Can We Beat The Giants?
Note, this is not a "Dey r unpossible" pessimism thread, this is simply asking the question "Can we beat them?" to which I think we can, but I'd like to go over how we match up with them, some strengths/weaknesses on both sides (from observation), and an overall opinion of what we need to do to get out of there with a win.
This is coming in place of my recap because, well, you saw what happened yesterday. It was a vicious beatdown in the first half, and a "Here, come feel better about yourselves" second half. We definitely one-upped the Jags game, if you ask me.
In any case, after the jump we'll look at the Giants and see if we can break this match up down a little.
(Dave does the specific, critical matchups later on in the week. I'll be more general)
First thing that comes to mind between the Falcons and the Giants is that they're very, very similar in nature. Both have above-average QBs, a power running game, and (at least for this year) their defenses haven't been a total wash, though advanced stats says NYG's D is pretty bad as of Week 15.
On offense, they don't appear to be a particularly huge running threat. They do better when both Jacobs and Bradshaw play in the same game, but it's nothing we haven't seen before. Jacobs is a big dude, but so is Turner. I'd actually give Turner the edge just from watching them both, but I don't know everything.
Their passing game seems to go through Victor Cruz now. If Grimes is 100% healthy, Cruz will be mostly shut down. I don't think Cruz is good enough to "get his" yet (Like a CJ/Fitzgerald-type), and he also benefits from being a good route runner. I'm not saying he's bad, but I don't think he's quite the mega star some people make him out to be. I think people don't play him correctly. Hakeem Nicks is nothing to scoff at, either, but neither he nor Cruz strike too much fear into my heart. Yes, Cruz is having a great season statistically, but I just don't see it, personally.
Eli's having a great season, throwing for nearly 5000 (!) yards with 29 TDs and 16 INTs.
To compare, Matty had 4100 yards with 29 TDs and only 12 INTs.
They both had similar completion percentages, though Eli only had a handful more completions than Matt and had 600+ more yards, mostly thanks to Cruz, I'm sure.
I think Grimes matches up extremely well with Cruz. Hell, Grimes went man up with Megatron and did pretty well, if I recall correctly. Cruz isn't very big, but he's pretty fast, which lets Grimetime do his thing.
Eli torched the Cowboys D. Why? First of all, I don't think they sacked him many times, but the thing I noticed most was how much man coverage they were running. Single deep safety looks (That one long Cruz TD was a failed angle by the single deep safety and a fail at man coverage). Believe it or not, what do we not do? Man coverage. That's right, folks, BVG does not do that, which limits the chances for a big play such as the ones the Cowboys allowed.
If Matt and Eli are similar (we may have to wade through our tears and come to this conclusion someday) then Eli will probably not win the game for them if we can get to him early and often. Their running game is not our running game, and their run defense is not the best. Michael Turner (thankfully) > Felix Jones/Sammy Morris.
We've been eaten by the Saints twice and the Packers once, and the Giants O is nowhere near either of those two teams, so long as we can keep the game in front of us. Brees and Rodgers can pretty much score at will, but Eli can't, and that's the key to this game.
We have long struggled against teams that crush our hearts by delivering repeated body blow after body blow, but the Giants are like us: if things start to go South, so do they. Disciplined football is the key here. We can't have false starts, we can't have drops.
We may fall behind early, but we mustn't give up. Eli is not mobile (Our arch nemesis) and can be taken down pretty easily. If everyone plays to their assignments (Keep Cruz in check, keep Nicks in check) then we can force Eli to force throws, which then leads to mistakes. Their tight ends do not scare me. Ballard and Pascoe are big dudes, but we have a fantastic LB corps more than capable of handling them.
They love to swing their fullback out of the backfield for a pass. Again, disciplined football will take care of this. We have good speed on our D and if one person snuffs out the play, so will the rest. Even slowing up the FB in the backfield can be the difference between a 3 yard gain and a 10 yard gain. And in this game, every inch counts.
On the flipside, one of the great things about this game is that we can score with them. I'll be honest here and say that I don't think we can score with the likes of the Packers and Saints (yet) but I know we can score with the Giants.
(Man, we are so bad against #1 WR, but so good against every other WR including TE/RB)
This is kinda more brief than I wanted it to be, but it's 5:15 in the morning and I haven't slept. I'll visit here throughout the afternoon and try to chat it up with some of you guys. What match ups are you guys looking forward to? Do you think I'm correct in saying that we can score with them? Anything else you'd like to bring up? I'm all ears!
Oh, and their pass rush is scary.
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Good luck to you Mr. Choate and the rest of the Falcoholic gang.
-Lombardi was wrong...it's the internet, not fatigue that makes cowards of us all. But then again, what do you expect. Not like the guy could see the future.
Don't need Luck.
We have matt Ryan.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 2, 2012 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Good luck to you, as well
See you in the NFC Championship?
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I think
The key to this game will be our offensive line keeping the Giants front four in check.
We don’t play very well on the road, so we will need to limit mistakes and keep Matt comfortable on the offensive side of the ball. Get Turner going and not abandon the running game early.
On the defensive side, we will need to shut down their running game forcing Eli to make plays and get the heck off the field on third down.
rub the rock and run it often
I don’t know why people at work ask me “can the falcons beat the Giants?” and even on here we ask ourselves “can we beat the giants?” We have the best matchup we could for the first round…..a team with a poor running game, no hurry-up offense and ok passing game, and no shutdown defense. Why is it always “Do the falcons stand a chance?” when people ask me it always “Can the Giants beat us?”
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I love it when she rubs the rock. lol
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Exactly buddy.. It’s not like they have been crushing teams.. I mean they just lost at home to the Redskins in a game at the time they really needed.. If our O-line plays well I think we win this…
by Kossart on Jan 2, 2012 12:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its our History
Until the Atlanta Falcons win a SB. You will get those questions. Most People that follow football don’t respect or expect us to win. Its just like the Braves until they won WS. And the Braves still get grief for not winning more.
I respect your team. Big time.
But as our coach says, “respect all fear none.”
