Dominique Franks Could Start In 2012
Prediction time? Prediction time.
After reading Daniel Cox's latest column on the mothership and ruminating on the cornerback depth chart, I'm ready to call Dominique Franks as a starter in 2012.
Franks' chief hurdle—assuming that Brent Grimes does not return to Atlanta, because if he does it would be a high hurdle indeed—would be Chris Owens. Owens has performed pretty well playing outside in his Falcons career and has been less effective out of the nickel, but I think a more aggressive scheme will play to both of their strengths. It's likely the two will rotate snaps outside, with a slightly larger percentage of them going to Franks.
Why, exactly? Because even though he was selected later in the draft, I think Franks has the higher upside out of the two. He's a bigger, more physical guy who matches up better against some of the rangy wide receivers in the NFL today, and his instincts are excellent. As Cox noted, Franks was defensing passes and making picks like a machine at the end of the season, and the progress he has made is apparent. The next step for him, really, is to take better angles to the ball carrier and not get turned around.
Ideally, Franks would matchup with bigger, more physical wide receivers out wide and get a chance to test his ballhawking skills against them. I figured he'd be a starter by 2012 or 2013, and I think he's probably ready to take on that role now. Mike Nolan's aggressive schemes should help him take another big step forward this year. Owens' speed should make him an asset anywhere on the field, as well, so Nolan likely won't be afraid to plug him in the nickel in something more closely resembling man defense.
I'm excited about both players, frankly. Do you think Franks will start?
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We'd be in good hands with Franks
He played exceptionally well this year and could be an absolute stud in 2012. I like Grimes but Franks’ ceiling is very high and he has all the skills necessary to be a top CB in this league.
I could see a CB squad
with Robinson, Franks, Owens, and Hayden. If Walls is ready, then replace his name with Hayden.
Franks and Owens
Both will look even better if Nolan manages to create a front seven that can consistently generate a pass rush. I think it will happen, and I think guys like Franks and Owens will be infinitely better for it.
I can also see Franks being used in blitzing schemes. His physical stature and speed makes him a very good option for blitzing.
I was doing a little bit of research
And I was shocked at the results of Brent Grimes pro day. If you look here, Brent Grimes doesn’t look athletic at all. I might be in the minority here, but Brent Grimes might have been playing beyond his means, and in the next few years, he might have some major regression. I think we move on with the young guys we have. Plus, I think Owens is faster than Franks, so having both on the field at the same time with Dunta in the nickel package should be a great thing.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 26, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Be careful of reading too much into the combine...
Remember Chris Houston and his out of control 40 time and bench press? Didn’t translate into an elite corner on the field. Grimes IS an elite cover corner, make no mistake about that. But because of his size, he’s not as effective in the run game or defending screens, although he is adequate. Trouble is, our problems on the line make it so the $5-6 million we’d have to spend on him would be better served to address our line issues on both sides of the ball. We got dominated on both lines of scrimmage against all the playoff teams we’ve faced the last two years.
My issue with our secondary is that, aside from the oft-injured Hayden, we have no good nickel corners. Owens and Franks both seemed to thrive as the No. 2 corner, but have showed significant weakness as nickelbacks.
Right so you're saying with or without Grimes
we’re in the same boat; we are still without a nickle corner. Don’t get me wrong, I like Grimes but the two teams in the Superbowl do not have strong secondaries what so ever which further proves that we need to probably analyze the talent on the D line, determine whether it fits the scheme we’ll run, and then get the pieces on the D line we need.
I hope the past couple of years have been scheme related and not talent related so that we can retain Grimes
Owens as we know is very fast
and might be more suitable for blitzing…would you think?
by brotherbrown on Jan 26, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
I think Darrin Walls looked pretty darn good...
…in his limited snaps this year. I believe he has plenty of upside also.
by FalconsFansincePrimetime on Jan 26, 2012 8:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah, agreed...
if we can get more pressure on opposing QB’s then I like this backfield minus OG. Don’t want to see him go but this is one area where we do have allot of depth and money is needed to fill more pressing needs on the DL and OL quite frankly.
If we can land Nicks and get a solid DE to compliment RE (Abe or someone else if he walks) then that is where our money needs to be spent, upgrading these two areas and resigning Lofton and any other FA’s the FO thinks we need to move forward.
