Atlanta Falcons Free Agent Targets: Carlos Rogers
I'm assuming the Falcons' cornerback depth chart is not going to return intact from a year ago.
Whether you believe the team will cut ties with Dunta Robinson, fail to re-sign Brent Grimes or (as unlikely as it is) both, there's a good chance
Now, if you're like me, you probably believe the Falcons can get by with Robinson/Grimes, Dominique Franks, Chris Owens and Darrin Walls. If you don't, though, there's some quality options to take over one of the top two spots. First on my list is Carlos Rogers.
Rogers is a talented cover cornerback and is coming off a big season for the 49ers. He had six picks in 2011, as well as 18 pass deflections, and was honored among Pro Football Focus' Pro Bowlers. At six feet, he has decent size for a corner, pretty good wheels and rarely embarrasses himself against good receivers. If the Falcons want a starting cornerback who can step right into Mike Nolan's defense and play well, Rogers is as good a bet as anybody.
The chief obstacle here might be cost and age. Rogers is 30 years old and will be among the two-or-three best cornerbacks on the market, joining our own Brent Grimes and Titans defender Cortland Finnegan. If the Falcons make a strong run at a guy like Carl Nicks or try to tweak their defense with an eye toward a future 3-4, Rogers may wind up outside of their price range.
If you're not sold on Rogers for the price, guys like Richard Marshall and Tim Jennings would be cheaper alternatives, as well as our own Kelvin Hayden. That's also true if you think Franks or Owens can step in opposite Robinson/Grimes this season without a visible downgrade. If not, or if you simply want to hugely upgrade the secondary, Rogers would be your guy.
Thoughts on this free agent possibility?
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i c them rolling with dunta &
Letting a backup guy like franks move up opposite him..they won’t get a guy like rogers unless dunta is cut which cld b a possibility tho but unlikely.grimes is gone tho..no way we keep both
Been a falcons fan since the big starter jackets was in style
by turnj35 on Jan 20, 2012 8:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Grimes is gone
And Dunta is staying. I would rather see them try to sign Brandon Carr than Rogers or Finnegan. He is under the radar because he plays in KC. He’s younger(25) and also six feet with decent wheels. He might not cost as much because of the lack luster team he’s been playing on. Franks, Owens, and Walls are good young talent, but it wouldn’t hurt adding more young talent with game experience to the mix. And no way Grimes is coming back. He’ll be too pricey.
Safety is bigger liability
I agree with the sentiment that Grimes is likely heading out to greener pastures. I think Dunta gets a shot at the new system, since it will likely favor his playing style.
However, I think before we go out for another corner – especially with Franks and Owens playing well down the stretch – I think we have to address the free safety position. We have almost no depth at safety and our existing starter – Decoud, also a free-agent – was one of the weakest pieces of our secondary in 2011.
Nolan is known for developing his safeties and using them all over the field. I think they will likely target a safety before a CB.
I think they'll keep DeCoud
I think Nolan can coach him up a bit, and my (admittedly limited) research tells me this isn’t a deep draft for safety.
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I think they'll keep Decoud too.
But I think they’ll sign a veteran player that will push him.
There are a couple safeties
But we have bigger needs.
by pierre02 on Jan 20, 2012 11:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Y'all really want that little assclown Finnigen?
I’m not to big on the guy. Wish we would have picked up Carlos last year but hey whatevs.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Finnegan
When he’s not getting the crap beat out of him by Andre Johnson, he’s actually a pretty good cover corner. He’s very physical and can get into the heads of WRs.
And believe it or not, he’s not a locker room problem. His teammates respect him and he’s known to be a very charitable and giving person off the field.
I guess my "assclown" title is a bit much
But it is a really fitting term in regards to that ass whoopin’.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
The assclownery is his stage persona. Play physical, get in your opponent’s head, get them out of their game.
There’s some guys who are jerks off the field and it comes out between the lines: Haynesworth, Pacman, etc.
CF isn’t in that group, he’s more in the Larry Bird, trash-talk-is-a-weapon group.
