A Wishlist For A New Atlanta Falcons Offense
While this site and the larger Falcons fan community buzzes with speculation about names, I'd like to take the focus in a different direction for a moment. I'd like to talk about what I want to see from the offense and defense in 2012 after those new coordinators are hired.
Obviously, this is by no means an exhaustive list, and your mileage may vary. After watching these Falcons triumph and struggle over the last four years, though, I've seen some consistent themes emerge that have to be addressed. That's true whether the Falcons bring on Kirby Smart, Steve Spanguolo or Dave Choate to run the defense.
To me, it's about taking that next step. We know that the Falcons in the Mike Mularkey/Brian Van Gorder era could win football games, and lots of them. What must happen now is a shift to an offense and defense with the potential to be more than good, the potential to be something truly spectacular. Even if that means taking a step back in 2012, it has to happen.
If you'll hit the jump with me, I'll give you three items from my wish list for offense. Either later today or tomorrow, you'll get my wish list for the D.
1) The deep game. This is a big one for any number of reasons.
The Falcons have a premier weapon in Julio Jones. Jones can't be caught by most corners in the league on deep routes, and those who can catch him will struggle to bring him down. The Falcons can use him to clear out coverage over the middle if teams respect the threat he represents, and the best way to do that is to have him continually use his awesome wheels to go deep.
Matt Ryan's arm is often mentioned as a disappointment, but I think he has the arm strength to excel on deep routes. He just has to get his timing down and be willing to make them, both of which will come if he's practicing them more and being asked to do them in game situations.
If the Falcons really want to push this, they can bring back Harry Douglas and ask him to run deep crossing routes, or sign a free agent deep threat like Robert Meachem or Jerome Simpson. In addition to bringing the big play element to the offense on a more consistent basis, it will free Roddy White, Tony Gonzalez and Jacquizz Rodgers up over the middle and underneath. In turn, Ryan's completion percentage and yards per attempt should go up, and defenses will have to be wary of the Falcons when they're down.
Obviously, this is pretty simplistic, and things rarely go that well in real life. But I firmly believe that a commitment to challenging defenses down the field will open things up offensively.
2) Transition away from pounding the rock...sort of. I'm not one of those wild-eyed fans who believes we need to send Michael Turner to a farm upstate, though I wouldn't mind a trade if the Falcons could get quality value.
What does need to happen, without question, is a shift away from running for the sake of running. The Falcons lost an awful lot of games when they passed more than 40 times, which many consider an indictment of the passing game, which I won't deny it is. But it also speaks to how inefficient the ground game was.
People often talk about how Turner needs 20+ runs to get going. That's true in a sense, but it's more that Turner tends to have 10-15 slow, plodding, basically useless runs at this stage of his career and 5-10 where he busts out huge gains. Considering many of those useless carries were bunched together, Mularkey's insistence on running a slowing Turner behind a miserable offensive line all game long seems borderline criminal.
The Falcons still need to use Turner as a battering ram to wear defenses down and because he can still hit home runs, but they must work in more creative plays to Jacquizz Rodgers and whatever third back they decide to use in 2012. If Turner averages only two or three yards a carry on his ten carries, the Falcons need to use Rodgers more and see if he can more effectively run the ball. With as better passing game to loosen up defenses at the point of attack, I'm not willing to tolerate the Mularkey approach to running any more.
And in case that sounds unduly harsh, note that I still consider Turner a valuable player. He just must be used in a more effective fashion.
3) Use the damn screen pass. Under Mike Mularkey, the Falcons were the worst team in the NFL at using screen passes. That might not have been a bad thing if it wasn't such an egregious misuse of the team's talent.
Look, I understand that the Falcons' blockers weren't great at screens. But it's something they can work on and get better at, unless they have a tragic screen-related disability that I'm being insensitive about. Mularkey chose not to use it and chose not to improve the team's use of it, and that's that.