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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I remember that last game we played aginst them on the road
We played without Turner and with Jenkins dropping a TD. Down by 14 in the 4th, Matty forced OT where we lost the toss and never saw the ball.
I’d say the Falcons have developed mightily since then:
Turner+Snell+Quizz > Snell
Spoon > MoPete
Moore > Coleman
Dunta > Meh-The-ATL-Version
Julio > Jenkins
Edwards > Chauncey Davis
Meanwhile, Victor Cruz is the only noteworthy addition on the Giants’ side of the Ball. Their Oline has been revamped which lead to worse run blocking, but Eli’s development and Cruz let that Offense look just as potent as that one back then. Their D should be just as mediocre as it was back then (great Dline with questionable back 7), but ours has improved by leaps and bounds: from +6% DVOA to -6% DVOA, or a swing from place 20 to place 7 as it stands right now.
I think this is doable.
what's the point in being scared of the Giants?
Ok, so they’re good at some things. Atlanta’s also good at some things.
Don't know how you read fear from that
I was just checking wiesengrund’s otherwise great post by pointing out some outstanding NYG players that were either not on the team or not big players during his analysis.
Personally, I’m looking forward to a great game. If I’m afraid of anything, it’s that the game is outdoors, and I’m beginning to buy into the statistical reality that it hurts our football team.
Nicks
He was already on that team back then, and he had 5 catches against us. But yes, their passing game developed since then, and his improvement had something to do with that as well, of course.
JPP, while having a good season, can only compensate and mask the problems they had in the secondary. Since he came aboard they went back to being the usual Top 10 pass rushing line, but their defensive DVOA on the year pans out as remarkably similar to the 09-numbers:
Defensive DVOA: 6.9 % (20th) versus 6.4% (21st) in 2009
Weighted DVOA: 10.8% (22nd) versus 14.9% (27th) in 2009
Against the Pass: 14% (21st) versus 11.3% (17th) in 2009
Against the Run: -2.0% (19th) versus 0.9% (22nd) in 2009
(Remember defensive DVOA is better when it’s lower.)
I’d say, it’s a wash.
That 2009 Giants defense
was the 2nd worst in franchise history. We’re talking about a franchise that has been around since 1925. Saying that the defense is “as mediocre as it was back then” is just wrong.
As for additions, Hakeem Nicks and JPP are big additions.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
More additions
Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips (IR in 2009), healthy Tuck (torn labrum in 2009), healthy Osi (coming off of a torn lateral meniscus in 2009). I can go on but there’s no need.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
by GhostDini on Jan 2, 2012 6:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just took a look at the numbers
and based on that i came up with the “as mediocre” characterization. Sure, things changed since then, but neither was the 09-Giants Defense anywhere close to historically bad, nor is the 2011 version leaps and bounds better, since it was also struck with key injuries, this time in the secondary.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
Falcons defense is the key...
… THE ZONE/PREVENT defense BVG runs all game long is the biggest concern going into this game. BVG will have to adjust his gameplan to have any chance. Fall behind early and we are toast. If the Giants get a lead the pass rush will be unstoppable. Keep it close and the Falcons running game should at least slow down the pass rush.
Matt's first playoff game against the Cardinals
We had a drop in the backfield early in that game that seemed to derail us. Without that miscue and a few others, we seemed to have what it would take to beat a team that went on to almost win the Superbowl.
I think most here would agree that we are a more talented and experienced team than we were that year, but somehow that team believed they could beat anyone, and could of, if not for the miscues early on. We need that mentality back and fast, as we head North.
I get to see the Giants play often, and I haven't been impressed.
I felt more comfortable about this matchup then the cowboys matchup. The Giants strength on defense is their DEs. We’ve played some good ones this year already, and had to deal with an abusive Eagles line. They are weak at LB and DB. Lastly, they are inconsistent, and caught a lucky break here at the end of the season playing the Jets who have imploded, and the biggest choke artist of them all, Romo. They were abused by the Redskins and Rex Grossman, 3 weeks ago at home.
On offense, there running game is a shadow of what it used to be. And outside of Victor Cruz, who I might add drops A LOT of passes, they don’t have any playmakers. Eli is a good quarterback, but prone to making bone head throws, and having his receivers drop passes into the DBs hands.
If we come out, smack them in the mouth and play the way we did in the first half yesterday, the game next week will be over by half time as well.
too much to... to late in the evening....
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Yeah we can.
All the Falcons have to do is play smart mistake free ball. I don’t think the Falcons have to play their best ball to beat the Giants, but they have to be good and clean. I’m most concerned about the line protecting Matt and the fricken weather.
Don't worry too much about the weather, it will affect us too.
And by “it” I mean the swirling, unpredictable winds in the stadium. As of right now it doesn’t look like it’s going to be too cold. In the 40’s I’ve seen.
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my take...
play like we want it. If we do that, we got it. O-Line will have a battle and I think that their running game will do well for some reason? Problem with the giants is they are a streaky team. One game, they are great, the next, well, they look like the 1st half bucs yesterday. Of course, after every scoring series the giants have, it seems the announcers (hell, everyone in the media) is ready to proclaim them ready for the super bowl. Peaking and all that. I say, good luck to both teams and may the best team (us) win and without any injuries at all.
Dont cloud the issue with facts!
Yes we can. On the road and all, but
It will take a complete 60 mins of football. We need to start fast, but cant lose focus and/or get discouraged if we get down. Runnin the rock and controlling the line will be important, all 3 backs will ne needed. A screen pass to Snelling or Quizz wud be the giants worst enemy. Quick passes wr screens are all thimgs we could use if the line gets in a slump.
Definsively I think we can handle them but Bradshaw can be elusive. How did Spencer Adkins play yesterday?
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 2, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Spence
I dont recall anything negative about him, so thats a good thing.
Still seething about Dunte getting slapped in the head a couple times with a WR standing over him and when he pushed the WR off of him HE gets the flag. If the refs are neutral, it will be a very good game.
Dont cloud the issue with facts!
