A Wishlist For A New Atlanta Falcons Defense
Yesterday, we looked over the offense. Today, I tackle the defense.
To be clear, this is the unit that needs less work overall, assuming the Falcons don't blow it up by refusing to re-sign any of their free agents. I say that knowing that they are still an inconsistent unit with a couple of glaring flaws. I also say that as a huge believer in the talent assembled, especially if they're all allowed to do what they do best.
As I did yesterday, I'm going to limit myself to three facets of the D I would change regardless of the coordinator coming in. If you're take the jump with me, you can check them out. Afterwards, add to the list.
1) A better pass rush. I'd give up my kingdom for this.
The talent is here. If the Falcons bring back John Abraham, they have one elite pass rusher, albeit an aging one. Lawrence Sidbury is growing as a player. Ray Edwards has the talent, even if he was ultimately a disappointment as a pass rusher in 2011. Kroy Biermann (if he returns) and promising Cliff Matthews can contribute in a rotation, and the Falcons have enough speed in the linebacking corps to get it done there.
No matter who the coordinator is, they have to get more out of this unit. Even if Thomas Dimitroff brings in new veteran and rookie pass rushers, the entire system needs to be overhauled. This was the major weakness of every Brian Van Gorder Falcons' defense. They could get into the backfield, but getting sustained pressure was rare, and actual sacks were even more rare.
So the new scheme needs to be more aggressive. It needs to do away with that soft zone, which let quarterbacks get out of trouble when the rush is coming. It needs to emphasize the Falcons' best pass rushers and put them in a position to succeed. And it needs to be sustained over a 16 game season, not crop up for stretches.
If the Falcons can get after the quarterback successfully, a lot of other problems fade away.
2) Kill the soft zone. I'm not saying you can't play zone, period. A good zone defense can cover the field well and take advantage of mistakes.
But it's become increasingly clear that the Falcons' personnel does not thrive in a soft zone, excepting the talented Brent Grimes. Dunta Robinson is a physical corner who has spent the last two seasons in a system that is mostly a poor fit for his talents. Chris Owens has the speed to keep up with anyone, and Dominique Franks is a nice mix of the two. You could make the reasonable argument that all three would be better off in a man coverage scheme, or at least a tight zone. I would.
At the very least, it buys you another split second to rush the passer. The Falcons could definitely use that.
So it's time to start letting those guys play the way they want to, and let Thomas DeCoud and William Moore worry less about catching up and more about sticking to other teams' tight ends and delivering hits. That assumes DeCoud is back, of course. It's time to stop giving up plays underneath and letting them turn into big plays because the Falcons miss a tackle. Speaking of which...
3) Emphasize sound tackling and good angles. This is Football 101, yes, but it's necessary.
The Falcons range from average to horrendous at tackling. They've struggled to bring down quarterbacks. They've bounced off of running backs. They've half-heartedly wrapped an arm around the shoulders of many a wide receiver and then fallen down. It's completely and totally inexcusable. I'm willing to bet they could have saved a few hundred yards and a few scores if they got after the guy holding the ball and actually, you know, hit him.
And the angles. The angles. Thomas DeCoud has gotten such a terrible rap primarily because he never seems to take the right angle to the ball carrier. He's a very talented player and he was among the team leaders in a lot of categories, but that doesn't seem to matter when you're taking a parabola to a guy ten yards away. It really helps to explain why so many Falcons fans are ambivalent.
These are all smart, quality dudes who have been playing football their whole lives. They know the deal. Sometimes even the best need to be reminded that the basics matter, though, and these Falcons just need a refresher on the small stuff. If they play mistake-free football, it'll improve the defense dramatically.
So those are my three. Add yours to the list.
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I couldnt agree more...
Its the details that make a difference in league.
by Bigru3 on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I Think We Can
All agree on this post you’ve covered all the important areas, one I would like too add is swagger and toughness people called us out all year and we’ve done nothing bout it, hit hard hit mean and play with a pourpose. That being said we should go after mario williams, michael griffin or laron landry to sure up the D but then again its all gonna depend on the DC, finally loft resigned and grimes is gone sorry guys
by Nedk23 on Jan 13, 2012 8:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
grimes is gone?
