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The Big Question: How Will The Falcons Stymie The Giant Pass Rush?

EAST RUTHERFORD NJ - NOVEMBER 28: Jason Pierre-Paul #90 of the New York Giants celebrates after David Garrard #9 of the Jacksonville Jaguars was sacked at New Meadowlands Stadium on November 28 2010 in East Rutherford New Jersey.  (Photo by Chris McGrath/Getty Images)

There isn't a bigger question going into this game.

Let me put it this way: The Falcons have an above average passing offense. They have a ground game at least capable of making some noise. Their defense is capable of holding a ground game in check and slowing a passing game. They have quality special teams, when they remember how to tackle.

On the other side of things, the Giants have a weak ground game and a very strong passing offense. You could make a reasonable argument that stopping their passing game should be priority number one for the Falcons, and on the defensive side of the ball, I'd agree. Their special teams are fine. Their defense has its struggles, but with one caveat.

That pass rush.

Star-divide

The Giants are tied for third in the NFL with 48 sacks. They have, arguably, one of the best three defensive lines in football today. They have the unstoppable Jason Pierre-Paul, who has 16.5 sacks and simply cannot be handled by most tackles in the league today.

If you ask me, this is the thing that ought to be keeping Mike Mularkey and Matt Ryan up at night. If the Giants can run roughshod over the Falcons' blockers, they'll have little trouble bringing Ryan to the turf or forcing him to make bad throws. That will lead to turnovers, weaken the ground game and force three and outs, which plays right into the Giants' offensive strength. But we covered that ground yesterday.

The Falcons have to slow down JPP, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and maybe Michael Strahan, if he comes out of retirement. The reason this is such a scary matchup is because...well, what can you possibly do at this point? You sink or swim with the offensive line you have. Mike Cox and Reggie Kelly can chip in and block a little, and so can Michael Turner and even Tony Gonzalez if you really want to get crazy. None of those guys are going to put much of a dent in that big blue wave washing over the line, though, so it's up to Will Svitek through Tyson Clabo to get it done.

This is the rare question I don't have a semi-compelling answer for. I think the Falcons will be able to limit the damage, but what will matter in the end is what happens on those plays where the Giants get into the backfield and lay the wood on Ryan. If the Falcons dust themselves off and keep moving on offense—and if Ryan's not down three or four or five times—they can hang in there. If those hits cause turnovers or stall big drives, they may very well be in trouble.

It is worth remembering that the Falcons pumped the brakes on the Vikings pass rush, and by sack total alone, that's the best one in the NFL.

So that's the big question. What's your answer?

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No huddle

Should keep them from subbing and wear them down

East Side Mathemagician

by 831salasfan on Jan 5, 2012 12:09 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

no huddle is a good plan against us, no doubt

I’d say max protect, send your two stud WRs out and if you can hold the wall up long enough, one of them should be able to get free.

I don’t think you run this type of O much, but quick drops, slants, screens, hooks, etc. work too.

by TNYFBG on Jan 5, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

we do a lot of max protect

because otherwise Matt Ryan would have more than one broken bone by now. Particularly coming of the LT

by falconnuke on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We should run Turner up the middle on first and second downs consistently

We should establish the running game in the most predictable way possible to make the Giants honor 1 yard gains. THIS WILL STYMIE THE RUSH!!!

by The DW on Jan 5, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow, your starting to sound like me...lol

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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders

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by Blood_Talon on Jan 5, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

disagree

you want to run off Tackle for the most part, get guys moving on the line and get to our 2nd level. The DTs are good against the run, the LBs suck at filling gaps, you want to use more shifts and misdirections. I’m actually more scared of your little back because if he has good vision to cut back, he could wreck us, whereas I see Turner as more of a pound the pile guy, not that he’s not really good, I just think his style plays more to our strengths

by TNYFBG on Jan 5, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry - should have clarified

For the folks who normally frequent these boards, they’d know that i was kidding. It’s a point of pain for Falcons fans that our OC consistently runs Turner up the middle on first and second downs for 1 yard gains, even when it is proving to be completely ineffective.

by The DW on Jan 5, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

what?

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions  

ok,

how do you do the sarcasm font?

by drmondo667 on Jan 5, 2012 6:24 PM EST up reply actions  

@blabla@

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 5, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

glad we got that squared away

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.

by Troy O on Jan 5, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No this was quote.

Usually i put a sentence between two question marks and it works but have had no success lately. Let us test again:

?test?

by BB1156 on Jan 5, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

This just in!!!

