Peace Out Homie: Michael Turner Done as a Falcon?
by James Rael on Jan 17, 2012 11:23 PM EST
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In this series, we're taking a look at some of the free agents who may look for greener grass, like on the other side and stuff.
My guess? He's not going anywhere. He's an asset. An asset we can't easily replace.
But - if I have to play devil's advocate - here are the top five reasons he won't return this fall:
(5) His trade value is peaking
Hard to imagine it will ever be much higher. And let's be honest, we're desperate for draft picks, because of you-know-who. Damn you Julio! Damn you!
(4) Koetter's offensive philosophy will decrease his value
The Touchdown Vampire is due $7,500,000 in 2012. I'm told that's a lot of money. If we deviate from the run-first paradigm, then is it really worth it to pay him that much? I'm undecided.
(3) He's getting fat, and old
OK. I have no empirical proof. But he's a big boy. Metabolism slows as you age. He's aging. To be honest, he probably won't get fat, though he did following the '08 campaign.
(2) Snelling/Rodgers deserve a bigger role
I seriously doubt Snelling will fill a similar role next year. He'll demand a bigger role or leave. Rodgers had an exciting rookie campaign. We need to draft and/or sign and/or artificially construct Burner's replacement at some point.
(1) Dave smells like asparagus extract
Enough said.
There ya go. The long and short of it. Discuss!
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Probably going to stay
Just not sure if he should
"Derek Lowe's Contract Has Stopped Looking Like a Retard Got Lost in a Pen Factory.".......wait.....nevermind
Why on earth...
would they do that with one of the best Fullbacks in the league in Ovie
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Because I had nothing constructive to add to the conversation
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 18, 2012 4:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Haha...gotcha...
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Get rid of him.
I’ve personally never been a fan of spending big money on a RB even when their production is good. RBs are easy to replace and don’t make a team great anymore. Look at guys like Peterson, MJD, Chris Johnson, and Stephen Jackson. All great backs on bad teams. Plus, I believe that Snelling is a better back at this point of his and Turners careers. Almost everytime snelling carried the ball, he broke at least a tackle or two and fought for extra yards. Turner has been a great player, but he’s simply not worth that much money and his value to this team dimishing significantly. Trade em for a pick or two is what I say.
by dirtybird in ak on Jan 17, 2012 11:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i agree
Snelling run harder and is a better catcher, especially with da screen plays we’re trying to install
by jgreedy on Jan 18, 2012 4:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We could use ovie more in goal line situations
Plus he can catch better than MT out the backfield.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 11:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I say dangle him and see how much we can pick up for him in terms of draft picks
But it’s clear we are unable to feature as promenantly as we have. His performance in big games bear this out. Can’t wait to see Quizz more integrated into the offense
We need a NT
and Turner loves cheeseburgers
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by a hooter's baby on Jan 17, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Seems committed
Based on his tweet today. He was angry but now getting refocused for next year.
I think if he's used correctly, he's still an asset
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Maybe he can gain a couple more pounds and learn NT
(sarcasm/killing 2 birds with one stone)
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Damn
At 7.5mil we could almost get Nicks(I’m guess 8-9mil per) who would help the run game more than keeping Turner around would. Love what Turner has done for the Falcons but that is just to much for an RB of his skills in my opinion.
Payoff either way you go
If we keep him it’ll be a seasoned veteran on a team and in a position that could use his leadership. If we let him go other teams will stop play calling for a run game so much putting more pressure on our pass game, but we would in turn free up some cap space and maybe get a good trade or a better draft choice. I think in the coaches eyes it is more of a gamble letting him go. So I see the Falcons keeping him and staying with the safer bet on this one.
by CombatFalcoholic on Jan 18, 2012 12:58 AM EST reply actions
Snelling and Quizz make him expendable.
I think we’d be better off using that $7.5 million elsewhere. If not for the other two backs, I’d probably say keep him, but those guys are perfectly capable and we could use the money to upgrade our offensive line and defensive line.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
Well Michael Turner is hitting the 3 0 mark and that is typically
when RB’s began their decline. However I must say some of you guys are lousy a$$ Falcon fans this guy has done nothing but avg over 4.5 yards a carry for 4 yrs, score 50 TD’s in 4 yrs(Falcon record), make the Pro Bowl and All-Pro and you guys talk about the guy like he had stats like Brian Finneran. Who said Michael Turner was even a free agent?? Some of you were sooo heart broken when they finally ran Finneran out of town and that bum barely put up a noticeable stat in 10 yrs so WTF. I get what some of you are all about your Falcon fans alright, your fans of certain Falcons. Turner can get out of town but Biermann oh keep him he tries sooo hard. Roddy trade his a$$ but aww Bear Woods I love his name. Eric Weems garbage but Kerry Meier could be the next Finneran…really people the next Finneran, which means what? NOTHING! All of these fat jokes make you sound just like what writers in other cities call you…fickle a$$ fake fans. And anybody who thinks Jason Snelling is a better RB than Michael Turner is even now at almost 30 knows squat about the position. Snelling was given the chance to walk last yr because he thought he was THAT guy the problem was not one team out of the other 31 shared his belief so he came crawling back to a 1 yr deal. Question for you so called Falcon fans . Who was the 3rd leading rusher in the NFL for the 2011 season? Do you even know. Who in their right mind just throws that away?
by Kushion on Jan 18, 2012 1:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Goodness gracious....
