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Caleb's post yesterday about the coaching staff sparked a lot of discussion. Some bemoaned the way everyone from Mike Smith down to Joe Zelenka have performed this season, while others were alarmed by the headline, which featured the words "hot seat" prominently. The argument, essentially, was what the hell are we doing talking about the most successful coach in team history being on the hot seat after a 1-2 start to the season?

Over the last two months, I've seen a lot of angst about these Falcons. There were concerns about the team throughout pre-season, concerns that in retrospect seem totally fair. For the first time in the Mike Smith era, the Falcons have stumbled badly out of the gate, to the extent that many are now concerned that the team will suffer its first losing season since 2007. The fall from grace has been rapid.

Everyone is welcome to their opinions here, and I don't write this seeking to stifle anyone. I do have a message for every fan who is despondent now, though, wondering why the Football Gods have forsaken them. 

Take the long view. 

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I've been a fan of this team for a little over two decades now. If you're not familiar with my history as a fan, I'll give you the extremely short version. Born in Massachusetts, spent my formative years in Patriots country and grew up as a Falcons fan for no clear reason I can remember. Having picked my team, it never occurred to me to abandon them, so I've stumbled and bumbled my way along with them for 21 years. 

That's not to say that the Falcons haven't tried my patience over the years. For much of my life, they've either been a terrible, mediocre or slightly above average team. In their flashes of brilliance, such as in 1998, they've still managed to fall short. It used to be that I could commiserate with the sea of Patriots fans who surround me, but the last decade has wiped out their collective memories of the terrible times. As it should.

The way you survive as a Falcons fan is by imagining that better days are around the corner. For literally decades, it's been the only way to make it through another season where the Falcons went 7-9, 4-12 or 9-7 and got bounced in the first round of the playoffs. The road to the present is littered with the corpses of once-promising seasons. 

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Mike Smith and Thomas Dimitroff changed all that. Suddenly, the Falcons were perennial playoff contenders. They built a young, hungry team.

As much as I hate to say it—especially because the team hasn't won a playoff game in that three-year span—the success simultaneously spoiled fans and didn't change their outlooks at all. Suddenly, every loss became a funeral. Every setback, every injury and every boneheaded mistake was the heralding of a grand collapse. By and large, Falcons fans simply couldn't shake the sense of impending doom that has been part and parcel of this team for four-and-a-half decades. 

When it didn't happen—think last year after the Steelers game to open the season—fans were still wary. National pundits and fans of other teams scoffed at the Falcons, calling them paper birds of prey. The loss to the Packers seemed a fulfillment of every dark word we collectively spoke last season, and the Falcons spent the off-season taking a hell of a lot of abuse for a team that was the top seed in the NFC in 2010.

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And now we're here, sitting at 1-2 with very real problems along the offensive line and with the aggressiveness of the team's schemes, and many have settled into a comfortable narrative. The coaching staff must go! The players must be replaced! These bums are going nowhere!

I don't want to live like that. I want to appreciate that this is the best football played in Atlanta in many, many years, and that a 1-2 start does not mean that the Falcons are totally screwed. I want to be able to point out the good things without being called a fool. I want to be able to debate the real problems this team has without every discussion devolving into a "FIRE MULARKEY!" meme, without half the fanbase taking their 13-3 playoff boasts made in the pre-season and transforming them into 5-11 predictions on the basis of three games.

I want to do that because football and The Falcoholic are joys for me, and to leap headfirst into a pit of despair after every game wears a man down. I want to do it because for all its flaws, it is a joy to watch the Falcons' young safeties pick passes, to see the promise in a 5'6" running back who is still just a rookie, and to see Matt Ryan uncork a beautiful pass with only nanoseconds before his teeth are rattled in his head and connect with Roddy White downfield. There is promise and greatness even in the midst of three (mostly) bad games, and I see enough to have faith that the Falcons will be a damn good football team again if they can fix their Achilles heel on the offensive line. 

