The Atlanta Falcons Hire Dirk Koetter As Offensive Coordinator
by Dave Choate on Jan 15, 2012 11:28 AM EST
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PrintIt's now been confirmed by two sources: Dirk Koetter is the guy.
The reactions to this hire have ranged from passive acceptance to outrage, which is about what I would have anticipated given that the Falcons are hiring the guy who presided over the 32nd overall offense in the NFL this season. Also, his name is Dirk.
Me? I actually like this hire based on potential, though it's a long way from blowing my socks off. You must take into account what Koetter was working with in Jacksonville over the past few seasons when evaluating him. You're welcome to wonder why the Jaguars couldn't rise above if he's such a good coordinator—in past seasons, I've wondered this myself—but do consider the circumstances.
The Jaguars had Blaine Gabbert as their quarterback this season. They had a banged-up, useless offensive line. They have not had a better wide receiver in the last five years than Mike Sims-Walker. Gene Smith, the vaunted personnel man for the Jaguars, has produced a bevy of underperforming linemen and zero guys who could start at wide receiver for the Atlanta Falcons during his tenure. By this season, Koetter literally had nothing to work with. Jack Del Rio further undercut him by forcing Gabbert into the starting lineup. As you might remember, Gabbert was not ready to play in a Pop Warner league, much less the NFL.
Does this mean he gets a free pass? No. Certainly he struggled mightily at times to get the most out of his (mediocre) weapons. But he did squeeze a lot out of David Garrard and helped turn Maurice Jones-Drew into one of the league's elite running backs. Your credit mileage for those achievements may vary, of course.
Koetter has had high-scoring, quality passing offenses under his belt. The 2007 Jaguars were very good, as were his Arizona State teams. I should repeat again that he managed to make David Garrard look like a pretty good quarterback. He has never worked with an offense as talented as the Falcons'. Period.
To me, that's the most important factor. Koetter's quarterback and wide receivers in Atlanta are and will be light years ahead of what he had in Jacksonville.
He's got a lot of proving to do and an owner and fanbase with very little patience. I have my concerns about the fact that some believe he'll basically run the same offense we've seen over the last four years, but I would temper that by noting that Mike Smith and Thomas Dimitroff probably are not all that interested in losing their jobs. The Falcons are going to ask him to open up the offense and not be a Mularkey clone, and if he can't do that, his stay in Atlanta will be brief.
I may be on an island here, but I believe he can pull it off.
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If Spaggs gets hired as our DC
All will be forgiven
Odds
Odds on that happening are pretty long as both the Saints and Phillie are after him as well.
Let’s see, you as DC would rather be on the same team as Andy Reid or Peyton (both of whom act as OCs in large part), or with Dirk Koette, he of the worse offense in he league?
Pretty easy decision.
by Whopper Dawg on Jan 15, 2012 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Hearing reports of a similarly run offense to MM
If true, you have to start questioning the front office. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. I hope we haven’t gone insane.
by Beachy Keen on Jan 15, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is why this hire is such a head-scratcher
He may be the guy because he’s a better play-caller than MM and can adapt more to game situations. I’m trying to see the silver lining…
WTF dude?
We BETTER get a proven DC or this fan base will go ape shit!
by FalconsFansincePrimetime on Jan 15, 2012 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm just meh on this
On the one hand, I’m disappointed. This isn’t exactly the hire that’s going to fire up the fanbase.
On the other hand, who’s to say that it won’t be a good football hire? Good point, Dave. Smith’s job and TD’s reputation, if not his job security could be on the line if they got this one wrong. I’m going to have to give it a chance.
But I ain’t real happy about it.
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 15, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions
I like this
“It’s not like you’re in 2×2 and you’re throwing quick outs to the outside and stick routes to the inside. You might complete that concept 67 percent of the time, but you’re only getting six yard plays. However, you may complete four verticals 48 percent of the time but you’re getting 18 yard gains, those are the kinds of plays I like better. I don’t like to work hard for four yard gains.” Dirk Koetter, OC, Jacksonville Jaguars
by Brog on Jan 15, 2012 11:37 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions 4 recs
Nice quote
That’s almost a complete opposite from how MM ran things.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Words are just words
But can you imagine Mularkey saying that?
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by Dave Choate on Jan 15, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I like that quote
It’s exactly what we need. I would have liked a more popular hire buy Hey, Im not a GM. No need to Bitch and Moan. Lets just hope Spags is the DC and can help if the New Offense struggles.
by falcons101 on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't like this but
I like the quote I hope he’s like that, just worried cause smitty went with an ol jacksonville friend again. As long as hd is used and spags or nolan are hired ill be fine for now, if this fails bye smitty
by Nedk23 on Jan 15, 2012 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Then how about this?
The best coaches out there, no matter what level they are coaching, can adjust to their player’s strengths.
Read more: http://xandolabs.com/2011/07/dirk-koetter-exclusive-interview/#ixzz1jYbq2sYJ
DK (I love that that is also Donkey Kong) said that in the same article from the quote above.
I encourage everyone to read the article linked in the quote. It’s very informative and he sounds like a smart guy who’s willing to (gasp) adjust.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Actually impressed me
Hopefully he isn’t all bark though
by pierre02 on Jan 15, 2012 7:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dude knows his stuff
He seems like he will be a helluva teacher, especially forHD & JJ. The way he talked about receivers understanding what they see and knowing it’s ok to NOT blow thru a seam but to come under control at a point. Also will be good for MR2 because he talks about options for the QB on every play.
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
by ATLsince1972 on Jan 15, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you man.
"Everybody has a plan until they get hit" Iron Mike Tyson.
"Screw 2nd." Lugs Harvey.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 15, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'd also suggest we all keep in mind
How much influence Del Rio may have exerted on the offense. We’ve all wondered from time to time if Mike Smith, conservative by nature, held back MM a little (not to say MM couldn’t have held himself back… which he did). Smith came from Jacksonville where he worked for and learned from Del Rio. I wouldn’t be surprised to find that Del Rio exerted the same kind of conservative control over Koetter.
I’m not blown away by this hire, but I’m also not going to over react and whine about it. I say we welcome the man to Atlanta and expect good things. After all, we know he never had the toys to play with in Jacksonville that he will now have in Atlanta.
This
just proves that it is Mike Smith that is holding this team back by his offensive and defensive schemes.Move over Mularkey and VanGorder Smith will join you next year looking for a job!
Yeah I know
Smith can be Mularkeys new Dc in Jax
That's the real question I think
MM did pretty badly with adjustments in the second half (Panthers game notwithstanding).