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I agree.
I prefer to put the money in places of greatest need. To me that means
1) solidifying the defensive front 7 by signing Lofton, signing a starting FA DE (Avril), and
2) signing a FA offensive lineman for either OG or LT
3) picking the best talent available during the draft.
Avril
I’d love to see him in ATL but isn’t there too much bad blood between him and our players? Some of our guys said they lost respect for him after “hearing” him and Suh taunt Matt when he got injured briefly in our game against them.
Agreed!
Not sure what Mike Nolan wants to do. Nolan said he prefers having 5 starting DB and 10 Guys having 4 sacks not 4 guys having 10 sacks. This might mean Abe is gone and Falcons might spend more money on Defensive Backfield. May be I am reading too much between the lines.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I believe that Suh said something but I don't know if I believe Avril said anything.
I give Avril the benefit of the doubt considerign that I never heard anything negative about him, unlike Suh.
All is forgiven
When a player can help you win.
Right.
And I think he’s a more reasonable option than holding on to Abe hoping he didn’t lose a step or going after an expensive free agent like Mario Williams. Of course his price may balloon a little after having a good season.
I agree with...
I love the “Avril” idea but I think Nolan is probably about done with his keeper/wish list for TD. I am sure he has studied enough film at this point to see what he needs and where he needs it!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 26, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Brent Grimes
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by SI FOOTBALL CAMPS on Jan 26, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions
start him
Yes, Franks needs to start in place of overpriced Grimes. I would like to see Walls as a nickel. Hayden is a good reserve when healthy, but that health thing is a problem. Owens might make a decent return man with the speed he showed catching Harvin. Obviously he could be a nickel too. Look for a FS in draft or FA. Decoud needs to step up or step out.
Moore is fine, resign Sanders.
Put Robinson under the microscope or make him a FS.
Sign Lofton, and ABE. Go after Avril in FA. Trade or release Edwards. Beerman could be used a rush LB in 3-4 or 4-3 hybrid.
Just clear enough room to sign LT, RG, C. As for RB try to trade Turner and get picks.
It all depends on the pass rush
Teams like the Pats and Giants are able to play no name corners because of the pressure they exert on the opposing QB.
If we can get pressure, and play more man coverage, I can see both Franks and Owens being successful. They both have the size to jam effectively at the line of scrimmage and speed doesn’t seem to be an issue. Hopefully, the new Dbacks coach can work with them on getting their heads around to find the ball and not grabbing receivers illegally.
Exactly
And when we make these observations,no new ground is being broken.These cause and affect relationships have been true for over a half century.And it works in reverse as well.This seasons poster child for the reverse case is the Jets Rivas.He was torched by 6 or 7 WRs this season,giving up 100 yard games and touchdowns as far as the eye can see.
But,he was the same player.The Jets front four pass pressure took a major step back this past season.
i like franks alot
I agree with most..if the line can step up under nolan our d will b dominant but with that said..we dnt currently have the personel on our line2 get constant pressure without blitzing..from what I’ve seen with my eyes..vance walker looks better than the starters..yea I said it.a rotational player.if he’s not there isn’t much diff from babs or peters.that’s saying a lot about our starters..not gonna even mention jerry.I’m so dissapointed in him
Been a falcons fan since the big starter jackets was in style
by turnj35 on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Chris Owens might move up the Depth Chart over Franks
Franks has great upside but he is still raw talent, Franks mostly played LCB after Grimes was injured and Played in Slot against Saints when Grimes came back. Franks had good games against Rookie QBs of MIN,Houston,Carolina and Jacksonville. His production went downhill in the last 3 games against NO,TB and the Giants. The play off game was probably his worst game of the season giving up more than 100 yards and two TDs. Chris Owens picked up his game later in the season. Falcons should probably sign another FA if Grimes is gone next season.
It's all about Process...
His production went downhill in the last 3 games against NO,TB and the Giants.
Franks got a pick in the NO game and the TB game. The playoff game was not a great performance but no one on the team showed up for that game.
Also gave up 3 TD.