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Take the long view. Remember that even the greatest teams ever—the unstoppable Raiders of John Madden's heyday, the mighty Steelers of the Steel Curtain era, the steam-powered Patriots of the 2000's—have fallen on hard times in the middle of their runs. They've missed the playoffs, they've made the playoffs and been humiliated, and so on. What defined these teams was a commitment to excellence, to holding the core together and always striding forward. If these teams had blown up their coaching staffs and traded away their elite players based on a single stretch of games or even a bad season, I wouldn't be sourcing them right now. 

Keep this all in perspective. The Falcons can get better as soon as the next game. Win against the Seahawks and you're 2-2. Continue that improvement against teams like the Saints and Packers and maybe you come into mid-season at 5-3, positioned to make a second half run after plowing through the hardest part of the schedule. Even if they falter and this season goes poorly, the core will be there in 2012, the same core that has without question transformed Atlanta Falcons football since coming aboard in 2008. 

I'm not saying changes shouldn't be made, that perhaps Mike Mularkey should be seeking a new job by mid-season. But if you really want to blow this up entirely and start over, you risk going back to the days when the Falcons were awful. Short memories are and have always been the enemy of lasting success. 

Forgive the rambling, but this has been on my mind. Feel free to weigh in, my Falcoholic friends. 

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by Jason Kirk on Sep 28, 2011 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

This

Is a great way to start the day. Excellent points across the board, sir. If everything goes well this weekend I think we can use a win as a confidence booster for both fans and players. Here’s to a good post and a great game.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 28, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Couple of things I want to clear up here...

At no point have I ever even considered blowing up the roster or firing the entire coaching staff. This team is tremendously talented and has the ability to win now and in the future. However, coupled with that promise are a number of significant underlying issues. The worst of them all is an offensive coordinator who does not have the ability to adapt his “scheme or system” to other teams approaches (Bears Cover 2) or issues with our own team (O-line).

There are some things that need to change on this team and I will do my best to offer up suggestions:
1. It is unrealistic to assume the Mularkey will be fired this season, however playcalling duties need to be taken away asap and I am not just talking no huddle, we cant run no huddle the entire game. Perhaps more of a play calling by committee approach outside of the no huddle.
2. There need to be some changes along the o-line. McClure will improve as he gets back into the swing of things, but I am thinking that Sam Baker just is not cut out to play left tackle. We should move Justin Blalock to the outside and swing Sam Backer inside. Potentially also consider giving Joe Hawley a shot at right guard.

I think that if we can address the two items above we will have a chance at the 5-3 record moving into the bye week. This team can get it done.

GO BIRDS!

by AndrewGa1687 on Sep 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

If anyone can right the ship

it’s our FO and MS. I think the panic is unwarranted at this point but it is understandable. The “explosive” word was thrown around repeatedly during the offseason and some play makers were signed. Past arguements about “no playmakers” CANNOT apply any longer. Fans expectations ratchetted up. The start the year has been one of the ugliest under the current administration and that has people worried.

My angst comes from the problems that we’re seeing have existed for two years or more. Again, the “no playmaker” arguement is not a crutch. I am interested to see what happens now.

At the end of the day ATL is ONE game out of the lead in the NFC South with 13 left to go. No need to burn the vilage yet.

by mwalex on Sep 28, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

But you see thats the problem.

The problem is that Atlanta is way too talented to be sitting at 1-2. The problem is that the Offensive Coordinator and Defensive Coordinator are still using plays from 3 years ago and don’t have any new plays. The problem is that we all know that MS is one hell of a coach – but he is slowly loosing the respect of his players and front office just by accepting the plays that he is giving by his coaching staff.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to challenge you on that

How do you know he’s losing the respect of the players and FO?

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm selling that the players don't like him, also.

I’ve heard he’s a players’ coach.

The most I’ve heard is small rumblings of him and MM having issues.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 28, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smith and MM having issues

wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing. I haven’t lost any faith in Smith just yet.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I haven't lost faith in him, either.

But if things don’t turn around soon, I’m going to feel like all these “We will get better” has just been him blowing smoke, and that’s going to bother me.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wasn't trying to imply that you had

Just agreeing with you that I don’t buy the players are losing respect for him.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no

I was just agreeing with you. My fault if I came across that way

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haven't heard this either..