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Well, he did pretty well last time.
I wonder, when was the last time someone was a coordinator, left for a HC job, and then returned to the same job with the same team? I can’t think of anyone off the top of my head.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I curious to see how he opens up the playbook
With all of those supposed screens MM kept under lock and key, it will be interesting to see how a new OC goes about things with the level of talent we have.
Given their success with the running game and some of the things they did with Mercedes Lewis, you can imagine how that would fit with what the Falcons have. The real question for me is how he uses Ryan along with our WRs.
disappointed
There’s a couple other guys that I think would’ve opened up this offense to their potential. As of now I don’t agree with this hire. Hopefully he’ll prove me different
by ocfalcon on Jan 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yep. Disappointed. Not upset or angry though. The part that gets me the most is how the team stands up and proclaims their pursuit of excellence through bold aggressive moves and how good is not enough (forget mediocrity)… And this is how they perceive bold moves? I fully expected a JJ draft day trade type move to fill the coordinator positions. And to shut up the shortsighted few – not a trade of course but a name the screams a coup from the bland and boring of 3 plays and a some dust for memories.
**Bold is the word I attached to the sentiment I got from the most recent press conference.
by Caviarhound on Jan 15, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Could this hire be because they have expectations to compete in the playoffs in 2012
Setting up a whole new offense will take time. If Koetter can use our players better than MM without having to teach a new system it makes sense. Again, trying to see the silver lining…
Plenty of offenses and defenses go to the playoffs with new coordinators
I think we could have done much better than this guy. I’d even take Shotty over Koetter. I’m sick of this whole NFL coaching buddy system where HC’s hire their friends. I was hoping we’d bring in someone who will open up our playbook and use our weapons. This guy seems an awful lot like Mularkey to me.
Chris Petersen at Boise St worked with Koetter at Oregon and Boise
And their offensive taste is apparently shared. It is typically pro-style (no running QB) and decidedly pragmatic: it favors whatever kind of plays highlight the offensive playmakers (not jamming square pegs into one’s offensive square holes). You should be happy to note that aside from four verticals, they like all kinds of screens, bootlegs, play-action passing, etc. I am guardedly optimistic, even moreso that this is a “cheaper” hire in preparation for a big splash with the defense.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 15, 2012 11:48 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
That would be a welcome relief
I think that the no huddle with some more screens and play action could help offset some of the problems we have on the O line. Without something to slow down opposing defenses, our O line just can’t hold up.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Not one of the candidates came without concerns
and dirk’s may be the least of them
Billick hasn’t called plays for 10 years and the ravens never had a vaunted offense
Who know if Clements could call a decent game or if he’d just try to fit us into the packers mold where we don’t fit
Schottenheimer just got fired for the same reasons we hated Mularkey as a playcaller, and he had some decent weapons
I believe that this hire presents one of the highest upsides on this list, and (unlike some of these) it’s least likely to blow up in our faces.
"Derek Lowe's Contract Has Stopped Looking Like a Retard Got Lost in a Pen Factory.".......wait.....nevermind
im starting2 love this hire myself...
falcons dnt have 2 learn a new playbook for 1..our playbook wasn’t the problem.it was the play calling & adjustments in games..this guy loves 2 sling it over the field & has that mindset ..he got weapons over here..give him a dominant line & ryan gonna set the league on fire!
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by turnj35 on Jan 15, 2012 11:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Being an eternal optimist, I agree
It seemed pretty much the consensus that we had all the right plays, but MM just didn’t know when to call them. I think this guy is a lot more aggressive than Mularkey, and hopefully he will be willing to use more of our weapons. At the very least, I expect him to be a better playcaller. That, my friends, is an upgrade.
Why does this hire feel incestuous?
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 15, 2012 11:51 AM EST via mobile reply actions
What I'm hearing
is two different arguments being made.
If you look at what he did in Jacksonville, he’s the most conservative coach in football, and Atlanta’s doomed to even more failure.
If you look at what he did in college, expect great success.
Not sure which one of those arguments I buy
He even looks like Mularkey.
And what is this obsession with everything jaxville? At least it seems like everybody has some root attached to the jaxville tree. Aren’t there bigger trees with better root systems we can tap into? I however will once again take the wait and see approach. Kinda makes me think they would not have fired Mularkey if he did not get the jaxville job though…hmm
32nd Offense
Obviously TD sees something that no one else does. I am sure he was heading for the street in J’ville.
In TD We Trust, In TD We Trust. Jaguars North. Now, if we can just get del rio for the D.
Not a horrible hire.
It’s not as if Mularkey’s offense was bad, it’s that his play calling was. By the Falcons own admittance they had a ton of screen in the playbook and never called them. I mean, maybe he can do with Quiz what he did with MJD…
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by NaGaNole on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
A look at Koetter's time in J-ville:
In January of 2008 the Koetter-coordinated Jaguars beat the Steelers in the wildcard round 31-29. So at least his offense works in the playoffs! They lost in the next round to the undefeated Patriots 31-20.
The next few years are not as pretty. The 2008 season saw both their starting guards go down in the first quarter of the first game and never return, and their tackle had his career ended when he was shot 14 times(!!!). In 2009, they started rebuilding, drafting two rookie offensive linemen and starting them, resulting in a 7-9 record.
In 2010, they were leading the division headed into week 15, but then proceeded to lose out after a 34-24 loss to the Colts sent them spiraling. MJD was second in the league in rushing yards, David Garrard threw a franchise record 23 touchdowns (really? that’s the franchise record?) and Marcedes Lewis went to his first Pro Bowl.
And 2011…well, we all saw what happened. Blaine Gabbert was just embarassing to watch, and the receiving core was barren. MJD still managed to capture the rushing title, for what it’s worth.
by orion12 on Jan 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
If you remembered Collier off the top of your head… amazing. Hats off to you. Still tip top info.
by Caviarhound on Jan 15, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
All of this was with Garrad too
Not exactly a powerhouse QB….
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
What's done is done...
and it is what it is. If the quote above is truly his philosophy, we might be OK. It would just be great if, FOR ONCE, we could go out and get someone who has proven his worth…and not just coaches, but players, as well. C’mon, Arthur, we HAVE to be well under the salary cap, SPEND A LITTLE MONEY and give us the team we can be proud of.
Are you channeling a mob movie?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
As a die hard fan, I'm trying my best
But nothing about this hire convinces or excites me…..
I applaud those of you who are being positive….
I think skepticism is warranted
But I also think we’re a long way away from knowing what this offense will look like with Koetter. He’s got the potential to be much better than Mularkey, the same as Mularkey or worse.