I see lofton and grimes being the two guys we have to sign. Abraham would be nice but realistically he’s only got maybe two years left.
by ocfalcon on Jan 13, 2012 9:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
mario williams would be great
But I don’t see us having the money to sign him.
by ocfalcon on Jan 13, 2012 9:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Grimes i hate to say it my friends
is just a tab bit overrated he was the most thrown at corner last yr why he had a lot of picks, but he can only thrive in a zone scheme and we clearly dont want the zone scheme as much as i like him being a 5’9 corner in man wont work hell get bodied
I think Grimes isn't overrated
He’s a great fit for the scheme the Falcons were running. Given that they’re likely to switch that up and he’s likely to want a huge contract, I just don’t see it happening.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 13, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
He's overrated in the nnamdi asoumugha sense
nnamdi was a stud in oak once u asked him to do other things instead of staying on the left side he turned into an average corner, same with grimes if he isnt in soft zone hes just an average corner
I think we end up franchising Grimes.
Just my opinion. I love Grimes, but even I’m not convinced that he’ll be a long-term, upper echelon CB.
by HotLunch4You on Jan 13, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
It's a coin toss but I would go with Lofton and I don't think Grimes' family wants him to stay!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 13, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Dont be surprised
if the cowboys who need dbs have jerry jones give grimes his credit card for the next 6yrs to come play in big d
If that's the case
Then we should slap the franchise on Grimes and get Jerry to whip out his wallet.
Yeah if they want him that bad
We can maybe trade him to the boys for a first round pick since jones will do that if he thinks its gonna help his team *see roy williams trade
It's a long shot...but a possability none the less.
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Our def. doesn’t have to be dominant, just keep it close and create turnovers
by dnldbrk on Jan 13, 2012 8:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I wouldn't be surprised
If a better coordinator doesn’t take our defense to top 5 in the leage.
I’ve come to realize (actually in the last few games of the season) that the talent is clearly there, it’s the scheme that kills us.
Hopefully a new coordinator brings a man coverage scheme here… that places an emphasis on putting pressure on QBs. In this pass happy league, that is a must.
Strike "doesn't" from the above comment
A better coordinator takes our defense to top five.
Yeah specifically our third down zones
The main problem we had was getting off the field on 3rd and LONG. Only rushing three and putting press guys that are lost back into Zone on those down and distances got us lit up over and over. Why are you dropping your best DE that gets after the QB into coverage? SMH We just need to be more aggressive on 3rd and long and that’ll fix a LOT of defensive problems.
You drop your best DE into coverage because the offensive line HAD to account for him with a protection call
You can send 4, but with one blitzer unaccounted for, it functions like a 5 man blitz. Not to mention the DE, while not great in pass coverage, does take up a throwing lane that the QB didn’t account for.
I’ll say it again. The zone blitz is effective when properly employed. The concept is good, but when and how often we employed it are the real problems, not the concept.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
problem is we zoned a lot but didn't blitz much
Yeah LeBeau is a defensive genius and he invented the thing. Most defensive concepts work if you execute them correctly. We just left out the last half of the concept name imho. What was even sadder is that when we actually got to the quarterback on the few times we blitzed we failed to make the tackle.
I understand the concept but our players couldn’t execute it so why call off the DE when it never worked. Unless I missed something over the last 2 years. Pretty sure we’re near the bottom of stopping people on 3rd downs.
I agree
I have always stated the Falcons have the defensive players in place to become a top defense, (although my friends disagree.) The bend but don’t break defense aka soft zone coverage allowed teams to gain yardage upon us which over inflated the numbers. I do believe Abe will be gone after this year due to his salary command. It would free up money to allow the team to resign Lofton, Grimes, Decoud. If the Falcons new DC decides to run a 3-4 schemed defense, this would be the prime year to do so with all the free agents.