Giants fans don’t understand sarcasm.

by athfalcon on Jan 5, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Now, now...

be nice…they just don’t know our sarcasm towards our own players. I’m sure they do it too…lol

"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders

"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster

by Blood_Talon on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

we do

we use the sarcasm font lol

by The Blood of Eli on Jan 5, 2012 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

no, it surely doesn't

by KMarch on Jan 5, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This is Pat Hanlon in the locker room after a loss. lol

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No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 7, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

POOP

Ranked Top Ten QB.
Ranked Top 5 RB.
Two Ranked Top 15 WR.
Ranked Top 10 TE.
Ranked Top 15 Defense.
Ranked 32 in Superbowl Vict

by InMattWeTrust on Jan 6, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

please excuse me. I lack the mental might to comprehend the idea that extensive 1 yard rushes might not really stymie a pass rush. Forgive me for trying to make a pertinent point about rushing strategy. Ay neds ta git baak 2 mai edamacashun know

by TNYFBG on Jan 5, 2012 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

the joke about the "patented MM drive"

is that, if you look at a number of Falcons possessions over the year, it seems that they consist of “run turner up the middle, run turner up the middle, throw to tg or RW, punt on 4th down”.

Really it’s one of those things that, unless you follow the Falcons like they’re your #1 team, you wouldn’t know. So, "athfalcon"’s bad

by falconnuke on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right about that.

I used to understand it, but fell on my head, and after that, I take everything at face value. Go Falcons.

by planetguy on Jan 6, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Makes sense

Both Eli and Matt’s biggest strengths are their minds. Neither guy has a cannon arm nor elite scrambling abilities – but both are at the top of the list of QBs that can read and dissect defenses if given the chance.

I don’t have real numbers, but earlier in the season, Matt’s QB rating out of the huddle was something around 80 – an average number. However, out of the no-huddle “Texas” offense, it was over 30 points higher – something like 110. Even our running game does better out of our no-huddle.

by The DW on Jan 5, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Eli has great arm strength, better than Peyton, by Peyton's account

I don’t watch enough Falcons to know about Ryan’s arm strength

I’m not sure I’d want to go no huddle to early with a younger QB. It can amp you up and then you aren’t playing your game. Plus it can wear out your own OL.

It’s already a wrap… might as well not show up tomorrow.

Football - It's Beyond an Addiction, It's a Way of Life.
by Eagladelphia on Sep 24, 2011 11:12 PM EDT reply actions

SEPT 25 - Giants 29 - Eagles 16

by trueblue63 on Jan 6, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Arm strength

I’m sure Eli’s strength isn’t an issue, just as Ryan’s is not. Compared to guys like Rodgers and Cutler – who can seemingly sling it for miles – it’s just not the same. No disrespect intended, and Eli has certainly proved that having a cannon is not necessary to win the big one.

As for the Atlanta No-huddle, it’s not your typical no-huddle. Ryan literally has access to the entire playbook while in the “Texas” offense – it’s not a trimmed down playbook like most QBs run. Also, it’s not a hurry-up offense, as Atlanta will rush to the line, but take their time in running it. Ryan will often still snap the ball with less than 3 seconds on the clock.

That said, the staff likes to mix up the usage of the Texas offense with the huddle – if for no other reason than to throw defensive timing off. In fact, you’ll see them switch between the two within the same drives at times.

by The DW on Jan 6, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Excellent points...and also very true.

now we just need an unpredictable OC!!

"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders

"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster

by Blood_Talon on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing...

Wears down JPP. Dude has an unstoppable motor. Not saying I disagree with you, but he either has too much heart or is too stupid to feel fatigue. I’ll go with too much heart.

by KevinC70 on Jan 5, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Run the ball on the Giants

Giants have had their fair share of problems stopping the run, if you guys can run succesfully on Sunday run it down the Giants throats and play action off the run. If Ryan starts dropping back trying to throw the ball all over the yard he is playing right into the Giants hands.

by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

Shld c heavy doses of turner & quick slant routes then the play action over the top..running turner up the gut in this game is a good ideal bc that’s a weakness 4 them.I think this game will become a shootout tho bc I fear our dline won’t b able2 get2 eli.that plays into there hands but our rb core will b the key2 this game

Been a falcons fan since the big starter jackets was in style

by turnj35 on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

smart runs

not MM’s usual, predictable up the middle on 1st and 2nd down runs…

by drmondo667 on Jan 5, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup that should do it for them

But, I said it prior to the last Dallas game and it seemed that Perry listened to me. If the Giants stop the run and use their DEFENSIVE TACKLES to get pressure up the middle then they can be successful.