I’m hoping for the former.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 15, 2012 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
"He’s got the potential to be much better than Mularkey, the same as Mularkey or worse."
You know, try as I might I can’t really argue with that.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm all about the safe argument
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by Dave Choate on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I find myself just hanging out recs today
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
He definitely covered all the angles, I think.
Except the part where Call of Duty: Real Life Warfare Edition 7 happens in ATL and toxic ooze gets on Koetter and he magically mutates into Mike Mularkey.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
For those looking for a big name hire...
Just remember that if you get a former HC in as OC or DC then next year we may get to do this all over again. Once you get a HC job you are forever linked to open HC positions in the off season. I for one would like to not have our FO looking to replace coahes every year due to them leaving for another job. So from a stability point of view this was a good hire as unless our offense breaks every record in the books next year I doubt anyone will be looking to hire this guy away for HC.
by Falcons Fan in WA on Jan 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions
gotta get offline for the day
I’m gonna stay positive. There really are no guarantees in this biz. Any of the big names could have been complete flops or disasters. Making drastic changes with no solid plan in place often doesn’t work.
We got our guy on offense, for better or worse. We’ve still got the DC hire to look forward to, a full offseason, draft and free agency. Rise up!
by ChardeeMacDennis on Jan 15, 2012 12:15 PM EST reply actions
Somebody just hosed down the gunpowder with water
Well I would say the verbage about having more explosive plays just fizzled. Why did we waste all those draft picks to get Jones when all we are going to do the same old same old? Before this hire I did not considered that trade a waste but now I do.
this is an overreaction, imo
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Now all we need is a DC
Anyone hear about that side? I’ve read that we’ve been linked to Spags and Nolan, but I haven’t heard about any interviews. Would love to hear what’s going on there.
I think it was Dave that mentioned
that Blank/TD/MS are all about doing video interviews, so there really isn’t all that much news about DC. Just like there wasnt’ much news about OC.
I could live with either of those
Nolan or Spags are decent coordinators,. Only issue would be how much say they would have? If Smith was that controlling from what some of you are saying then they may say hell no just on principle
Shoot! I knew I shouldve sent my resume..
They hire anyone
by Bigru3 on Jan 15, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
???
Well, my Sunday has been ruined. Smitty better hope like hell this works out immediately, or he’s out the door.
by Angry Rodent on Jan 15, 2012 12:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah too much good football left to have it ruined...
by what could turn out to be a boneheaded hire. We didn’t need a big name hire but we did need was someone that could make the most out of what we have. I have my doubts we have done that.
I want to remain positive...
Please someone put me in my place if I deserve it.
Did the Falcons interview all candidates? Or settle on the first available Jaguar? I’m guessing at this rate Jack Del Rio will be our next DC as well. I was thinking more along the lines of someone proven like Jackson who took the Raiders offense from obscurity, and had them in the top 10. Or a Brian Billick would do nicely. I can understand the Smith/Billick relationship in that matter though.
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by Edgecrusher211 on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions
No one is going to put you in your place
We are all scratching our head. It sort of like how we have a tendency to draft from Missouri.
Could be....
I honestly don’t see Billick coming back to coach, especially for Smith because there’s too much personal risk there. If he did come back, I think he would come back for a head coaching job, but it seems like he enjoys the TV gig.
I imagine that Jackson is too closely associated with the disaster in 2007 for Blank so I’m not sure he would ever be seriously considered.
My best guess is that he basically nailed the interview and at least said all of the right things if not coming up with a good plan for what he would do with the offense here.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
I am scratching my head too
when the Jags hired MM after a zero point performance from his offense we thought the Jags are dumb. well, we returned the favor by brining someone from them.
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Sadly, well said Gemini.
I’m trying to look at the positive though. They did throw a lot to the RB. The vaunted screen may rear it’s ugly head more than once a game now.
by aces666high on Jan 15, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest concern is...
Are our players going to give this guy a chance? Everybody is talking about how frustrated our fan base is, but what about the guys in the locker room? You know our receivers have got to be frustrated and it showed on the field last season with countless careless drops. The NFL is a what have you done for me lately kind of league and lets be honest the only thing this guy has done is lead one of the worst offenses of all time. While it isn’t his fault because he had less than shit to work with it still just doesn’t seem like a good idea because of how our season just ended and the kind of guys we have on offense. I’m going to give this guy a chance, I say that like I have a choice lol, but this is solely why I wanted to bring in a guy like Sumlin from Houston. Sumlin is a young coach that would have gotten our guys fired up but instead we just went with a guy who is going to bring mixed emotions from the fan base as well as the locker room.
I think the roster make up
will play a huge part in that. We have a ton of restricted free agents and TD made it sound like we weren’t going to be bringing back too many guys. I think that’s a little misdirection myself, although I highly doubt some of the older guys will be returning.
by ErrantFalcon on Jan 15, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
people keep saying
that he had nothing to work with. Didnt he have a say on drafting? Free agency? Or was he kicked out of the clubhouse after the last game of the season until FTA’s?
Dont cloud the issue with facts!
Brilliant minds can only go so far with limited talent
I mentioned Belichick down below. He had nothing in Cleveland, and everyone should know what he did with the Pats.
I don’t know if Koetter is a brilliant mind or not, but he sounds like a very smart man who loves talking offense. He had nothing in JAX. Garrard was decent, MJD was their only real weapon, and Gabbert was fail.
Plus, it’s not like this is all about scheme. His scheme also relies on intelligent players who know what to do and when. He’ll teach HD to make moves to get by the first guy at the LoS for an 18 yard route. He’ll teach our RB to run different kinds of passing routes out of the backfield.
I like what I see. It’s not a sexy name, but it doesn’t have to be. I know our FO did their homework on this one.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
HD knows how to get open
did you watch the first Saints game? Raheem has a better resuume that Koetter. Would you have been happy if he were our choice for DC?
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by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
HD was open because we shellshocked them with him, if I remember right
That last drive of the game where he was mega open was due partly due to confusion on defense.
Also, I’d have been happy if they had chosen him because I have faith in the front office to make the right decision.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
Save your faith for the Lord
here among the mortals it’s results. We have JAXs offensive and defensive coordinators now. Don’t see it.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
We won't have the Jacksonville D coordinator
I can promise you that.
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Aha! Got ya axe murderer!
Mike Smith was their ….well you know.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
I knew what you meant
But you know how these threads are. Pretty soon half the blog would have hired Jack Del Rio in their minds.