I think we can
Were going to have to play 4 qts tho. We need bad Eli to show up and we need to get some kind of pressure. We can’t, can’t play that soft zone. Their WRs are YAC machines. If we can run effectively to help control their pass rush, convert on 3rd downs, and the red zone we should be fine.
by pierre02 on Jan 2, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We can beat the GMen
Even though it’s been improved down the stretch, their running game has been terrible this year. Not good news for cold-weather outdoor games. They have two decent receivers in Cruz (speed) and Nicks. Grimes matches up well with Cruz, who is under 6 feet tall. Expect William Moore to get involved in the tackles to try and rattle Cruz. Nicks is decent, but not nearly as explosive as Cruz – he reminds me of Michael Jenkins.
Eli has done a very good job of moving around in the pocket, though he is still sackable. He’s not as maneuverable as Rodgers or Brees, but he knows how to get around the pocket. Falcons will need to mix up the blitz – I like bringing Moore in personally – if they want to consistently put Eli on the ground.
Dallas got burned repeatedly due to their absolutely horrible secondary. They’re old and slow and play lots of man-on-man. BVG’s soft-zones will actually benefit us (if mixed in with some man assignments) and likely limit the big downfield throws that Eli likes to send in Cruz’s direction. Cruz will go across the middle a good bit, so look for Weatherspoon to try and rock him into next week.
Giants have a monster front four that scares me badly. Tuck, Pierre-Paul and Umenyiora are all beasts and will force the Falcons to think creatively about protection for Matt. Falcons will probably look to establish the run early, or get creative and use play-action early to try and take downfield shots. Giants D is incredibly banged up in the secondary. Their corners are ripe for the picking. If JJ can play like he has the past few games, he could put up monster numbers (so long as Matt has time to throw).
I think the Falcons will snag their first playoff victory of the Smith era with a 24-21 nail-biter.
Just some Info on ELi and sacks cause that peeked my interest when reading your post.
In the last 4 games vs. Dallas twice, Jets, and Redskins (best defense we faced all year.) Eli was sacked 2,2,3, and 0 times in 147 pass attempts for a total of 44 yards. Not that much.
He has taken 28 sacks this year. More than double his total of last year because as opposed to last year, he is holding onto the ball and taking the sack when necessary instead of doing a Favre impression and trying to force the ball where it should not go. So while 28 is not a GREAT number, it has been a very positive number for a QB who has thrown the ball like 5,000 times ha ha.
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short answer is - YES
but it would be a mig mistake to underestimate them based on their record.
we’re playing on their field, but we have an extra day to recuperate and that might make the difference (note that it’s just one extra day and not 3-4 like we had before the Aints game).
on offense, Mularkey has to account for the Giants pass rush – and not just by running the ball. we know too well that if the D suffocates our rush attack, we fall apart on offense.
we need to see lots of playaction and screen passes. so, incorporating Quizz and Snelling in our passing game should be key.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I thought you were a Falcons fan?
I mean, really…what Falcons fan truly believes MM will do a lot of screen passes?
Just messing with ya, not calling your faithfulness as a fan in question here.
Dont cloud the issue with facts!
the Jints
will have 6 days to prepare, since they have played late night
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
so really
We have an extra few hours
by jmpecker on Jan 2, 2012 5:51 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
yes, but
we new we were in the playoffs for over a week, and that we could end up playing one of the 3 possible teams. a good coordinator could spend some time figuring what to do against them (since we play the bucs twice a year anyway and know them well).
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Yes, but the O-line, Turner, and the D must play with purpose
Svitek has shown that he can handle an elite pass rusher (i.e Jared Allen). The key will be how Clabo and Hawley perform. If they can keep Osi and Tuck out of Matt’s face, we should be fine. As far as the Giants’ offense, like The DW mentioned, our soft zone might actually help us in this game. I despise BVG’s zone D but Cruz’s big plays come on man-to-man coverage. Also, if Turner runs with purpose like he did yesterday then we stand a good chance of moving to the 2bd round.
My money's on the Falcons to win.
Although Eli is a better quarterback than he generally gets credit for and the Giants can be a tough opponent when they’re playing well, I think the Falcons are the better team.
Good luck in the playoffs.
by Drew-Dat on Jan 2, 2012 2:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
My answer would be no.
Eli Manning is on fire right now. Plus the weather will be cold and awful, not like in the warm Georgia Dome. Final score: Giants 34, Falcons 20.
I just watched an awesome movie that seems to fit right here.
It’s called The Troll Hunter
Noticed that, HollywoodSaint too
I thought that maybe you guys had banned them over there.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
He only posts here
I looked on Canal Street and he’s never posted there though there is one guy whom I suspect. He’s pretty harmless
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
pretty much everything about that movie
can’t wait for when it’s remade in English, though it does come across pretty good being in Norwegian
Matt Ryan has been on fire too
He has been playing his best ball the last few games. This is the year where Matt will prove himself in the playoffs.
People say Eli is on fire lately
I think Matty has been as good if not better over the same time
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
the level of opponent has been a it different.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Giant LB'zz SUCK!! Mark Herzlich, Jacquian Williams,...Maybe .. Sadly this has been modified.
What Troy says.
Plus he has dominated the fourth quarter to a historical degree. The man broke an impressive record Sunday night when he threw for his 15 fourth quarter TD in one year. Passed his bro and Johnny Unitas to grab that one.
5 fourth quarter comebacks this year too. And three of them are of the spectacular variety. Not trying to take anything away from Matty Ice, just want to point out that when things have gotten tight late, my man has made it happen when it matters most.
This gives us fans, and the team, tremendous confidence no matter the situation.
"We borrowed golf from the Scottish as we borrowed whiskey. Not because it is Scottish, but because it is good." Horace Hutchinson
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Agreed on Eli's 4th Quarter heroics
It has been something special.
hey
since you’re a Saints fan, how about this:
- Detroit (which many of us here despise) beats the “unbeatable” Saints in their dome
- Brees has another record day and throws for 600 yds and 6 TDs, but
- Stafford throws for 700 yds and 7 TDs
everybody is happy – Brees sets another record, lions go home and prepare for Lambeau and the real Pack, Saints go home and watch the Giants-Falcons
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
the entire game rests on the giant's front four
And conversely the Falcon’s ululating offensive line. The giants can’t gash the falcons d, but Eli will perform well enough to put up a mid-to-high 20s score line.