I will agree with you in the sense that if the playcalling duties are not reassigned it is on Mike Smith, but overall I feel that he is still well respected throughout the organization.

by AndrewGa1687 on Sep 28, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Watch how they play each game.

The players love him to death – but now its just like coming to work and going home. There is no excitement and eager to be at practice like it was 3 years ago and thats because there is no change in the game plan.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's easy to see a team play poorly and feel there's no excitement

I’m not saying you’re wrong, just that I haven’t seen it and I’d be hesitant to make that assumption at this point. Just my two cents.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And if its true that MS and MM are having problems

That will also show in how the team plays – especially if the play calling needs to be change or new plays needs to be implemented and MM doesnt want to.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me put it this way

If MS has real problems with MM, I think he’ll be gone. I don’t think we’ll have a big soap opera between the two of them.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Might be a good thing

If Smith gets frustrated with the play calling he might give the reins to Ryan a lot more often, and we’ve all seen how the offense can operate with Ryan calling the plays and making adjustments

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally disagree...

with the FO losing respect for MS!!

Currently MS/TD/AB are inseperable and would take allot more than a 1-2 start to disolve what has become one of the best FO’s this team has ever seen.

Apparently you weren’t around for the days of the Smith’s!!

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's why I dislike the whole "I guess you weren't around during..."

Not picking on you, Blood_Talon, because it happens a lot and for every team. But you never know how long a guy’s been a fan.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know...and I diserved to be singled out for not thinking before typing!!

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe that was a little personal...my bad...

since my birth in 1969. We moved to Atlanta when I was 6 months old and my dad was already a Falcons fan when we lived in Louisville, KY.

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bob Lee was my first QB

How ‘bout you?
/I’m older’n you! :)

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bart...

is the first one I remeber…LOVED that guy!!

When my dad passed I got his collection of Falcons team cards. He has the inagural season all the way to 2004 with only 3 or 4 missing from each year.

I am kind of making it a personal mission to complete all the sets he had. 12 seasons are complete (can’t recall them all off the top of my head right now but the SB year is one of them.

April 1974 - Tug McGraw, when asked if he preferred grass or AstroTurf: "I don't know. I never smoked AstroTurf."

by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

*inaugural

April 1974 - Tug McGraw, when asked if he preferred grass or AstroTurf: "I don't know. I never smoked AstroTurf."

by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm curious

Does he have Jeff Van Note, Billy Whiteshoes Johnson, and Steve Bartkowski?

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

I belive he had all 3 of those men from ALL the years they were with the team…

Heh, now I need to go back and look when I get home. I know he had all the Bartkowski’s as I am a HUGE fan!!

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bart was GREAT!

Hail mary everybody!

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is saying blow it up

But when there are such high expectations and such a lousy start, there is going to be frustration. Also we are still seeing the problems that this team has had for the past few years show up. Anyone who thinks this team needs to start completely over isn’t thinking, but there are problems still here that should have already been addressed and that is just as frustrating as the slow start.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

THIS - and mwalex

Also, for the first time EVER, Falcons fans have expectations of winning – NOT of resuming mediocrity. We’ve had a real taste of success, and we want more!

by GritsBlitz on Sep 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. I've got a question for everyone that will tell the course of the Atlanta Falcons

What do you think will happen to MS, MM, BVG, and all the players if they lost here at the Georgia Dome to the Greenbay Packers again?

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Nothing

At this point we are expected to lose to Green Bay. Lets be realistic here, a win would be great, but its unlikely. I would like to see our team come together and make a game of it.

by AndrewGa1687 on Sep 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on how they lose

competitive loss wouldn’t be that big of a deal to me, a complete collapse… well I think then you will see real panic around here.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fans will howl, the media will wonder

But ultimately, I’ve expected them to lose that game all along. The Packers are a great football team, and they’re going to be very, very hard to beat.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the calming effort, Dave

Some of these guys are getting a little bloodthirsty.
And I think Caleb could use a valium.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thats not a calming effort when you say your team is going to lose a game before it even began!

It’s like saying ‘Why the hell show up?! We’re going to lose anyway! Why bother?

