Maybe we could call him in and not let him leave till he agrees?
Greg Williams, I don’t know about him. He could bring some good info about the Saints, and likes to blitz. We have the guys to create turnovers. But outside of turnovers, his defense is probably mediocre at best. But I’m not really sure of the actual talent level in New Orleans.
I don’t like it, but it might be reasonable.
Jack Del Rio, doubt it. Plus it would probably be the same defense we have now.
It's strange
because with BVG taking a new job and MM job hunting since last year….maybe they already knew long ago. And I wonder if the players knew they putting their best coaching effort out there.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
from the looks of the bench yesterday
I don’t think so.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
Free Agents.
Dave are you going to post something on the Falcons FA of 2012? Who should be signed or let go.
It's all about Process...
Good luck, BVG.....
Like many, was sometimes frustrated by the bend-but-don’t-break approach of the D….but I think that was partly Smitty and partly the shortcomings of the players as well…..never saw a lot of effective halftime adjustments, and yesterday’s 2nd half against the Jints was a prime example……anyway, good luck at Auburn.
That said, we need some new blood in the organization; if Mularkey goes as well, it will be a challenge for TD & Smitty to find and integrate two new coordinators, but I think it’s needed….
As far as OC goes
What is the New Orleans OC name, Greg Camillo i think. He might be the Saints coordinator to steal away. He called some good games when Peyton was injured.
Rather have Philbin from GB
Or Clements for that matter. OC is way more open than DC. Ill gladly take Mel Tucker and Tom Clements to replace BVG and MM.
yes!
Change is good and needed. dont think he maximized the talent on the d. not always bad but not good enough. Peace
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 9, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What are the “holes” that need to be filled. Is our pass rush ineffective or is the soft zone and free releases the problem? Is our oline bad?4000yd qb 1000yd rb almost had 3 receivers go for 1000 yds? Really, is it that bad. 1 guy posted we have 20-30 positions that needed to be addressed, we lose Dahl and we have this result to the season and everyone says blow it up. Prior to 08 it was blowed up, we sucked, 98 was a fluke, Vick was probably the best RB in Falcons history. Are you surprised MR MT RW are rewriting the record books. We’ve never had this much talent. Players are fine coaches are the problem
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 4:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is our O-lline bad?
Yes.
“Vick was probably the best RB in Falcons history.”
Apparently, you’ve never heard of William Andrews or Jamal Anderson…
Or, you know, the RB we have currently.
William Andrews only player to have more than 90 scrim yards in all 16 games.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Have you watched any games the last 4 years
Ryan has 1/2 the time other QBs do to throw. If he had a line like Brees did, he would throw for 5000 yards too.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
I am not sold on Receivers.
Roddy White took a big step back this year dropping passes which were supposed to be game winners. Calvin Johnson,Greg Jennings,Jordy Nelson,Colston grab catches in traffic. I have not seen a falcons receiver catch balls in traffic and run with it.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
JJ started to towards the end of the season
I think he’ll be just like those guys you mentioned. But I agree – definitely a regressive year for Roddy.
Agreed!
Julio has lot of potential. Trade Roddy if we can get a high first round pick(Top 12) and a 3rd round.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
that's a bit much
I’m thinking a second would be enough to pull the trigger.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
May be a first.
I think second might be too low to trade Roddy. Now Turner and Roddy for 1&2 and a defensive stud from other team would be good.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
I know Roddy will be 29 next year...
but it’s not like Roddy’s all of a sudden even outside top 20 WR’s in the league. He’s still top 10 at the very least, even in a down year.
Roddy will be 31 Next year.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
this was considered his age 29 year, next year will be his age 30. His birthday is in November and he will turn 31 then.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Y'all crazy.
Take one of the few position groups that we actually rank in the top 5 at and bust it up to make something else a little better with a rookie? Please.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He is getting Old.
Julio would have had more yards than RW if he had played all the games. I don’t think RW is a true #1. Looking at the WR around the league I guess Falcons might be over estimating the receiver talent.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're nuts.
Roddy will never be one of the Johnsons (as in Andre or Calvin), but he’s a damn good WR… and Julio could be as good as those guys. And receivers don’t get old as early as RBs do- don’t take the same abuse on every play.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He is getting paid Big Money.
Free up the space and get a draft pick, not like he is in top 5 in the league overall. RW doesn’t scare the defenses any more nor can be the game changer he once was.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
He caught more balls than anybody not named Wes Welker.
100 catches for 1,300 yards.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
RW Ranking for 2011
Receptions :100 Rank 2, Wes Welkar : 122 Rank 1
Targetted:176 Rank 1, Wes Wlker : 169 Rank 2.