With Sid contributing 4 sacks in a situational role, I see him becoming a factor this year. I could be completely off base though. I would love to see this team blitz hard, allow our corners to make plays considering they are among the leagues best. The Steelers seem to do just fine year after year with their Blitzburg defense and are among the league leaders in almost every defensive category. Why can’t Atlanta do it? They have better cover corners then the Steelers, and with a healthy Lofton, Nicholas, Spoon and Peterson I see no reason they can’t.
Coaching wins championships!
Under normal circumstances
Swtiching from a 4-3 to a 3-4 is a multi-year undertaking. But, we have several players who fit the OLB mold well (Bierrman/Sidbury). We’d still be a little light at DE and would definitely need a huge NT, but the transition wouldn’t be impossible. All the best DCs – with a few exceptions – are 3-4 guys now, and more and more college DCs are running 3-4 schemes.
The importance of the college change up to 3-4 is in our future drafts. It’s getting harder and harder to find quality 4-3 defensive ends out of college. Taking a 4-3 DE in the first round is almost never a guarantee, whereas finding solid OLB for a 3-4 system is getting much easier.
I’m not sure if I want to make the switch to a 3-4 at this point – given the overhaul it would take – but if we could get a solid 3-4 DC in the door, I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
The 3-4 won't happen
The personnel just isn’t here. You can’t just stick 4 good LBs out there, they have to be big enough to be effective rushing the passer and to handle the extra traffic in the run game. Assuming Abe goes, Sidbury and Bierman would be the most likely OLB candidates. I don’t know about Ray Edwards, he’d probably be more effective as a situational rusher. To the best of my knowledge, none of those guys has played off the line since high school. (except when BVG had them drop into coverage – stupid dumb)
Plus we don’t have the D-lineman to play in the 3-4.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
by VaderX5 on Jan 13, 2012 9:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We do have the personnel but like you said, it probably won't happen
I’m all for a 3-4 but a 3-4 switch probably won’t happen. If you look at our roster we do have the guys with the frames to play 3-4. We are only missing a NT. Look at the other 3-4 rosters and compare their players’ sizes with our guys.
Really?
Who do you think should play @ the 2 ends and the 2 OLB spots? And do you think Spoon is built to play inside in a 3-4?
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
by VaderX5 on Jan 13, 2012 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
3-4 DE's need to be a bit bigger than 4-3 DE's so
I think Babs and Peters could do well here as 3-4 DE’s. I can see Sidbury and Kroy being used on the outside along with Nicholas and Adkins. I can see Spoon playing outside too but he could be more effective inside.
Kirby Smart and bring Josh Chapman w/ him
by dnldbrk on Jan 13, 2012 9:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah the toughest call is on Abe
In my opinion the toughest linchpin call on D personnel is what to do wtih Abe at this point.
They do a good job of playing with the amount of snaps he gets to keep him healthy. Kudos to our trainers and coaching staff who may be some of the best in the league at keeping veterans healthy.
But we would be paying an awful lot to a 33 yr old that doesn’t play every snap. So I see diminishing returns kicking in at this point. One one hand…best pass rusher. On the other hand…tying up money and not getting full snaps…etc etc. I don’t know how much our pass rush will suffer. We’ll be getting a new DC so we’ll have to see what scheme they imploy. More LBs and 3-4 = abe’s gone I think.
I think you're right about Abe
Too expensive for too little playing time. It’s time to see what we have in Sidbury and Matthews, maybe bring in a low-level free agent as a low-risk, low-reward deal.
Biermann is the greater question since he gives 100%, high motor, and plays special teams. I suppose it all depends on the price.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Good points on Abe
To be honest, though, I’m not sure how many teams will be in the market for him. He is getting up there in age, can’t play every snap and will command a large salary. Plus, he’s already shown he can’t do well in 3-4 systems which is becoming the norm now.
