Who Will Be The Next Atlanta Falcons Defensive Coordinator?
by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:00 PM EST
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PrintBy now, you've heard that Brian Van Gorder is gone. Again, we wish him well.
It's time to start thinking in earnest about a new defensive coordinator. The Falcons are heading into the off-season knowing that they may lose one or more of a core group of defensive starters that includes Curtis Lofton, John Abraham, Brent Grimes and Thomas DeCoud, Whoever takes over may have a very different starting eleven to work with, and they'll certainly be asked to coax more out of the pass rush and secondary than BVG did.
Mike Smith has already spoken of getting the right guy, which would seem to indicate someone who would tackle those problems, would keep a relatively low profile and fit with the team's established culture. It may be impossible to find someone who fits every bullet point on the Falcons' list, but there are guys with enough talent out there to merit consideration even so.
After the jump, a brief list of coaches I could see the Falcons considering. As the rumors start flying, we'll keep you up to date.
Jack Del Rio: The former Jacksonville Jaguars coach was fired this year after a long, mostly mediocre run as a head coach. Thankfully, the Falcons wouldn't be looking at him as a head coach.
From 1999 to 2001, Del Rio was the linebackers coach in Baltimore. Ray Lewis became a force of nature under his watch and the Ravens' linebackers were among the best in the NFL during his time there. In 2002, he took on the Carolina Panthers' defensive coordinator position, guiding the Panthers to the second best defensive ranking in the NFL, at least in terms of yardage.
Del Rio's chief obstacle would seem to be ego. Mike Smith was his defensive coordinator in Jacksonville, after all, and he may not want to work under his protege. But if he was to sign on, he'd make some sense as a 4-3 defensive mind with past success and a past relationship with Smitty. Given the Falcons' penchant for putting together a corps of elite linebackers, Del Rio makes even more sense.
Ultimately, I have to imagine they'll kick the tires on him.
Mel Tucker: Another Jaguars guy, you say? Yes, I say.
The Jaguars haven't formally replaced Tucker as head coach, but the writing is on the wall. He likely won't return to his coordinator job under a new coach, so he should be looking for work.
All you need to know about Tucker is this: His Jaguars were eighth in the NFL against the pass and ninth against the run. Consider for a moment that this was a truly inept offense outside of Maurice Jones-Drew, one that regularly turned the ball over and indulged in three-and-outs, and you get the full sense of why this is so impressive. Add in a host of injuries to the team's defense and it becomes even more impressive.
Admittedly that's a small sample size, but Tucker runs an aggressive scheme that relies heavily on quality cornerback play. If the Falcons were to re-sign Grimes and Chris Owens and Dominique Franks continue to grow, Tucker would offering up an intriguing skill set. I hope the Falcons seriously consider him.
Steve Spagnuolo: Let me start this off by saying there's a good chance that Spags ends up in Philadelphia as the defensive coordinator there again. If he doesn't, though, he's an intriguing candidate.
Spags is a big name for a reason. Having spent nearly a decade working in the Eagles organization under legendary coordinator Jim Johnson, he grew to love a blitz-happy, aggressive form of defense. He took that D with him as the defensive coordinator for the New York Giants, winning a Super Bowl with them in 2007. His tenure as the coach of the St. Louis Rams was a total disaster, but there's no denying his nose for a defense.
The Falcons' D would likely change dramatically under Spags. They would blitz more often, for starters, which would make someone like Lawrence Sidbury dramatically more valuable. It would also play extremely aggressively, likely resulting in turnovers but still allowing some big plays. Considering BVG's defense allowed big plays without the aggression, this wouldn't be the end of the world.
The biggest question here is whether Spags would be willing to take on the talent group in Atlanta, because it's not necessarily built to his specifications. I think he could make it work, but he may be a bit of a long shot.
Eric Mangini: A smart, capable defensive coordinator who has essentially bombed as a head coach. Are you sensing a pattern here?
I can't imagine the Falcons making the wholesale shift to a 3-4 defense, which is probably what it would require to get Mangini in the fold. But if they were to do that, it'd be hard to argue against him. His success with the Patriots back in the days when they had a defense works in his favor, and he made something out of lesser parts than he'd have in Atlanta.
Again, though. The switch to a 3-4 is likely not forthcoming. I can't imagine this would be a fit.
Wade Phillips: The Falcons aren't going to pry him away from the Texans and it'd be a heck of a switch to a 3-4...but man, is he good as a coordinator. Daydreamin', I guess.
Who would you suggest?
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Mike Nolan
Remember Miami is filling a head coaching spot. IF the new coach let’s Nolan go then I’d be fine with him. Look at what he built defensively in SF is doing.
I didn't list Nolan because I don't think he'll make it to Atlanta
And I was running out of time for the post. But he’d be a viable choice.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Running out of time?
You get timed on this post?
by brotherbrown on Jan 10, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, I just have to sleep at some point
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What is this "sleep" thing you speak of?
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
What about your staff ;)
LOL jk man love the site btw. It’s kept me sane venting with everyone this week.