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Must you always steal the thunder?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I minored in Thunder Stealing
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by Dave Choate on Jan 15, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jack Del Rio just isn't going to accept a job
To come and work for a guy who used to be his linebackers coach. It’s hard to imagine willingly going to work for your former assistant if you have other offers, and a guy like Del Rio should find work elsewhere.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
I truly don't know what to make of this
except that Dimitroff knows the score. If he sat in the press conference saying, “don’t worry”, or “you know nothing” then I would be furious. However, he says he knows the team needs changing, so you gotta trust him and see what happens.
I am concerned with Koetter leading the 31st offense, but then again, look what happened in Green Bay.
The Jaguar connection worries me, but as of now, I will sit back and see what happens.
If this phase of the Falcons play so freaking soft, as the last phase did, then I will say the verdict will be in on Dimitroff.
Please get us a rising “genius” as DC.
Mr. Mustard
Maybe our audibles will no longer be named after cars.
Positive thinking!
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by Duff_Man on Jan 15, 2012 12:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
Haha!! Let the appliance era...begin!!!!
by aces666high on Jan 15, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'd prefer
“Cross your heart”
“Full figure full figure”
“double barrelled catapult”
“training training”
“Underwire” (for a screen)
“upper decker flopper stopper”
I mean…if we are looking for new names to call our audibles, might as well get the MLB of the other team to go “huh?” and than start laughing, right?
Dont cloud the issue with facts!
by muuzilla on Jan 15, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
“Mansierre, 24! Mansierre 24~ Hut hut!”
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
If we're going that route
I demand “Booty Sweat” be an audible.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Booty Sweat
would be QB sneak as he gets McClure’s booty sweat on his facemask. No thanks. NYG game makes me dread QB sneaks…
Dont cloud the issue with facts!
Glad to see we're able to joke about it
Great idea, though. I can just see “Mansierre, Mansierre” causing a DT to look up and lose his focus right before getting steamrolled by Turner…
Will wait and see
Going to give this a chance. I would have just as well of gone after a young aggressive mind from college ranks as having the Falcons getting another coach from the Jags. I thought we would get someone that would look at the players with another idea on how the offense could and would be ran. Lets hope that coaches have the nerve and excitement that coaches bring to a team like San Francisco. As fans we are ready to win and we are willing to stand with coaches even on 4th down failures we just want that winning spirit. Totally aggressive and with the will to win. Take the ball down at end of and game with the idea to put it in the end zone, not get into field goal range, which has been the Falcons thinking for way way too long.
He was a very successful collegiate coach.
Now with some NFL experience, so he’s not completey overwhelmed. I think this is a good hire. Still got the college fire, but not in over his head either.
I didn't hate MM, so...
…this hire doesn’t bother me. It doesn’t excite me either. My guess is Smitty & TD wanted to bring someone they knew would fit into the system/culture they are cultivating. Also, I’m guess faith is being put in Ryan to be a successful field general regardless of whoever fills the role of offensive coordinator.
…
Anyone want to bet Del Rio becomes our next defensive coordinator???
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by Blue Falcon on Jan 15, 2012 1:09 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
The Jags
With very little offensive talent, were pretty good last year. I mean, their best receiver was Mike Sims-Walker/Mike Thomas, MJD was banged up, and David Gerrard was the QB. This is pretty much the lamest hire possible, but maybe he was just held back by the serious lack of talent the Jags have.
I like this hire i think he will work out he is not the attractive big name hire we all wanted
but i think he will work out fine just like mm offense he will use a lot of different formations unlike mm he will want to call plays and have Matt Ryan push the ball down field more.At Arizona State DK used mostly a one back set under center as their main formation.I read a few weeks ago DK was pushing to get the head coaching job at Hawaii but they chose Norm Chow over him.
CORONATION STARSCREAM?THIS IS BAD COMEDY!! WILL ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPT TO FILL HIS SHOES?-GALVATRON
This Could Be Like
When we drafted matt ryan, I know we all were happy but also worried (see joey harrington) and prob wanted the safe pick (glen dorsey) but it worked out so let’s hope this is the same thing
by Nedk23 on Jan 15, 2012 1:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Or this could be like
When we wanted to draft LaRon Landry, didn’t have a back-up plan, panicked when he wasn’t there, and quickly took Jamaal Anderson.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
should have drafted Revis
but oh well
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 15, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
My first response was WTF!!
My second is God I really hope MS and TD know what they’re doing.
our front office is too lazy
to fire people and hire others from the outside
Wait and Watch.
When TD and MS were hired 4 years ago, I thought Falcons were going down the drain for another 3 or 4 years because of a no name hire. Lets see what the new OC can do,hopefully that also means Ryan will be more in command of the offense by calling his own plays.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 15, 2012 1:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Dirk Koetter is Garbage
This is the best OC we can get after hearing a week of hellfire and brimstone lectures from the front office? There is no upside to 32nd ranked offensive coordinator. Of cource there is room for improvement, he’s the worst in the league. Words can’t understate my level of disapointment. If we’re picking up OC’s of the NFL’s scrap heap…why take the worst? This is not the man to guide the offense to the next level.
We're finished
Or maybe we aren’t. I don’t know what to think of this hire other than that it is underwhelming and that it will not give fans any confidence. The bar is pretty low, though. Mularkey didn’t get much out of a goodly number of people in this offense. If Koetter can get more out of them, then he’ll be alright.
by Thrashy Thrashy on Jan 15, 2012 2:01 PM EST reply actions
Great. Sounds like a downgrade
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 15, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well...
I get the feeling that getting Mularkey out will change the offense for the better by osmosis, so Koetter is stepping into a good situation.
by Thrashy Thrashy on Jan 15, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
then again, while the jags passing game sucked
There run game like the Texans could run the ball even when the defense knew you going to run.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Jan 15, 2012 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Looking at the year before
instead of last is a better way to judge. With just a serviceable qb(Gerrard) they were able to get some pretty good production. Gabbert is just bad, Ryan is not.
I will admit.
I had to look the man up. First thought was Who is he? Which was good. I I figured he was going to be some kind of rising star or something when I went trying to find out about him. Then I looked up Who is he. Then it sounds not so good. However by the time I read my way down to here I am optimistic the maybe this guy can use JJ for something beside a toss here and there and “go far go fast” A screen to a big strong and fast guy like JJ might work more often than not.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 15, 2012 2:09 PM EST reply actions
The positive thing to look at is
MJD managed to get the rushing title with zero passing offense. A QB not ready to play in the pros, with no WRs that should be anywhere near the top of the depth chart.
So schematically, he must have been doing something right. I will try to stay positive on this.