The fight with Andre is proof of how effective he is at getting into a WR’s helmet.
Sadly, he’s probably too raw for Atlanta sports fans, who would say that his antics reflect poorly on us.
looks expectantly in Dave’s direction
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
I would not touch Tim Jennings
I would like for Grimes to stay unfortunately the acquisition of the “inconsistent” Dunta Robinson could hamper him staying. You just can’t put that much money into 2 corners and expect to have the others pieces you need. In my mind, Dunta HAS to go. THIS DUDER MADE 8.5 MILLION DOLL HAIRS IN 2011. If you’re the GM and you realize Grimes is a better option than Dunta how do you keep one and let the other walk. If Dunta stays you can’t really sign one of the top FA corners as their price will be similar to Grimes. A big question is what type of scheme will Nolan ask his corners to play. I get the impression Nolan likes to let guys do what they do best…BTW this is why I love the hire. If so Dunta plays press man and Grimes well Grimes does the Grimes coverage off man type coverage. For the past 3 off seasons I have really enjoyed playing the GM role and keeping track of my waives and acquisitions, this off season is not gonna be fun. The decisions made this off season can’t turn out to be inconsistent or failures as peoples livelihoods are on the line. TD I would NOT won’t to be you my friend. Good Luck and God Speed!
I don't think Grimes will be that good in man to man
He is kinda small even though he is quick abd has hawks(lingo for the ability to jump high) he still can get bodied at the line. Id like to keep Grimes just to play him in the slot cause I don’t trust Owens quite yet.
by pierre02 on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
agreed, and there is no way we pay 5+ mil for a nickel corner
If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set
by suicide bunting is a sin on Jan 20, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I think
Owens has shown that he can play outside, he’s just not a good nichol guy. Kudos to the regime for sticking with him. Franks has shown potential inside and out. Walls will challenge all of them, it’s just a matter of time for him I believe. Hayden was very solid when not injured. I think it may come down to who Nolan thinks is best or just how much competition they want to create. Or from a salary perspective Dunta could be a casualty because it’s known that they are not happy with his performance vs his contract.
Dunta Will Be A Stud
Under Nolan just wait and see, its not a coincidence that hou pass d became 32nd wen DR left, hell be ballin this yr with my boy dom franks who was the steal of that draft
Decoud will be back
At a good price. I think he will benefit from the system change. He has great size and has a eye for the ball. Even though his hands need to coordinate with his eyes so he doesn’t continue to drop so many hit me right in my hands picks. CB is definitely need since Nolan wants to make sure he has 4 to 5 corner for his system. Another signing that might be great but would come with a lot of risk would be Terrell Thomas. He’s coming off an season ending injury and if he recovers could also come at a cheap price and be an addition to the young talent they already have at theposition.
I think Hayden should get another chance
When he wasn’t injured he was a big upgrade and played very consistently…hopefully he can stay healthy
I liked him too but that's one big reason Indy let him walk...always injured.
by Fear Me on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He won't command a hefty price
And he’s a great corner for 10 games or so a year. Play him till he breaks, and make sure we’re about 5 deep at CB.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 20, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Hayden hasn't been a "great" CB since
at least 2008. And if we have to keep an “extra” CB around for when he goes on IR in Week 10 (it would be silly to expect him to last longer than that), then we’d be weakening another position… I’m not too excited at the thought of bringing him back.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Rogers will probably be tagged...
Imo…hes to old to get a long term deal but to good right now for them to let him walk away. So I wouldnt be surprised if they offer him a few years and if he declines they may tag him for a year. As far as Grimes. I love his skills but he may be to small for the system but part of me doesnt doubt he can hang in it too. I also feel that we lack alot of experience without Grimes and his replacement might not be ready for that large of a role…our other cbs are still pretty raw and a new system might be alot for them to take on. I hope they make wise with our secondary and do it carefully…without grimes and using one of the back ups to fill in and a mistake prone Decoud with a new system could be disaterous if this isnt managed properly.
by Bigru3 on Jan 20, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think they'll manage to keep
Grimes, DeCoud, and Lofton on the defense since I believe they’ll let Abe walk, unless he plays for much less money. Owens and Franks played fine down the stretch when Hayden was hurt so I don’t expect Hayden back. I expect one offensive line FA signing for RG or LT.