I am not picking on Franks, but at this point he is unproven player with lot of upside. Falcons should sign a CB in Free Agency if Grimes is let go.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I recall Grimes getting burned alot before he became a starter
He eventually settled down and became our best cover CB. Franks (imo) has a much better grasp of things in this point of his career compared to Grimes when he was at that phase.
Failure is the best teacher
And I remember Grimes getting burned as well. Franks and Walls need game time experience to learn the NFL game. It will be painful to watch at times, but if we truly believe in their potential, we need to let them learn.
Franks, Walls and Owens will see ALLOT of game time in pre-season...
especially if OG is gone!! we will get a real good look at all three imho…
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Agreed.
Franks had more snaps than Chris Owens, Franks played as a starter from week 12, However the falcons should get other CB in FA just in case Franks takes a step back. At the least give the secondary help from good pass rush.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If you want to sign
a FA CB that is a proven starter, he would not be much cheaper than Grimes. The only issue I see in the resigning of Grimes is the salary requirements, so if your gonna bring in a guy of Grimes caliber the same issue exist IMO. We need the proverbial diamond in the rough since we are essentially stuck with Dunta until he either shows up in this new scheme or the guaranteed money is given. I’m not crazy about the idea of Franks being the #2, I’m just saying Franks may be the cheapest means to an end with other issues such as O-Line and D-Line being apparent
Keep in mind
Franks was projected to be a middle to late 2nd RD pick in the draft. Poor numbers at the combine made his stock drop, his 40 time was 4.46 but his vertical and shulttle and cone times were lacking a bit. I believe Franks will be no less than the nickle corner for the 2012 season which as we all know in a Nolan scheme is just like being a starter. The question is whether paying Grimes 7 or 8 million a year makes the Falcons that much better than having Franks at his base salary play the same position with Owens at nickle? I like Grimes but you would have to offer Grimes something at least equal to what Dunta is getting since Grimes has obviously shown up to this point he is the better corner and that’s just too much cap to tie into 2 corners IMO. With 5 million of Duntas 6 million for next season guaranteed he ain’t going nowhere unless a trade happens and that ain’t gonna happen. I like how some just assume that because Nolan runs a more aggressive scheme that Dunta will somehow flourish in it. I’m not ready to drink that kool-aid just yet. I hope it happens but I’ll wait and see.
Agreed on this
Dunta – in theory – should do better under Nolan, but with his contract, he had better prove that this year or he’s a goner.
As for Grimes, we just can’t afford to put the money into him to keep him, especially since we’re forking out the money to Dunta.
Where Franks is concerned, I distinctly remember several analysts being surprised that he slipped all the way to the fifth round – and the sentiment being that the Falcons got a very good prospect for that round. I don’t think he’ll be a shutdown corner ala Revis, but with the proper pass rush, he could be a very good starting corner. I think the only thing holding him back at this point is experience, and he started accruing that in 2011.
Agreed on Grimes
Grimes is probably gone. His stock dropped a bit after the reports that he sat out of the Playoff game not to risk an injury and pay. If Grimes is let go, Falcons should probably go after Brandon Carr or Carlos Rogers.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Not sold on Rogers
He basically got torched by Cruz and he’s on the wrong side of 30.
Rogers looked consistent last season.
Rogers made Cruz non factor in the first game when Giants played Niners in the regular season. Rogers can be cheap because he is in wrong side of 30,however he can play both slot and LCB if needed.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't Rogers make the Pro Bowl?
If so I’m sure he’s gonna want to parlay that into a hefty salary increase.
I'd be careful not to overrate Rodgers
There are alot of DB s that can perform as well behind that front seven.We may have 2 of them here already.But we dont have anywhere near the front seven to compare to.
Actually...
Dunta was “out of his element” in BVG’s defense. He will get better under Nolan if he intends to play more of a “man coverage” type of game…which all indications are the he will.
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I surely hope so.
It amazes me that TD went out and paid the type of money he did to get a scheme specific corner then not even bother to use the scheme to this point. Who does that? At 57 million you better be able to flourish in any scheme IMO.
Only good player available
I think the issue at that time was due to the Falcons not yet being an attractive franchise to play for. Even though they had a winning season in 2008, I’m not sure players were viewing Atlanta as a SB contending team.