I'm a huge Bud Foster fan, but I doubt that happens for us
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 10, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
These to name a few
John Chavis – LSU
Kirby Smart – ALA
Monte Kiffin – USC
Todd Grantham – UGA
Bud Foster – VaTech
You seem to have a pretty good grasp
If a few of you want to kick me (via email) analysis of your coach of choice, I’ll credit you and put something together soon. You guys will know better than me.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm, those might be some of the top college coordinators, but not all of them are good fits
Smart and Grantham both run the 3-4, so we can go ahead and X them out. Monte Kiffin would be great, as a Tampa 2 is one of my favorite defenses, but I don’t see him leaving his son and USC. LSU has a good defense, and a bit undersized line, but there is a lot of talent there too so his abilities might be inflated a bit as well.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
You left out the part about
“Grantham is just fine where he is, thanks.” But other than that, Yep.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a dawg too bro and don't want him to leave
I doubt he would unless they talked crazy money…he’s just getting settled in and wants to be a HC. Being a great college DC will start him on that path.
Lemme Rec that right on up
Melky was a fail, but that was Melky’s fault, or the fault of Atlanta for having awesome cheeseburgers and ribs.
by Broccoman on Feb 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST
I'd say Kirby and Chavis are the weaker of the ones listed
Chavis – I’d have to see his stats from Tennessee before I would give him any props
Smart – how much of the defense prep goes to Saban and how much to Smart?
Either of the other 3 I’d be more comfortable with esp Kiffin. But yeah the 3-4 scheme is going to be an adjustment period dunno if the brass will go for that.
As a Tennessee fan...
…I can tell you that Chavis is a solid college defensive coordinator, but I’m not sure how he’d work in the NFL, and he has some faults, regardless. The main one of these is a penchant for dropping into prevent defense way earlier than he should have. I don’t know if he’s had this problem at LSU, but I can name three or four games that this philosophy single-handedly cost Tennessee over the years. Also, how good his defenses are depend very largely on how talented they are. He never has an awful defense, but he certainly never turns a ragtag group into one of the best defensive units in college football, either. When he has a highly-rated defense, it’s highly-rated talentwise, too. I never had too big a problem with his philosophy on blitzing or zone or man or anything like that. I think he mixes his schemes up well enough, and he is a 4-3. The main thing is the prevent. If the opponent has the ball tied or behind by a possession with under two minutes remaining, especially if they need a touchdown, they are absolutely getting the ball into scoring position.
I need to do more research before I put up that post
I’m not a guy who follows college football closely, but I’ll work on a list and try to get it up next week.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Top 3
Mel Tucker, Spags, Nolan.
Now if we could just get Peyton Manning to retired and become our offensive coordinator.
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 10, 2012 12:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure how well that would actually work
But it’d be damn fun to find out.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
I Like
Maybe Mike Zimmer, Spags, Del Rio, Tucker, and maybe we can sign the lb coach of dline coach of a great defense persay the ravens and steelers, like a younger guy whos wanting to make a name yeah it might be a risk but the payoff would be huge
Didn't we have Zimmer in the past?
I may be wrong but I could swear he was our DC once before
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 10, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well he has turned cincy into a great d
and they are similar to us, great lb core above average corners with suspect fs cough chris crocker wonder were he played before but idk well im confident atl will gget someone good as for offense HUE JACKSON!!!!!
I actually liked Mike Zimmer
And what he’s done in Cincinnati
I don’t know why they let him go. (the falcons)
I know the Falcons gave it up like a two dollar hooker in the final few games but if your offense can’t score any defense will get tired.
by brotherbrown on Jan 10, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
He was here with Petrino
and that gets him a pass on just about anything. I always wondered how he would have done with the talent TD has assembled.
I'm not entirely convinced by any of these
I know a lot of people want a big name ex-head coach off the scrapheap but I think the organisation should look to a younger up-and-comer with ideas, enthusiasm and ambition.
I can’t pretend to have an intimate enough knowledge of the league to suggest any potential candidates, but I’m sure there are a couple out there that a thorough search could uncover.
by J.D. Schillinger on Jan 10, 2012 12:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Failed Head Coaches Make the Best Coordinators
They got hired as head coaches for a reason, after all. Plus, most of the young, dynamic coaches already have jobs as coordinators, and convincing a guy to make a lateral job change is really tough. Otherwise the team would be hiring a coach with no experience as a coordinator, which is a risky proposition.
Tucker actually fits the bill as a young up-and-coming coach. The only problem is that he may get hired as a head coach somewhere, either this year or a couple years down the road.
Spags would be my choice.
And there is my entire expert analysis on this matter.
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Dave, I'm a bit confused by your advocacy for Mel Tucker
All you need to know about Tucker is this: His Jaguars were eighth in the NFL against the pass and ninth against the run. Consider for a moment that this was a truly inept offense outside of Maurice Jones-Drew, one that regularly turned the ball over and indulged in three-and-outs, and you get the full sense of why this is so impressive.