Please forgive me for not qualifying my statement by first acknolwedging my appreciation for the production Turner has given the Falcons over the past four years. I forgot that in order to express an opinion, one must first prove that they are not a “fake a$$ fan”.
Michael Turner has done great things as a Falcon. He’s been an integral part of this franchise during it’s turnaround over the past four years. I enjoyed watching him and cheering for him while he was a Falcon. I’ll be sad when his days as a Falcon inevitably come to an end.
That said, the Falcons can get adaquate production out of Snelling and Rodgers for a small fraction of the price. This team has needs on the offensive and defensive line, and if there’s any hope of improving those areas of the team this offseason, we will need to commit money to free agents. Because we have suitable replacements behind him, and because the money owed to him would be better spent elsewhere, I personally believe that the best course of action for the Falcons is to trade Turner, use Snelling and Rodgers at running back, and use the money saved to improve other areas of our team.
That said, I’m not saying the Falcons will make this decision, and I’m not saying they’d be stupid not to. It’s just my opinion.
For pete’s sake, can we please refrain from questioning the fandom of other posters just because they disagree on a certain issue? I haven’t played Madden NFL in over five years, by the way.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
You
forgot to mention all of those “fake a@@ fans” that prefer Vick to Ryan. So you can just STFU.
by Humphry, Nobis, Tilliman, Zook on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hey H.O.P. LOL
Don’t make a command on a blog that you would not stand a chance of following thru on in person now. BTW just so the four of your personalities know I did not prefer Vick over Ryan, you see I am able to step outside of that box that you are obviously by your remarks, still held captive by.
Let's not fight, kids
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I'll kick your ass right now.
Watch that mouth.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
LOL
I think you missed the point.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Nothing is funnier
or more lame than an internet badass. Maybe you could whoop all kinds of ass in “real” life, maybe you’re a 140 pound weakling. Guess what? Nobody around here gives a damn- that’s the point. When you said this
Don’t make a command on a blog that you would not stand a chance of following thru on in person now.
what were you referring to? His saying STFU? While I consider it to be bad form, I hardly think he was challenging you to a street fight as your response would suggest. Just settle down and talk some football- you can measure your, um, junk in other venues.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Agreed...just simply no place for that here!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
All
sorry, I didn’t realize my initial comment would cause such a turmoil. I just always liked Finn and K hit a nerve with that "fake a$$ fan" referance. As my screen name implies, I have been a Falcon fan for a looong time. I do have problems spelling names sometimes.
by Humphry, Nobis, Tilliman, Zook on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Because I truly believe we can debate what we think
should happen to our players without calling them fat or other negative terms.
Actually you are the one coming off as the "bully"
No one has even mentioned your name yet you use profanity and try to dictate how I should respond to someone else. Now if you were to simply SU, mind your business and let men resolve verbal debates as men we could move on. I know I have.
And you just told me to shut up.
Hypocrisy takes the cake.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I have felt great all along.
In fact, I was thoroughly amused by your internet tough guy act.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh wow - I see what you did
You’re making this a RACE thing? Undeniably, there are folks who rooted for those players – but I don’t think it’s about race.
Finneran – you’re right, he was never a stats guy. He was just a hard worker and someone that acted as a mentor to the younger receivers. He had great hands and a great attitude.
Bear – I loved his attitude and energy, but you’re right, he just didn’t have it.
Meier – I think Meier has the potential to be a great possession receiver.
As for Weems, he has done well in special teams, but not much else. He’s non-existant as a receiver. Someone like Dominique Franks has great return skills and has upside as a CB. This is a football decision, not a race thing.
As for Roddy, I love the guy. He is the best receiver the Falcons have had. However, we now need to make improvements in several other areas. The best way to do that is through free agency and the draft. And sometimes, you trade great players to plan for the future. The 49ers did it when they traded Montana. The Braves did it when they traded Murphy. This would be a football decision, not a race thing.
As for Turner, again – great player and probably one of the best Falcons RB ever. But he’s 30 and he’s taking up cap space. He is showing signs of slowing down and he is not a great pass catcher. Depending on what kind of offense is installed, he just may not be a good fit anymore. If he’s not, you can’t hold onto players for sentimental reasons. Trading him would be a football decision, not a race thing.
I get that losing Turner and/or Roddy would be painful – I’d hate to see it happen – but these are the things that happen in sports. It’s a part of the business and it’s necessary to keep a winning franchise on the field. Realizing this – and supporting it – does not make someone a fake a$$ fan.
If you want people to respect your arguments or listen to what you have to say, you should try using logic and reason. Resorting to name calling or race-baiting is just weak-minded and destroys whatever argument you’re trying to make.
by The DW on Jan 18, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for proving my argument. Also did I mention anything regarding race??
You clearly DON’T see what I did.
Seriously?