I'll say "No thanks" to Carlos Rogers
He’ll be 31 next season, he’s coming off a career year, apparently wants a 5-year deal. I’d say we have much bigger issues than CB even if Grimes leaves (OL, DE).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
If we run a hybrid DE won't be that big of a need
But the OL is critical. We really could draft best player available in this draft if we get some of the OL issues solved in FA.
by pierre02 on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
if you don't like DE, let's just call it "pass rusher"
We would still need a dominant pass rusher. If Abe leaves, that cupboard is pretty bare.
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Agreed!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 20, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Grimes is gone.
Dunta stays, and I think we should re-sign Hayden, who was solid when healthy. As far as Free Agency, we need to pull out all the stops to get Carl Nicks -fills a HUGE need, helping us while also hurting a rival. MAKE IT HAPPEN!! lol
Decod:
needs to go. I’m sorry but there is no way a FS should be missing that many open field tackles. Sanders is a better FS and will be much cheaper.
Grimes: When it comes to a shut down corner Grimes is the closest thing we have. I would love to keep him but I understand he (and his wife) deserve to get paid.
Dunta: Sorry brah. I like his physicality but he is not athletic. The guy has zero hops. I mean really, how many times have you seen Robinson make a play on the ball ? Considering salary Franks is the better option.
Finnegan: Yes !! Would love to have his kiss my * attitude added to our defense
by BlackBirdBlitz on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 AM EST reply actions
Hey Dave??
If the Falcons make a strong run at a guy like Carl Nicks or try to tweak their defense with an eye toward a future 3-4
How could Carl Nicks help in a 3-4 defense? Isn’t he an Offensive Guard?
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
I think he's referring to salary cap concerns
Since Nicks would take up a chunk of change.
Ooops, my bad Dave...
didn’t see the “OR” in the statement till now…hehe
To early for this but yet I do it anyway…hahaha
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
No worries
The run-on sentence is my bread and butter.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 20, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Your gracious as ever...
hell, I wouldn’t know a “run on” sentence if it slapped me in the face!!
I have to put everything I post into word first as my spelling is so horrible and I “still” spell ch!t wrong…lol
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
by Blood_Talon on Jan 20, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Anyway, my bad eyesight or lack of reading skills aside...
I think Dunta stays and I hope Grimes does as well although there are apparently powers at work trying to convince him not too…we shall see.
I think Franks can step in or possibly Owens. I just feel there are bigger concerns for the allocation of resources. I say we get the OL and FA we wish to keep shored up first and then see what the field looks like for our CD and Safety concerns.
But that’s just me…
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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I have faith in Dunta
Nobody has been a bigger Dunta critic than me, but I still have some faith in him. I think he can be a really solid corner if a coordinator even attempts to put him in a system that fits him. Van Gorder was just completely oblivious (or just stubborn) to the fact that Dunta sucks in a soft zone.
I think we keep Dunta. We won’t be able to keep Grimes (I think they’re pretty upset with him for not playing against the Giants too) and I think we should resign Hayden and try to roll with what we’ve got for this year.
There is no way we lose Grimes
You don’t let your playmakers go. I expect him resigned before March. Plus, Nolan has placed an emphasis on DBs. The top 5 corners are making around 10 million a year. Not sure if I think he’s a top 5 corner but I’m not looking at stats either. Top 10 I would say yes. I wouldn’t be mad at a 5 year $40 million contract. There is no way he gets an Asomugha-type deal at $60 Million for 5 years.
I take that back
If Revis is making 7 mil a year then Grimes should be around 5 mil a year. We’re not losing Grimes. It’ll be another 6 million/year for Lofton and maybe 2 million a year for Decoud (and that’s high). I think Atlanta will be in pretty good shape to go after a very good FA offensive lineman and maybe DE if Abe walks…maybe Avril?