I understand their offense was pretty sucky, and MJD is the only shine of light they have, but what does that have to do with their defensive ranks? I like your other point about injuries taking a toll, which to me saying a team can succeed on defense without a lot of perceived depth is a great reflection of the coordinator.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 10, 2012 12:41 PM EST reply actions
Meaning with the lack of O how often their defense was on the field
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by DopeFalcons on Jan 10, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
They were turning the ball over constantly and losing the TOP battle, so the D had to deal with lengthy playing time every game. I think that speaks to their effectiveness.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, makes sense now
Thanks guys
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 10, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I could have been clearer on that point
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Didn't know much about Tucker til your post above
Interesting…when did they fire Del Rio? Next obvious question …how much of the defensive prep was Del Rio’s doing and how much was Mel’s?
That's the big question
They fired Del Rio partway through the season, a move I thought was probably overdue. Considering the D continued to look pretty good after JDR moved on, I’d say it was mostly Tucker, but that’s a guess.
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Yeah knowing TD, Blank, and Smitty...they'll find out
Smitty probably has the best insight into this of anyone outside of the Jags.
However
We put 41 on that D, so how good is Tucker exactly?
by DenverFalcon on Jan 10, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think I read in a tweet or herd on ESPN or something
That they had some sort of record for guys going on IR. I know at least half their roster ended up an IR and many of them were on the defense. Man they should look into some new trainers down there.
I've thought about this
and I wonder if a defensive minded coach like Mike Smith would be willing to have a guy as his DC that has had more success in that capacity than he has had in his career. In other words a guy who would take over so to speak and bring a scheme (not necessarily the 3-4) that does not match the core beliefs Smith believes in as a former DC, this could actually hinder the acquisition of the proven successful defensive mind we all cherish. As much as we blame BVG for soft zone and MM for his play calling, doesn’t Coach Smith give these guys their marching orders and insure their play calling and schemes are what he wants to see week in and week out? Is this coach willing to let an experienced guy come in here and takeover the position of DC and OC for that matter? I don’t think so. Coach Smith in the long run may end up being his own worst enemy.
Thats the million dollar question
Smitty might be the problem but he has earned another yr. If he doesn’t win a playoff game next year he and MR should be looking for new jobs.
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but they are going to keep Tucker and his staff and bring in a new OC and HC. Plus I would be quite surprised if we land any current big name DC. Kirby Smart, that’s right, don’t believe me look at what he and Saban did in 06 to Miami. Plus with the need for a DE and the lack of true 4-3 types I feel it may be time to adapt to what colleges are sending to the pros and change schemes.
by dnldbrk on Jan 10, 2012 12:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I assume the Falcons will vet a guy like Smart
I mean, he seems like a SMART choice. Har har!
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Dave I have an idea
We could trade MM to either Jax for Tucker or to Miami for Nolan,you know whichever one that would be willing to throw in a draft choice as part of the deal would get him.
I think they'd die laughing
If we asked them for a draft choice. I don’t think that it’s unreasonable to expect Mularkey to go one way and one of those guys to go the other, though.
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Do we have one we can thow in?
"Everybody has a plan until they get hit" Iron Mike Tyson.
"Screw 2nd." Lugs Harvey.
"In Grimes we trust, all others get gashed"- Me.
by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
ME!! Dats who! Say hello to the bad guy!
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 12:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Jack Del Rio, is that you?
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I say it will be someone with the JAGS
Jack Del Rio or Mel Tucker.
Spags would be awesome tho
Hope its Spags or Mike Nolan...Mangini
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Or Tucker...
Someone with attitude but not a big mouth
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Reports are Spags is heading back to Philly
All aboard the Mel Tucker train.
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Well hopefully we make an offer to interview
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I call conductor!
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Does Mel Tucker Blitz much
Relying on Cornerback play with our secondary could be rough atleast for awhile…yikes.
True but hasty throws can turn into tasty throws
Plus our good LBs will be covering the underneath stuff
it's danged if you do danged if you don't
I mean it’s not like we stopped anyone on third down in zone. Here’s a stat that means the most in stopping offenses. Whoever’s QB has the most grass on his jersey at the end of the day will lose. I want a defense that will up that stat.
We should call Brandon Boykin and offer him a lot of bread
to not enter the draft., then sign him as soon as he was eligible. As I have said. I am a fn not a professional rule knwer so if that can’t work I would be glad to learn something new.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
No to Mangini if for no other reason than I
don’t think I could take the Aints fans with the obvious taunt that comes with him every time they scored.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions
The Mangina defense.
It breaks like a hymen. And so forth.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ahhh yea.. the ATLANTA Man-Ginas
He needs to change his name.
DO you believe Smith that BVG left on his Own?
There has to be more to this. Going from an NFL DC to College DC, seems odd to do on your own accord, esp someone that has had success in the NFL.
It depends on how much the new contract
is worth vis a vis the old one I guess. I believe them FWIW The “D” was good until the O couldn’t give them any breaks. I wonder how you would find out the total TOP for a year?