Why more screens? Because the Falcons have so many players capable of picking up yards after the catch, which is the beauty of the screen. Guys like Julio Jones, Jacquizz Rodgers and even Michael Turner have enough power and elusiveness to turn a short pass into a long gain, and a screen gives you the kind of blocking that most of them never see on regular routes. It's not going to work every time, but it gives the defense pause and it's a different look.
Defense have grown fat and lazy against the Falcons in recent years, knowing they're a bread-and-butter passing team that won't throw more than one or two surprises at you all game. It's time to change that.
Do you agree with my list, or do you have your own additions?
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Agreed.
Great points on the inefficiency of the running game. If Turner is not effective on early downs mix it up with Quizz or screens. Running is very important, even the saints offense,giants offense was kicked off by the running game when Brees and Eli Manning were struggling .
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by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 12, 2012 12:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think
If we want to change our offense to match up with other teams. We need to drop/trade Turner. We need a “normal” RB, somone who hits the holes with speed. I guess im just tired of being so predictable with turner back there.
by Dirtybirdz90 on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Screen Pass is not gonna be there if we dont get a line that can learn to block well for it
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions
Hopefully they can learn
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by Dave Choate on Jan 12, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions
WE MUST PRODUCE AN AWSOME LINE!
i really think that if our oline was just 50% better…. dare i say Superbowl.
There’s obvisouly more room for improvement in other areas but i think with a secure line matty could tore apart any Defence
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I think you're absolutely correct
By loosening things up over the top, running smarter and learning to block for screens, they can hopefully make things a little easier on the line.
Oh, and sign Carl Nicks.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Matty would have been a drew brees but he couldve taken
alot of time off the clock and kept high score teams like NO and GB to minmal points
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
meant to "wouldnt"
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Would NO really let him just walk though?
This would be an AMAZING signing if TD were to pull it off: Make the Falcons better while ruining the Saints, but I don’t think they will just let him walk and just keep Jhari Evans….then again they do have to resign Brees and resigning both would be heavily expensive……
by dirtybirdmagic on Jan 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
R u saying let MATTY go for brees?????????
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
They have a lot of free agents and not much cap room to sign them all
Brees, Nicks, Colston, and others are hitting the market.
by alxn on Jan 12, 2012 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't need to have a great all world o-line to run screen passes
All you need is execution from the o-line to run it they could be an average line but if they execute there assignments on the screen they will be fine.Here is what i want to see the Falcons do on offense as far as i am concerned.I noticed that the elite teams and teams who have great passing offenses also have great depth at WR and some teams have more than one great TE.Teams like the Packers,Patriots,Saints,Colts,and even Steelers have good depth and speed.I would like the Falcons to sign 2 WR’S and maybe draft a WR for depth.The more weapons Matty has at his disposal the more the defenses will pay for paying to much attention to white,jones or gonzo.
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We have more than you think
We have a great speedy slot guy in Harry Douglas (under-utilized).
We have a great possession/hands guy in Kerry Meier (under-utilized).
We have another big, fast receiver waiting in the wings with huge upside in Kevin Cone.
We have a decent hands, decent sized TE in Michael Palmer.
We just need an OC that knows how to utilize all of these guys to their max potential.
by The DW on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I totally forgot we have Kerry Meier good point he does have good hands
and he was recovering from that knee injury he should be ready to go for 2012 he also has good height and pretty good jumping ability.Palmer i think has the potential to be a good TE i am still skeptical if he has what it takes to be a starting TE on the nfl level.
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If i was the gm in control of the Falcons i would resign HD
1.HD is great in the slot i would expand his role to do punt and kick off returns he is a great threat as a returner.
2. I would also sign Bernard Berrian he would not cost a lot of money he is a better 2nd,3rd or 4th option than a number 1 wr he is good in the slot and he is a good deep threat to stretch the field.
3. I would make a push to sign a speedy wr like Robert Meachem or Jerome Simpson and have them compete with HD for the 3rd wr and hopefully they wouldn’t break the bank to sign them.