Yeah but rumors are...
Grimes’ family doesn’t like Atlanta and wants him to leave. If this is true, I really think it is because they know that TD is shrewd and the felling is he will probably see a bigger paycheck elsewhere. I think the Eegles singing all there backfield acquisitions to big dollars last year has people thinking there are more teams out there willing to do this.
All is my opinion of course and for the record, I love OG and hope he stays!!
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
oh i didn't hear about that
Well if he wants to leave, let him. I only want players that want to be here
by Fear Me on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
^^This^^
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
by Blood_Talon on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
This is when he needs to wear the pants and tell his wife to stop
the unnecessary stuff that could land him with a team that he may not want to go to. In marriage and if you’re a smart man, you pick your battles. This is one he may want to choose.
For the record
Grimes wifey has come out on Twitter recently and flat out said she AND her husband would love to stay in Atlanta and retire as Falcons. The rest of her tweet basically stated that if they leave it would be the decision of the Atlanta Falcons not them however they would understand because it is a business. So lets drop the rumors about them not wanting to be here. I believe her statements. This is where it all started for them, the unknown can be a B#^$^ sometimes.
Coll, that is deffinately contrary to...
a report put out a week or so ago that she had Twitted that Atlanta was not the place she wanted him.
This must have just been rumor mill type stuff then…cool!! I want him to stay and so do allot of other fans… :)
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
"Cool" not "Coll"
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
I think there are some decent CB prospects
that grade as 2nd-3rd rounders that we could go after in the draft. I’d much rather see us take that approach this off season and splurge a bit on O-Lineman. I think the combo of Robinson and Franks (I think he’d beat out Owens and Walls for the #2 spot) could hold down the fort while we groomed another CB prospect.
by Sewanee Braves on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions
I have no faith in Dunta
I say we try to get some trade compensation for Dunta, sign either Rogers to CB opposite Grimes or try and get San Frans safety. (i forget his name off the top of my head.) But I’m probably living in a dream world.
by jackofallspades on Jan 20, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions
Because of his contract, DR has no trade value.
I really don’t get all the DR hate. Seriously, if you ask a computer technician to repair your car instead of an auto mechanic, whose fault is it when your car comes back screwed up? We brought a man cover corner, used to playing press coverage, in and asked him to sit ten yards off the line of scrimmage and try to play catch up. Whose fault is that? And to top it all off, now everyone wants to can him when we hire a DC known for running more agressive man coverage schemes.
by jcaustic on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I know, like I said dream world
The thing is, he just seems to give up sometimes. Now, that could be out of frustration given that he was not being utlized correctly. However if we dont see drastic improvement after this season we need to get rid of him. But, as far back as I can remember ATL has never had a good, reliable secondary. WIth this market of good CBs and a draft of good CBs, then I see no reason we shouldnt get an improvement over our current stock for next year.
by jackofallspades on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I agree
I was hard on Dunta at first but he is in the same boat as Nnamdi. You don’t bring a man to man guy in to play zone and expect him to be great. Now his tackling needs work because he whiffs alot or goes for the kill instead of a sure tackle.
by pierre02 on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
While I too am harboring some hope,
I’ve seen the dude run enough 1-on-1 drills to know that Julio can beat him soundly and Roddy can get open with ease. Maybe he just doesn’t go hard in practice (I don’t think that’s the case, though) but the results are the same as what we see in games.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
Don't read too much into that
He’s generally not going to make the same physical contact with a receiver in practice as he would during a game. I’ve seen Dunta bump receivers before – and when he does – he can do a great job of throwing them off a route.
As for covering JJ or RW – JJ is freakishly fast, and few people in the entire league can keep pace. As for RW – he’s one of the best route runners available.
I know,
and I agree, except that he’s sucked so bad for us that I felt it bore noting.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
I think this will be his last shot
If we switch up to a defensive scheme that favors him, and he still gets burned consistently, then we definitely need to part ways.