If svitek and hawley decide to trough for keeping MR2 safe, there’ll be all sorts of trouble downfield for waddling lobs. Jason Pierre Paul is one of the long-term scariest DEs in the game today, I’d be upset we didn’t manage to bag him in that draft – if we didn’t pounce Spoon.
by ChrisWells on Jan 2, 2012 2:40 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Obviously you guys can win. So can we.
I want to go ahead and say that this is probably the most evenly matched playoff game this coming weekend. Both teams have similar strengths and weaknesses.
I think we can torch your defense. I think you can torch ours. Who’s OL is left standing will probably decide the game.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions
The stat heads in here would say your O probably won't torch our D
but more likely for our O to torch your D. That being said, this is the playoffs, and anything can happen.
Some of the people in here aren’t worried as much as I am.
But I’ll agree, this is anyone’s game. SportsNation has the vote at 51/49 Giants as of last night. Should be a good one.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 2, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Giants are wildly inconsistent. Our stats look somewhat average...that's cause there
are some games where we just put up stinkers….and some where we absolutely demolish the other team. We are the 4th ranked passing offense. We are last in the NFL in rushing, but that’s cause we had 3 or 4 games early in the year where we had less than 50-60 yards rushing that skew the stats. Hell, against the Eagles, we had 29 rushing yards total! Past 3 games though, we’ve gone well over 100+ yards. Finally have OL healthy and Ahmad Bradshaw healthy which has been the difference.
In any case, hoping for a gem of a game.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Our run D is our strength
and I really believe our best corner matches up very well with your best receiver.
If we can’t get a good pass rush on you, though, Eli will have a field day. He’s not Brees/Rodgers level, but he doesn’t have to be if he’s given all day. I think you can say the same about your rush against our QB as well.’
I think it’ll be a good game as well, though of course I hope Atlanta comes out on top! :P
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 2, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
We have a nice 1-2 punch, same as you guys at WR in Hakeem Nicks and Victor Cruz :)
I don’t trust our run game vs your run d, but hell, who knows.
And absolutely agreed, Ryan will tear us a new one if we dont’ get to him. Can’t wait till sunday, mate!
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
Same here!
I’ll be rooting for whoever moves on past this game. I can’t stand the Pack/Saints and I don’t believe the Lions or Niners have a shot in Hades to get past either of them.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 2, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. If Giants lose, I wouldn't mind you guys or the 49ers
Lions are way too arrogant, as are Pack/Saints.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes! This.
I was just thinking that if not us, Giants or Niners. The others are much, much too arrogant.
Nicks and Cruz have been very good
But not sure if they’re quite at the level of Roddy/TG (who is our real #2). Julio is just added bonus.
However, receivers don’t do any good if your QB is on his back all day. If your front 4 can dominate, you’ll run away with this one.
I think they are real close.
I think if you factor in all three, you guys have us beat in the WR dept, but Manningham has had a down year as our 3rd WR. Last year, he had 960 yards and 10 TDs…which are basically Julio Jones numbers this year haha. Its partly because for the past 5-6 games, he’s been injured. He’s finally getting healthy, so he’s probably our x-factor.
We’ll also have Jake Ballard back for next week, and nobody knows what he’ll do…not even Giants fans.
But at the end of the day, you’re right (I’m finding myself agreeing with Falcons fans a lot haha y’all are pretty chill), if the QB is on his back, he can’t throw to all these weapons.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think you'll find
That most fans on these boards are reasonable and not homers. We can recognize talent on other teams and admit to such. I have no doubt that Eli is a good QB and Cruz/Nicks are a very good duo.
first time being on thefalcoholic myself, and yeah, its always fun when
going on a rival site and its friendly and intelligent, as opposed to just trash talk.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bite us
Sorry you were practically begging for it
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
ha. truth.
teh falcunz sux.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
That's more like it
I went to school there and loved going to sporting events (when you could still afford to attend and it was still relatively safe to go) I used to take the 1,2 or 3 up to Gray’s Papaya. There used to be a crazy guy there that never wore a shirt and he’d yell, “Can somebody help me out with a hot dog here?” Years later I saw him about a block away. Had my kids with me. Asked if he wanted a dog. “I don’t eat no fuckin’ hot dogs!” Daughter asked what was wrong with him. “Nothing baby…it’s New York”
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
hahahahaha. Well, you got the gist of it.
I live in Jersey, but go to the city quite often. Its a crazy place.
I support the Giants like bras support Kim Kardashian's boobs. It can be a struggle, we've had some jiggles, but we're still firm.
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 2, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah - we're not fans of homers or trolls
But if people want to speak about the game we all love, root for our team, but be realistic about the strengths and weakenesses of them, then welcome aboard.
we aint like the saints site
All they do is insult and refuse to acknowledge any teams strengths. when you win an argument with stats and knowledge they resort to more insults.
Saints suck!!!!!!!
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
by ATLsince1972 on Jan 2, 2012 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Since it usually comes down to turnovers
I like the fact that the Giants’ D line forces bad throws to generate TOs, but Ryan really doesn’t do bad throws. He’ll toss it into the stands first.
Sadly, screens would be the best way to beat that front four and…
Can we? Yes
Will we? Hopefully yes.
"Why don't you purify yourself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka?" - Prince
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Jan 2, 2012 3:10 PM EST reply actions
I thought you'd never mention their Defensive Line
I think the key for us to beat them is our O-Line play. If we contain them, and give Matt time to throw, we take them. If we play our pourous, turnstyle-type blocking, we could be in for a long afternoon. I’m cautiously optimistic, and I’m thrilled that we won’t have to play the Saints again this week. In fact, I think we could only meet again in the NFC Championship game…
Go Falcons! Go Lions.
I want a home game.
If I had a nickel for everytime someone told me I should shutup, I'd probably have 5 or 6 bucks.
by pchaucer on Jan 2, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
About our O-Line
In the first 7 games, the line gave up 18 sacks. Since the bye week (when some changes were made all around – Hawley to RG, Svitek to LT), they’ve given up 8 in 9 games and kept Ryan sack-free in four of those games. In fact, in those games, they only gave up more than one sack twice (3 against Carolina, 2 against the Vikings).