I didn’t prove your argument. You needn’t mention race when you pointed out 3 pairings of white and black. If you didn’t intend this, then you need to double-back and see if there’s something subliminal going on there.
And to be clear – I actually agree with some of what you said. You’re dead on about Snelling – he didn’t get bites in free agency for a reason. You’re also right about not “throwing away” what Turner did.
But don’t play the “I didn’t say race” card when you clearly drew up examples that heavily implied it. It’s called entrapment and further discredits anything you say.
If it's has a subliminal effect on you then maybe that's something you should address within yourself.
I mentioned players and how they are viewed by a portion of Falcon fans. LMAO so now there is a “race card” and a “I didn’t play the race card”. WOW you just make this sh$#@ up as you go don’t you. I’ll bet my balls we could stand in the same room and no one here could tell which one was which except there probably being a considerable size difference. You see it’s your problem that when I mentioned these players the ONLY thing you saw was the racial context. If these players were all green my point would still remain true and that is some Falcon fans like certain Falcon players. I know it’s hard for you to understand because it’s something you can’t help but do. See everything in terms of race.
You know nothing
You speak with an arrogance that is built off of things that fade. Good luck with that in the future.
You should make no assumptions about me, how I see the world, and what my stature is. I won’t bother to give you the details, but I can hold my own sir – I just don’t feel the need to flaunt it as a valuable trait. The fact that you’ve done so repeatedly tells me everything I need to know about you.
You started the assumptions and wrongfully so.
There is however much appreciation for the well wishes. I wish you all luck as well.
HAHA - well played
I know you intended sarcasm, but I’ll choose to end this argument on a positive.
Best of luck to you.
SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
you guys are funny
you wanna see us regress as an offense, let this guy get away
he is a top 5 Back in this League and his numbers over the past 4 yrs show it to be so…
the guy still has gas…..
let him play out his contract, hes a team guy, he may even redo his contract to help us if we ask him too ….
I would feel alot better about this new offense , knowing Turner is in the lineup….so will our new OC….
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I have to excuse them their a bunch of Madden playing kids that know not WTF they are talking about.
And I don’t doubt Turner would be willing to redo his contract but the lack of loyalty here is a down right disgrace.
loyalty?
Loyalty has to little to no place in the professional sports world. Football is a what(say it with me now) bus-i-ness…
Turner is a good RB. I don’t think we should trade him for the sake of making a trade, but if the right deal is there, pull the trigger. Not many players on this team are irreplaceable. Matty Ice, Gonzo, and either one of our stud WR’s, outside of that, I say everybody is on notice/available. Do we want a loyal team, or do w want a championship? I know my answer…
by birdwatch on Jan 18, 2012 2:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And what’s with all the Madden hate? Just cuz u play a football videogame that removes any validity from ur opinion?
by birdwatch on Jan 18, 2012 2:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Strike that touchdown pose Al Bundy!
by aces666high on Jan 18, 2012 2:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Don't forget to put up your career warrior stats from Pop Warner days on! :)
by aces666high on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Aww, thanks Kushion!
Feminine? Sigh…that’s the best you could do? One too many concussions from your war days I gues.
All in good fun Kush, all in good fun!
The NFL 3rd leading rusher will get you a hell of a lot closer to that ring than Snelling ever will.
The NFL's 3rd leading rusher, along with the rest of the team didn't get us anywhere near a SB this year ;)
15 rushes for 41 yards does not a championship help get. Maybe next year when he’s the leagues 3rd leading rusher again.
Not entirely
but RB is a position with high turnover. Paying an older back with lots of miles and nagging injuries who may not fit a new scheme might not be the best way to do things.
by Hutch11 on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, no, no. I think you've missed the point of the entire thread
James just asked a basic what would u do kind of open question. People have posted it already but I’ll say it again. Football is a business first. If it weren’t Keith Brooking would still be failing to cover TE’s, Steve Bartkowski wouldn’t have been released and end his career as a ram and Abe would have a nice, big 3-4 year contract waiting for him to sign because the guy has been our entire pass rush the past few years.
I only made that silly comment about the giant game because you made the silly comment about getting closer w/the leagues 3rd best rusher. We didn’t get close. Is it MT’s fault? Hell no! Did he contribute to the debacle? Yes! Just like the rest of the guys on that sideline. Could we get closer w/someone else? Maybe. Is that guy Snelling? Probably not.
7.5 is a big number for a 1 dimensional back who, thanks to the staff, is banged up by the end of the season, but I’m not going to cry when he’s still around next season. I’d love it if his contract was re worked a bit. Highlight of the season was Turner flinging Weems at opposing players.
by aces666high on Jan 18, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And that is MT's fault?
I am amazed that people throw MT under the bus for games like one against the NYG’s. The OL sucked all year long. The “M” in MT does not stand for Moses. Turner could not make holes where they didn’t exist. To be honest ATL’s OL hasn’t been that good for the past four years. MM sucked at run play design and he always has.
MT’s performance has been due to his ability and drive. The OL and MM did very little to help him out.
How does Snelling and Quizz in any way make MT expendable? Snelling has not played a full season at RB his entire career so there is not way to gauge his durability or performance. Quizz got screwed this season so we’ll have to wait and see.