On another note, Greg Williams has left for St Louis, and the Saints are now pursuing Spags and Nolan. So once again we are battling the Saints.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 15, 2012 2:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In other words
I think the guy has potential, MS and TD now if they bomb this, they could be out of jobs. So I don’t think they made this decision half assed. He did produce a very good Jags offense in 07.
Look for a new RB and TE in the draft, in addition to some OL in draft and FA.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 15, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
MT was third in rushing
it’s a passing league. You fight the war of the future, not the past.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
But we were also top 10 in passing, which makes running a lot easier. MJD getting the title with an abysmal passing offense is impressive, and the coach has to get some of the credit.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Why????????????
I find myself questioning my loyalty to this team now…………..
Why hire the gu with the worst offense in the league?
Because Mike Smith isn't Bobby Petrino
which makes him a genius.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, folks
Do you honestly think people that are getting paid 6 (maybe 7) figures would hire the same kind of guy that just sent our O to zero points in a playoff game? Come on, these (most of them) people have college degrees and have spent the bulk of their lives in football and studying football.
Also, Koetter has some sort of connection to Smitty, like they were assistants together or something.
Also also, if MJD can run the rushing title with Blaine “Yuck” Gabbert at the helm, then maybe we can do something with him. But regardless, you saw the quote he gave, this won’t be a sissy offense anymore.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 2:22 PM EST reply actions
I know TD
has a college degree, he got it in Canada. Woooo Canadians connection on the Falcons.
I meant in general.
But he’s a smart man. Lot of people don’t like this, and I’m saying let’s see what Dirk gives us before we crucify him.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Crucify him??
By stating our opinion?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying you said anything
but a few people have talked like they personally dislike the guy. I’m just saying.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Well I'm washing my hands of it...I know you get it
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Well
This IS the same front office that hired Mike Mularkey in the first place, and then kept him for four years. We complained madly about Mularkey most of last season and last offseason, but the front office kept him around. And what was the result? Who came out looking smarter in that regard, the fanbase or the front office? Not saying that the fanbase in general is smarter-there was certainly a lot of doubt and skepticism about the Mike Smith hire and the Matt Ryan pick. But we certainly shouldn’t have blind faith that the front office is going to make the smart move.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Mularkey was fine the first 2 years
but he never adjusted while the rest of the league adjusted to him. He also seemed to become a horrible in-game play-caller. I agree that cracks appeared in 2010 that should have been addressed but the team did go 13-3.
I hate defending the guy because he drove me crazy the last couple years, but let’s not act like he was retarded from day one.
Also also also
That guy Bill Belichick sure was a boss in Cleveland, wasn’t he?
….oh, wait.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 2:23 PM EST reply actions
Caleb I get where you come from and, no surprise to you I love it
I used to be you. But now, older I look at how I hire I hire based upon results not hopes and dreams. If you wanna’ hire somebody from JAX then hire Mel Tucker. This isn’t college which is why people based upon experience. Life is math and math is numbers and what are his numbers?
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by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions
Belichick had one winning season in Cleveland.
I understand his numbers are not good, but I feel like, with how angry the group was at the press conference, they wouldn’t make a hire that defied logic.
Remember the post I made a few weeks ago about MM’s offense being brilliant in design, but flawed in execution? What if we brought in the exact same offense, but had a brilliant mind calling the plays instead of Fisher Price Spinning Wheel Animal Noise Thing calling the plays? I’d be alright with that, because I think we would see better results.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 15, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
You would be happy with 16 screen passes?
because that was MMs “intelligent design”
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by FrozenFinger on Jan 15, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Hiring
Evolves as you do it and mess a few up. I can’t look at Mr. Blank’s expression Wed. And not expect him to have a hand, and he’s hired more talent than all of us. So, I’d give Caleb a break on this one. Blank went fron trusting to watching very very closely.
No FF, that was failure to execute
Screen passes were in the offense, but they were never run. Plus, an offense is more than just a screen game. The multitude of formations and
Screens are a part of the play calling, but the offensive design was very good. We just didn’t run anything worth running.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 16, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
jacksonville is laughing their asses off
by ocfalcon on Jan 15, 2012 2:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Everyone
is laughing their asses off. But I did the same when Auburn hired Chiznik, and he has done all right.
But geez, we had a golden opportunity to change this offense and pick the guy that ran the WORST offense in the league. The worst. That is just incredible to me. I mean, how did the conversation go,TD/MS “How bout this guy?” Blank “He is the worst in the league.” TD/MS “Yeah, but we know him and he is a nice guy that will fit in with our culture.” Blank “OK.”
Most of the time when there are hires like this, you can typically say, at least he is not the worse guy out there. Can’t even say that here.
I have to assume step two is getting the DC for the worse defense in 2011.
If this is what you get by careful and through analysis, TD’s upcoming personnel moves are going to leave us breathless.
by Whopper Dawg on Jan 15, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i popped over to the Jax forum
they seemed split. Some thought he would do well over here with our talent, while some asked why he would get a job after their offense bumbled.
I think we should at least give him a chance. If mid way through the season are offense still stumbles in big games, than we can pull out the pitchforks and torches.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 15, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Give the benefit of the doubt.
I have to give Dimitrioff and Smith the benefit of the doubt here. Even though the Jags were dead last in offense you have to keep in mind they had nothing on offense besides MJD. I doubt Arthur Blank would let TD or MS hire an OC if it was just going to be more of the same.
by falconfanatic79 on Jan 15, 2012 3:02 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully someone else didn't post this already, but a quote from Koetter:
"It’s not like you’re in 2×2 and you’re throwing quick outs to the outside and stick routes to the inside. You might complete that concept 67 percent of the time, but you’re only getting six yard plays. However, you may complete four verticals 48 percent of the time but you’re getting 18 yard gains, those are the kinds of plays I like better. I don’t like to work hard for four yard gains." Dirk Koetter, OC, Jacksonville Jaguars
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I'm getting a bit discouraged, now
I liked that quote the first time I saw it, but since it’s been posted like 4 different times already, I’m wondering if that’s the only quote anyone can find of him saying anything. That bothers me.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Someone already posted this link too...
but his concepts (even though he only mentions the four verticals) are very well put-together.
http://xandolabs.com/2011/07/dirk-koetter-exclusive-interview/
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Here's more from DK
DK: If they are a good quarters team, whether they are a 4-3 or in nickel coverage, they will try to re-route your inside receivers with their outside linebackers. They have safeties essentially playing man over the top. I’m not a big believer that you can hit your benders against quarters coverage. Anything can be done, and I’ve seen it done. But I think that’s a low percentage play. I think the percentage play against quarters in four verticals is you’re working your outside guys on some kind of stops or lock stops. If you’re seeing quarters with off coverage, any kind of out-breaking route or a comeback or stop route at 15 yards is like a pitch and catch. The other thing is if the outside backers are trying to re-route number two and run underneath number one, that Mike linebacker has a ton of room he has to cover with the back.