Keep in mind – that doesn’t speak to QB pressures or hits, which were still high compared to last year. But, it does appear adjustments that were made have been largely successful in keeping Ryan off of his back. It’s also showing in his passer rating: in the first seven games, Ryan had only one game with a passer rating over 100. In the last 9? He’s had 6.
you also have to account
for the fact we played the tougher part of our schedule early
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
That's part of it
But a good bit of the improvement can be credited to personnel changes. Svitek did a masterful job against Jared Allen – who was an absolute monster this year, recording 22 sacks.
O-Line and D-Line must show up.
If the O-line can hold up and give time for Matt to throw the ball, Falcons offense should be fine. The biggest problem on the defensive side is the DL, they must show up and not give lots of time for Eli Manning. In this league some receiver will get open if you give more than 4 or 5 seconds to the QB. Last but not the least Roddy should hold on to the balls.
It's all about Process...
We have to get the run game going and get a good start.
We absolutely cannot allow them to get into their package with four DEs on the field, because they will rip our OL to shreds. If we can stay out of that scenario, we have a great chance to win this game. Eli can make some terrific throws, but our bend but don’t break defense is perfectly suited to go against their offense. I’ve only watched a few games of theirs, but it seems to me they live and die by the big play. If we can limit that, and I think we can, we will have a good game.
Troubling thing is while talented
especially offensively, our game plan is likely to remain the same. We run the same thing over and over and when it doesn’t work the coaches say, “We didn’t execute” After four seasons everybody in the league knows what we’re going to do and we have an “Take what they give you” attitude. It hasn’t worked in the playoffs so far.
I don’t find the Giants unbeatable at all. But make no mistake the pressure is on the Falcon coaching staff and especially Matt Ryan. Said it before that if we don’t win next season all we’ll hear is “Yeah sure but they can’t beat anybody good” or “Guys like Tony Romo and Matt Ryan can’t win a big game” The Falcons can beat the Giants. They can beat the Niners and they can beat either the Saints or Packers. Do I expect this to happen? No.
We just don’t come out with attitude and during the playoffs you gotta’ do that.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
It seems like you guys are highly underrating the Giants..
The advantage at QB is exponentially bigger than the Falcons advantage at RB. The Giants WR’s are slightly better than the Falcons. TE isn’t even close, TG is the best ever and still a force. Then you look at the Giants pass rush. Our top 3 DE’s are all top 7 caliber DE’s in the NFL. With JPP and a healthy Tuck both being top 4. After JA, who do the Falcons really have?? Ray Edwards isn’t as good as people thought he was. Then you look at the secondary. Webster is the best CB on both teams but your overall secondary is probably better. And maybe it’s just because I don’t get to see a lot of Atlanta but Grimes has never been confused with Revis so I highly doubt he can shut down Cruz or Nicks. This game will hinge on two things. The Giants pass rush and the Falcons running game. Which ever one of those has a better day will more than likely determine the outcome. Regardless, I expect one helluva game.
So um, question
you say you don’t really see “a lot of Atlanta”, so I’m guessing 2, maybe 3 games a year. So where do you get your scouting report on the quality of individual players from?
Eh, not so much
Eli is good, but he is not “exponentially” better than Ryan. In fact, other than yardage, Ryan has had a comparable season. If you look at Total QBR, Ryan is #5 (behind Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Romo) while Eli is not even in the top ten. Don’t get me wrong – Eli is a very good QB, and should be considered elite. But to say the difference is exponential is just not backed up by the stats.
As for WR – the Giants have two good ones for sure, but neither Nicks or Cruz is up to Roddy White caliber. And Julio is a freak who is coming alive lately.
Giants definitely have the huge edge on the pass rush, but you’re greatly diminishing Grimes ability in the secondary. When we played the Lions, he played Calvin Johnson all game and limited him almost the entire game. Grimes is probably one of the most athletic players in the league and he can make many QBs make mistakes by underestimating him. You can be sure that if he’s healthy, he’ll be super-glued to Cruz all game.
I think just the opposite..........
I give the Giants the clear advantage at RB and the Falcons the clear advantage at QB. Jacobs and Bradshaw are a great 1-2 punch – the Falcons can’t match that. However, even though Eli has more experience, he’s also much more prone to mistakes than Ryan is. The Falcons have the clear advantage at receiver also………..but the game is going to be determined by which OL and DL shows up – it really is that simple.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Jan 2, 2012 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
On what are you basing that the Falcons have a "clear advantage at QB?"
Eli has almost 900 yards more than Ryan. That’s with the Giants offense being first in the NFL in dropped passes heading into Week 17. Eli should’ve blown by 30 TDs and 5,000 yards.
Eli is 5th in yards per attempt and 3rd in yards per completion. Ryan wasn’t even in the top-10 in either.
The Falcons had the 17th-ranked rush offense in the NFL while the Giants were dead last in rush offense. My point there is that Ryan had a lot more help from the run game than Eli, alleviating some of the pressure on Ryan’s shoulders to carry the offense.
The only clear advantage that I can see is that Ryan had 4 fewer INTs.
The Giants had a higher ranking in strength of schedule and strength of victory than Atlanta so it’s not as if Atlanta faced a harder schedule or did better against better opponents.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
Too simplistic
For the hypotheticals you listed, you can say the opposite and say that all those safeties ‘should’ have been able to tackle Victor Cruz on basic routes. You can throw that out.
Now, based on WPA and EPA, Eli has had the better year this year, though it isn’t by much, and I think the difference b/n the QBs, if anything, is negligible. It’s interesting that no one has mentioned Eli’s playoff experience and Super Bowl victory, which, if anything, is the main reason to favor Eli over Ryan at this point.
What hypotheticals?
I listed stats in real games.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
You implied hypotheticals
when you talked about drops (i.e. if the WRs catch those balls, then:)
Eli should’ve blown by 30 TDs and 5,000 yards
Likewise, I’m implying that on the handful of incredible plays Cruz made this year (those crazy long receptions), in almost every case, there was a terrible attempt at tackling (i.e, if the player makes the tackle, then:), then Eli doesn’t get all those yards he has. It balances out.