I think TD handles Abe the same way he did Snelling. Let him sniff out the market and wait for him to come back, if he so chooses.
Regardless, it’s time to start thinking about what we can do long-term at DE.
You know if we'll actually send 5 most of the time in whatever scheme we run ....
I don’t know how much we’ll miss Abe. Not having him will also take away the coaching crutch to depend so much on one guy to generate pressure. MIX UP WHO YOU’RE SENDING for pete’s sake.
Mentioned Decoud
He’s Mr. Missed Opportunites. He misses tackles, takes bad angles, and drops easy picks. There are a few players I think our defense would be better off without, he’s definitely tops on that list.
Agreed
We brought Sanders in to give him a push, and while he was an aging safety thrown out by the Patriots early on, he clearly outplayed DeCoud. Sanders will be cheaper, so resign him, let DeCoud walk, and pick up a compensatory pick in 2013.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Yup
I can recall at least 5 different plays during the season where DeCoud whiffed on a tackle or took a bad angle. He’s a great guy, but he just isn’t cutting it in one of the most important positions on the field.
We can probably sign Sanders and have a minimal cap hit (since he qualifies for the veteran salary discount). In the meantime, we can start identifying potential long-term candidates for the position.
Sanders was the worst DB.
Yes he Sanders made couple of high light reels but he was the worst DB in the back field. He was let go buy Pats for a reason. Even PFF constantly mentioned how bad Sanders was.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Didn't realize that
Given that, it may be time to find our next free safety – because I still believe DeCoud is a liability in the backfield.
Decoud makes some dumb plays.
But he is still the best coverage safety Falcons have. We would have to wait for the 2011 Rankings but I wouldn’t be surprised if DeCoud shows up in top 10 or top 15 at most in the FS rankings.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
There were at least two games where a single play he made
Won us the game. There’s a statistic for you. Let me know how PFF grades defensive backs without all-22 film, and knowing the play called. Impossible.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
There were atleast two game he lost for us.
I study lot of tape on NFL rewind. I will do a fan post on detailed numbers and plays by the Coverage guys. He constantly took wrong angles in the Eagles game, both the Saints games and he was benched after that.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
If that is the case, then you are likely not qualified to judge how good DeCoud played either, unless you’ve analyzed him on every play with knowledge of the play call. So saying “Sanders clearly outplayed DeCoud” is a bit hypocritical.
Yeah he's a great athlete...and has the skills...but he wouldn't know a right angle if you handed him a square
At this point I’d think about converting one of our CBs into our free safety if they’re willing to try it.
I agree about tight zone or man coverage
The soft zone irritates me to no end, especially since to your point, the Falcs have been such poor tacklers. I want opposing teams to fear the Falcons D they way they fear the Broncos or the Ravens.
The assembled talent is great imo, I’ve seen the sparks of greatness. But I’ve also seen 15 dropped interceptions and I don’t know how many barely missed sacks that could’ve changed any number of games in our favor.
i just
hope we can play some bump and run coverage or at least press receivers to disrupt their timing not just let them run into a soft area between our zone like last year
This whole "soft-zone" meme has to stop...it's almost as bad as "Michael Jenkins is a great blocker"
What on earth is a soft zone? I’m assuming it refers to playing an “off” zone defense, where the corners line up 5-10 yards off the line of scrimmage. Conceptually speaking, it’s sound. If you line up your corners tight (whether for press or not), they are more likely to get beat on certain routes. If you’re playing “off”, you’re trying to keep the play in front of you, and willing to give up the small completion in order to stop the big play. It also gives you the ability to read the quarterbacks eyes, and make a play on the ball, either deflecting or intercepting the ball. Do you think Brent Grimes would be so fantastic at playing the ball if he was hand-fighing a corner with his back turned to the QB? This is part of a standard cover-2 defense which was developed to slow down the potent WCOs back in the day. You try to minimize the big play, and force your opponent into sustaining long drives, which are statistically less probable to suceed.