4. I would like to try and sign or draft a good TE Gonzo is not going to play forever we could use a better back up TE i think Shockey is an option here but i really doubt the Falcons would try to sign him i know i would.There could be some good TE’S in the 4th or 5th round in the up coming draft.
5. I don’t resign Eric Weems he is a great returner awesome special teams tackler good strength for a wr but he is not a very good wr at running routes or production from the slot and i think HD can handle the returner duties and Antoine Smith can more than handle being the special teams ace on return coverages.
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Bernard Berrian has been beyond awful the last 2 seasons, and is 31 years old
He only had a 30% Catch Rate in 2010 and 9.0 Yards per Reception in 2010. I’d be surprised if he’s in the league at all next season.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah, I'm kind of on board with everything here
Except Berrian. He’s incredibly terrible.
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Again, this is a criticism only of slip-screens
There are Jailbreak (WR) and bubble screens (WR or RB) that don’t require the line to do anything approaching athleticism. So it’s not just the line, it’s the offensive philosophy.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
ofcourse u can pull some trickry for one play.but if a line isnt
physical enough to block for turner- lets just tire them out with screens all day. And let the big ass D-lines and LBs of NYG tilt our O-line over while thier runnig to the left side of the field unbalanced enough to fall into our own rb!
O-line sucked bottom line. and thats where the offence starts! It doesnt start with matt ryan. Every team in the play offs with a great passing QB. Has a solid enough line to let thier QB flex thier visual!
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Never really been a fan of the bubble screen
It’s really tricky. You have to deliver the ball to a guy on the outside in quick fashion, but you need to be just tricky enough that the first corner hesitates. If you’re not quick enough, he doesn’t have enough to get moving upfield before the defense moves toward him, but if you don’t make that outside corner hesitate at least a second, the receiver is still hit almost as soon as he catches it.
Of course, naturally, bubble screens work really well when you’ve got a guy who’s always in zone coverage and gives a 10 yard cushion, like Dunta.
Braves will be fine. I'm not worried.
by Bronn on Sep 18, 2011 4:26 PM EDT
Sign Nicks as from FA...PERIOD
I think this would be a major upgrade to the OL…which is needed!!
Need more Quizz, need more 20+ passes to RW, JJ and HD (assuming we keep him). More “stick’um” for RW…got to get those sure hands back man!!
Better execution by the OL
MORE SCREENS!!
Someone to work with Ryan on improving his “pocket management” and accuracy of deep throws (he can throw deep, just overthrows allot).
More “unbalanced attack”, pretty much everyone knew what was coming from us on a given down this past year. I remember watching the first NO game and for three straight series’ I called every play we ran, per down, correctly as to weather it was pass or run. My son (who is a Raiders fan) about ch!t himself that our offense was “that” predictable. At least I won lunch from him for doing that…hahaha
Well, that’s about it from me…
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Agreed...Nicks MUST be out top FA priority
Brees always had that nice clean pocket. Matt could truly thrive with that kind of protection.
They have GOT to get a better OL.
Neither passing or running will work if Matt isn’t protected and/or holes opened for running. IMO better OL is #1 priority. #2 Somebody has GOT to get some hits on QBs. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees have to go down in games. They toyed w/the defensive and that just offends me.
Totally agree.
As I’ve said before, I’d like our new OC to take 40-50 carries away from Turner to prolong his carrier and improve his effectiveness in the redzone.
Also I’d like to see us take a long hard look at how the Saints utilize Sproles and fashion some similar plays for Quizz.
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by Blue Falcon on Jan 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I agree with the #1 and #3 above.
As to #2, I agree…sort of. (Honestly, we may be making the same point.)
The problem I had with the Falcons was their inconsistency in play-calling. In some games, as you indicate, we would continually run the ball with zero to limited success merely for the sake of running the ball. Conversely, in some games, I felt we abandoned the run too early or focused on the pass when the run was clearly working.