By the way, Matt Ryan has had to face his own share of dropped passes (Falcons also near the top with drops), so that’s another area in which this argument is insufficient for making a valid point.
Falcons are second
Giants are tied for 10th in drops
and that's why I rarely believe fans of other teams
when they bring up statistics. Not only do they cherry pick, but almost always their statistics are flat out wrong.
What's your source?
Here’s mine.
Holding on when it counts: The Giants’ receivers have had an issue with dropped passes this year. They are tied for the league lead with 31 drops. But according to ESPN Stats & Information’s “Next Level” numbers, 23 of those 31 drops have come in the first half of games. Their 23 first-half drops are five more than any other team has this year, but 22 teams have more than the eight drops the Giants have in the second half or overtime. So the Giants’ passing game does seem to correct itself as the game goes along. Those same “Next Level” stats say Giants quarterback Eli Manning was 4-for-11 with 8.6 yards per attempt when the Cowboys sent five or more pass-rushers in the first half of the Week 14 game in Dallas, but he was 8-for-11 with 12.7 yards per attempt and a touchdown against Dallas blitzes in the second half of that game.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
your own source disagrees with you
in the words of ESPN, C’mon man!
What are you talking about?
That’s with the Giants offense being first in the NFL in dropped passes heading into Week 17.
They are tied for the league lead with 31 drops.
I don’t see the disconnect but OK.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
and our own Rowdy Roddy White
leads the whole league, and I can say first hand that some of them have been down right awful. Correction Giants are tied for 7th, still not as bad as us.
I don't know which source is more accurate
but at least both of us had a legitimate source.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
neither, likely
It’s not a secret that there are different interpretations of what constitutes a drop. ESPN has their own information group they rely on for stats, and the WP is just as well-respected. Quite the disparity b/n the two, however.
I could have sworn I have herd
that Cleveland is miles ahead in drops, which is why I trust the one on the WP
I'm not sure how official the stat is
it probably varies since it’s a subjective stat
Well
When Hakeem Nicks drops 2 passes in the end zone, I can say that Eli would’ve had at least 31 TDs. When Cruz has 7 drops, including two that were 35 yards down field, I can say that Eli would’ve had at least 5,000 yards.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
And a win against the Bucs
how did Roddy drop that one
At least according to Ghostdini link from ESPN
The G-Men do their dropping in the first half, not with the game on the line.
made some just as bad against them yesterday
think he was just focusing on what was going to happen after he caught a hair too early.
At least 4. That’s been generous lol
by Kossart on Jan 3, 2012 12:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yards matter if you're Brees and the Saints
Matt Ryan has had fewer yards in victories, and he’s been more efficient while throwing for fewer yards – check the QBR, if you want, and base your judgement on that.
as for this:
The Giants had a higher ranking in strength of schedule and strength of victory
I agree about strength of schedule, but strength of victory is crap, and here’s why – the Giants won at Patriots, which is a feat, but… lost at home to the Hawks, were swept by the Skins, to name a few. So, your comment about strength of victory should be considered along with “strength of loss”. It really highlights just the inconsistency of the Giants as a team.
but hey, we’re almost as inconsistent!
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
by Gemini-RU on Jan 3, 2012 5:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can someone Scottish be sexy?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Explain you're reasoning for the "exponential" difference at QB
Just want to hear your reasoning.
And Grimes will shock you then, if you dont watch a lot of Atlanta games.
by FlyYouFalcons on Jan 2, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
1. Hakeem Nicks is our #1 WR
2. Cruz torched Nnamdi Asomugha.
I’d say it’s a toss-up
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 3, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Nnamdi had a bad year
He was a true cover corner put into a zone system. He got torched consistently due to being out of place.
ok, fine: he torched everybody.
point being, if Grimes is your best corner I think your coach would put him on Nicks.
nygmen123: Again, without Vick or Maclin, or Cromartie. Injuries don't seem to bother them. They just bring in guys to make plays
nygmen123: Stopped the Pats on the first series. Planted Brady twice. Guess what gang? This team isn't quitting. Or making excuses.
Simms-McC: Yeah -- I wish the Giants were more like the Eagles
nygmen123: In intensity and fight? Right now, so do I.
EAGLES LOSE, 38-20.
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 3, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
In reality, Grimes and Robinson will alternate
In the past, Smith lets them cover a side of the field. If Hicks rolls right, he’ll get Grimes. If he rolls left, he’ll get Robinson.
Can we (theoretically) beat them? Sure.
Anyone can beat anyone, any given Sunday, etc.
Will we beat them? I highly doubt it.
We don’t win on the road, we don’t beat division winners, and we play especially poorly outdoors.
However, none of those factors are nearly as important as this one: They have an excellent pass rush, and we have a bad offensive line. Given these factors, I’d be surprised if we kept it within 2 touchdowns.
Wow
are you really that afraid of a relatively mediocre 9-7 football team. I think both teams are very even and it should be a close one, but to count either team out before it’s been played is just foolish. The Giants have had a pass rush all year but have still given up 4000 yards and 400 points, both a fair bit worse than the Falcons.
Fear? No.
Seriously, did you even read my post? I said we could win, but it is unlikely given the circumstances. These are the facts. If you don’t like them, tough. Not counting them out and not afraid. Are the Giants elite? No, but they don’t have to be to beat us on the road.
Jeez. Homers.
Highly doubting we beat them
looks like fear to me. Sure they have a good pass rush but nothing outside of that on the defensive side of the ball, plus that pass rush has been there all year and the defense has been terrible all year.
We aren’t that terrible on the road and the Giants haven’t been that stout at home.
I never said we were going to win, but I don’t think the Giants have that big an advantage.
Are youa fan,are just bored!
Did you not hear,stats do not win games. Sometimes maybe yes,but how often are they wrong. Who wants it?