So conceptually, it is sound. You can (and probably should) take issue with when it was employed, or how often it was employed. The best defenses are good because they employ a variety of concepts and looks that make a quarterback really work with their pre-snap and post-snap reads. So some people specifically mention how bad it is to run this scheme in 3rd and long, when it is actually smarter to play off, give up a 3 yard completion, rather than a 15 yarder down the field. That doesn’t mean you do it every 3rd-and-long, but it is a valid concept for that down and distance.
If we are going to take anything away from all this, its that the defense needs to employ many different concepts, which undoubtedly requires a coordinator who is willing to do so and more versatile personnel to run the scheme.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 10:02 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Soft, Off, whatever
I agree with you that it has it’s place. The problem this latest season is that it didn’t keep the play in front of us, they caught the ball and ran right by us and into the endzone.
I stand by my soft zone meme
That’s an excellent comment—you have been Rec’d—but the problem I have is not with the off-zone, soft-zone, lack of Viagra zone concept, but the execution and fit.
You can’t play off the receiver if you’re unable or unwilling to make the tackles that keep those completions short. You can’t play it all game long if three-fourths of your cornerbacks are better-suited for man or a tighter zone scheme. And as you pointed out, you can’t do it to the exclusion of all other types.
This kind of zone has its uses, and I don’t expect it to be thrown out the window when a new DC comes. But I would like to see less of it.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 13, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
That's exactly right
And making the play calls in the right situation falls on the coordinator; a lot of times, our players were not put in the right position to succeed.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
It's not necessarily the concept of a soft zone
it’s this specific design of a soft zone. Corners lining up 10 yards deep, the constant open middle of the field, 15 yards deep. Even worse, when they do blitz, the blitzers end up lining up on an OL so it’s not like they’re getting even clean whiffs anyways.
It used to be that a soft zone would force a QB into making mistakes, since everywhere he looked there’d be a defender. But now, with how much of a passing game it is, I’d argue it’s better to rush 6 or rush 7 almost constantly and disrupt the qb’s timing.
Both good points
That 15 yard deep middle seam between the two deep zones is a killer for us. Of course that’s why teams run a Tampa-2 variant of the cover two where the middle linebacker drops into that seam. We rarely seem to run that, and when we do (as is burned into my mind) Lofton is covering Percy Harvin and gives up the TD. To even run a Tampa-2 you need an athletic freak at MLB like Brian Urlacher, who, despite currently being around 6-3 260lbs has the coverage skills of a safety (since he actually played safety in college). Curtis Lofton is a top run stuffer, but he’s no Tampa-2 mike. I know Dent is a little more athletic, so I wonder if burning that 3rd on him last year was a sign they’re going to let Lofton walk?
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and blitzing
I’ve noticed that too…the blitzer always seems to be accounted for by the offensive line. We saw a couple of overloads in the pre-season and early in the first Saints game, but rarely thereafter. You will see an occasional five-man under front look where Spoon blitzes off edge, which seems to be one of our only effective blitzes.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
Im with you on that
we still have to employ the zone our problem was qbs knew we were doing it on fourth down thats why no matter how good ur dbs are if the offense knows what your doing and is ready for it you cant stop it. This year i hope they disguise coverages give some exotic looks and confuse qbs. We got alot of picks with this basic zone scheme imagine how many well get once we disguise coverage
Aggressiveness
If you look at the top defenses in the league, they are very aggressive. If they put you into a third and long, the don’t drop into soft zones – they get after your QB and force him into a quick throw (which usually results in not enough yards). Rushing 3 and hoping a modern NFL QB can’t find the hole in your zone with 35 seconds in the pocket is insanity.
I want a defense that has a bad attitude and that hates your children. When they’re on the field, they should scare the hell out of you. When they blitz the quarterback and sack him, they let out a guttural scream that causes crows to flee and our souls to burn.
That’s all.
Well said my friend
I totally agree. Our D is badly missing that bad ass, snap your effing neck attitude.