Yes but he is getting up there in age
And if your selling out for MT then you are essentially giving up on MR. There is no way MR and MT can prosper together. The amount of touches MT needs doesn’t coexist with the MR we want. The “elite” MR.
This is a passing league and to keep MT they would have to cut his touches tremendously. When they could ship him out(while he still has value) and prep for the future.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't agree
especially with a scheme change. MT needed so many touches because eventually the OL would block more than one DL and open up a hole. I think MT would love to have fewer carries per game.
Wasn't throwing him under the bus mwalex
It was a bad game for everyone. The line was brutal all season but MT, with an assist to the line, became a tentative back, who instead of taking the 3 yards up the middle began to stretch the play to the sidelines and gain one. He’s not a “gain the edge” back but started to look like one. The line can have 70% of that blame but he did change as a back. Hell, give another 15% to the staff overusing him!
The guy is a damn solid back but he’s also part of a dying breed. The one back backfield. One of those guys who needs volume to get going. When he does, watch out! But when he doesn’t, his somewhat below average hands as a receiver don’t help.
The funny thing is, I really like Turner! I’m only arguing this because I’m looking at it from a pipe dream standpoint. If I was the GM, what would I do?
Depends on scheme
MT success has more to do with MM schemes. There is no way DK uses MT the same way MM did. DK will implement I assume more of a passing attack. We will be transforming into a pass 1st off(which will tell us if Ryan is our QB of the future) and lessen MT’s value.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
ATL has been pass first for the past two season though
I think DK will make ATL a more effective passing team. Turner might not fit into that system.
Will always be grateful for what Turner did for the organization
However this is a business, with a salary cap, and 7.5mil is a lot for any back. Turners age, carries, and nagging injuries are catching up in what is the most physical position in the game. If he wants to rework his contract and stay I’m all for it, but I find it hard to see anyway he can live up to that price.
Amen again.
I was at a sports bar watching the Falcons / Giants game and a guy sitting right next to me was wearing a#7 Falcons jersey and when you knew the game was over he sent a text to someone saying Falcons suck. That stuck in my craw if you know what I mean.
I did some quick sleepy time number crunching so this is all just big time what if but,
The season we lost Turner for a chunk of the season I took every game that Snelling had at least 10 carries and averaged out his numbers both running and recieving if he had played the whole season as a starter. Roughly he would have ended up w/272 carries, 1104 yards, 8 TD’s, 46 catches, 366 yards. Ok numbers, but keep in mind RB’s only have to average 60 something yards to hit 1000. Would he have hit anywhere near those numbers? Who knows. He had one great game that season as a starter and a couple of just ok ones. Then again, even if he was in the ballpark, they’re decent numbers.
Turner is a very good back, not great but very good. He usually feasts on poor to average teams and comes up small against tough opponents. 7.5 million is a big number for a guy who is relegated to the sidelines if we fall behind by two TD’s. I like MT and chances are, he’s not going anywhere but if comrade could get that number down a bit it’d be great. The days of the one back backfield are pretty much done. 2 and 3 backs are becoming the norm and the few teams that still have a single primary back, they are very involved in the passing game. Turner, for some reason is not. It wasn’t just here either. SD didn’t use him that way and they do use RB’s a ton in their pass attack. Tolbert, who is basically MT 2.0, is usually their 3rd down back, no matter what the yardage.
by aces666high on Jan 18, 2012 2:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
MT 2.0, featuring Stickum
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
Just can't understand why the rest of the league could not figure this out when he was a FA last year.
Maybe they should have had you crunch your sleepy time numbers. LOL
by Kushion on Jan 18, 2012 2:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha!! I am available for consults!
I think he didn’t get signed simply because he is an ok back. Nothing more. Those numbers I sleepy timed are ok numbers, but numbers any of a dozen or more backs can get. The one upside? You’re paying 7th rounder money for it, which sadly, comes into play. He’s a better receiver than MT but not a better RB. All this being said. MT is back next season. Period.
The Saints ran the ball much better than we did
and they don’t have a single RB in the top 20 in rushing yards. Yes, it’s past time to cut the cord with Turner, open up the passing game, and move to a RB committee like most of the successful franchises. Get yourself a solid rookie in the third or fourth to go with Quizz and Snelling. LaMichael James is a name that’s expected to still be around then, for example.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
James is itty bitty.
We need a strong back. We already have a small guy.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 18, 2012 7:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We also have a bruiser.
But Vick Ballard is another name that might suit one’s fancy, or the Martin kid from Boise.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Cyrus Gray
Or even Isaiah Pead. There are a couple RB’s we could draft. Plus we still have Ovie.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And what condition do you think Ovie will be in next season?
His knee was shredded. Ovie next season might not be the Ovie we’ve known in the past.
Then use cox were talking 3-6 yards max.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Ovie is a cap casualty
Blown out knee+last year of contract+pretty high # for a FB= not good for Ovie. Ovie is a beast, he was criminally underused in this offense. He could have easily put up 200-300 rushing yards and the same recieving.
That is a very good point...
about Ovie…hadn’t really figured that into my thinking…till now!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
This was my thought.
