The Falcoholic's Atlanta Falcons Free Agent Targets: Carl Nicks
Throughout the off-season, The Falcoholic will point out free agents that its writers believe are good fits for the Falcons. Today, Carl Nicks.
What do you need to know about Carl Nicks, you might ask? Only three things, really.
- He played for the Saints.
- He was Pro Football Focus's second-best guard in 2011.
- He's just 27 years old.
Add that up and you get a guy the Falcons would probably love to steal, albeit one who won't come cheap. The Falcons struggled to find a right guard to start all year, losing Mike Johnson in the pre-season, starting Garrett Reynolds and then dumping him, starting Joe Hawley and kinda settling in with him but then turning to Sam Baker before going back to Hawley. When you consider that Hawley is a natural center and Todd McClure may not be returning, it makes sense to go get a guard.
You couldn't really do better than Nicks, and you'd take away one of the Saints' best linemen in the process. Nicks is an elite pass blocker and a plenty capable run blocker, and he's pretty mobile for a big guy. If you wanted to move him to left guard, you could (assuming the Falcons would/Blalock would agree) move Justin Blalock to right guard and have a fantastic tandem. Either way, he'd provide an immediate upgrade on the line, and that's something the team has mentioned as a priority.
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Obviously this would be a great upgrade
But this is a huge departure from our current thinking on the offensive line. Smithitroff seem to prefer drafting and developing an offensive line, using later round picks and undrafted free agents. Signing the top FA guard for 9 million a year is a TON of money, and not even at the more elite position of LT where we also have uncertainty brewing. I’m not so sure they don’t sign a cheaper LT and try to force T-Rex arms into the RG position, where his run blocking might really shine (throwing him there mid season was a mistake, lets see what an offseason of training can do).
by TheAreopagite on Jan 16, 2012 12:07 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Your right about the coaching staff drafting and grooming first
But I think a lot of there philosophies change this year (see post season conference). It’s all about urgency to get a ring. That’s why I could see them getting him. On the other hand they still like to pick no names with potential no one else sees (see new o coordinater).
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by JJWatt1stfalconspick on Jan 16, 2012 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Departure,yes.But isn't that the problem with where we are today
I don’t know if anyone has noticed but,the top 2 supposed QBs are out of the playoffs while,the 4 best Olines and 3 best defensive front sevens are still in.The arrow is pointing sharply up for those franchises that maniacally invest 1st and 2nd round draft picks,year after year, on the Olines and defensive front sevens.Those are the teams that are gaining on us and have surpassed us.And closer in the rear view mirror than anyone wants to admit,here come the Seahawks,Lions,Bears,Bills,Dolphins,Rams and Bengals.
We cannot move forward if we continue to put a lesser premium and priority on both our lines of scrimmage play than our top competition.Contrary to most of the analysis that you will read and hear,football is still first and foremost a line of scrimmage game.For the most part,QBs,WRs,and DBs flourish as a result of competitive play on the lines.
The Falcons are hanging by a thread, onto its place in the top 3rd of the NFL.Signing Nicks,even if we have to slightly overpay,would be a major step in the right direction.
This would make up for no 1st round pick.
I hope we have the wallet open and ready to go.
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Blank doesn't care about spending money
This would definitely make up for the 1st we lost. I hope AB is ready to spend money this off season.
by pierre02 on Jan 16, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not necessarily about spending money
It’s about getting a contract that will fit under the salary cap. We have a ton of important free agents of our own to resign, and we’ll need to replace those that leave via free agency. I expect there may also be a few casualties who the front office feel have not lived up to their contracts and must also be replaced. With all of that going on, I doubt we can compete for someone who is likely to command a record contract for a non left tackle offensive lineman.
I hope I’m wrong.
This would be the best possible FA we could get
Unfortunately, I don’t see the Saints letting him go without putting up a major fight. Especially if we were the team they were bidding against. Seems like it will end up a lot like Charles Johnson did last off season.
The Saints have a lot of financial decisions to make.
If I recall correctly, Nicks, Colston, and Brees all need paid. That’s a metric S-ton of cash.
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by Duff_Man on Jan 16, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
True, but
I’m not sure how you let one of your Pro-Bowl level guards go unless you have a ton of confidence in his back up. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Brees make the same type of decision that Manning made with his contract in order to keep the best possible team on the field.
Not to mention, he may also love being in NO that would give them a definite edge in any negotiations.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 16, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Who would love living underwater?
Atlanta is above sea level! Advantage: Atlanta!
But seriously, I hope we make a REALLY big effort to get this guy.