But, I’m really confident he’ll do much better under Nolan. In fact, I’d say that will be the case for quite a few of our guys in general.
Aint that the truth
Anyone who’s watched the old Dunta could tell he was out of place in a soft zone. He will do big things in a more agressive man-to-man defense.
Carr would be great
I also like finnegan. He is a a hole but he does frustrate opposing receivers and he is a sure tackler. This D has been labeled soft we might as well grab a guy like finnegan to give us some grit.
by pierre02 on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Grimes is gone
Love Grimes to death but he’ll be the most coveted cover corner on the market. A CB starved team like Dallas would easily overpay for him. If we resign Hayden our CB depth without Grimes looks pretty good. I just don’t see the team being able to afford Grimes if we pursue Carl Nicks/Ben Grubbs, as well as the other FA’s we have and possibly a FA center or OT.
If it weren't frowned upon
I’d say tag Grimes and setup a trade with Dallas for Doug Free.
If we can get Nicks as well
Sounds good to me.
by pierre02 on Jan 20, 2012 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am down with this...
line of logic but if Grimes is bent on leaving then this wil just make him disgruntled…but who knows??
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
no thanks
I don’t think we should spend our money on corners, there are much bigger concerns (O-Line, hopefully we get Nicks) and D-line (dont think Abe’s comin back, need to find someone to replace his production)
If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set
by suicide bunting is a sin on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions
I agree with this
But, I can see TD getting a physical CB in the draft to add some toughness while signing Nicks and also going after a D line free agent. Wouldn’t be a bad offseason if that happened.
by jackofallspades on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
This
I would be very happy if we were able to do this. but who are some good D Line free agents?
If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set
by suicide bunting is a sin on Jan 20, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
CB is not the compelling problem.
Over the years,we Falcons fans have developed some kind of mental disorder about Defensive Backs.Year after year we watch our Secondaries suffer from poor line pressure on QBs.We run DBs out of town that go on to have good careers elsewhere.
Top defensive secondaries play behind front sevens that harrass QBs.The list of top CBs that move to new teams and fail behind weak pass rushes is so long that noone wants read it all.This years poster child was D.Revis.In one year,the Jets pass rush went from tops to below average and Revis was shredded by 7 or 8 WRs this past season.
Rodgers is another case.He has been the primary beneficiary of the 49ers obsession with improving their front seven over the past few years.Suddenly,the Giants secondary looks competitive when the injured front seven players returned a few weeks ago.The evidence for this notion is a long read and goes back many decades,year after year.
I don't see ATL spending big bucks on a corner
Grimes is most likely gone if Nolan goes to press coverage. As much as Grimes is loved, and he has been a very good DB for ATL, it’s doubtful he’ll be as good in full press coverage. If Nolan plays a hybrid coverage scheme, press for DR and zone for BG, then he might stay. In press coverage ATL has Franks, Owens and Walls that could fit the need. Hayden would also be a good option. Cash going to BG could go to Lofton, Decoud, or Decouds replacement, with some left over to be spent on the OL.
I live in MD and watched Rogers on the Skins for years
and he was notorious for having the worst hands in the league. I know he had 6 picks this year. But a guy who has a breakout season at age 30? no thank you
You can never have too many good corners. . .
and given that Grimes may be lost to free agency, it would have been a good move to sign Wilson or Rogers LAST year.
by Bobby Falcon on Jan 21, 2012 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
It would also be good to predict the future
But that is impossible. Unless, of course, you’re playing armchair GM.
at this point a serious doubt this guy will have a reason to move
I’m sure the Niners pay him well enough, and they might be overachieving this year, and will need him.
But for now the Niners are doing really well, and the Falcons…not so much.
Anyone thinks that guy at this age would move?
"DBS"
I think Mike Nolan will instill a more physical defense. And everyone that are not physical or have a long term contract-exception Brent Grimes. They will be replace if possible.

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