Stats obviously don't win games
but they are the best(only?) way to predict a game that hasn’t happened. How else can you judge a team or the game before it’s been played??
there's a difference between
using stats to say “well, MT will probably have more success running up the middle than off right tackle” or “Eli Manning will probably throw for 300 yards and 2 td’s”
and using stats to say “I highly doubt that the Falcons will win”
well for one,
there are on average over 500 plays per offense/defense per season. Assuming 50% run/pass ratio, that’s 250 plays of each type. In 250 plays, you can get some pretty good statistics about expected results of a play.
Extensions to multiple seasons are a little tough (personnel, coaching, etc. changes), but do give fairly believable results.
Wins/losses, particularly when limited to just away games, especially limiting it to outdoor games and/or against division winners, might have a sample size of 4 or 5. Extensions to multiple seasons are impossible, or do you want to say that there is any correlation between the play of the Falcons in the Vick era and the play of the Falcons now?
It’s like those people who use stats to argue that a certain player is the best in the league during the month of November because of his 6 games with a certain statistic. There might be a trend, and the trend might continue, but there’s not enough “counts” (if you will) to say with any sense of certainty.
It's statistics.
None of it is certain. It’s all about probability. No matter what your sample size, it’s never enough to say something definitively. No matter what happens now, there’s always a chance that something completely different could happen, but numbers are usually a pretty good way to estimate performance.
Trying to guess something like yards a player will gain because of a larger sample is still an exercise in futility. I want to estimate what matters: wins and loses. I mean, who cares if Turner rushes for -20 yards if we win the game?
Even if we played the Giants 300 times and won all of them, we still wouldn’t be able to guarantee a win this Sunday. Just because I say its unlikely doesn’t mean they can’t win, and certainly doesn’t mean I don’t want them to win. It’s a small sample, but even a small sample can be generalizable, especially when certain key elements stay the same (same coach, gm, owner, qb, coordinators, etc.) Besides, even if I used a large sample like yards per play, they would probably suggest the same thing (for example, that they outgain us on a per-play basis, and that the team that gains more per play usually wins. This may or may not be true. Just an example)
WT....??
It’s statistics. None of it is certain.
Statistics are an ABSOLUTE certainty. They are the numerical results of what has already happened, in the books, carved in stone (if you will).
Do they “garrauntee” ANY future result? Absolutely not!! But, given a big enough sample size (as stated by falconnuke) they can give very good “indicators” of “expected” results. The larger the sample size the better the odds of “expected” results; the smaller the size the lower the probability.
You can apply this to just about everything…anybody want to know why Casino’s make so much money. Statistical analysis of ALL given expected results on a sample size for any give game. The ones that favor the “House” are the ones that see the gaming floor, plain and simple.
Now I am not favoring one side or the other on this argument. All I am saying Starrk is th
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Crap...hit "post" on accident...
…is that stats do tell a story and are really good “predictability indicators”.
How do you think Billy Bean made a winning organization out of the Oakland A’s…with nowhere near the money of the “Big Teams” and using this model the White Sox and Red Sox have both won WS Championships…with pure “Statistical Analysis”…just saying…
Also, sorry about the spelling above…didn’t get a chance to check it before I boo boo’ed…lol
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
statistics are not an ABSOLUTE certainty
and Starrk is 100% in saying that none of it is certain. That’s why there are upsets. That’s why there are those outliers where the best defense in the NFL gives up 500 yards passing (hypothetical). I suggest you read up a little bit on Statistics
Your correct...my bad
“Statistics” …is not what I am talking about. Just the numbers used “in” them. There would be nothing to draw probabilities from without the numbers already producted.
I mispoke myself Starrk, thanks for correcting me falconnuke…
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
They haven't had a healthy pass rush until now
This is the healthiest that the D-line has been all season long. Sunday was only the 6th time that the entire unit played together and was the first time that players were actually healthy enough to be themselves.
Team Ghost: Manningham, Sintim, Beckum, Barden, JPP, Anvil, Ross
Tom Coughlin: "Respect all. Fear none."
You have no hope
Statistics don’t give you the winner of the game,any team can be beat,look at where Green Bay came from last year. What seed were they! I thought so,Atlanta beat them early on in the year but what happened in the nfc championship. Stop sticking to statistics,“Any Given Sunday”.
hey hey
They have an excellent pass rush, and we have a bad offensive line
are you telling us that the Hawks, Eagles, and Skins (twice!) have had a better oline and were better prepared to play the Giants?
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Is it just me, or does it seem like every time we get an easy win, the team seems to come out over confident and under prepared the next week?
Q: If not us, who? If not now, when? A: The Batman. And "when you least expect it."
It's just you
I mean look how we handled the Bucs first time around. I know what you mean and it’s something that I think is particular to this season.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
I do not agree!
I think it is the philosophy of the coaches that we have,playing each game with the same desire,I know things go wrong but you don’t make the adjustments to counteract that you will continue to go through this week after week. (mindset). We need coaches with attitudes,and proven results.
Rise up your game!!
Now is this team to really show cohesion and really show everyone that they belong,because we all know we have the talent,maybe not the right coaching. Consistence is the key right now,every second,minute and play counts,there is no room for any more letdowns or mistakes, We have to play mistake free football,not 1 or 2 quarters but the whole game,something that we definitely have not done. I don’t
know about anyone else but I know that there isn’t a team out there that we can’t honestly play with the right coaching,and schemes,we have been to predictable,and everyone knows it.I miss the days of old,the gritz blitz,the year we first made it to the big dance,and I know we can do it again. We would have avenged the defeat by green bay earlier,if not for bad coaching decisions. We had then until the second half,Van Gorder and co fouled up,We need to have pizzazz,fire,quick strike ability and stop being conservative. We seriously lack that killer instinct as well,( continue to floor the accelerator when we have the lead. We need to not only rise up but stay up with the elite teams,New Orleans is not that much better than we are,I know this and I have faith that very soon this team will make it ,and win it all. It could be this year,it is not to late. “Remember, Any given Sunday.”Mark my word,but this team has to really want it,there is no tomorrow.
pass rush both ways will be key
The giants pass rush can be dominant like we saw against the cowboys last night. But at other times it can seem like JPP is the only player trying to play on their whole defense. We need to control their rush and we should be fine on O. We need to create pressure with our pass rush and force Eli to make some mistakes.
by jmpecker on Jan 2, 2012 6:08 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
true,but what falcons team is going to show up
The predictable one ,or a new improved one,that is geared towards taking the Lombardi to the House
What the fans want to see.