Yards: 1296 Rank 8; Calvin Johnson : 1681 Rank 1.
Yards/Rec: 13 Rank 122,
Yards/Game:81 Rank 10
TD: 8 Tied for 11th
20 + Yards Play: 13
40+ Yards: 1 Tied for 70 with 70 Other receivers.
First downs:77 Tied for Rank 1.
These numbers sure don’t like a top paid receiver in the game.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well
he is our possession guy. The few big plays we go for are generally thrown to Julio. But Matt struggles like hell with deep throws to anybody.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
RW is a possession guy not top Wide out.
Most of the top wide outs don’t always get the deep balls. The YAC for Calvin Johnson,Larry Fitzgerald,Jordy Nelson have way higher than YAC than RW. Do we need a top WR who can dink and dunk after catch. RW doesn’t have speed for a number wide out. Get another explosive playmaker and win playoff games.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
teams that win playoff games
don’t have a roster full of top WR’s. they have one, at most two explosive players, one of which is probably a rb, and a bunch of possession guys.
RW is at or near the top of every possession category. That sounds like a wr that has to be accounted for on every play by the defense. That’s a weapon
HD could be another explosive guy.
8M in cap space for a Possession WR is high. It would be great if falcons can get TE’s like the Pats to go along with TG.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
8m in cap space
for a WR that’s targeted 10 times a game (more than anyone else in football), and gets more first downs than any wr in football doesn’t seem that high.
It’d be great if the Falcons can get 2 crazy good TE’s, too. But the Pats did that through the draft, and Gronkowski (for instance) is $1.1 million, and half of their production is scheme, while the other half is having an OL that’s at times brilliant combined with one of the best qb’s in football.
So much of the misused players on this team can be explained by poor scheme, poor blocking.
I knew it would be somewhat unpopular
I have nothing against Roddy as a person, but in terms of football business it makes sense.
You can’t drop that many key passes and not expect repercussions. Trading him now makes sense because we can get a good price for him. Plus it would save us a good chunk of cap space for signing more than one FA, which we will have to do not having a first round pick.
With Ryan and Tony G, we can take a WR in the 2nd round and he would develop quickly. Julio had a higher yards per game and more TDs in less games than AJ Green. Aj is a #1 receiver, Julio was our #2, and AJ was projected as being the better receiver out of the two. So it wouldn’t be unreasonable to get the same production out of a 2nd rounder next year. Especially with an improved line.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
JJ had more TD than RW.
I am big RW fan. I have no 84 Jersey but I agree it might be time for him to go some where else.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hope MS and TD take some Tough Decisions if needed.
TD and MS should not make OC and DC a scape goat. Hopefully they can find the problems and evaluate every one and take tough decisions.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Roddy did regress, yes
but Roddy also went from #1 in the league to like, #4 in the league as far as reception percentage. It just happened that some of those drops were in key moments
Key moments, yes...
But 17+ drops (including yesterday)??? That’s ridiculous. He’s also reverted to his “stupid punk” days of shooting off his mouth, getting called for idiotic penalties, and general lackluster effort. I got the feeling this year that he didn’t appreciate the move to get JJ, even though it was intended to help him out. I’d have no problem seeing him go and I have a #84 jersey.
Counting drops isn't the best metric
since some guys are targeted more than others.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
this
That’s why I went with reception percentage.
Roddy White's cap figures
2011 – 6.5 million
2012 – 8 million
Is a guy who drops key passes worth 8 million in cap space. He may bounce back next year, but that is a big gamble to take when you have gapping holes in the line.
I really doubt we would do something like that, but I would support it and wish him well wherever he goes.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Only reason I'd let Roddy go is in a trade
that involves a first rounder this year. Roddy’s still plenty capable, and his best year was after a full offseason with Matty.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed!
First Rounder for RW is probably a good deal . Second round might be too little for Roddy. But Matt Ryan deserves a better #1 WR who can not only catch the ball and do something with it. Dropped Passes and Penalties don’t help the offense.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
That’s the point. Show me the guy you’ll bring in that will be a better player next year.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
JJ as No 1 Will give better production.
Involve HD more in the slot and sign a decent WR in the second round.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 9, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
^^^ This
we don’t need to draft someone to put up Roddy’s numbers. We already have one with a higher ceiling, and one who could match them if utilized properly.
A new WR would come in as a #2, and HD would remain the slot man.
Still think we need a good young TE to compliment Tony. That way if we run 2 TE sets, we can actually pass from them.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
And that friends
Is the definition of a modern, high-scoring NFL offense. A big physical mis-match receiver, two or more mis-match tight-ends, a fast slot guy and running backs that can catch as well as run.