I want an O.C. who’s willing, and, most importantly, able, to (a) use the weapons at his disposal in the best manner possible (e.g. use Rodgers on screen passes and not run him up the middle as much) and (b) adapt within the game to what the defense is doing, not stubbornly calling plays just to call them.
On the last point, if Turner’s gaining five yards per carry, then keep running the ball. If Ryan’s torching the secondary, keep throwing the ball. I couldn’t care less if in one game Ryan went 1 for 3 for 25 yards as long as Turner went 30 for 200 and 4 TDs. Conversely, I couldn’t care less if in the next game Ryan went 40-45 for 500 yards and 4 TDs, while Turner and Co. combined for 4 carries and 10 yards.
Offensive balance, in my opinion, does not mean you have to be balance each game, but only that over the course of the season, your team is capable of doing whatever it takes to win, passing or throwing.
Similarly, within each phase of the passing and/or running game, we should find what works and what doesn’t. In some games, Ryan should pass more downfield, in others he should throw short and mix in a lot of screens. If Turner is not having success up the middle, then let’s mix counters, stretch plays, sweeps, etc.
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by Jman781 on Jan 12, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
One thing i wanna piont out guys is that
Authur him self said that they dont want to" throw out the baby w/ the dirty water “:/ or t”he baby’s water is dirty and drink up "ummmm idk.
but basically he said we’ve come this far w/ the players we have now and anyone that produces will stay. So don’t get to amped up on a big name player trade for a first rounder
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions
sorry for the lackof spell check
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
we need
more runs up the gut, even fewer screens why bother with 3 WR sets, 2 WR 2 TE 2 RB sets are good enough to win games.
Signed Mike Mularkey
by Erihury on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sure Mike, will do buddy!
whisper did he take his meds today?
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
That would be 12 men on the field
Mularkey wasn’t THAT bad.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 12, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Agree totally Dave
Especially with trading the Burner. I know, I know, I was like one of his biggest supporters and I had that “leave him alone, he’s fine” attitude, but the time is now. Although my argument has alway been that when Turner has a good game we’re unstoppable, the time is now to let Ryan be that guy that carries this team. Turner’s done great, he’s played probably well beyond expectations coming out of San Diego with an unproven track record and at least thirty pounds overweight, but he was just the training wheels for a rookie Matt Ryan who no longer needs him to take the pressure off. A younger, smaller, quicker, less expensive back will do just fine.
Trading M.turner would hurt my feelings.....
but if there are some really good prospect in the draft and we can get a 1st rounder for him(which i doubt)(maybe if we give up our 2nd pick) i say lets do it. We’ve got a nice runner in JR and lets keep JS
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Keep Turner
We’d be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for a 30 year old running back.
by widderslainte on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
idk they that hes only really play for 4 years
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Trust me - If Turner goes
we aren’t getting more than a 5th for him
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
his contract isn't bad...it's leveled out at about the 5 million a year level
I’d say a fourth is the highest…from a desperate team.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 12, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
TD is savy
Some of the contracts he gets signed are ridiculous lol. Now just sign the right players.
by pierre02 on Jan 12, 2012 2:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not if we give up oru 2nd round and him like i said earlier
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
!!!idk teams know that he only really played for 4 years
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions
Wish list
Stating which hasn’t been said…More screens, better protection, more Quizz.
Stating which hasn’t been said…Better coaching and clock management. An offense that isn’t predictable. Less QB sneaks!
Coaching wins championships!
by Edgecrusher211 on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions
correction
First line should be," which has been said."
Coaching wins championships!
by Edgecrusher211 on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing wrong with a QB sneak
it’s usually a very effective play, however Matty has to learn to run them. Turning around and shoving your back into the o-line isn’t how you do it.
you know
Screens can help a below average offensive line.
I remember once that MM once said “we don’t run screens because we aren’t good at them.” (paraphrasing). Ive always wondered if he realized that statement was a terrible indictment of him as a coach… not of the players.
I’m appreciative of what he and BVG has done, but I’m glad he’s gone.