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
True
SEC can pay big bucks for coaches these days.
I think he was told he'd be gone
Or it was at least implied.
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One think about College
Its easier to get broke college kids to listen to you than millionaire grown men.
Here's a thought
Ok..let’s assume that BVG knew he was going to go after the season and started working on getting the Auburn job. I seriously doubt it was just a phone call after the NYG loss and BVG was hmmm hadn’t thought of leaving but “Yeah I’ll take it!”
So let’s also assume then that the Falcons knew he was leaving several weeks ago. IF those assumptions are true then they’ve been vetting people internally for a few weeks I bet. Now if only I could tap into that Flowery Branch Skype feed.
Since we haven't heard in the media about any authorized contacts with existing DCs
My bet is they’ve been talking to recent fires and people that aren’t currently in DC positions in the pros. Just my two cents.
As their FIRST vettings
Not that they are specifically and only targeting people who fit those two situations
True...but consider
That college athletes aren’t:
- Grown men…i.e. as mature as “most” NFL players
- NFL players are more vetted and usually smarter than your average college joe imo
- Professionals where you can have full access to training, video, 24×7 if you want to get better
College also has more turnover than pros on a constant basis.
So college coordinators shouldn’t be just dismissed offhandedly. They have a tough job in some ways that the NFL isn’t.
According to his sister in law on 680
He was making a pre-emptive move. Smith knew he was looking and BVG wanted to front-end the situation. I’d call that quite an amicable split between the two parties. Works for everyone.
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by Duff_Man on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll say this for BVG then
If he knew in advance that he was going and still had his defense up to snuff against NY considering our Offensive EGG. Then kudos to him for following through on his responsibility to the Falcons considering those circumstances. Heck of a job I’d say.
If Only
One of us would call up 680 and be the “brother” of one Mike Mularkey. Ramble about how he’s fed up and shouldn’t have to tolerate with Atlanta media because according to him, “we don’t know what we’re talking about”.
If he’s not gone over the next few weeks I sure as hell would be tempted to do so.
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it might take some time before
the Falcons make their decision or even interview some of the top names on their list.
most of the big names will be eyeing HC jobs, and agree to interview for a coordinators job only when they know there no HC jobs for them.
keeping this in mind, our list would need to be updated once all the HC vacancies are filled. If the Chiefs do not give the full time gig to Crennel, he’d be at the top of my list.
However, after seeing how TD and Smitty make their decisions, I’m inclined to think they’ll eventually get some no name coordinator, possibly a position coach from some other team.
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Well, some of those guys KNOW
like Jack Del Rio and Mel Tucker. They are good on their side but not so much running both sides.
Is Buddy Ryan still alive? We should hire him so when MM screws up Buddy will just go up to him and give him a good pop
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That would mean MM would be back
I say NO NO NO!
Smeone suggested with our persoennel package
Jerry Glanville with that run and gun thing and the Gritz Blitz. for some defense. can’t be worse than the last game I suppose. GO FALCONS> RISE UP. We should change our team name to Phoenixes I guess. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
Make something good happen in the offseason Mr Blank. Thank You, A longtime fan.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions
The run and shoot...those were the days
All those 1,000 yd WRs on one team. We had no problem scoring then…even though we still got beat all the time.
please no
Although Glanville was a DC before he arrived, his Atlanta defences were mostly pretty poor. They got regularly shredded by good passing and running teams alike. The credit for that passing O goes to June Jones, a guy I had lots of time for.
by ukfalcon on Jan 10, 2012 4:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No to Del Rio
I like Tucker as the dark horse. I think he can turn this D around. Spags will be a long shot and rumors are he might go back to NYG. Fewell would be nice to but since his D demolished us I don’t think he is going anywhere. Nolan or Zimmer also could be in play.
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hope MMs interview went great today!
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
pretty talented
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
How do you respond to "So Mike your offense scored 0 points in your last playoff game and failed to convert several crucial 3rd and 4th down conversions...why?"
When I think of this I dont pircture his interview going that well. Then again they did seek him out.
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
DC
Spags would be my top choice. No on Del Rio for a myriad of reasons. Monte Kiffin was a good call by one of the early commentors, but I don’t think he’d leave USC either. But just for ranking purposes, I’d say Spags, Kiffin, Tucker (I guess…)
by The "Ice" Man Cometh... on Jan 10, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions
Of course, they Could pull a "Mike Smith" on us
we’d all be sent googling, “Who”. I remember for 2 days I was under the impression Mike Smith was a black guy, apparently it was just the writer of the article that announced it.
Or (HORROR OF HORRORS)
They could keep MM. They did last year.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
interesting to note
The Falcons swept Carolina in 2002 with two blowouts, despite their defense.
That's a good point
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Division rivalry games
Are not normally reflective of each team’s true standings. I remember the year that Dallas went 1-15. The only team they beat? The Washington Redskins.
Good Writeup!