We need linemen in the 2nd round.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Still has a hard time hitting anything deep though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Mixed feelings
Defense did its job most of the year. Tackling was shoddy in our last 2 losses. I think we need to bring more pressure and play more man and use schemes that don’t let elite QBs carve us up.
The defense was good
but wasn’t effective enough. 3rd down where killer for this defense. We just need a solid DC to disguise and actually get pressure on the QB.
Abe wants to stay in Atl
so i think he would be willing to sign a reasonable deal to do so. There just isn’t anybody else out there right now. To draft a DE in the 2nd rd is a not an upgrade over Abe, there aren’t any FA’s out there any better than Abe. So I say resign the guy. Let Kroy walk, bring up Sid as 3rd DE scout the hell out of the 2012 and 2013 drafts for Abe replacement. I like Sid but until he shows it I’m not calling him the heir apparent. I’ve seen what Kroy can do as a starter that’s why I say he can clean out his locker because Sid can do what he does and probably better.
Yeah
I saw Abe deleted his tweet about being a free agent. Not sure we should read too much into that but he might be thinking about sticking around.
by dom on Jan 9, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
might have changed his mind
after seeing BVG leave. He may be more willing to come back (for a reasonable price) if we get some good coordinators.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
What’s up with CMatthews, is he healing? Thought him and quizz were our 2 sleepers from the draft that would become impact
players
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
CMatthews is still too green
But he was a steal. I think he will be a long-term answer in starting next year. Watch out for him.
Forgot about Matthews
Yeah he was a beast in college and I also think a steal in the draft. Time to get him and Sid some more snaps imho. Light a fire under Ray.
He is ok
Not enough burst to really be a dominant pass rusher. I still think Sid would be the best out of the 3(Beer man, Sid, Matthews).
He's got all the physical traits
He’s big, has long arms, good technique and is a very hard worker. His biggest downsides were his footwork and being injured his last year. He was projecting to go between the third and fourth rounds but fell to the seventh due to injuries.
I would like to watch college ball
So I actually know who would have an impact in the pros.
But the whole BCS thing is a joke.
Not too mention the money these colleges make off these guys, and then the NCAA tells them they can’t make any money is hypocritical. College is about getting an education, not marketing or acting as the minor leagues for the NFL.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 9, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Even if he never winds up being more than a reserve, Matthews has a fantastic motor and good all-around skills. The Falcons were lucky to get him that late.
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Can't say that I'm sorry
to see BVG go. I think his inability to adjust during games to what was being thrown at his D was a killer. And yeah, maybe he was just doing as Smitty wanted. Guess we’ll find out when the new DC takes over. I’d love to get Steve Spagnuolo or Mel Tucker.
I hope so.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Two other names I haven't noticed mentioned
Mike Nolan and Al Groh. Both former NFL DC’s though I don’t know much about either other than Nolan ran a 3-4 and was the Raven’s DC in the early 00’s.
Al Groh?
The one running a garbage defense at Georgia Tech? Lifelong fandom be damned, I’d be tempted to find another team if that happens.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Haha, like I said I don't know either
Just trying to think of out of work DC’s with NFL experience.
Groh can't get the big bodies he needs on the D-line
He has recruiting some good players in the secondary (Thomas, Sweeting) and some pretty good linebackers (Attachou (sp), Burnett) with some more guys coming in or yet to play (Hunt-Days, Kallon). No one has looked good on the D-line and that has really hurt the defense overall. But again, Groh runs a 3-4 and Atlanta is not switching defensive schemes.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 9, 2012 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think smitty was in baltimore with Nolan...
I forget smittys role in balt think it was lb coach. And Nolan turned around Denvers D and Miamis D he also put San Frans d that is now a beast…hes an awesome 3-4 coordinator just a bad head coach
by Bigru3 on Jan 9, 2012 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but do you guys think we'll go for a 3-4 coach with our personnel?
Nolan’s intriguing too if Fisher gets that job and they have staff turnover. I don’t know though cause that’s a MAJOR retooling job.
Personally, I didn't think BVG was our biggest problem
so I’m a bit sorry to see him go (unless TD has some terrific hotshot in the wings). Wish Gordy the best, and wish he was taking MM with him.