Your list is spot on Dave.
by KEScottII on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I thought we had drafted Rodgers for screen passes
Of course, O line is going to be the biggest concern in the off season…. I really want to see what happens with LT since Baker was a bust and Svitek doesn’t seem like a long term option.
All in all, I was pretty disappointed in the “depth” we had at O line….
Trade Turner?
Hard to swallow, but I’m open to suggestions.
What would be an equitable trade for the Burner? A 2nd rd draft pick?
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by Blue Falcon on Jan 12, 2012 1:07 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
I doubt we'd get that
A third might be as high as we could reasonably hope for.
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A 3rd is a stretch
Nobody is trading more than a 5th for Turner
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
It would have to be a foolish team
But there are plenty of those.
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what if we give up our 2 nd round too
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 12, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
3rd Rd Pick
If we traded Turner for a 3rd what position should we draft with that pick?
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by Blue Falcon on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Offensive line, defensive end, corner
I could any of those. Of course, if the Falcons switch to man, they may not need to draft a corner.
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Keep snelling trade MT
I think snelling can take over that power role for MT and if we could get good value for him why not? Im certain we could use that pick on the trenches or maybe even on another RB.
by pierre02 on Jan 12, 2012 1:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Yes
On top of that, Snell – though maybe not as fast – is a much better receiver out of the backfield than Turner, giving our offense a little more depth.
I think snelling finds holes better than turner
Who just runs into heap of guys. Michael “maybe a yard” Turner.
Agree 100%
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
by VaderX5 on Jan 12, 2012 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
LMFAOOOOOOO
“maybe a yard” ahahahah man how times i herd that this year, “turner up the middle maybe a yard on the play” *kenny albert voice
Love the list
As many have mentioned, it all starts with the offensive line. Improve here and the whole thing will improve.
That said, the screen will help take pressure off of the line – as well as plays like draws and quick slants.
Additionally, the best NFL offenses do a good job of spreading the ball around the field. If they take the deep option, hit the middle with a TE. If they take the short stuff, launch it downfield. If they’re blitz happy, nail them with a screen. It’s not rocket science, but to be effective, you need to have the right players in each spot – AND be willing to use them.
by The DW on Jan 12, 2012 1:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah TD talked about match ups
You have to take advantage of mis matches when you have them. Its a chess match and if you catch your opponent slipping you have to make them pay.
by pierre02 on Jan 12, 2012 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah problem with Turner is...
Defenses KNOW he isn’t getting a pass out of the backfield making us waaaay too predictable when we are in single back sets or even two back sets when our FB is in because we didn’t throw much to them either unless it was a last option to avoid a sack.
That has to change. Snelling is a better option if we go that route.
Does anyone know if it was because turner CAN’T catch or because they WON’T throw to him?
by dr3dd1ne on Jan 12, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Turner has Roddy White Drop Syndrome.
He drops quite a bit of passes thought its nothing new. He did drop some passes when playing for San Diego as backup.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 12, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Though its nothing new.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 12, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
They try to throw it to him
It’s just a toss up whether he’ll catch the ball or not.
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Jason La Confora just reported that...
The Falcons list of OCs they want to interview are: Brian Billick, Tom Clements, Brian Shotinheimer and Jax coordinator Erik something. Im really not to crazy over this list. Guess if I had to pick it would be Tom Clements or Brian Billick. The others scare me.
by Bigru3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Billick is a surprise.
But not really. Seems like a forgotten candidate.
I'm on the Twitter: twitter.com/edgrohl
Hes actually related to Smitty
through marraige. I like Billick I think hes a really smart guy but it does scare me a little cause he really hasnt called plays since Minnesotta 10 years ago. While his term in Balt he didnt call plays. However he is smart and has spent alot of time in the both and around other coaches and players while observing. So I would assume hes probably elevated his I.q as a student of the game and hes probably dying to get out there and show case it.
by Bigru3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But he was a fine OC then
The Vikings made the playoffs during six of the seven seasons (1992–1998) that Billick spent with the team, and set several offensive records in the process. In 1998, Minnesota set a then-NFL record for most points scored in a season (556) (which has since been broken by the 2007 Patriots), and set a team record with 41 touchdown passes.