Read more: http://xandolabs.com/2011/07/dirk-koetter-exclusive-interview/#ixzz1jZthrHsg
I say this will be a great hire in the end people. Remember when we would have 4 WR sets and MR2 would be throwing all over the place and driving right down the field with the no huddle? Well guess what, THAT’S DK’S BASE OFFENSE!!!!
Let me let that sink in for ya………….
Our offense is gonna be much more explosive. Plus the RB will be used a lot in the passing game – Quizz?, almost always giving Ryan a checkdown. He even sounds like he knows more than one way to attack defenses – WTF? This guy will be light years ahead of MM. Light Years I tell ya!!
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
by ATLsince1972 on Jan 15, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
that's wildly inaccurate (DK's base offense)
in 2010, JAX ran 4+ WR’s on only 2% of their plays – 28th in the league (from Football Outsiders Almanac 2011).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I'm frankly amazed by the level of despair from this hire
We’ve all bitched about the vertical passing attack being awful and not being willing to come out of the conservative shell Mularkey had us in. Koetter’s known for his mastery of that attack and his ability to run a more aggressive version of the Mularkey system. Is it the complete change we were hoping for? It might not be. Is it likely to be an improvement, at least over the things we had such huge problems with? I don’t think it’s outlandish to suggest it is.
Look, I’ll totally acknowledge that this dude could fail and fail hard. I’m no oracle. But I’ve actually seen fans say there’s nothing anyone can say to convince them that this guy will be any good. That’s fargin’ insane.
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Not insane really
Personally I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt for time being. Now the howevers …
1. We bring in another Jax coach where we keep getting posts about how Del Rio kept his coordinators hands tied. We also have posts that the rumors are such that Smitty is a little bit guilty of the same thing. So are we bringing in someone that can improve the offense or be just another mouth piece. Let’s face it if the Jags get better and we don’t I think that question will be answered since the Jag’s now have our coaches.
2. Let’s see who we hire for DC. If it another coach like this one then I think we will have the answer to my first point. We have good talent on our D that is not getting used properly. They have had 4 years to get the players for their schemes on both sides of the ball. There should be no reason to be blowing up the roster.
3. The overall problem has not been the defense it has been a very inconsistant offense that keeps the D playing to its weaknesses and not its strengths.
Thanks, Dave
I wish people would actually do some research before calling for his head.
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new OC
YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE NFL AND COLLEGE FOOTBALL TO DRAW FROM AND THIS IS WHAT YOU COME UP WITH???
DID THE FALCS FRONT OFFICE MAKE A DEAL WITH THE JAGS TO SWITCH OC’S?????
MIKE SMITH IS GOING TO GET HIMSELF FIRED FOR PLAYING THIS “GOOD OLE
BOY” AND “HE’S MY PAL” STUFF!!!!!!
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Did you watch the press conference? Do you want to blow another $3K watching a college coach learn the NFL is faster? Do you want to hire a former HC for a year and out? Do you think Smith would risk his career for an acquaintance? The real talent pool is pretty limited if we want a five year run. If we could do their jobs, we’d all have yachts.
Wasn't his fault he had to play like MM
bad QB (s), no WR’s, terrible line, the one bright star being MJD. Why wouldn’t he call a run-first offense?>
Not sure Dirk is an upgrade....maybe jags got the better dea.
Dirk Koetter
Jags 2007 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 7 Rushing Off 2//Passing Off 17
Jags 2008 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 20 Rushing Off 18//Passing Off 15
Jags 2009 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 18 Rushing Off 12//Passing Off 19
Jags 2010 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 15 Rushing Off 3//Passing Off 27
Jags 2011 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 32 Rushing Off 12//Passing Off 32
Bob Bratkowski
Sea 1995 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 13 Rushing Off 3//Passing Off 22
Sea 1996 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 19 Rushing Off 5//Passing Off 24
Sea 1997 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 3 Rushing Off 13//Passing Off 1
Sea 1998 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 23 Rushing Off 22//Passing Off 24
Cin 2001 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 23 Rushing Off 18//Passing Off 23
Cin 2002 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 18 Rushing Off 21//Passing Off 13
Cin 2003 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 13 Rushing Off 13//Passing Off 12
Cin 2004 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 18 Rushing Off 17//Passing Off 17
Cin 2005 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 6 Rushing Off 11//Passing Off 5
Cin 2006 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 8 Rushing Off 26//Passing Off 6
Cin 2007 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 10 Rushing Off 24//Passing Off 7
Cin 2008 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 32 Rushing Off 29//Passing Off 30
Cin 2009 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 24 Rushing Off 9//Passing Off 26
Cin 2010 OVERALL OFFENSE RANK: 20 Rushing Off 27//Passing Off 13
I will say this
Nothing about this hire makes sense. Does anyone have any logical explanation of how the Falcons hired an OC who’s offense ranked dead last in football? Granted they didn’t have pieces in place. Now what happens if the Falcons offense takes a step back?
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by Edgecrusher211 on Jan 15, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Tell you what.
I will give you an offense made up of players that wouldn’t even make the practice squad on 31 other teams then say it is your fault when they perform bad. Stats tell quite a bit but not the whole story. If you want to go by stats we should be pissed MM got hired away because hey.. we ranked 10th in yards per game and 7th in points per game.
by Falcons Fan in WA on Jan 15, 2012 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
If the choices were going to be between Bratkowski or Koetter then we lost out.
Koetter has done nothing in Jax; While Bratkowski offense has been somewhat successful in two organizations. While neither would have not been my first or top choice. When looking at it I would have chosen Bratkoswki over Koeter especially if we wanted to upgrade our passing game.