Van Goober
is not a good dude. Sorry Dave but this is personal. This guy was the head coach at my alma mater Georgia Southern University where my wife was the beat writer for the Statesboro Herald for 4 years after graduation and covered football, baseball, and basketball. Needless to say he was a major dissapointment there while shredding the teams historic traditions (Erk Russel and the triple option that PJ left behind)and lalso eading them to a dismal 2 or 3 when season and then bolting. That is not my beef with him. He was constantly yelling and screaming at my wife for asking the simplest questions about the teams struggles and overall disorganization. She constantly came home very upset by over the top duragatory statements at her. He single handedly led that team down the toilet and then bolted at the first sign of adversity. He is a joke of a coach and I personally have been calling for his head since he was hired. Now this falcons d can finally spread its wings and soar. It hurt me to cheer for such an ass. Forgive me for all the hatred but the guy has been number 1 on my hate list since he ruined my falcons d and was such a douche towards my wife. Lets bring in somebody with some balls and his not afraid to man up!!!!!!
Wow, what an ass.
No wonder he yelled “You effing idiot” at Corey Peters when he jumped offsides. He’s an ass.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Who called him out for that on here again?
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Doesn't suddenly mean Corey Peters should get a pass, btw.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
no, definitely not
but the real issue is why they were in that position to begin with, where the defense needed a stop in the final minutes against an inferior team?
Offense that didn’t do anything until the final quarter, defense that barely slowed down an anemic team.
Regardless
it’s in the past, now. We have much bigger issues at this point.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry you had that experience
That really sucks.
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Al Groh has to compete with big brother UGA for recruits. Think he’s doing pretty good considering
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agree with everyone who says, "The wrong kid died!"
But the good news is that unless they go in-house, we should get a completely fresh set of eyes on both offense and defense.
I would love to get someone who schemed against the Falcons, a promising position coach say, to come in and say, “This is how we planned to beat you. Now, I can show you how to fix it.”
Clearly need to turn a page, though I wish Mularkey was the one going.
by Hawes on Jan 9, 2012 7:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
We resigned 6 players today...all practice squad guys.
The hell with that…gettin rid of MM should be first on the agenda
by Bigru3 on Jan 9, 2012 7:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gonna withhold any kind of recap until tomorrow
strategic post placement is all it is.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 9, 2012 7:34 PM EST reply actions
BVG was an above average DC
Falcons Total Defense Ranking under his tenure:
2008: 24th
2009: 21st
2010: 16th
2011: 12th
Although I know many hated his soft zone, but looking at the bigger picture he has helped our defense improve tremendously. Sure we were terrible in 3rd down situations, and had a middling pass rush, but I believe he receives too much blame for those failures.
With Grimey our only good-elite corner and Abe our only good pass-rusher he had 2 options:
Blitz with linebackers/safeties/corners to generate pressure, however leaving our corners alone in coverage
OR: drop the safeties and linebackers back in coverage to prevent teams from taking advantage of our shabby DB’s and generate almost no pressure with a front 4 with only one good pass-rusher.
Seems to me he was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Whatever you thought of him, you can’t deny that he has been a solid DC that has improved our defense.
Grimes was our only elite CB because of BVG's zones
Grimes is a cover corner. Dunta is a bump and run corner who had to change his whole style because of the soft zones of BVG.
Yup.
Exactly. Dunta’s perceived shortcomings were more due to the defensives schemes/playcalling than him. We signed a guy who did great at bump and run coverage and rolled out soft zones most of the time, then wonder why our pass D gets shredded? Thanks for the years BVG, but good riddence – bring on Spags!!!
even with Grimes
he’s even better at bump/run
Told myself I was done with Football until the draft.
But honestly, I liked BVG. When it comes down to it, who do we really have on the defense. Just Abe. Grimes, Lofton, Sean Weatherspoon. and I guess William Moore are the only solid/ somewhat playmakers guys we’ve got. When you look at it, hes done well with what we’ve got. No pass rush and an average secondary. I mean he’s show he can stop the run. Don’t act like we have Pittsburgh talent.
He has coached some great games. GB and NO each scored only 25 and 23 (the first time) on our D. As long as the O is even slightly in the game, we could hold teams.
I don’t think he was pushed out at all, I think he just left us. I think BVG said “To hell with this. Don’t clump me this guy (MM). I can always coach somewhere else.” Why would he stay around, not knowing if he’ll get fired just because the fans say so?
Now the Offense is the exact opposite. Please get rid of MM or I will have trouble following this team next year. But, I am hopeful that a single new OC could absolutely change this team to a top 5 scoring team, which would then make the Def look much better.
yeah true true
I guess the front 7 is solid, at least against the run. But I still feel like there’s no one to fear on the Def.
I think you can give Smith some of that credit
From what I understand, earlier in the season when the team was regularly getting scorched, Smitty stepped in and started calling some of the defense himself. He actually made some harsh comments about how they were playing defense after the 3rd loss and how the coaches had to make changes to be successful. That’s when they started playing better overall.