Oh yea...he was awesome
Not denying that. I wouldnt mind him
by Bigru3 on Jan 12, 2012 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Billick runs WCO.
Billick comes from the same coaching tree of Bill Walsh, The WCO was created by Bill Walsh who won 3 superbowls with niners. Hopefully we will get some good OL to run a more pass happy WCO.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 12, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
I worry about he and Smith being related.
Not sure why. But it would certainly lend credence to the ‘next head coach’ thing.
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He also won a SuperBowl ring
With Trent Dilfer as the QB.
Let me repeat that.
He won a SB with Trent Dilfer as his QB. That is a serious accomplishment.
Yeah but they had arguably the best defense of all time
I could have played QB for that team and we could have won a SB.
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Antiquated
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Jan 12, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Billick would be an interesting candidate i wonder if he would bring the same
vertical game to Atlanta that he had in his days in Minnesota.
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I think he would
I think the only reason he didn’t do it in Baltimore was the lack of actual players to do it with.
He would be a nice candidate
but i wouldnt mind the packers qb coach, with the sucsess aaron has had and that offense why not
Billick to Falcons rumors heating up
I love it!
The last time Billick was an Offensive Coordinator:
The Vikings made the playoffs during six of the seven seasons (1992–1998) that Billick spent with the team, and set several offensive records in the process. In 1998, Minnesota set a then-NFL record for most points scored in a season (556) (which has since been broken by the 2007 Patriots), and set a team record with 41 touchdown passes.
- Lots of scoring!
- Julio being used liked Moss in his prime!
- Records that take nearly ten years to break!
- Lots of TD passes for Ice!
That’s my front runner damnit!
Ok, I could go with that pick...
what has he done since??
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Oh yeah...hmmmmm
he would be a little rusty though.
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
98 Vikes
…certainly had a stunning offense and Billick was a big part of it. Minnesota’s offense was in the top 5 in three of the five seasons he OC, 98 being the last.
From memory I think Randy Moss was a rookie in 98, but he was already a beast, plus Minnesota still had Cris Carter, a pretty decent running game, and Randall Cunningham playing some of the best football of his career. Worth mentioning that they also had a kicker who was as near automatic as they get – Gary Anderson, who didn’t miss once all season, until the NFC Championship game :)
As someone else pointed out here, Billick is a Bill Walsh disciple, and I actually think the West Coast offense (or a modern-day variation) would fit our current offensive players pretty well. Ryan’s smart enough and could get the timing down to a tee, we have receivers who can run accurate routes in all parts of the field, and we have several RBs who can catch the ball too. My only concerns would be, is he rusty after years in the TV booth, and might the family connection compromise his working relationship with MS?
I see Michael Turner used the same way as Willis McGahee was supposed to in Denver.
They were suppose to have a multidimensional player in Knowshon Moreno that would stretch the field through screens passes as well as be an “in between the tackles” speed runner and McGahee would be the power back that would ground and pound for a good 10-12 touches. Moreno never lived up to those expectations, but that’s a good plan to follow. The similarities are there between both Turner and McGahee especially at this point of there career.
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 12, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Without Ovie he wasn't getting 10-12 inches.
Twss.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 12, 2012 3:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ain't that the F'ing truth!!
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Michael Turner aka the "Burner"
is not, and never has been, a “ground and pound” RB. He runs upright, and rarely drops his shoulder to deliver a blow. After his first season here, he took a lot of time off to recover from the pounding he endured, and he subesequently gained considerable weight (of the wrong kind).
MT needs to get back down to his San Diego playing weight. That will help him re-earn his “Burner” nickname, and make him much more dangerous.