Spags,Del Rio and Mel tucker either one of them should be a good fit. No more college coaches please. Falcons would be stuck with another College coach running soft zone.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 10, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'll take BAMA's DC
as long as we get first dibs on their guys entering the draft
I think we get the leftovers this year.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 10, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
He is good but Defense needs to do more to be elite.
Get some one from the dynasty of great coordinators who are creative and have been in the NFL for a while.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 10, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to see Spags hired, but
in the post it mentions that Smith wants someone with a low profile and Spags unfortunately doesn’t fit that mold. I hope to be proven wrong however.
All signs point to Tucker
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well if that's true
I wouldn’t mind a guy focusing on CB play
But we do need a better scheme at pass rushing
Although better CB play may help that
by brotherbrown on Jan 10, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
MM to Jags as HC.
Tucker to Falcons as DC. Sounds like a fair deal.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 10, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I just consulted the Mayan calendar....and YOU'RE RIGHT!
The good news after May 2012 we hold EVERYONE to no points allowed.
well the raiders haven't changed
Hue Jackson is fired.
Should he be an OC again for the Falcons?
Hue Jackson just got fired...theres another OC on the market
by Bigru3 on Jan 10, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's at least a possibility
Though his grandstanding in Oakland won’t help him.
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Horrible decision on their part.
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As I noted below
he was our OC in 2007 (I had no idea, prior to just now)
but uh….that should tell you all you need to know.
I will say they did a good job of making it happen in Oakland with Bush/McFadden and whoever else they have down there aside from Interception Palmer
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 10, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah - but
He traded a first rounder and next year’s second rounder for Palmer.
The guy really does not have sense.
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I have a question for all the critics of BVG. Wasn’t “his” defensive style/philosophy identical to Mike Smith’s???
How different would Del Rio or Tucker’s different look?
I think we need a truly brilliant defensive mind a la Lebeau or Wade. I say Spags is the only candidate that fits the bill. Hopefully Blank will throw the kitchen sink at him.
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by Blue Falcon on Jan 10, 2012 1:51 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
That's a fair question
What I’m hoping for is that Smith will be asked to either lend a little more autonomy to the next coordinator or re-work his scheme a bit.
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Not this year
I can remember on several occasions that Smith was unhappy with the defensive play calling – saying it wasn’t aggressive enough.
I think part of the reason BVG was out the door so quickly is that – at some point during the season – Smitty probably started dictating how he wanted the D run.
Commented in the other thread
but do y’all realize that ALL of the top 5 defenses were 3-4 this season? Makes sense if you think about it- the 3-4 is designed to stop the pass, and the NFL has gone pass crazy. Interesting food for thought.
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by J Tadpole on Jan 10, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
interesting observation
and a useful one, since we get to play pass happy NO twice, in addition to Cam Newton and (maybe) Josh Freeman – prolific passers.
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by Gemini-RU on Jan 10, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hue Jackson fired from Oakland
is he a defensive guy?
Just Wiki’d him. He was our OC in 2007. Do not want.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 10, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions
07 is 07
We have different weapons and most importantly a better QB. He had to work with Harrington and Redman. Oak offense was pretty good this yr and plus he takes shots often. He would be better than MM for sure.
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 2:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You gotta admit, Jackson loves to air it out
It would be kinda cool seeing Matt bomb it out to Julio 5 times a game.
matt Ryan
With Ryan’s arm, we need to change to west coast offense. Short passing game. Greg Knapp would do well for falcons. He is the one that had Schaub drafted with Altanta. and he is the one that had T.J. Yates drafted. He know QB"s. Runs zone running game. Back’s do well with his system
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Video: More changes on the way for Falcons
11:18 am January 10, 2012, by D. Orlando Ledbetter
Who should the Falcons blame for their 24-2 loss to the Giants? CineSport’s Noah Coslov sits with D. Orlando Ledbetter of the AJC to ask this and find out what other changes will take place as offensive coordinator interviews in Jacksonville today.
Here’s my working list of candidates to replace defensive coordinator Brian VanGorder. One thing to keep in mind is that coach Mike Smith pointed out that the team has drafted for a 4-3 defense so you can rule out 3-4 guys.
1. Mike Nolan
2. Steve Spagnuolo
3. Jack Del Rio
4. Raheem Morris
5. Tim Lewis
Even if Mularkey doesn’t land the job in Jacksonville or Miami, the team could move in a different direction on offense. Here’s my working list of candidates to replace Mularkey. Smith said he wants a balanced attack and doesn’t believe you can be one-dimensional.
1. Dirk Koetter
2. Mike Martz
3. Terry Robiskie
4. Rick Neuheisel
5. Brian Billick
Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.
Luring Brian Billick outta the booth would be cool.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 10, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Billick would be a godsend as an OC
Aren’t he an Smitty brothers-in-law? That could get pretty awkward.
Are Billick's numbers really that good post Vikings?
And look what he had with the Vikings. I know he didn’t have a QB in Baltimore, but my last impressions of him as OC were….feh…
Do coaches salaries go against the cap?