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was referring to the thrust of the main article

But as far as GB goes, Dave’s right. Their a very good team playing much better than the Falcons right now so they should win. That doesn’t mean they will win. The NFL is a crap shoot every week. That’s why Vegas loves it.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah

I get over things pretty quickly, but I wanted to write that last one while I was still mad. I didn’t want to give anyone a pass that didn’t absolutely deserve it, and I would’ve had I waited.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 28, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus, they're hot right now

I keep saying, I’d rather peak at the end of the season. I’d rather lose to them now than the playoffs.

by randomaxe on Sep 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a mighty itchy trigger finger you got there

No major moves will be made anytime soon, IMO. Just who else is out there to replace them right now? It’s very difficult to replace coaches once the season starts.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. So I see how you guys really feel.

So none of you really expect for the Atlanta Falcons to really compete against the Greenbay Packers at all. So most of you feel that the Falcons have already lost this game before it even started?! Don’t you all see what’s happening? We are slowly losing faith in our team. And if we are – then how do you think the players are feeling. I wish this discussion board could be forward to MS right now. This will light a fire under them!

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT reply actions  

I haven't lost any faith

I had the Falcons as an 11-5 team coming into the season and expected them to lose to the Packers. That’s not to say they can’t win, but it will be very difficult, because the Packers are one of the three best teams in the NFL today.

I still believe the Falcons can be an 11-5 football team. They’ll just have to win some games I had them penciled down as losing. Perfectly possible.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

one game I had them penciled in as a lose for was the Colts…very winnable now I feel. I just replace the Bears game with this one in my head.

I felt we would lose one to Tampa Bay, it was just kind of an embarrassing lose!!

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Throw in the towel

Just kidding,, but I’m with ya. First of all, I expect them to win every game. Is that realistic. We see it is not in week 4 sitting 1-2. But I do expect them to compete and be in every game. They have a chance to beat any team in the league. We have the talent for that. If we can’t beat them now, then lets quit because they are more than likely going to be in Conference Championship game and we won’t beat them then either. I agree that it could go either way, but a repeat performance like last years playoff appearance will be dis-heartening.

by Fa1cons on Sep 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you misread us

Nobody’s giving up. It’s called being realistic as things stand AT THE MOMENT. They will improve in the coming weeks and you can come in off the ledge.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Very Optimistic

Just commenting on Grimes post. I expect them to win every game…meaning I have an expectation for them to Win..will they…Who knows? But I don’t chalk it up as a loss. And will will improve and this is a great week to do that against a struggling team.
Went to the game against the Eagles with a friend and he said the same thing. They will probably lose..saying that as to save himself some dissapointment. I just don’t like that thinking…And maybe I did read it wrong, but that’s what I hear.

by Fa1cons on Sep 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Post Dave!

After the Hot Seat post yesterday, I thought Falcoholic was going the way of AJC and ESPN trolls. Thanks for restoring some sanity.

It's all about Process...

by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll defend Caleb again

He was just trying to jumpstart some discussion about the coaching staff. While the hot seat in the title was too heavy, I don’t think he was advocating that we fire the coaching staff now.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

All good now!

The thread blew up quickly yesterday after the post before Caleb could clarify what he meant. Falcoholic is the only place I enjoy discussing with other falcons fans, thanks to all of you guys at Falcoholic.

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by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Caleb's post yesterday

is kinda like that angry letter you write to your ex-gf at 2 in the morning and should tear up before giving it to her. But you don’t.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

It was more of a "Do you think everyone should be on the hot seat now"

not just the usuals.

I didn’t really mean it in a “FIRE EVERYONE”

but more of a “Just how many people should be held responsible for this?”

I actually probably shouldn’t have used “hot seat” in hindsight, because I think people take that term a little more seriously than I do.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. When you use the word hot seat - that usually implies someone is going bye bye

If you don’t believe me – Miami’s head coach is not only on the hot seat – it’s his thrown!