New Orleans has a scat back (Sproles) a brusier (Ingram) and a couple of guys in between. None of them are feature backs. None get a ton of carries, but they all force teams to change their looks constantly.
The difference, I suppose, is that Turner makes more than those guys (I may be wrong).
Do you know why NO ran the ball better than ATL?
Because their passing game was more effective. That had nothing to do with their RB’s.
That too.
Spending huge cap money on a RB who can’t catch hardly supports a strong passing game, wouldn’t you agree? Now a real pass protector on the line might…
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Jan 18, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is only part of the equation
Throwing the ball to a RB doesn’t loosen up the defense nearly as much as throwing down field to WR’s. NO’s running game would be just as efficient if their RB’s hadn’t been thrown to nearly as frequently. It is related to Ryan’s adjusted yards per pass.
No it doesn't.
You conveniently left out the main point of the post, which is the cap number.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It all goes together though.
Can’t open the passing game if you can’t block. Can’t get a veteran lineman with no money.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
by J Tadpole on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There will be plenty of case next season
ATL is going to let some big names go. Dropping Baker would open up a good bit of money.
Still don't need to spend $7.5MM on one RB
when I can get three for less than that and play them equally.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Sure, you can play them equally
But, equally does not mean they’ll play well.
I could care less what ATL does with the RB situation as the scheme is going to be different. As people have pointed out MT’s big liability is receiving so he might be on his way elsewhere.
But blocking better for them would likely offset the difference
while aiding the pass game as well.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I think the door swings both ways on what loosens a D up more
If u just dump off all the time, D instinctively creeps in, throw long, vice versa. If you do both well, they can’t cheat either way leaving holes for all attacks to exploit.
Oh and Darren Sproles
caught 86 balls for 700 yards and 7 TDs. I’d say the RBs had something to do with the passing game being more effective.
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by J Tadpole on Jan 18, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Cutting people to free up cap space.
Doesn’t work like that. Bi lateral agreements can’t just be terminated on a whim. There is still an obligation to perform the duties within the contract. Unless someone is willing to pick up the tab then we are stuck and whatever guaranteed money is due turner will count against the cap.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 18, 2012 7:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is why I'm suggesting a trade
If we can’t get anything for Turner (a very realistic possibility), then we should definitely keep him. Paying for his cap space and not using him would be foolishness.
Reportedly MT got $15MM guaranteed
and a $5MM salary. Since he has completed four of the six years on his deal, only $5MM of the $15MM still has to be accounted for. If the Falcons cut him after June 1 they could split that between this year and next, saving $5MM in cap room for this year. Personally, I think that $5MM could be better spent elsewhere.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I agree with your math.
And can’t understand all the trade talk; he’s old, expensive, and at this point is simply not a dynamic player. Who would give up more than a 5th rounder for him?
I do think that if he has a great OLine he could be very productive, and in a place like SF he could be very valuable – as a short yardage runner and as insurance for Frank Gore’s annual injury. But that doesn’t mean they’ll be willing to sacrifice draft picks for him.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
Yeah, his 15 million was guaranteed in the form of a signing bonus
Meaning that money is gone, and that 5 million (2.5 million for 2012 and 2013) will be allocated against the cap regardless of whether we cut him or not. We’d save the base salary of 5 million in each year only. At that price, I’d keep him on one more year, then maybe cut or trade him prior to 2013.
In other news, has this site been taken over by mouthbreathers? I had to scroll down 300 comments to get a comment that 1) had actual information, and 2) seemed to involve the American Football team known as the Atlanta Falcons.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 18, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
All sound points that are worthy to be considered for the Falcons. However, I think he stays and that he should. Every-down running backs of his caliber don’t grow on trees, and I wouldn’t get rid of him until we know we have a capable replacement. However much we pass and open up the offense next year, if we don’t pound the rock at least some, we’re doomed.
Plus, he just did turn 30, right? His production should decrease somewhat starting next year, but I don’t think he is immediately going to drop off the cliff.
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 18, 2012 8:37 AM EST reply actions
There's a reason every-down backs don't exist much now.
Teams see no use for them. You can get equal or better production from a committee, always have fresher legs in the backfield, and be better suited to absorb injuries at the position.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
fair point
There’s more than one way of doing things, I suppose. If you look at the four teams left in the playoffs, two have every-down backs (Ravens-Rice and 49’ers-Gore) while the Giants and Pats, what running games they actually have is by committee (Giants-Jacobs/Bradshaw, Patriots-uhh whomever, I don’t feel like looking it up).
I’m still a believer in the bruising back, though, to some degree. However, I wouldn’t argue against a committee approach, with Quiz as our Sproles-clone.
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 18, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
which...come to think of it!
Is going to make this weekend’s games pretty interesting. Old school vs. new school football. 49’ers and Ravens have good, not great QB’s and they pound the rock. Pats and Giants have elite quaterbacks that sling it all over the field.