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LOLOLOL
Anybody else find the bit about the offense not being one dimensional and including Mike Martz on the list of OCs to be kind of hilarious?
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by Dave Choate on Jan 10, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like Martz
He’s an egotistical donkey and he’ll get our QB killed trying to pass all the time with this line.
Let me offer a different take
Holgorsen is a brilliant college OC and HC, but there are quite a few aspects of his scheme that wouldn’t survive the transition to the pros. Packaging concepts (like run and pass plays together based on a single read) works well at the college level because practices are restricted, and thus offense and defense has to be much simpler. In the pros, they will have ample time to prepare. Holgorsen has said that he installs his offense in 3 days, then just repeats it over again to make sure they have the base plays down. That being said he’s a bright guy, so he might be able to adjust, but the offensive genius who rises up from the college ranks doesn’t have the best track record in the pros: think Spurrier, or dare I say his name, Petrino.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 11, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah lol
Does a Martz off ever run the ball?
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Martz figured it out this season. Which is why Cutler started to look better and Forte looked great
He does not use the TE tho. Then again he knows how to use screens. He’s an egotistical bastard that would probably be gone in two years, then again maybe two years is all we need for that damn ring.
Roddy did say that our offense could be the second coming of the Greatest Show on Turf
If we get Martz in house, maybe we could see if Roddy was right.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 10, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Balance???
MM is as balanced as it gets. As matter of fact, the few times he did call a higher percentage of pass plays…we lost! Mike Smith owns some of our offensive embarrassment in the playoffs by going for it on 4th in 1 instead of taking a field goal and maintaining momentum.
We don’t need more pass plays, we need more effective pass plays (see Tebow vs. Pittsburgh).
Brian Billick might work, but I think Randy Moss’ freakish talent made him look like a genius in MN.
Mike Martz hasn’t impressed anyone without Kurt Warner running his offense.
I don’t know that any other OC options will be much of an improvement over MM.
Think about it. Everyone thinks Andy Reid would be a huge (pun intended) improvement, but how many Super Bowls has he got?
I’d like to see what our offense under MM could accomplish if our defense could get more 3 and outs and turnovers.
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well
I’d like to see what our offense under MM could accomplish if our defense could get more 3 and outs and turnovers.
our D did come up with plenty of stops even in the Giants game, but the offense went nowhere.
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This Totally .........Right
I would’ve love to MM leave B4 BVG any day!
Atlanta is so Damn backwards!
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 10, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
am I crazy?
Mike Nolan is a 3-4 guy!
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I am in the Spags camp
But I am intrigued by tucker.
I want an exciting, kick ass defense. I don’t care if we give up the occasional big play if we begin to bring the pain more on defense.
I think a good choice here can also keep some of the defensive guys who might otherwise leave.
by KEScottII on Jan 10, 2012 2:19 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
My vote is for Mangini and a 3-4 D...I'm not big on Tucker or Del Rio
We already have one too many JAX coaches. It seems like they’d run the same type of D as we have now. We need a stud DC to completely change what we are doing. Spags will probably go to Philly so I doubt he’d be an option. I’d love to see Mike Nolan in ATL, but my vote is for Mangenius. Why do so many folks think we don’t have the personnel for a 3-4?. If you think about it, the only piece we are missing is a NT. We already have the ILB’s and outside LB’s/outside rushers in Spoon,Nicholas, and Adkins. Plus Kroy, Matthews, and Sid could be part of the outside rushers rotation. We’d be able to get a good pass rush with them. We’d have Babs, Ray, Jerry and Walker as the DE’s.
Forgot to mention it would allow Dunta and Owens to beast out in man coverage
A 3-4 would allow us to see the real Dunta since he wont be playing a stupid zone and can bump the WR at the line.
Walker could play NT
In a wade phillips type of system. I think if they let beer man go they can draft a 3-4 OLB and there are always some in the draft. Spoon and Lofton could play ILB. Sid and a draft pick could play OLB.
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I actually think Kroy could be a good OLB
In my version of a 3-4 in ATL, Lofton and Dent would be the ILBs. Spoon and Nicholas would be the outside rushers and they’d rotate with Kroy, Matthews, and Sid. Babs, Ray, Jerry and Walker would be our DE’s and we could draft a big NT. There are several decent ones projected to go in the 2nd-3rd round. Plus we already have a thumper SS in Moore who’d be playing closer to the line of scrimmage instead of coverage. That way, we can utilize his ability to hit ball carriers and TE’s.
Maybe put spoon and lofton inside with Sid and kept outside
But Nicholas has no place in a 3-4.
We’d have to get rid of Ray, find a new NT and hope babs/peters can play DE.
We stick with a 4-3
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 10, 2012 3:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Not really
Inside linebackers- Lofton and Dent
Outside linebackers- Spoon and Sid/Biermann (who was a LB in college).
But you’re right, we would have to get a big boy for the middle and we could get a very good NT in free agency. And we don’t know if Babs and Peters can play DE.
With Abe as a free agent and the need of a DC, this would be the perfect time to make the move to a 3-4.