At age 30
I don’t think he has the speed to regain that name
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jan 12, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ummmmmm...if Turner is...
slowing down, I didn’t see it. He actually had way more runs to the outside than he usually does over the course of a season and he did well and used his speed to round allot of corners and get positive yards from those runs outside. That’s what I saw anyway.
I will agree that a decline is coming and it could be as soon as the 2012 season…we shall see.
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Wus op wit teh carpy speling toodey?
Turner is old, slow, and well paid. The chances of finding a trading partner are very low.
I still think Quizz is a year away, but when he does hit, it won’t be as a scat back. He’s quick, but he’s not that fast (ran a 4.47 at his pro day) and is more power back than speed back. He’s more similar to MJD than to Sproals.
Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.
by VaderX5 on Jan 12, 2012 2:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
People tend to forget that you can trade players for players lol!
All I ever see on the Falcohlic is people talking about what round draft pick we can get for someone. Hello? The lockout is over people! They can trade Turner for another human too! LMAO
Only thing is mr92687!!! is that for some reason, NFL GM's almost never think about it either!
Unless it’s some 2nd string T being traded for a 3rd string TE, it just doesn’t happen. Unlike hockey, where HUGE names are moved at the trade deadline almost nothing happens at the NFL’s. Though I do wonder what we could get for a RB that seemed to be overused and has to battle nagging injuries. Gotta be another Raiders out there right?
I agree
I agree with everything. It is not the that the falcons cannot screen pass it is because we never wanted too do it. The OL and every OL in the league has blocking issues. MT needs too lose weigh but I feel the falcons will trade Turner for a third or fourth round pick in the draft. I also believe the falcons will be making big NEWS in this years draft again. Mr. Blank will not have this mess of losing in the first round anymore. Matt Ryan has been making plays out of nothing offense in my opinion and we all should thank Matt for our wins. I also felt that MM & BVG were never a fit in GA and they should have never been hired. The talent is their too win NOW. Matt need a OC that will fir his talents and desire too win. Matt Ryan is a winner and so is the falcons but these next few months with be in question …. WIN OR STAY HOME MR. BLANK AGAIN IN THE FIRST ROUND… DECISIONS DECISIONS IS WHAT THIS LEAGUE IS ALL ABOUT PEOPLE
by Charlene Samuels on Jan 12, 2012 2:42 PM EST reply actions
fully agree
and I think that items 1 and 3 on your list are actually correlated issues. Here’s why:
1. It is really difficult (if possible) to know why our deep passing game hasn’t clicked for more than a game by just watching the game on a TV (or in my case – laptop) screen. seeing how a play develops in real time at the stadium is a different experience.
Ryan succeded in his deep throws when he faced mediocre defenses, and struggled in other games even when he wasn’t touched. That makes me believe part of the problem with his accuracy is his own head. He anticipates a hit when he plays against good defense and begins to (1) lock in on one favorite receiver, (2) Get nervous and miss on long throws, and/or (3) throw it into stands. And while throwing the ball into stands is better than throwing an INT, I still have the impression he could do something with the ball, even tuck and run.
I really hope the new OC can help him overcome this hurdle.
2. One way to limit the damage from pass rush (and thus improve Ryan’s accuracy on deep balls, according to my logic) is using screens. aggressive defenses cannot pin their ears and go after Ryan and pressure him into errant throws if they know he can kill them with screens.
all of this leads me to believe that if we can fix the screen issue, Ryan’s accuracy on long throws should improve.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Completely agree
if you watch the Saints, Brees deep passes are often setup well by his short game. He throws that deep ball with confidence.
Brees
might be wrong example to look at – because of his great mobility. but if you look at Brady and P. Manning, they are both highly efficient on long balls and on short passes, while not very mobile (a la Brees or Rogers).
but because defenses know Brady and Manning can kill you with short passes, they have trouble rushing him.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
listening to podcast of arthur blank in buck and kincade show
If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set
by suicide bunting is a sin on Jan 12, 2012 4:06 PM EST reply actions
LOL Arthur Blank says that he thought Mularkey wouldnt get the head coach job in JAX after playoff loss
If Halladay, Lee, and Hamels all break their arms while playing tag in the clubhouse, We'll be set
by suicide bunting is a sin on Jan 12, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions
It's the way he said it too.