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 18, 2012 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
Which is why this is probably our last chance to get a draft pick out of Turner
Turner is one of my favorite Falcons (after DeCoud and Ryan). There is no denying the impact he has had on our franchise. I may not be the smartest guy in the world but I know two things: Football is a business and RB’s decline when they hit the dreaded 3-0. This will probably be the last chance for ATL to get a draft pick for a guy who’s towards the end of a great career. Plus, I’m going to guess Koetter will draw up more screens and pass plays to the RB’s. I’ll also guess that Turner won’t be on the receiving end of those passes. With Turner taking up 7.5 mil of the 2012 cap, it doesn’t make alot of football sense to pay a guy that much when his time on the field will be split with other RB’s. I think its much easier to find a decent RB than a stud O-lineman so if trading Turner gets us closer to shoring up the O-line through FA, its the right football decision to make.
by leonw92 on Jan 18, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Bing. Oh.
I’d green this myself if I could.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Test the trade market, either way help the O-Line.
Love ‘em or hate ’em Turner is a beast. The 3RD leading rusher in the NFL and that’s with the O-Line we have now!! Unless we can get the #2 leading rusher (Ray Rice), who’s a free agent after this season, it’s not going to make any difference until we address the Offensive Line. This off-season, the only move we need to make on Offense is to address the line. All the other pieces are in place. Carl Nicks and/or maybe Ben Grubbs would be ideal free agents to make life easier for Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, and not to mention Dirk Koetter.
by Stu! on Jan 18, 2012 8:50 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
We have blasted the O-Line all year...
… and we lost Mughelli in game 7, and MT33 STILL managed to be the #3 rusher in the league.
I’d love to see what the Vampire can do with a real run blocking scheme set up, where big assed linemen hit some linebackers in the face. Let some safeties and CB’s try to tackle Turner more often – then 30 won’t look so old.
3rd leading rusher and 1st in carries
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we keep him and play two back sets.
I agree that if I was a GM I would ask him to restructure his contract but I wouldn’t trade him. I still prefer him in the redzone to any of the other backs we have on the team now. However I think we should draft his successor this year, unless Chicago gets stupid and don’t want to properly pay Forte then we need to swoop in and snatch him.
My other point is that people are assuming that we keep Snelling. After last year’s free agent campaign I can’t say they’re too high on him. They weren’t worried about losing him. If we’re looking for cuts to make room for lineman, we have other lineman (defensive and offensive) that we can cut to provide more cap space (i.e. Baker, Reynolds, Peria).
And why are we assuming that we can’t have a running back by committee back field with who we have? It’s up to the OC to figure out the best ways of doing that. We have the talent.
by Fear Me on Jan 18, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
In addition, we don't know what type of offense we'll run
but if it’s what I think it will be, Ovie maybe the one that’s expendable. In a system that doesn’t use the fullback too often, $3 million is lot to pay a FB.
Turner may bring a 3rd round
pick, that is all. I doubt any teams will give up a higher pick, for a 30 year old, with nagging groin injury and high salary.
He stays one more year then he is gone, is my prediction. Dimitroff publicly stated he will get much less carries. He has slowed down, and can’t seem to break tackles anymore behind the scrimmage.
Mr. Mustard
Ok, Turner is my favourite Falcons player ever
Ever. Period. He came in in 2008 and made this team. Sure, Ryan was the face, Smitty was the mind….Turner was this offense in 2008, just like Abe was the defence. The fact that Turner just told you he would run into you and then couldn’t be stopped anyway is just inspiring. Powerbacks > Scatbacks to me, they will be forever.
However, and I know there’s the ‘he barely carried until he was 26’ theory, but he’s approaching 30. Not everyone is Tony G and can just play forever. I’m not saying that as a strict rule if a player is reaching 30 you take them out the back with the gun, but this seems like our last chance to trade Turner for anything. I don’t think we should get rid of him by any stretch, and while I think Snelling is a solid backup he isn’t that guy for me. Over the next few years I think we’re going to see Quizz become our feature back.
I don’t think Turner should or will go, I think he’ll finish up as a Falcon and end up taking fewer and fewer carries until he’s basically just a redzone and relief weapon, and then he’ll retire one of the most favoured Falcons RBs of all time. However, I don’t think the mere suggestion of getting rid of him should warrant the reactions some have leapt to here. This is a guy who has 1 or 2 of his best years left in him at 100% maximum. We’re not saying cut JJ here, we’re not saying cut Matt Ryan and start JPW, this wouldn’t be a team crippling decision if we had an offseason to deal with it. Just chill guys.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 18, 2012 11:04 AM EST reply actions
Good stuff
And besides, we’re fans. Idle speculation is what we’re supposed to do. It isn’t like we have any input and isn’t like our jobs are on the line if it doesn’t work out.
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 18, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
I think he should leave JUST because he has been the in the TOP THREE in the league for running backs in 3 of 4 years with us and yet “some” do nothing but complain about him.
Absolutely unbelievable!!
I am clearly one sided on this issue, he has done nothing but kick a$$ since we traded for him. I just don’t get where some of you are coming from when it comes to Turner quite frankly!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
There are five million reasons to send him on his way.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No, I get the money aspect of it...
I don’t know…sometimes I just feel there is a lack of respect for his accomplishments while with the team.