Biermann could play 34 OLB
One of the more memorable moments from the game Sunday was either a touchdown or a long run, where Franks and Sanders weren’t even the closest defenders to making a tackle, it was Biermann streaking down the field. He’s got an impressive motor and range, enough to get a shot if we were ever to convert.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 11, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
A 3-4 would be nice but
i think we should run a 4-3 defense but to run a proper 3-4 youll need a genius DC who disguises plays and has exotic looks formations and blitzs, and i think spoon would be a better ILB in a 3-4 going down hill making tackles, i dont think sid is athletic enough to be a 3-4 olb kroy is but hes not that good and the dline could be a solid. I say we stick with 4-3 get a dc who will be agressive let sid play mix up the looks cause we never disguise anything teams know its zone look with maybe spoon or lofton or a db blitzing nothing special
I think Sid is pretty athletic
He has good pass rush moves and is pretty fast. Mangini has done better with less talent. I know its a long shot, but when is the last time we had a DC who was a good game planner who disguises plays as well as Mangenius?
Im not saying he isnt an athlete
I just dont see him as a guy who could stand up and rush when look at him his body type isnt that of a 3-4 OLB, i think hell be a great 4-3 DE who needs to start next year
No point of this discussion since we're not going 3-4 but Sid falls in line with other 3-4 LBs
Demarcus Ware- 6-4/260 OLB
Terrell Suggs- 6-3/260
Mario Williams- 6-6/283
LaMar Woodley- 6-2/265
Lawrence Sidbury- 6-3/261
Excellent
Also, Sidbury and Biermann were both projected as 34 OLB in their respective drafts since they were undersized, athletic ends.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 11, 2012 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hell no not mike martz
jay cutler told us everything we need to know bout him in the sunday night game lolol, i want hue jackson dude has swagger last press conference for the raiders, hes like “we have no killer instict we dont wanna drive teams into the dirt and im gonna change that” hire him with just that quote dont even interview him
The more I think about it, Hue Jackson could be a nice fit in ATL
Oakland uses their WR depth chart and likes to throw deep. I think they have tried a few fake kicks too (which the HC usually signs off on first) so the guy is definitley a risk taker. We definitely need that here.
I am sure he is really eager to come to ATL after the initial disaster that happened.
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Whole new regime
now gotta mike smith classy guy and so it TD
Yes thank you
Oakland offense did work this year, esp with a suspect oline jason campbell and carson of the couch palmer, add in they have avg wr, we could do work with him, i really hope he uses HD tony g doesnt open up the middle because hes slow as hell with hd coming across the middle you gotta account for his speed
Me 2
He is actually a perfect fit for us. He runs a balanced attack and takes deep shots often. He would be a nice addition for this “explosive” offense we where promised. Hue and Mel would be a perfect coordinator combo. With Smittys discipline would scew any questions about Hues problems in Oak.
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 3:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am an Falcons fan in the SF/OAK Bay Area.
When I was listening to one of the local sports stations and I heard Hue had been fired, my first though was "please let him end up in Atlanta. Perfect fit as an OC, his antics as a HC tired but he can be a great fit as OC. The Falcons need some big changes.
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by Johnny Carcinogen on Jan 10, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
There's no way he'll get a sniff
After the power play he pulled in Oakland, he’s not Thomas Dimitroff Approved™.
by TheAreopagite on Jan 11, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Wait....
sorry i’m not up to date on candidates for the the DC, but why do some think steve spagnola would be a good choice? jw
As for DC
I’d like to see a former coach who’s won a playoff game, or at least promote a position coach from a different team (someone with an aggressive defense). Even though Spags is likely to go to Philly, he’s be my favorite choice I think. I’d avoid college coaches.
For players Lofton and Grimes should be resigned ASAP. They can let Abe walk if they need too (i’d rather have him back) because I don’t see him getting any better. (ie younger).
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by Atlanta Superbowls on Jan 10, 2012 3:48 PM EST reply actions
lol
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 10, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Isn't it like facebook where the ads are triggered by what kind of sites you visit?
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 10, 2012 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hue Jackson just got canned by The Raiders! Maybe Atlanta's new OC?!
No wonder people wont take a coaching job from them! He could put together a pretty good offense but I’m not sure he would be the right fit for us as OC.
Just heard on 680thefan
Chuck just said that after the last New Orleans game BVG and MM were both told that if you have other opportunities to check on them. MM is gone shortly.
They will prob make a decision pretty quickly
Since we have so many free agents on defense…You don’t want guys walking because they don’t know what the stiuation will be or the guy coaching them having no say as to their role on the team.
Off topic, but....
Did anyone read this?
Ouch!
JJ was difference maker this season.