I liken it to the insane amount that Charles Johnson was given by Carolina. Richardson had to pay him big dollars or risk losing him to a more competitive team.
I realize he was the only good corner available in FA at the time.
I guess I just use a basic approach to matters of business. If I pay you top dollar I want you to do what you do best or be able to do it all. I don’t think Charles Johnson is being asked to do anything differently than he has done it in the past…maybe more of it.
Put that all on the coaching staff
All TD can do is get the players, it’s up to those “ahem” guys to put them in the right scheme. I’m sure the hope was that he could adapt to a soft zone where the corner gives 10 yard cushions but he couldn’t and the staff didn’t adjust a damn thing. Look at Chris “stone neck” Houston. Absolutely horrid with us, now an ok corner w/the Lions. He’s not great by any stretch but at least he looks comfortable in that scheme.
by aces666high on Jan 26, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Dunta was inconsistent.
I tracked the pass coverage numbers for 2011, looking at the QBR when Dunta was in coverage, the opposing QB had
5 games with QB rating over 115
8 games with QBR less than 60
2 games with QBR between 70-80
2 games between 90-100.
DR was really good for 10 games(QBR<80) and really bad for 5 Games (QBR >115). First 5 games DR had 4 games with QBR >115. Its either because of scheme or just not being able to focus he was inconsistent. Both of of them are fixable and hopefully Mike Nolan will use him better.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, I agree Vishnu. There were times he looked lost out there, throwing his hands up@teammates ala Ray Buchanan
or his patented “falling down” tackle attempt after being beaten on a play but I do think if he’s allowed to play in the way he’s most comfortable, physical, maybe a couple of those 3rd and 15’s don’t get completed.
He’s been a good DB for us but not near the $$$ TD doled out for him.
Agreed on the $$$ he got paid.
I remember him throwing his hands up in the CHI,SEA,PHI and GB games.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
In other news bucs just hired Greg Schiano from Rutgers as their head coach
68-67 as the scarlet knights HC. Hope he doesn’t back out on them too!
Been on the D-Franks train from the beginning
Think he’d do just fine as a starter
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 26, 2012 2:07 PM EST reply actions
Id rather see Dunta go and keep Grimes
If ive got to pay one of the two it would easily be Grimes. Yea maybe duntas better in man but how much man do you want to run? He’s also a lot better at the trip and fall. Franks seems to have alot of upside and CO did improve, but to put stock in those guys doesn’t seem smart. Owens best plays weren’t made in coverage.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 26, 2012 2:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The problem
Is that we have to pay Dunta next year. Even if we cut him, he will still be a huge hit against our cap.
can we trade him?
It takes money to make money and Grimes is better
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 26, 2012 2:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Doubtful
Given his high price tag and his up and down performance, we likely wouldn’t find any trade partners.
I doubt DR is going anywhere.
He started off the season with poor form in first 4/5 games. After that he picked up and had just one game over 100 QBR which was against Drew Brees. I don’t think secondary could have covered Brees with no pass rush or effective blitz schemes. Dunta is good but knock on him is the money Falcons Paid to get him. Hopefully Mike Nolan can use him and adjust the scheme to fit the players.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I just don’t think that’ll happen. Franks isn’t better than Grimes at all, but he’d be solid.
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 26, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Id rather see Dunta go and keep Grimes
If ive got to pay one of the two it would easily be Grimes. Yea maybe duntas better in man but how much man do you want to run? He’s also a lot better at the trip and fall. Franks seems to have alot of upside and CO did improve, but to put stock in those guys doesn’t seem smart. Owens best plays weren’t even made in coverage. We need a new guy too because Hayden just cant seem to stay healthy.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 26, 2012 2:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As for more pressure helping the secondary
Just how can we get more pressure with the same d line – our best pass rusher???
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 26, 2012 2:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scheme and coaching CAN help
But I’ll be disappointed if the team doesn’t try to get a stud DE in the off-season.