The team that most predicted to make a run this year,and take the championship. We are long overdue in Atlanta,we want this ,and I hope this team wants it even badder.
I could see
either of these teams winning and going on to make some noise in the playoffs. Reality is that the NYG are playing at home and should be the (Vegas) favorites in this matchup. I say that to check some of the unbridled enthusiasm I see here that is chalking Sun up as an autowin. That’s a dangerous mindset no matter the opponent.
Now, looking at the losses and close games the NYG have had, it’s clear to see that the struggle against teams that execute and eliminate their own mistakes. Furthermore, it’s crucial that BVG figures out some way to get Eli to move around in the pocket back there. Yes, he’ll occasionally make the great play (often helped out tremendously by WRs that know how to adjust to balls in the air), but he’ll make a boneheaded play just as often.
The similarities of these teams are not just in their respective units, but also in the baffling appearances they make from week-to-week. Drops, inconvenient penalties, questionable coaching decisions, and a lack of adjustments are major parts of the season for both teams. Instead of a single unit, I think the game is going to be decided by which team actually want to win and can eliminate it’s affinity for questionable decisions and mistakes.
by KMarch on Jan 2, 2012 6:33 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
BAM!!! (^^^THIS^^^)
And there you have it folks…couldn’t have said it better!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Short and precise.
Legitimate point at the end,who really wants it.
Wow, this is a whole lot of discussion...
for a question with a simple answer…
YES…YES WE CAN!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
YES WE ARE
No Doubt,now who is next on the list. We will see a team that we have not seen all year in the playoffs,our real falcons. Watch ,and believe
if.......
if the falcons can hold ny to only 3 sacks on ryan, and if turner can rush for 100 + yards the falcons will win this game easily.
keys for ATL
-establish the run early and often against new yorks average rush defence.
-protect matt ryan
-get after the giants oline and punish eli
-after that play falcons football and it should be reletivley easy from there.
if the falcons can address 2 of these 4 things they will win, if they can address all of them it will be reminscencent of the bucs game
I think the Falcons can and probably will beat the Giants
The Giants have a terrible running game this season (last in the league at the start of week 17), while the falcons run it better. Thus, they’ll be able to keep “Elite Eli” on the sidelines with long drives and eventually use the play action with White, Jones and TG to burn the Giants secondary (As Saints fans, we’ve seen that work many times).
It’ll be close, because Eli is playing great football lately but in the end Falcons will probably win.
Of course, it pains me to say that, becausei ‘m a Saints fan :-) but that’s how I see it! Get ready to take on the Packers in round 2! (assuming Saints beat the Lions!)
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
Pretty reasonable assessment I think
I really think this game is predicated on establishing our run so that the Giants pass rush (by far their best attribute as a team, at least on defense) is negated and they can’t sell out on Matty passing the ball.
I think (though as a Falcons fan, I don’t like to admit it) you guys will handle the Lions pretty handily. I hate to think what Brees can do to the Lions if Matt Flynn with no Jennings can do that to them. Hopefully we’ll meet again in the NFC championship game
"The Dos Equis guys want me to be the least interesting man in the world" - Drama
by BravesDawg16 on Jan 2, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for a nice post from a Saint's fan
The only thing I will disagree with is that Eli really isn’t playing all that great right now, 2 of his last 3 weeks have been TERRIBLE. Matty has been the hotter QB, the run game has been okay and the Giants struggle against the run, and the Falcons defense has been more consistent with only one truly bad game all year.
The great equalizer will be the fact it’s in New York and if there is some weather that would be a huge advantage for them. I see it playing out pretty close with the Falcons winning by a TD. Something like 24-17.
Make that 2 bad games
the defense was real bad against the Bears week 1
after reading through all this
i hope the falcons undersestimate eli and the receivers as much as you guys do.
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 3, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions
what did you expect to see in the Falcons blog?
everybody panicing to see our team face Eli? even it were true, you’re picking the wrong Manning.
I am more than sure that you’d see exactly the opposite on the Giants blog. things like Ryan doesn’t belong in the elite QB conversation, etc.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
if i were playing the giants the ONLY thing i would be scared of is eli manning
we have 0 running game… our o line played like a pop warner squad all year long… our defense got torched all year long, and we only got a pass rush these past two weeks because tuck was healthy and osi was healthy. this team would be 2-14 if not for eli manning and victor cruz, and to just collective think that grimes will “shut it down” is ridiculous.
by The Blood of Eli on Jan 3, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
Be honest about Eli
He has been absolutely brilliant in many games this year – including against the Packers.
But he’s also had some brutally dreadful games – such as the recent 3INT debacle against the Redskins.
It’s not that we as fans don’t respect Eli, he’s just not Brees/Rodgers dangerously consistent. Even Giants fans lament the inconsistency of the team.
I don't think it's unfair to suggest that Grimey will do a good job against Cruz/Nicks
It’s the rest of the secondary I’m concerned about. Grimes has been a borderline elite corner for the last couple of seasons now.
I tend to agree with you that Eli has basically carried that team. The problem, as DW alluded to, is that when he goes off the rails he goes off the rails mightily. I don’t expect that to happen against the Falcons.
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Offense
Atlanta’s offense is one of the best in the NFL, unfortunately, team management hasn’t paid any attention to the teams defense, My Birthday wish is Mr Blank and co would contact former Bucs coach Morris and offer him a job—————————— to handle Atlanta’s defense
Judging from Sunday's Game
I’d be a little suspect of that move.
I don't want Morris anywhere near this football team
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Raheem Morris as a head coach, has been dreadful at keeping his team focused
but how many times have we seen horrendous head coaches that actually make really good coordinators??? case and point: Wade Phillips (from Dallas to Houston) or even Gregg Williams (From Bills to Redskins, Jags and now Saints)
I think he might not be such a terrible choice!
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