Agreed.
In soft zone, if a QB gets more than 4 seconds the chances are he will find some one in the middle of the zone.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 13, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
middle of the zone
15 yards deep, wide open… Same spot whether it’s against Carson Palmer or Aaron Rodgers or Cam Newton or Mark Sanchez.
Always the same exact spot…
The problem is that the Falcons are not very good at tackling in the open field. If you blitz a lot you have to be able to make one-on-one tackles. Many of the big plays against the Falcons this year have been because of broken/missed tackles on short passes.
Ahhhh - but that can be fixed
As can an overall attitude to defense.
I'm with you
the team has to find some way to get more pressure
I think that is a bit overblown by traditionalists and former players
If you look at old highlights for players like Gale Sayers, there is plenty of terrible tackling and defenders flailing around/launching themselves/running into their own teammates/completely whiffing.
That isn’t to say that it isn’t still an epidemic, but there are some teams that do it well, and the Falcons are not one of them.
Maybe difficult to obtain
Let’s face it, in the modern NFL there aren’t but a tiny handful of elite defenders left. This league is about just keeping the other team out of the endzone enough for your offense to win the game 34-28.
Atlanta had one of the better defenses in the playoffs. The elite teams have offenses that get up a couple of scores, and defenses that go for broke after the quarterback and force turnovers. That’s the key.
Our D isn't that bad
We just have to eliminate the “soft” zone. We need a DC who can disguise more than anything. If you can disguise well and hit the offense with a unexpected blitz you really don’t need elite talent as long as they can wrap up. The Falcons need to go back to the basics on defense.
No more of that swag talk and big hits. Just get your fundamentals in check then we can worry about the other stuff. As for the rotation. I feel that beer man will probably be let go and they will try their best to resign Abe. If Abe does resign we can keep him fresh longer by rotating him more often especially if we draft another DE( which I think we should).
Dave, you hit ALL the nails on the head for the defense...I applaud you sir!! Rec'd!!
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Clone Spoon and play him at all 11 defensive positions.
He’d get after the QB, stop the underneath routes, and slow the run game. Sure he’d get a few balls thrown over his head in the passing game, but he’d kill that receiver on the next jam at the line. Dude plays with all the speed and passion you could ever want.
Our New DC
Will realize what we have in spoon and turn him into a pernial all pro linebacker. SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
He should have been in the Pro Bowl THIS year!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 13, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently he was elected first or second team All Pro.
I think I remember reading where John Clayton said that 4-3 LBs are often hurt in the Pro Bowl LB selection process by the elevated sack numbers of the OLBs in 3-4 schemes.
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its gonna come down to a bidding war between blank and jeff lurie, my money is on blank pun intended
My wish won't come true
I’d like to move to a 3-4 defense. I think the 4-3 does a great job at balancing between the run and pass, but really it’s a run defense first. 3-4 defenses seem to get after the QB better by unleashing terrors like Clay Matthews or Terrell Suggs on people.
With Abe likely leaving, now is the time to switch to a 3-4. Won’t happen though, although if they hire Nolan, maybe that’s a sign they are thinking about it.
Yeah id like a 3-4 too but
See those teams have a suggs and mathews while we dont lol, look at teams like the bills, cards, chargers with no stud at olb or a good nt the 3-4 is useless
Based on snap counts, the Ravens basically run a 4-3 with Suggs as a DE
And the Packers are in a 3-4 less than 20% of the time; they favor their 3-3-5 and 2-4-5 nickles even in running situations.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 13, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Technically
3-4 was designed to stop the run with tackles in the middle and BIG fast linebackers.
4-3 was designed to get after the quarterback by being able to provide pressure with only four rushers.
by PurpleDRANKnotJUICE on Jan 13, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Actually Tom Landry invented the 4-3 to stop the run
3 – 4 was invented to stop more passing and make people guess on passrush protection
so....
nobody agrees about anything. no surprise there.
Looking at Tackle numbers for 2011.