Not sure about stud DE
Mike Nolan said he likes to have 10 guys have 4 sacks rather than 4 guys having 10 sacks each. Looking at Dolphins sack numbers for 2011, the most number of sacks a single player had was 8.5 sacks. There were 3 players with atleast 6 sacks and about 9 players with multiple sacks including the DB’s. If Mike Nolan can dial up some creative blitzes it might mitigate the need for a stud DE.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
The free agent DE pickings could be limited
Here are the top guys:
1. Mario Williams-will cost a fortune but is worth every dime
2. Calais Campbell- The Cardinals really want him back and can franchise him
3. Cliff Avril- will cost alot but it looks like DET is willing to pay big $$$ to keep him
4. Mark Anderson-racked up a bunch of sacks and could be in our price range
5. Jeremy Mincey-had a good season during a contract year
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Most of the others are injury risks and over 30
How much more would Mario make compared to Abe?
Didn’t Abe make like 8-9 million this past year? I would gladly take Mario in that same range for the next 4-5 years.
Thats the big question
He’ll for sure be one of the highest paid DEF players in the league-possibly over 10 mil a year
At this point
Abe is probably somewhere in the $5 million per year price range. Mario will undoubtedly cost big dollars and be a huge hit to the cap. But, at 26, he is the type of player you can anchor your entire DLine around.
If the Falcons somehow signed him, I would cry rivers of pure joy.
Tell me about it
I guess we will see how agressive TD is. Its not out of the realm of possibility to sign him but our ability to get other guys will be impacted-but getting him would definitely allow us to build the D up with him as our focal point.
Houston most likely wont put a Franchise tag on Williams.
The Franchise Tag on Williams might cost Texans 20+ M$. If the deal is not done by start of FA in March, he might be a free agent. Williams might be looking for a Julius Pepers deal 6 Yr 90 + Million. Not sure if he is worth that much money given his injury history.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 26, 2012 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Injuries
Prior to this year, he only missed 3 games in the 2010 season and otherwise played 16 games in every year prior.
Not sure the Texans can afford to tag Williams, but they will definitely want to keep him.
As for whether we can get him, as you mentioned – it all depends on how Nolan wants to run the D. If he is truly looking for 10 guys getting 4 sacks, then that obviously steers us away from a big signing like this. That said, Williams is one of the few players in the league who can play both 4-3 DE and OLB 3-4. He’s a rare find.
by The DW on Jan 26, 2012 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, why wold they want to keep him?
He’ll cost them a fortune, is being asked to play out of his natural position, and just look how dominant their D was without him. If Houston hadn’t lost Schaub, they’d be playing in the Superbowl, even without Super Mario.
Maybe they franchise and try to trade him, but I can’t see them resigning him.
I hope you're right
And I really doubt that they franchise him. Plus, the NFL discourages teams from tag-and-trade, so I don’t see that as a realistic possibility either.
My guess is he hits the free agent market. There are many teams out there that would want him, so I imagine he’s going to spark a bidding war.
Walls will have a bigger role in 2012,
possibly taking a starting spot later in the year.
Maybe I'm in the minority
but until Franks and Owens show they can be quality starters, the thought of them being our starter and backup at one position makes me think of the mess we had in 2009(?) where we went into training camp with high hopes for some young guys and then picked up every healthy DB that was left to try and salvage our horrible secondary play.
They may be pro bowl CBs in 2012 but I’d feel better if we had solid, veteran options in case they aren’t.
Here are some choice words on your boy Dunta Robinson
Of Falcons RCB Dunta Robinson’s $6 million base salary, $5 million is guaranteed for the 2012 season.
Robinson has fallen well short of expectations since Atlanta made him one of the NFL’s highest paid cornerbacks in 2012, but they’re going to have to suck it up for one more year. Robinson has just three interceptions in 31 games as a Falcon, and Pro Football Focus graded him 101st of 109 qualifying cornerbacks in 2011. Robinson ranked an even worse 105th in pass coverage.
Int's are overrated(see Deangelo Hall last season. Pro Bowl, Ha!)
But those other numbers…I dont think there’s a way that you can put a positive spin on them at all! Those are some brutal rankings.
by aces666high on Jan 26, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Im Fine
With letting franks and owens start they should some flash of potential even ownes showed resilencey keept fighting to make the feild and play, as for grimes let em walk dude didnt wanna play in the playoff game to risk his big pay day, yet jason snelling played with a broken jaw, grimes money to sign someone else(Mario WIilliams,Laron Landry,Nicks)

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