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Yeah, me too
Would easily be the best FA signing since Turner.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 16, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
ehhh
I’d be thrilled if we get him and he ends up even third best after Turner and Gonzo
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nit-pick
Tony G was aquired via trade
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He WAS our 2nd round pick that year
He has been one of the best and most consistent 2nd round picks in Falcons History, if you look at it from that perspective.
Win- win
We get a great guard, or we hamstring a division rival with a contract that we drove the price up on.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 16, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't see them paying Colston.
Between their HBs, WRs, and TEs, they’ve got plenty of pass catchers.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
This
If I’m the Saints, I pick Brees and Nicks over Colston. But Nicks may not give them a choice depending on the market.
Yes kman
That is definitely what the Saints should do.However,what we don’t know is whether they think they have an up and coming talent,on the roster,to take his place.We think that Mike Johnson is that developing talent for us.But,we have more than one slot to improve in order to be competitive.
Difference here between Carolina last year,
New Orleans doesn’t have 60 mil in cap space. They can’t get into a bidding war with us, because we will win.
Before signing Brees they are at 94 million. Brees will probably get around 15-20 mil a year at minimum. They still have to sign a number of other players, and have a solid line already. I strongly feel we could persuade him to come to Atlanta.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 16, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
this would be great but
Even if we cant get nicks if he proves too expensive hopefully we can get a player that has his type of capability.
We a lot of expiring contracts, but with that comes tons of cap room.
Pat Yasinskas wrote this on Dec. 3rd. We had not yet signed Gonzalez for 2012, but at this point the Falcons had only $89.3 million committed toward the cap. The league average was/is $105 million, and the Saints were “slightly above” league average.
Considering that the Saints have to resign Brees, the Falcons are definitely in better shape when it comes to the salary cap than the Saints are. If either teams chances of getting Nicks are hurt by their current financial obligations and the contracts they’ll be forced to hand out this offseason, it’s the Saints.
Sure, we have a ton of players to resign/replace, but we also have less money already committed and we don’t have to resign one of the greatest quarterbacks in the league.
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by gilley on Jan 16, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
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Great post. I was actually wondering what our cap figure looked like. This actually gives me a lot more hope for trying to sign Nicks. I’m sure there will be a lot of competition for him, but I think we’ll have a good shot at it now.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 16, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree we have more financial room then the Saints
But we still have our own salary cap issues. Resigning Curtis Lofton is key. Abraham is an integral part of our defense. It would be nice to see Grimes back, but he might be out of our price range. I still feel like if Nicks was such an important asset to us this year, we would have made a greater effort to resign Harvey Dahl last year. I would not be a fan of signing a big, free agent offensive lineman.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 16, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
It's one thing to prefer that the Falcons go in a different direction.
But it’s another to imply that they won’t have the financial capabilities of making this signing, and in the same breath make it seem like the Saints will have less of an issue signing Hicks to a contract. Also, if the Falcons’ change to a defensive scheme, Grimes may no longer be as great of a fit as he was under Van Gorder. His skill set fit our old scheme perfectly, which had a lot to do with how productive he was. I’m not saying he’s not a legitimate player, but like most players in the NFL, he works best in a specific scheme. I like Franks, and if we’re asking our corners to play press-man coverage, I’ll be content to go into next season with him as a starter.
I look at it like this. The Falcons are firmly entranced in “win now” mode. Their window is in danger of closing. Without a question, the most glaring weakness on our team is the offensive line. That’s not to say it’s the only weakness, but there’s not another unit on our team that lacks talent as much as our O-line. We obviously can’t afford to let anybody develop, because we need to win now, and if we have the funds to bring in a proven pro-bowl caliber super-stud like Nicks, then it’d be foolish not to do so.
Unless, of course, there’s some unheralded player out there that can match his value at a fraction of the cost. Until somebody points that player out to me, I’ll believe that Nicks needs to be priority #1 for the Falcons if he does in fact reach free agency.
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I wasn't implying the Saints have less of an issue, as they clearly do
However this article states that the Saints are not in as much trouble as we may think. I am saying the Falcons have other needs, and Nicks, in my opinion, would be a luxury more than a necessity. The Falcons have, give or take, around $24 million to spend. Lofton will likely get anywhere between five to seven million a year. Abe is looking at seven to nine. That leaves us around ten million for our other needs, a figure that would be mostly filled by bringing in Nicks. By spending so many draft picks to draft Julio Jones, this team needs depth more than ever, and spending it on a few players will hurt this team now and in the long run.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 16, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
We're obviously in a 'win now window', but
that’s at least partially due to the fact that we were in one in 2007. We had traded away a first rounder for Abe (Coleman was here too), and had hired he-whose-name-shall-not-be-typed to bring Vick and Co into a championship-level offense. We had brought in Joe Horn, and had just drafted JA98 to be the bookend to Abe.