The Giants need to make the Falcons one dimensional.

If they don’t stop the run and let them get into 2nd and short or 3rd and short situations then they are going to get lit up.

"The saddest thing in life is wasted talent"

by Larry Soprano on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

MR needs to be more aware in the pocket...

and as mentioned, the No-Huddle is always there and he excels at it!!

"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders

"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster

by Blood_Talon on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Come out no huddle

Get those DEs tired and for God sake throw a screen. Mix it up give quizz and snelling equal opportunities.

by pierre02 on Jan 5, 2012 12:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

How about this for a caption

Mularkey: Do you think the Jags will hire me as their new head coach?

Ryan:

by The DW on Jan 5, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I will never, ever, ever, let a gameday thread go by without posting this.

Well done.

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by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 6, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions  

First Down play will be key.

What ever play the falcons run on first down, they should get at least 4 or 5 yards. Playing on 2 and long or 3rd and long against Giants pass rush is going to be tough. Turner has been horrible on First down plays this year, if Turner can’t get it done throw quick slants or use Snelling and Quizz on First downs. No Huddle did not work against the Houston because of the pass rush, I hope falcons can get the run game going.

It's all about Process...

by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 5, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

Commit to the run

and run no huddle unpredictably

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Jan 5, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions  

the no huddle is our kryptonite

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
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by wilddre22 on Jan 5, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If I may reverse the convo to our pass rush

Check out this doozie:

no DE dropped into coverage a higher % of time than John Abraham (15.8% of passing plays)

Seems like a tremendous waste. I understand we want to keep him rested, but put Sid or Kroy in there to spell him instead of dropping off a lethal pass-rusher.

by KMarch on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

That simple, single sentence there is why BVG has to go

He’s our only consistent pass rusher and he drops into coverage that much? Just so stupid.

by aces666high on Jan 5, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This and the fact that we don't blitz with out stud LBs as much as we should

I know BVG likes to pick his spots to blitz but it looks like we only try to get pressure with more than 4 maybe 2 – 3 times a game. He’ll do it once with a DB and once with an LB. If your 4 ain’t cutting it send 5 for pete sake.

by dr3dd1ne on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

what about when they only rush 3!!!!

That drives me nuts. it doesnt do anything. might as well drop 11!!!

Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.

by ATLsince1972 on Jan 5, 2012 7:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

DON'T SAY THAT

I can see BVG scribbling in crayon right now :

“try dropping 11 into coverage”

by The DW on Jan 5, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

That rush 3 drives us nuts too

and we have a stable full of pass rushers

by BB1156 on Jan 5, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not going to argue that point...

why in the hell would ANYONE EVER drop J. Abraham into coverage…just plain stupid!!

"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders

"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster

by Blood_Talon on Jan 5, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention dropping Peters into Coverage

It was the most nonsensical thing I ever seen dropping a 300+ DT off the line. Of course he wasn’t guarding anyone for 10 yards because hes too slow! He was doing the BVG zone cover your shadow dance instead of trying to eat the QB. Dropping Abe is stupid enough but atleast he has some speed.

by Falcons1133 on Jan 5, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

But Peters has actually been productive in coverage. He can sniff out a screen pretty well and has a ton of PDs (for a DT) and an INT this year. Abe just has a couple of PDs to show for all those drops, really nothing more than he could have gotten while rushing.

by KMarch on Jan 5, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Falcons will spank-ie the giant

That’ll stymie the pass rush. We’ll feast on buckwheat, alfalph, and farina and butch-up on them (making them into little darlas).

I’m sorry for that.

by BlueFender on Jan 5, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Wemarkable

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 7, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Do they call you Chubsy Ubsy?

"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson

No more score predictions...

by tommy d. on Jan 7, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Douglas, Quizz, and Snelling. We have GOT to run plays that get those guys in position to allow Ryan to make quick throws, exposing NY’s poor LB play and making the o-line’s job alot easier.

by throw it down the fugging field matt on Jan 5, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

And tg88

He wants a playoff win badly. I predict a huge game for him.

East Side Mathemagician

by 831salasfan on Jan 5, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Walkin' down the street with some chicken and a 40

Nothing to do with anything but the song has been stuck in my head today. If it’s now stuck in yours, you’re welcome.

by FLA_Falcon on Jan 5, 2012 4:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Run game. Run game. RUN GAME.

If we can get a good push up front and get Turner beyond the line of scrimmage before he gets hit, we have a terrific chance this weekend.

by orion12 on Jan 5, 2012 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

Screen pass, no wait,

bootleg Ryan and use his athleticism, no, no. Go strictly shotgun with quick strikes to our speedy backs and…

Ok, I’m at a loss.