I will admit to my biased nature when it comes to Turner.
If we can get what we need from the running game if he goes and spend the money elsewhere then I am all for it. I can’t really argue against five million reasons…I mean it all does come down to money at the end of the day!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
I think the point is
Snelling/Quizz + a solid rookie and one additional stud OL would probably net us a better running game than Turner and no new stud OL.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It's all about the OLine at this point
I think Turner succeeded this year in spite of a poor line, and if we’re going to have a running game next year (which I think is critical for playoff success), we need to rebuild the line for both pass protection and gap separation. If we do that, all of our backs will do much better.
I disagree...
but we do need to beef up the OL that is a fact.
I really think Quizz could take over as our sole running back but I don’t think he got enough snaps to get him the experience he needs. I think one more year behind Turner would be great for him…and more carries.
That’s how I see it anyway…
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think anybody needs to be the sole back.
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by J Tadpole on Jan 18, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, replace "Sole" with "Primary"...my point remains the same though...
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Don't need one of those either.
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by J Tadpole on Jan 18, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Ther will always be a "pecking" order at every position...but we can nit pick if you want.
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
I guess.
More and more though, NFL teams are moving away from that. There is a “starter” per se for each different personnel package, and you may start each game in a different one of those packages. With the WRs we have and Tony G there is a lot we can do to create matchup problems, and hell hath no fury if we can put a RB on the field who could be a solid slot receiver as well.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
As far as personnel packages...meh, I suppose.
Some coaches see it that way some don’t…I think MS is in the “don’t” side.
You did just make my point about Quizz though; glad we agree that a RB that also has slot receiver ability is nothing short of awesome…kind of like R. Rice which is kind of the mold I see Quizz coming from. He just needs more snaps and one more year behind Turner learning the finer points of the RB position at the pro level. This would do him (and the team) a world of good!!
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Just imagine being able
to come out in a two back, one TE set then shifting the TB out into the slot and. You either make a LB cover him or pull a safety out of center field then, all the while keeping a FB in to protect or leak out as a late safety valve. Having more versatile personnel lets you dictate to the defense.
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Oh I get it...
now, you think Turner would help here or hurt, I say help. If we can establish Quizz’s catch and run ability (which MM clearly failed to do!!) early then having both Turner and Quizz lining up and with our receiving corps…defense’s would know whether to sh!t or go sailing!!
You know, the more we talk about this the more you like keeping Turner…lol
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Except we can upgrade other areas if we dump him.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
we have roughly 26 to 28 mil...
in cap room now…who say’s we need to dump anyone to upgrade the areas we need to.
Really, the OL is the only “immediate” need. I am sure TD and MS will get us what we need and keep Turner.
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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No matter how you slice it
$5MM less spent on RBs is $5MM more spent somewhere else, and other teams have proven that you can be a great offense without investing that kind of money in that position. Other positions are much, much more important.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Watching you two guys
I feel like Im watching Money Man. Well see how TD goes about this off season. All this speculation really doesn’t matter.
Agree completely.
This has all been about what we as fans would like to see done.
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Did you REALLY have to say "Speculation"??
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Well...
we are just not going to see eye to eye on this which is cool. Either way this comes out…I hope TD and MS have their sh!t together this off season. The OC and DC are a damn good start (especially the DC). Let’s hope the player side is just as rewarding!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Quizz is to small to be the sole back
So we would have a RB by commitee. Which is even harder to game plan against since you don’t know who will get the most touches.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Says who?
I disagree…
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Fair point but I love watching this kid run!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Compared to Ray Rice
He’s only about an inch shorter and 10 pounds lighter.
He matches Darren Sproles number for number (a little heavier actually) – this is the mold I think he fits better. Somewhere between 18 to 24 total touches per game (running and receiving).
Agreed
His top-end speed is not as good, but he has very good lateral quickness and as you said, good power.
Yeah but as far as top end goes...
I don’t think Sproles has him by much and Quizz is still way younger!!
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
You have no basis for that comment
Snelling has not played a full season at RB and only one season with more than 100 carries. Quizz was wasted this past season. Your comment in based only on personal opinion.
Of course it is.
On earth we call it speculation since, y’know, we haven’t seen what the team would do under those circumstances. What we do know is that our OL sucks pretty bad, agreed? Our RBs minus Turner, in my OPINION, wouldn’t suck nearly as bad as our line does currently.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
No?
Well, ain’t that something. You’re telling me NFL GMs draft a player without speculating what the player will look like/perform like on their team? Real estate investors don’t speculate on what they think the market will do? Ditto stock and commodities traders? Give me a break. Speculation is all you have. If you’re smart you use history, past performance, etc. to help you speculate, but situations like this are speculative nonetheless.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And look at how many of your examples have lost their asses.
If speculation is all you have that is your issue, not mine. There is a big difference in speculation and an educated decision.
Dude, you are thick sometimes.
You can’t make an educated decision as to whether a player who has never played on your team with the rest of your players would play better than another player without speculating. In your world no one would ever change anything.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I guess disagreeing with you
makes someone thick. You can make educated decisions based on information on hand if you understand the process, pure and simple.
Yeah?