Then there was the apocalypse 2007.
That’s what TD inherited, a team in a win-now window with no QB. Then he cut a bunch of talent: Coleman, Dunn (at his own request), Alge, mother f’ing Wayne Gandy, Kynan Forney, and traded MeHall.
Most teams would have then entered a rebuilding phase, but drafting a franchise QB kept us viable. The current stock of UFAs is a result of that previous Vick/Arkansas Coach window closing
I don’t think the current window is “in danger of closing,” but we might be in for a transitional year as the statuses of Grimes, Abe, and Lofton are in limbo and we can’t/won’t resign all of them.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
by VaderX5 on Jan 16, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree that the window is not in danger of closing
Teams with that philosophy make stupid financial decisions (see Atlanta Hawks/Joe Johnson contract). I want the Falcons to put the best team possible on the field while being within the strains of the salary cap. I think Nicks is a great player, but the opportunity cost of signing Nicks is too high IMO
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 16, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What are you basing that on?
I understand what you guys are trying to say, but the reality is that the NFL is not like MLB. Our understandings of the financial obligations for any one team is not great, and the intricacies of the salary cap and the way that contracts are guaranteed or not guaranteed, and can therefore be partially if not completely nullified if the team chooses to make it so, prevents any of us from truly knowing whether or not the Falcons can legitimately make a run at this guy.
I just don’t buy that any of us can really say that Nicks is out of our price range, or even that that signing him would be detrimental in the form of preventing us from signing/retaining other players. To say outright that signing him would be a bad decision is to pretend that you have a greater knowledge of the Falcons’ financial obligations than you actually do.
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Nicks is a much better player than Dahl
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And it's not even close
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
That would be great
if we could land that dude. I think you meant unlikely that the Saint’s would use the franchise tag on him, but I am not so sure. They won’t need it on Brees, they will easily reach an agreement there, Peyton and Brees are a match made in heaven. Colston vs Nicks, I think Nicks gets the tag. All Pro guards are harder to find than quality WRs and Brees makes a good WR look great with ball placement.
by Whopper Dawg on Jan 16, 2012 1:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, admittedly I'm sinking a lot of hope on the franchise tag going to Brees
It absolutely would transform this offensive line, though, so I’ve gotta hope.
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I thought someone was reporting on ESPN
yesterday that NO planned on using the Franchise tag on Brees. They made a comment that this meant they couldn’t use it on Colston or Nicks. Maybe I was dreaming, but that’s what I thought I heard.
I wonder what the franchise tag on him would cost them.
That would be a smart move on their part, but only if they have enough cap room to pull it off. I see Brees getting resigned in the off season and things falling into place based on that deal.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 16, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know the acctual number,
but IIRC, Guard is one of those positions where most starters get a small amount, but those top 5 guys are better paid than at most positions. In other words, the difference between the tag salary and the avg position salary is more than at most positions.
Not sure what that means for the Saints and our odds of getting him, though.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
Problem with the Tag is
it all counts against the Cap, and they are pretty tight as it is without having Brees under contract yet. When Mankins was tagged last year it was I think 10 mil, and I would expect it to be similar which is a huge cap it. I don’t think they could afford that much of their cap just on guards as Evans just got a big contract .
I understand too
and it would be great to get him. But the tag usually gets applied in a contentious situation where a longer term agreement can’t be reached. I don’t see that being the situation with Brees. He and Peyton are good for each other, have it going real well and I am sure Brees feels some loyalty given the Saints took a chance on him after his shoulder injury.
Glad you brought it up, I will be watching how this develops with interest.
Failing Nicks, who else would be a good FA addition to the line?
I'm just starting to look at offensive linemen for future posts
So someone else might have a better grasp on the market. There’s gotta be upgrades.
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Only other o-line
the comes to mind is the one the isn’t Yanda in Baltimore, whoever their other Guard is. Can’t remember his name but I herd he is pretty good.
Ben Grubbs?
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by Dave Choate on Jan 16, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Grubbs would be an upgrade without question.
And probably a heck of a lot more cap friendly. If Nicks hits the market he’s gonna be like pork bellies in Trading Places….caliente.
If he's healthy in 2012, he might be a quality starter
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I feel like we've lost this roll of the die before,
but yeah, this might be the best option. I’d feel much better about it if we had a solid LT.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
Johnson was on IR all year.