On the serious side of things, our boy Matt is good against pressure, It would just be nice to keep him healthy for the rest of the postseason, wher hopefully we can advance. The no huddle is our obvious answer. The only tweak needed is more fast snaps at the line, rather than the usual, read-then-call the play, style of offense we usualy see. Just enough to keep the defense honest in thier commitment to the rush, so thay can be read accurately.

by RamblininAlb on Jan 5, 2012 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, he's good against pressure

But there’s a difference between pressure and “Getting the living hell beat out of you 1.5 seconds after the snap”.

We need to consistently stop the rush or Ryan may be a one-legged mute with twitches when the game is over.

by The DW on Jan 5, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Absolutey. Also, it’s been said a bunch of times already, but I really think whichever team successfully runs the ball will win this game. For once, I don’t mind if we get all conservativo for the sake of this matchup. Another reason I actually think inclement weather wouldn’t be such a bad thing, although the pundits are making a huge deal of our “dome” team going up North.

If Ryan throws 45 times and Turner gets 15-16 carries, we’ll be in trouble.

Fear does not exist in this dojo, does it? NO, SENSEI! Pain does not exist in this dojo, does it? NO, SENSEI! Defeat does not exist in this dojo, does it? NO SENSEI! - John Kreese, Kobra Kai

by DonnyBrasco on Jan 5, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

well we weill stop JPP and Osi

by leaving Clabo and Svitek on an island alone. Maybe let HD chip in to help we will run 1 screen with Hawley and Clabo staring at the ball in the air while Quizz is getting tackled. also 3 run up the gut on a consistent basis

by Erihury on Jan 5, 2012 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

i'm just hope we don't see this...

Ranked Top Ten QB.
Ranked Top 5 RB.
Two Ranked Top 15 WR.
Ranked Top 10 TE.
Ranked Top 15 Defense.
Ranked 32 in Superbowl Vict

by InMattWeTrust on Jan 5, 2012 8:49 PM EST reply actions  

and some more of this

Ranked Top Ten QB.
Ranked Top 5 RB.
Two Ranked Top 15 WR.
Ranked Top 10 TE.
Ranked Top 15 Defense.
Ranked 32 in Superbowl Vict

by InMattWeTrust on Jan 5, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Never get tired of this

Especially watching it in Slow-mo. Grimey defies gravity

"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama

by BravesDawg16 on Jan 5, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

Maybe Grimes is the small ninja of the forest.

What’s the over-under on targets to Douglas… 3?

by Mnemonic on Jan 6, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Best bit of that

aside from the pick, is the Saints cheerleader top left just going “aaaaaw”

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by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 6, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

here's a tip

watch the last 2 games we played the Saints, and do what they did.

They scored about a half a billion points.

nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 5, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

Ummm...they scored half a billion against everyone

Sean Payton is the NFL equivalent of Steve Spurrier. If he can reach a triple digit score, he’ll do it.

by The DW on Jan 6, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope hope somebody shoots the brees this weekend.

Not literally shoot him but put an end to his season, not his career just his season.

"Everybody has a plan until they get hit" Iron Mike Tyson.
"Screw 2nd." Lugs Harvey.
"In Grimes we trust, all others get gashed"- Me.

by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 7, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Turner has to be able to pick up yards on ground.

Its cliched, but the run is the only way to stop the Giants pass rushers. And its not just Tuck, Pierre-Paul, Umenyora… those are the stars, but theres Kiwinuka, Canty, Joseph, Bernard, Tollefson (who has 5 sacks).. the Giants come at you in waves of pass rushers. Turner has to be able to pick up 4 yards a pop, maybe break a couple 1—20 yarders, to bring LBs and Safeties closer to line, so White and Jones can get over the coverage deep. Because if The Falcons are forced to throw alot, the Giants are going to Hurt Matt.

by Kimbrkitty on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions  

Great observation,

It appears Atlanta needs to run the ball properly and contain the Giants’ passing attack.

by Green Bull on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Quick slants, outs, screens and draws

Ooops, I forgot, those are not in our playbook. Damn.

by randomaxe on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 PM EST reply actions  

Which is BS Look at JJs college play

Crossing routes broke for distance. Over and over. Tell them its coming and do it anyway type plays.

"Everybody has a plan until they get hit" Iron Mike Tyson.
"Screw 2nd." Lugs Harvey.
"In Grimes we trust, all others get gashed"- Me.

by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 7, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

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