I would argue we couldn’t have been better this season without JJ,considering Roddy White took a back step.JJ had 8 TD tied with Roddy White. Last year White and TG were only receivers with more than 500 yards. With Turner struggling it would have been very hard this year. We didn’t give up 5 picks for JJ, this is what we gave up 2010 2nd and 4th,2011 1st and 4th. we gave up one 24th pick,1 second round pick and 2 4th round picks. Is it worth it, time will tell.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Jan 10, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
This is why i dont read SI
Thats beyond dumb to think WRs dont cause a substantial affect on a team. You telling me that Lions are the same team without Megatron? He does have one point though. That giving up that many picks for 1 player with so many other needs was a mistake. Especially since there are a ton of WRs in this yrs draft with 1st rd talent.
by pierre02 on Jan 10, 2012 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's not that his overarching point isn't a good one
You really shouldn’t trade a ton of draft picks for a receiver. I love Julio and he’ll probably pay off handsomely over the long run, but it was a lot of give up.
I HATE the way CHFF writes. It works for them, clearly, but I cannot stand it. This is a classic example of a piece with a good point that just rubs me the wrong way.
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I agree
I didn’t like the draft picks given up. Don’t get me wrong, he is great and will probably be for years to come if he stops the injury train.
I ,too, hate this piece.
He has some good points, but makes them in a very bad way.
He really does not want any Falcon fan to like him writing in this fashion.
Yeah, I don't think he cares who likes him
And I respect that up to a point. But it doesn’t mean I have to like the way he presents his argument.
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yeah, really
Instead of saying reasonably and in an unbiased way that the Falcons had more than just 1 weakness, and gave up too many picks, he took the route of borderline trashing.
Quick-payoff philosophy
Frankly, I’m tired of writers who make proclamations that certain draft picks or moves were a bust when we’re only one season in.
And to clarify – we did not give up 5 picks – we gave up 4 to upgrade our existing 1st round pick.
Anyhow – we will find out in the long run if this was the right move. I believe it will be, and I believe the early returns on the picks the Browns got show that we got an explosive play-maker while the other picks turned into – at most – decent starters.
I more or less agree
Like I said, his point that teams shouldn’t give up multiple picks for receivers in general is one I don’t disagree with in principle.
That said, I love me some Julio Jones, and he’s poised to do great things. I’m not going to cry about it.
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If you look at who they got with those picks it was a steal
2nd and 4th round picks are iffy. Probably a 50% hit rate and the people that people drafted in those spots so far….feh…so yeah I’ll take Julio over that talent.
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by TheAreopagite on Jan 11, 2012 8:45 AM EST up reply actions
Mel Tucker
did a lot with almost nothing, and with a new HC coming in, he could be looking for a new job. He fits in with our scheme, and the obvious connection with Mike Smith and Jax. He would be my front runner.
Spags might be hard to get with his connections to the NFC east, so he is doubtful.
Del Rio, don’t see him coming back to work for Smith. There could be a power struggle for the defense and things could get ugly.
Greg Williams, obvious rumors about his relationship with Peyton. He would bring an inside knowledge to our greatest division foe. But his defenses hemorrhage yards. However we do have the playmakers to create turnovers. But his connection to Fisher might lead him to St Louis before considering Atlanta.
Myriad of 3-4 guys, Smitty made a comment about this that they have been drafting for the 4-3 in his press conference on Monday. A total roster overhaul would not work in the team’s or his best interest. Not going to happen.
Grantham was UGA’s 2nd choice Smart being #1 from what I heard, and Georgia was ready to make him HC after MR started 0-2
by dnldbrk on Jan 10, 2012 5:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can’t blame Kirby for rolling Tide. Grantham is going to do some great things at UGA. Richt was hardly on the hot-seat BUT he’s to got fix the team’s slow starts.
You probably didn’t see the AD’s interviews after both losses, Richt had 1 foot out the door, plus I know a couple of boosters/alumni that confirm.
by dnldbrk on Jan 10, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What do you guys think about maybe letting Smitty take over the defense
While staying on as HC obviously. I looked up the stats earlier and it looks like he did a decent job with the Jags. I’m gonna be writing a fanpost about it at somepoint in the future but thought I might get the ball rolling here.
Rarely works
I’m sure he’d do a good job at first, but the HC has enough to do as it is. Calling the defense would require far more of his time than I think he has available.
I Think
Smitty was to hands on with our offense he’s a defensive guy, he should help the DC when it comes to O next year he should let the OC call all the shots and smitty decides on going for it or fakes or w.e
by Nedk23 on Jan 10, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I want...
…whoever will bring a mean-spirited (but not “dirty”), blizting, aggressive D who realizes soft zones aren’t ALWAYS the way to go – particularly against teams like GB, NO, NYG, NE, etc.
And some killers to put at end in the draft.
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 14, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
For O-coordinator...
…I was hoping SD would fire Norv. The fact that they haven’t is beyond perplexing.
Kirby Smart or Todd Grantham
those would be my choices. both of their 3-4 defensive schemes make sense to me. think about it. we could put babs or corey peters rotating at NT, we have four solid LB’s (if we resign 5-0) , bring back Abe for 2-3 years. plus smart’s knack for blitz packages intrigue me. i also want more man coverage and at least one solid hard hitting safety. maybe i am asking too much but i see all of them being possible to do this offseason.
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