He was the primary reason they thought they could afford to not resign Harvey Dahl.2011 was meant to have been the beginning of a plan to become younger and more athletic on the Oline.The early season ending injury to Johnson, then the early Baker injury set the plan into a tailspin.Baker was poor at best when he returned,Hawley was up and down,and Garrett Reynolds is not ready but is too young to declare a bust.
Add the lockout and no offseason and it was just a bad scenario for the beginning of a youth movement.
If Nicks doesn't come on board, I'd go Grubbs
He’s been banged up a bit, is my only concern.
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I'd be happy with either
But I think an upgrade at guard is the more important than the tackles. Look at the Saints only mediocre tackles(that somehow got into the probowl?) yet he always has all day to pass because of such little pressure up the middle, he can always step up to avoid the edge rushers
Another consideration
We always seem to burn out free agency with a top-dollar acquisition. Sometimes it works (for a few years) like Michael Turner, other times we are saddled with players being paid well in excess of their value (Robinson and Edwards). Maybe multiple, mid to low level acquisitions like Hayden might be more prudent.
Not sure I would put Edwards there just yet
True he didn’t have the season the fans expected but given the knee surgery he had last off season and how he got better towards the end of the season, I’m willing to see how he does next season.
Robinson though, oh yeah…. not nearly worth the money. I still think we should cut him and give Grimes his money.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 16, 2012 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he's a bad player
But would you really disagree that he’s being paid well in excess of his value?
by TheAreopagite on Jan 16, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
At the moment, no
But I think given the potential it’s not too much. I’m just a little leery of putting him and Dunta in the same category since Dunta’s a known quantity at this point.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 16, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think DR is fine as a bump-and-run CB
but we’ve been running a soft zone almost exclusively. Much like the comment about Grimes maybe benefitting from our scheme, the argument can be made about DR being hurt by the scheme. Nnamdi Asamugha is a great man corner who was forced to play zone and looked like a bust too.
somehow
TD and his staff do a very good job in selecting top-dollar FAs on offense - Turner and Gonzo being examples. And they don’t do nearly as well in selecting players for defense in FA – Dunta and RE (to a slightly lower degree since it’s been just 1 year).
anyone notice the trend? or is it just a coincidence?
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Gonzo was a trade not a FA signing.
by birdwatch on Jan 16, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can we blame BVG?
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Cb
You could get simone like Finnigen from the Titans who odd more shut down than Robinson
by Sinafi on Jan 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I would like to see us pick up Jason Jones
As long as we didn’t have to break the bank to get him I could see him being a good upgrade on the D line.
I'm all up for signing this guy
The most important thing about an oline is to keep the front clean so a qb can step up, side pressure is easy to avoid. We seen it this year hawley kept getting bulled into ryan therefore leaving him no room to step up. We also better pray we hit on a LT somewhere in the draft. Finally i think we need to resign HD and Lofton maybe beerman and pick up either Laron Landry,Michael Griffin, or Mario Williams if we dont resign abe. BTW keep dunta you will all see him do work this year with our new DC trust me
very interesting possibility
But like you said, it would take a TON of money. I’m pretty much hoping they go into the off-season with the same mentality about the O-Line that they did when they traded up for Julio (fix the glaring problem at almost any cost).
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Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune expects the Saints to franchise tag impending free agent Drew Brees.
Behind Brees, Duncan expects New Orleans’ top-three free agent priorities to be LG Carl Nicks, WR Marques Colston, and CB Tracy Porter. In an “ideal” scenario, the Saints would extend Brees and Colston, and slap the tag on Nicks. The team’s failure to extend Brees during the season, however, could very well lead to him getting the tag and either Colston or Nicks walking.
heard this my self and commented above before I read your comment.
I thought they mentioned it during the GB-NYG game
We have neglected the o line for a long time
Last first round O lineman before we moved up for Sam Baker was 1993 Lincoln Kennedy and 1992 Bob Whitfield it would be nice to have a pair like that back.
...which of these is not like the others?
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
Would definitely make up for no first round pick
But i’ll laugh if we get him and all of a sudden he mysteriously gets called for all those holds.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 16, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions
That's not going to happen
Look at how we turned out after Dahl left and Nicks is way better than him
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
OG it’s manageable in my opinion, LT Demetrius Bell from Bills is a better option and most needed position.
I think your spot on Mr. Dave i would sign him in a heart beat
He is clearly one of the best offensive line men out there on the market John Clayton of espn thinks the saints will resign Colstin and either resign Brees or franchise him and both of those signings will cost them a lot of money Clayton thinks Nicks will probably get a lot of attention on the market and likely sign elsewhere i hope he is right and the falcons can jump on this opportunity.
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