OK, you go ahead and research whether having $5MM in additional monies allocated to the offensive line on (a) yet-to-be-determined player(s) with Rodgers, Snelling, and a yet-to-be-determined rookie running behind them would play better than the current line with Turner, Snelling, and Quizz running behind them. No speculation is allowed. I’ll be veryinterested in your methods and findings.
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Not an issue
But let me make sure I understand the model. You’re assuming that ATL will make OL replacements and sign a rookie RB for $5MM. Is that right? That includes resigning JS right?
JS has nothing to do with it.
The $5MM is the cap savings by cutting Turner. Likewise, third round pick money will be spent somewhere so that money is a constant along with the impact that using the third round pick on a RB means that the pick wouldn’t go toward anouther need. Snelling is a constant in either scenario. But, in simple terms, it’s
Snelling/Quizz/rookie and current OL + $5MM upgrade or
Turner/Snelling/Quizz and current OL with no upgrade
You could sub any position group on the roster and do the same comparison. I guess the bottom line is that, out of all position groups on the roster, RB is one that would fall very low on my priority list when it comes to investing big dollars- especially to a single player and considering the beating a true feature back takes.
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by J Tadpole on Jan 18, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I fully understand where the 5MM comes from
and JS does have something to do with it if his pay goes up to stay with ATL. That would be subtracted from somewhere. You could always subtract that against the team salary. To be honest there just as much of a chance that Snelling won’t be resigned as MT being traded. The only thing that made JS worth his contract was Ovie’s injury.
Point is that it's subtracted either way
unless you are suggesting that they keep Turner in lieu of Snelling. But take Snelling out of it too. I’d still rather buy some young, cheaper RBs and spend more money elsewhere. Just don’t see where $7.5MM to Turner is well allocated.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Complaining
I’m one of those who thinks if Turner still has trade value – and I’m not sure he does – that we should consider it. However, I fully recognize the amazing contributions Turner has made the past 4 years. It’s been incredibly remarkable and something every Falcon fan should be grateful for.
Even with a woeful offensive line this year, Turner still amassed over 1000 yards – a great feat.
That said, we still need to think about the future and whether Turner will be, or needs to be a part of that.
Cool, you recognize what he has done...that's all I am saying really!!
And I did say “some” people. If you’re not part of the “some” then I wasn’t talking about you…lol
Seriously though, I do get the money, the needs and what we have verses what we need. I agree as well that Turner needs to be a part of it…at least for one more season.
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
No one is
It’s being smart about the situations. I give MT more credit than anyone for the last 4 years. With that being said this team is awhile away from hoisting the trophy.
This is just prepping for the future. If we can get value for MT(a aging MT) then we should take it. I have no beef if we do keep MT but for his sake he can’t have the carries he’s had before.
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We didn't trade for him
He was a FA
by pierre02 on Jan 18, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
In stand corrected...
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
"I"
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
by Blood_Talon on Jan 18, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Drew Brees
I know its off topic but what if drew left the saints va fa, a team like wash or miami just empyting out the bank for him. Lets hope it happens lol
I see where you're going but...
I think we already match very well and can beat these guys. Let’s just hope the new coaching takes us where we all know this team can go. I really don’t care what the Aint’s do outside of I hope they don’t franchise Nicks!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
No way they franchise Nicks
That would destroy their cap when they’re trying to sign two of their most important offensive starters.
I think there’s a very real possibility we land Nicks.
Stanger things have happened guys...
I mean hell, if the Raiders can take a kicker in the first f’ing round (I forget what year that was) then ANYTHING is possible in this craziness we call the NFL!!
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
There's no way Brees doesn't stay in NO
They’ll structure his contract so he stays til he retires, and he’ll be fine with that. It might be a slight pay cut, or a few cheap years and then they get to the bulk of the money, but he and the FO will work together so he stays for life. Just no way they let him walk.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 18, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, this is a hellacious debate
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I know!! Getting ready to pop some popcorn and see what happens!
I’m so torn! Go anti Turners! Go pro Turners!
No one is anti or pro turner
I could care less if they keep him or ship him. Just depends on what else happens to make the smart decision on him. If they feel he still has value and mileage left then keep him. If they feel they can get a better option for the future and the new scheme then trade him. I just want what’s best for the team.<< so cheesy smh.
We'll still kick your ass, Dave.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Get him! Tadpole get him!
He’s been in power far too long!! That’ll teach him to keep me out of the Falcoholic fantasy league!
I don't have an ass to kick
Lost mine in an unfortunate smelting accident.
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Yeah, and though we have touched on 2 thru 5 of the writeups points...
we still haven’t debated the fact that:
Dave smells like asparagus extract
WHAT NOW!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
James like to get his digs in
Little does he realize the noose draws tighter after each one.
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Get him Dave! Get him!
He’s been in power far too long!! That’ll teach him to start threads that have guys battling over a “it probably won’t happen but what if?” thought!!!
Hey Can't get right!
Next time you post an article at least get yours info checked out first.
3/2/2008: Signed a six-year, $34.5 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. 2011-2012: $5 million, 2013: $5.5 million, 2014: Free Agent
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