Decoud was 3rd after Curtis Lofton and Spoon on the list with 86 Tackles. Why is a FS tackling so much, usually its the SS who has more tackles than the FS. Something is not right if you compare to most of the other teams in the league.
It's all about Process...
Two words...SOFT ZONE!!
Two more words…THESE SUCK!!
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by Blood_Talon on Jan 13, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Guys I love Thomas Decoud and William Moore but
If we want an Aggressive safety that can get 100 tackles a year… Laron Landry is the guy we need. I live in DC so i see alot of the redskins games and im telling you This dude is the best safety in the league (take away Reed and Palomalu). match him with Sean Weatherspoon and Curtis Lofton and that could be 300 tackles between 3 players…Wow
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I'd LOVE to get Landry
Guy is truly a stud and part of the reason the Redskins beat the Giants twice this year.
Yeah Im a huge fan of his
i totally agree we need to get him he has the speed and athletisism to make up for mistakes in the secondary him and willy mo damn thats the best safety combo in the league
The only knock on Landry is
Sometimes he is Over aggressive he jumps on the Stutter route Alot usually causing him to get beat Deep, but he is really worth it. He is clean guy no off the field issues good locker room guy I’m telling you if we scoop Landry get Decoud or Moore back as well as Lofton and Abe maybe even grimes, with right coordinator we would be rivaling the Steelers or texans for best Defense.
by falcons101 on Jan 13, 2012 12:32 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Nearly all of us wanted Landry back in 2007 but the obvious happened, he was drafted before the Falcons pick =O
by Caviarhound on Jan 13, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I hated the soft zone.
Brian Billick referred to it as a passive zone. It was anything but “explosive.” Watching the playoff game was torture, fortunately though, I only was able to watch half of it as we were having our last Christmas family get together. I have a lot of thoughts on the team, and I’ll start with the defense.
One word, ATTACK!
What’s bothered me about the defense is that despite the focus on the defense for the better part of the first three drafts, there was only one knock it out of the park pick, Spoon. There are a lot of picks that I like, Jerry, Peters, Franks, Lofton, Sidburry, Spencer Adkins, and Biermann, and FA Walls, but they haven’t wowed yet. To win a Superbowl, they have to do a lot better. Hopefully, it was just VG’s schemes that were holding them back. The weak link in the secondary is Decoud. I think the brightest futures lie ahead for Franks, Walls, and Sidburry.
One thing that bothers me from last years draft (I love Jones) is that we didn’t get at least one of those DEs, when we could have picked two quality DLs.
We’re still short one DT, one OLB, and a safety. I think the defense is closer to elite status than the offense, but a long way from it.
On Offense:
The OL is the weak link on the team. No push. Joe Hawley and Mike Johnson, I hope just one of them can pan out, but…
At RB, we have Turner and Turner’s mini-me in Quizz. It seemed like such a deep position when the season started, but as the season dragged on they seemed to wear down from the heavy lifting they had to do.
White needs to STFU. He was on the NFL channel with a player from the Broncos, it was so embarrassing. Play ball and focus on that, let the scoreboard do the talking!
What happened to Douglas? Is Meir going to take on a bigger roll?
We need another TE, and I don’t see it in Palmer and Kelly.
And finally on the OC front, they don’t grow on trees. They might misfire on the next one too, as awful as that would be. Good ones are hard to find. Whoever they chose, I hope to see one thing, when it comes to the passing game and that is receivers catching the ball on the run as opposed to running to a spot and waiting for the ball.
Most important, whomever they get on the FA route, they need one thing that’s very important. They should be very aggressive and find a defensive and offensive leader. Preferably Superbowl experience. They don’t have to be great players. Just guys who’ve been there, done that and can show the guys without playoff success how to win in the second season.
Trade bait for draft picks? Gonzales, White, Peters, Jerry, or Edwards.