On that same note, I think you can credit Smitty with some of the crap offensive play calling – especially the debacle of rushing Matt twice on Sunday for fourth down.
Our D is solid.
Abe, Peters, Babs, Lofton, ‘Spoon, Nicholas, Grimes, Dunta, C-4 are all quality starters. I think Sanders did a solid job when he played (better than DeCoud), Hayden is solid (when healthy), and I haven’t given up on Edwards or Jerry – plenty of upside. Dunta gets a lot of crap, but you can’t blame him when the soft-zone’s don’t suit a man-on-man DB. BVG did better than Mike Fuckin Mularkey (his official name from now on as far as I’m concerned), but neither made the most of what they had. Put it this way: just for a moment, take our roster on both sides of the ball, and imagine Wade Phillips on D and Sean Payton on O, and what would the difference be? If not a Super Bowl, we’d sure as hell get at least a playoff victory or two and definitely wouldn’t get shut the fuck out….still sickened….
by HotLunch4You on Jan 9, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wade Phillips runs a 3-4
Which we currently aren’t built for, that would require rebuilding personal. We never really had much success with his 3-4 when he was in Atlanta way back in the Reeves era.
I don’t think our O or D is as solid as you believe.
Jerry is a walking injury report and Moore isn’t too far behind (as talented as he may be). Edwards was pretty good on a superb Defense which doesn’t bode well on an average defense.
Our OLine got their butt kicked most of the season. Turner doesn’t have the explosion you see in most big backs, even Snelling shows more explosion. I really don’t see what Turner does that Snelling can’t do as well or better. I’d love to see the Falcons test Turners trade value but I doubt they do. The rest can be blamed on Mularky’s conservative, timid, predictable and bland playcalling. IF he’s not gone by end of week, I’m worried.
We are certainly capable of better play than what we came out with Sunday and maybe with new coordinators and if we can bring back our best FA’s (Lofton, Grimes) we might be OK. But unfortunately the amount of picks we gave away to get Julio will hurt us. TD was blind to think JJ was gonna get us over the hump.
by Falcons1133 on Jan 10, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Abe's replacement
Isnt Mario Williams a UFA this year? Seems like Houston as a lot of depth and his replacement Connor Barwin lit it up (11.5 sacks). I wonder if he could be in play!
not sure
before he tore his pec, he was putting up good #’s like normal
Dumervil also.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I wish BVG well but...
all hail the death of the soft zone in Atlanta.
by PortlandFalcon on Jan 9, 2012 8:38 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Good Luck to BVG....
now let’s go out and get Spagnuolo and turn our defense into a blitzing and sacking machine like he had in New York! Remember those 18-0 Pats? That was Spags D that put it on ’em in the Super Bowl!
If we can just get SOMEBODY to bite on Mularkey,…..
I wish him well...
…but glad to see him and his soft zone’s go. Now, can we officially begin lusting after Steve Spagnuolo? He’s at the top of my list for sure.
I also wish Brian Vag Engorger well, as well...
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Getting rid of Roddy would defeat the purpose of our WHOLE last draft...
One of the biggest reasons we drafted JJ was to take the doubles off of RW. If we trade RW, with no guarantees of resigning HD, we’d be in the exact same situation as we were before the last draft…albeit with way less draft picks.
Tydreke Powell and Josh Chapman(whose playing right now for BAMA)both projected to be second round talent at NT, Powell is at UNC
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Something to talk about… Kirby Smart interviews for SMU job 12/17/11 in the ATL only to withdraw his name later! Might be something maybe not. Any problem with the hire seeing as how BAMAs def is the closest thing to an NFL defense
by dnldbrk on Jan 9, 2012 11:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Spoke to someone who knows BVG
He wants to be a head coach. Pros, college… doesn’t matter. He made the decision a month ago that being Atlanta’s DC was not going to get him that job in the NFL, but that being an SEC DC might.
What sticks in my craw is that he thought Atlanta making the Conference championship game might put him on the HC list, but he decided a month ago that wasn’t going to be in the cards.
Kind of points to his state of mind, but...
Atlanta’s “D” has been playing pretty good minus the pass rush as times and the sucky zones!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
Good Riddance!
BVG’s leaving was long overdue!
Great Picture.
Not completely surprised, but considering the list of priorites, I wouldn’t have thought that to be first move… Convenient, maybe? Out of respect, he was the best DC since Wade.
If we were to sign Gruden for OC then who would take over his job of making ambiguously gay comments on MNF?
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 10, 2012 9:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Charles Barkley?
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.

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