Made me laugh.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 12, 2012 4:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here's My Wish List
First I love how Blank keeps it 100, “why werent roddy and julio effective in the passing game” “because number 2 had no time, giants had 2sacks but ryan was rushed all day” Now onto the wish list, When it comes to FA We need to resign HD and get a guard wheather it be Nicks or Grubbs someone who can block both pass and rush, via draft i think they should take zebrie sanders from FSU he should be there in the second (look em up hes a stud) or center ben jones from Georgia, and a RB in the 3rd round a real rb who can hit holes and catch passes or sign forte :), I think the play calling aspect will be addressed via OC smitty knows u cant play to keep the other qb off the field, Finally this one is a defensive wish list but mario williams texans run a 3-4 now and clearly dont need super mario why i think we make a run at em let em play his natural position plus he is a beast and he had a pectoral injury not an knee injury
I think Quizz could be dangerous if utilized the right way. As mentioned, screen passes, but also more plays developed around dumping the ball to him in the open field.
by michaeldlee1480 on Jan 12, 2012 4:39 PM EST reply actions
LeMichael James
I think if we can get him in the third round we should, the only nack on him is his size and we’ve seen in this league thats not always an issue, aslong as he has a big heart he will be a baller, plus keep snelling or turner as short yardage backs
problem is we don't have a 3rd round pick
CORONATION STARSCREAM?THIS IS BAD COMEDY!! WILL ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPT TO FILL HIS SHOES?-GALVATRON
No we have a 3rd round pick
its a 4th round we gave up this yr for julio
what rounds are we picking in this years draft?
CORONATION STARSCREAM?THIS IS BAD COMEDY!! WILL ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPT TO FILL HIS SHOES?-GALVATRON
ok i wasn't sure what rounds we pick i was confused on that thanks for the info
remember we could end up getting one or maybe 2 compensatory picks for losing some players in free agency before the season and harvey dahl was a pro bowl o-linemen so that compensatory pick could be a 4th rounder maybe.
CORONATION STARSCREAM?THIS IS BAD COMEDY!! WILL ANYONE ELSE ATTEMPT TO FILL HIS SHOES?-GALVATRON
Yeah its cool
and yeah well get some compensatory picks 3rd round at highest but anything helps
We will get one
Since we lost two Koenen and Dahl but added Ray Edwards. It will probably be like a 6th or 7th rounder I’m guessing.
No to jemicheal
We already have quizz. Id rather get Isaiah Pead or David Wilson in the 3rd. Maybe even one of the 2 texas A&M RBs.
by pierre02 on Jan 12, 2012 5:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Falcon's offense
I agree we need to throw more screens and I don’t understand why in both of the last two play-off games we haven’t seen more of Tony Gonzales – how about some screen passes in his direction. How about an option with Jacqueez Rodgers as the A back and Turner as the B back
There's an ESPN Insider article
on players who should get traded and roddy white is one off em, not an insider so couldnt read the whole thing
Roddy + Clabo for Boldin + Ohrer
by GritsBlitz on Jan 12, 2012 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kirby Smart
Isn’t leaving Alabama for the Falcons. Maybe Brian Billick since he and Mike Smith are brother in laws
I wish we'd hurry up and sign someone already
so we can break it down umpteen times.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 13, 2012 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
O-line, O-line, O-line
If Ryan is going to make use of deep routs to JJ, the line needs to give him time to wait for the reciver to get down the field and get his feet set.
The running game, whether Turner, Snelling, or Quizz, will only be more effective if they are running into a gap, instead of a bunched up line.
It’s hard to fool a defense if your screen pass back pedal is just as effective as your standard pass block back pedal, or maybe vice-verse that.

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