Tony Gonzales already signed a new contract with the Falcons before the playoffs
So he wouldn’t be up for a trade!
by Antonio Grimes on Jan 13, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
True, and it's not likely I know
but if we were to trade him to a contender he might be ok with it.
Lets work on getting a new DC and OC first before any free agency, trades, and drafts
First of all, lets look at the schemes on the defensive side of the ball. The Atlanta Falcons on the defensive side need to first come up with schemes that disguises their looks. Every offensive team in the NFL knows that Atlanta has not disguised their looks on Defense for the past 4 years and they will tell you that! So getting in anyone from drafts, trades, or free agency wont do any good if you can’t get someone in who knows how to do this. We have the guys to run a disguised defense and that are quick to get to the ball. That is the first thing you iron out then let the new DC decide which players best can run this type of defense. This would keep Brent Grimes, Dunta Robinson, Chris Owens, and probably a few others. Now lets look at the Offensive side of the ball. During the Saints came – I was noticing that the Saints defense were listening to what Matt Ryan was calling and had an answer for it. If you dont believe me then go back and watch the entire game again. That told me that the vocabulary of play calling was not changed week to week like it was supposed to and this left the Offense really exposed. We also need some big guys up front to protect Ryan and a new Offensive scheme. Lets run some trick plays from the back filed to get those safeties to move up and leave one on one situations for our WRs, TEs, and RBs. Our new Motto for 2012 should be ‘We want it – We take it!’
by Antonio Grimes on Jan 13, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions
For what its worth...what I would do
Hire a DC that runs an aggressive 3-4 scheme. For all you that think we dont have the personal…how do you know until you see it fail.
We need someone that can adapt to the team we are playing and make changes on the fly. Also able to disguise blitzes and D schemes.
And to teach Lofton how to better read the Offense and call out of certain precalled D schemes.
Let Abe test free agency, and only resign him if the money is right. But at the same time, if we can get a talent like M. Williams instead, then pull the trigger. Sign Landry and let Decoud walk. Not sure if Weems is under contract, if not, let him walk, or trade for pick. Saw too many bad decisions on letting punts go and putting our offense inside the 10. Let Franks step up for returns and CB duty. Resign Hayden and Sanders for depth. Draft a big NT. This position can be found in the 3 or 5 th round.
Now back to the 3-4….
Babs and Edwards at the ends, Jerry and draft pick at NT. I know some will say Jerry might be too small, but I think what he lacks in Fat ponds, he would make up for in strength.
Not sure if Peters wld be able to play outside or inside?
I wld rotate Matthews with Edwards and Babs.
As for LBs, I wld put Spoon and a rotation of Bierman and Sidbury on the outside, with Lofton, Nicolas, Adkin
s, Peterson (old, but a stud against the run).
Possibly Nicolas on the outside with Sidbury dropping onto the line like LT use to do.
Moore and Landry at Saftey, with Grimes, Robinson and Franks. Hayden and Sanders provide depth.
I would also dangle Turner as trade bait for a draft pick and get a decent lineman via
FA…but thats on the other side of the ball
by Magellan55 on Jan 13, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Turner
Any one notice how old Michael Turner looked at the end of the season…
That 81 yard run
was both awesome and terrible at the same time. Julio was jogging with him at the end. But that was his longest career run I believe, so congrats either way.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 13, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
Turner
Turner had been great at the develpment of our over hauled team and young QB, but I think we cld get similar returns with Snellung and Quoz whike adfing more deversity. And if we get an open minded OC who will work to Ryans strengths, WCO w/ quick reads and short passes hitting the recievers and RBs in stride, then I feel Turner may weigj down our progress. If we can get a 3 round pick for him, I wld do it.
by Magellan55 on Jan 13, 2012 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
IS MIKE SMITH
a party to the softzone?? What did he run in Jax and Baltimore??
He had a top defense.
Jags were a top 5 D when MS left the Jaguars. The Falcons D was BVG’s, MS repeatedly said he doesn’t micromanage the coordinators. I wouldn’t mind if MS wants to run the D.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 13, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

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