In Seattle Bratkowski had the 1997 #3 offense in the NFL and the #1 passing game…which is amazing due to the fact that the club had no talent… All three years there the rushing offense was 3, 5, and 13…In 10 years in Cincinnati he had a run from 05-07 were the passing offense was ranked 5, 6, and 7…and the overall offense was ranked 6, 8, and 10 in the NFL… Not to mention in 2007, Palmer became the fifth-fastest player (59 games) in NFL history to reach the 100 mark in TD passes. Palmer knocked Brett Favre and Daunte Culpepper out of the top five in the category, and joined a group that also includes two Hall of Famers (Dan Marino and Johnny Unitas), a surefire future Hall of Famer (Peyton Manning) and a Super Bowl winner with Hall of Fame potential (Kurt Warner). Over 2004-06, Rudi Johnson’s 4221 rushing yards were the most by any Bengal in a three-season span. Earlier under Bratkowski’s watch, Dillon posted a pair of 1300-yard seasons, and QB Jon Kitna saw his stock as an NFL starter revived. Also We can see how Cedric Benson career has been resurrected in the Bengals offense.
While Dirk is better than B. Schottenheimer not sure if he is better than Bratkowski…Jags may have gotten the better deal..
Dirk has never had a Wide out or TE with over 1,000yds…His best year came when the jags had a monster Defense and the team still had Fred Taylor and Jones drew….The rushing Offense was ranked 7…the passing offense was ranked 15….
Most reception by a Wide Koetter Wide out….65….Most yards…868… good news…is Garrard complete over 60% of passes under Koetter….
I think we lost out….we shoudl have went after a coordinator who has done more than Bratkowski….not one who wishes he had the resume of Bratkowski
While he doesn't knock my socks off
I always thought the OC really just had to install a good system, add some plays and then let Matt Ryan run the offense.Our current system isn’t bad, just used poorly. I’m more concerned with the DC right now. We have an effective play-caller on offense in MR. We don’t have it on defense, so the coach has to make up that deficiency.
Really hoping he doesn't served double duty as QB coach as well.
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We don't have to continue to settle Atlanta. We're better than that.
no passive acceptance here
I’m thrilled with it now.
He seems to want to open up the offense, and with the exception of Jax, he’s had success.
I think he’ll be a great fit.
by KEScottII on Jan 15, 2012 5:55 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
not only that
But give MS and TD some credit. Those guys do their homework. They new Mularkey was gone, and they clearly had him on the radar. They have had some misses, sure, but overall they have built this franchise into a contender.
In mike and Tom we trust!!!
by KEScottII on Jan 15, 2012 6:01 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I feel like I've been punched in the balls
Twice, that is all. Seriously, it was the worst name on the list. I hope I’m wrong.
THE OC AND DC
matter not unless the players want it as badly as the Aints and Niner players did yesterday.
and another thing
GB is dropping a lot of passes…
by KEScottII on Jan 15, 2012 6:17 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Time for 2012 NFL Draft mode….
For Atlanta’s 1st pick in 2nd Round – Fluker…..
by JCush on Jan 15, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Wow.. jaw dropping hire!!
I’m trying to stay optimistic here but damn…… I was hoping we’d get somebody with a WC offense for one thing.. Also, thought we’d get a name with a better track record considering we should be able to get anybody we want with all the talent on offense we have to offer.. Either TD is a friggin genius or a complete dumbass and only time will tell..
Ill give him a shot
But it all relies on MR.
by pierre02 on Jan 15, 2012 7:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is Dirk the rebound girlfriend?
That’s all I can guess cause nothing about this feels right. Couldn’t he wait a week? People saying they’ll give him a shot….well what else are you going to do? I’m pissed.
Welcome back Koetter
from reading the X & O column, I like the hire. We saw what Ryan to JJ can do with those seam routes under Mularkey, more of that please sir. Oh, and turn Rodgers into MJD Mk2.
Incredible who would have thought an SF/Giants NFC Championship Series. Congrats to both teams playing at very high levels. Doubt NE will be able to run over Giants or SF defense like they did with Denver, but this playoff series have been exciting this year.
by JCush on Jan 15, 2012 7:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Play the ball, not the man
So Koetter presided over the worst offense in the league last year. It was also the least talented offense in every department apart from RB (and debatebly TE).
On pure numbers, Mularkey looks decent, but we know they don’t tell the full story. Koetter has a philosophy that suits our personnel and what we’re looking to achieve. Don’t throw him under the bus just yet.
by Sabre on Jan 15, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
He certainly wouldn’t have been top of my list, but your points about stats and philosophies are bang on. Quite a few people around the league seem to think he’s a good hire and that his lack of success in Jacksonville is the exception, not the rule.
This will be a very good hire in the end people.
DK’s philosophy is geared towards our talent. He likes to use Big fast WR’s for fade routes – JJ, RB’s in the screen game – Quizz, and RB’s on routes against the MLB – Snell or a FA pick up. His passing game philosophy will also benefit Ryan because it will give him options on every play. He also still believes in a balanced attack – Turner. And it sounds as if the guy actually knows how to adjust DURING the game even. lol
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
For the incredibly pissed and ready to jump...
For those of you who are so mad about this hiring, you’re thinking about leaving this team behind: be my guest. No one is stopping you and no one is begging you to stay. The true fans will continue to support this team in good and bad. I was rooting for Redman during 2007 and I’ll be rooting for Ryan in 2012. You’re welcome to join me.
For those who think TD and MS are complete idiots and should be fired immediately: How about you invite them into your workplace and let them scrutinize everything you do. I’m sure you are perfect in every facet. I’m sure that every decision you’ve ever made has worked perfectly. I’m sure that when you were faced with a destroyed franchise and fan-base that you had all the right plans.
For those of you who can be level headed: Look deeper. Look at what Koetter had to work with and what he accomplished. Look at what his peers say and how they respect him. Look at his philosophies on offense and how it matches up to our roster. Look at the record that TD and MS have amassed in 4 years – inheriting a broken franchise expected to squander for years rebuilding. If those things collectively don’t at least give you some inkling of hope, then there’s nothing left to say.
I’m anxious to see what he’ll do with our weapons and how Matty will develop underneath him. I am choosing to believe that we will be in for some pleasant surprises in 2012.
by The DW on Jan 15, 2012 8:31 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'm pissed but not ready to jump
and I understand he had 0 pieces other than MJD, who was the leagues best, in JAX, but it just seems like they could have gone somewhere else to me. That said, TD and MS do have a history of avoiding the big splashy headline grabbing players, and turning them into solid team players, but I’m just pretty skeptical at this point. Obviously I’d love nothing more than for DK to come out and give us the best league’s offense, everyone can say I told you so, but to me it seems like there had to be better options than the 32nd offense OC.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 15, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
One more thing to chew on
Through Koetter’s first four years with the Jaguars (2007-10), the team’s offense ranked 13th in the NFL in total yards (338.6 per game), sixth in rushing (134.2), fifth in third-down conversions (43.0%), and fifth in average yards per rush (4.5). In his first season with the Jaguars, Koetter directed a record-breaking season as the offense set franchise records for points (411, 25.7 avg.), touchdowns (50), and touchdown passes (28).
The things that stand out to me: fifth in third down conversion and fifth in average yards per rush. This shows the guy knows how to keep offensive drives going and he knows how to put together a very solid running game – not just running up the middle. The fact that MJD was able to eclipse 1600 yards this season when he was the ONLY offense they had says a tremendous amount about this schemes.
Now that he’ll have several top-tier receivers and a top-10 QB to work with, I imagine he’s going to have a field day.
This franchise is destined to fail
We’re trying to become an explose offense so we give the role to the ‘MJD for everything’ guy? If the JAX game was MM’s audition, then how the hell was MS impressed with DK’s audition?
Look, i’ll probably be wrong, and I don’t have any level of knowledge about how good he was at college level, but this just seems like one of the most mediocre signings available to me. If he doesn’t give us a top….7 offense, I will be so furious. If he gets us the 10th best offense in the league I’ll be pissed, because this is a top 5 group, and if we just make safe signings at OC then we’re never going to get any better. This team is just forsaken.
I appreciate he didn’t have ANYTHING to work with in Jacksonville, but if having good pieces means he’ll step up then MM must have been really really really inconceivably bad to do so poorly with the pieces we have. Slightly better might be better in reality, but in my opinion it isn’t. We need to be a lot better, and I just don’t think a conservative OC is the way to go.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 15, 2012 10:26 PM EST reply actions
You should read the links
Because he’s anything but conservative.
I've read a few
and I read the ESPN NFC South one which I felt was the best at encaptulating his philosophies, and I appreciate you’ll lean on the run when MJD is your only above average player on the team. I’m just concerned that this was a bit of a decision that, if it fails, could doom this entire era of falcons. Spoon, Julio and MR will all be nearing/in their 30s by the time we’ll have another shot at the SB if this doesn’t suceed in the next 2 years. It just seems very very high risk/reward for a usually level headed FO.
As I say, I’d love to be proven wrong, but it just scares me.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 16, 2012 6:28 AM EST up reply actions
Mark my words
You will be proven wrong burner.
I am VERY confident with this pick. The only thing that concerns me is the Oline play.
by KEScottII on Jan 16, 2012 7:47 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm not the typical "homer" fan
And have been very critical of some FO moves.
But this isn’t one of them. Fans need to give this a shot… They will be pleased with the results.
by KEScottII on Jan 16, 2012 7:49 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Unless our talent isn't as talented as we think
Next two years will do well to determine just how good MM was.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 16, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Also, all this said I still think our DC hire is more important than our OC hire
seeing as our offense can run itself at times, and we have pieces on D but not anything close to an NFL grade scheme yet.
by Turner_The_Burner on Jan 16, 2012 6:29 AM EST up reply actions
Let's see how the FA and the draft go
Then we can see how this is going to go. Especially free agency. Some of things being said about who we keep and let go concern me since our O line was decent until we lost Dahl and had McClure injured and the chemistry went away because of it
I hope you all remember to eat your crow.
It’s really quite ridiculous how somebody who doesn’t know the first thing about Koetter could feel so strongly that he is a bad choice. Be honest, 99% of you don’t know anything about this guy or running an offense in the NFL.
Koetter is much, much better than all of you realize. He will adjust to the talent on our roster, and he WILL NOT be intent on moving the ball five yards at a time. This is exactly what you all were asking for, and you don’t even know it.
This will go down as a great hire by the Falcons, and I hope all of you morons come back to eat your crow 12 months from now.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
by gilley on Jan 15, 2012 11:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
READ the BOTTOM LINE
he Jaguars ranked 17th, 15th, 19th and 27th in passing in Koetter’s four seasons, but were second in rushing in 2007 and third this season. They were 18th in 2008 and 10th last season in rushing.
Overall, the Koetter offenses ranked seventh, 26th, 18th and 15th.
Koetter actually came to the Jaguars with the reputation of running a more wide-open offense with the emphasis at throwing to the tight end, but he adjusted to the Jaguars’ personnel.
It wasn’t until this season when Marcedes Lewis caught 58 passes that the tight end played a major role.
Koetter, who played college football at Idaho State, started his career as a high school coach in 1983-84 and then made stops as an assistant at five schools before becoming the head coach at Boise State in 1998.
Koetter went 26-10 in three seasons there before getting the Arizona State job in 2001. He went 40-34 in six years, but was 1-11 against top 10 teams and 2-19 against ranked teams.
New Guy here on the Falcoholic with my take
I know that Blank, TD, and Coach Smith want to win and bring this city a championship and I trust that they would not hire someone who would be just like or even more conservative than Mike Mularkey was. Furthermore, after thinking about what pat said he shouldn’t be judged by what his offense in Jacksonville because the only person who could have ran that offense successfully would have to be God himself lol, because they are just really bad. With all that being said i am looking forward to seeing this offense with a new OC and a FULL offseason to get everyone on the same page. I just really hope that we can get Mike Nolan or spaggs for our DC, and I would love for use to bring in landry for the seconday and get Mario Williams to help shore up our defensive line. And hopefully our DC will use more of a press coverage so Dunta and our other corners can play more to their strengths.
Cut Mike Smith some slack, the last 4 years are the best the falcons have ever had..didnt the mighty packers just get beat by the same bunch that beat us, didnt unstopable Brees get stopped..I wonder if the Packer and Saints fans are trashing there organizations like most of the Falcons fans are..WAKE UP FALCON FANS..and stand behind them..remember any given Sunday
His RECORD
We’re screwed, MM ll———————————-he Jaguars ranked 17th, 15th, 19th and 27th in passing in Koetter’s four seasons, but were second in rushing in 2007 and third this season. They were 18th in 2008 and 10th last season in rushing.
Overall, the Koetter offenses ranked seventh, 26th, 18th and 15th.
Koetter actually came to the Jaguars with the reputation of running a more wide-open offense with the emphasis at throwing to the tight end, but he adjusted to the Jaguars’ personnel.
It wasn’t until this season when Marcedes Lewis caught 58 passes that the tight end played a major role.
Koetter, who played college football at Idaho State, started his career as a high school coach in 1983-84 and then made stops as an assistant at five schools before becoming the head coach at Boise State in 1998.
Koetter went 26-10 in three seasons there before getting the Arizona State job in 2001. He went 40-34 in six years, but was 1-11 against top 10 teams and 2-19 against ranked teams.
So basically
we are going to continue to pick up players and staff from the jags. Seems like Mr. Smith is trying to turn us into the jags.
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