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

As I was watching some of the comments yesterday, I wondered if people automatically thought that you were calling for everyone to be fired. I didn’t think so… but I still think our slow start is mostly their fault… and needs to be corrected. But I wouldn’t think we should fire everyone. I didn’t think you were comparing Mike Smith to Sparano, and neither was I.

by KEScottII on Sep 28, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

A little perspective if I may

OK, so we started the season in almost catastrophic way….right? This is an opportunity to see what we really have.
When Tiger was physically & mentally (divorce) ok, he owned golf; however, he did not win because he hit every shot well, he won because of his tenacity and ability improvise. We need to do the same think, and hope MS takes a good look at this team and helps define who we are. Also, every player must be accountable and feel the heat as it all boils down to accountability.

On the coaching side, I read about this rumor between MS and MM. Is that true? Also, I think people, including me are frustrated by how the team seems to under utilize our weapons. It’s like driving a Ferrari with the parking brake on and not switching from 2nd gear. I think the frustration is seeing the same old issues for 3 years and the status quo.

We have to give credit to this coaching staff, they have done the unthinkable, but we must continue to evolve. By this, I mean that we need to start a new process. It’s not a turnaround anymore, now it’s about beating the crap of other teams. We have the players, the owners and we have the fan base.

So, my initial conclusion is to let the coaches and players deal with adversity, and then we could understand what type of team we have.

by svene on Sep 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I think the O-line is really magnifying the other problems we have

Not that they shouldn’t be fixed, but we would probably be at least 2-1 if not 3-0 if our offensive line wasn’t having such problems.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Some folks forget

how many close games went our way the last coupla years. The breaks don’t always go our way.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

It's not the fact that they are 1-2...

It’s how they have played the games. Too many penalties, terrible punts and kicks, lack of tackling, lack of blocking and lack of concentration. These are coaching problems. No sense of urgency.

If the players weren’t good enough but were going out there and giving 100%, that would be one thing. I can respect that. But that is not the case. We have guys making boneheaded decisions and not doing simple fundamental things like wrapping up on tackles.

I coach youth football and wrapping up on tackles and blocking are the first things we teach. I’m pretty sure these Pro’s have heard it a few times. There is a lack of discipline and that concerns me more than anything.

by BTheMan on Sep 28, 2011 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

They can beat the Greenbay Packers and I'm going to tell you how.

Greenbay hasn’t change their play calling from last year. If you look at their past games – their offense likes to put more people on the line than the opposing defense has. Atlanta should look at this and play man on man coverage. That way, everybody is accounted for. Have Decoud spy Aaron Rodgers and stay in his throwing lane. Decoud will also have to watch when Aaron Rodgers crosses the line of scrimmage because that means he’s a runner. Also – every player HAS TO PLAY DISCIPLINE FOOTBALL! Keep your man covered and don’t think of jumping the route. Greenbay defense plays the same zone defense that Atlanta does – and Greenbay corners dont really like to jump for the ball either. Get Tony Gonzalez, Roddy White, Julio Jones, Harry Douglas, and another WR on the offensive line and have them jump for some passes in the middle and in the right hand corner and Atlanta will come out of the Georgia Dome a winner over another team that won the Super Bowl! Unless everyone forgot about New Orleans.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree but...

they haven’t really needed to change their play calling.

Yes we are lacking discipline and we need to get on track with that kind of quickly (I hope). Every game we play is winnable; they just gotta go out there and take it.

Man coverage would be a better fit for Dunta but BVG plays allot of zone packages.

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

And that is a coaching thing sir.

I’m not a FIRE so and so guy. I think there is blame to share across the board, but the fundamental things, penalties, tackleing…and my biggest is being totally unprepared on the road this season. That starts at the top IMO.

by Fa1cons on Sep 28, 2011 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I know. Makes you wonder who taught me, does't it?

In every game I have predicted what the Atlanta Falcons should do long before the games start and when they have done them – they win. If you can – check my last posts.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

OK. I'll bite

Who?

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just whisper

so only I can hear it.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not to call BS on you or anything

But you’ve only been a member here for 12 days. So where did you post what the Falcons needed to do to beat the Eagles, because that’s the only game they’ve won. So as for all those posts you’ve made long before the games they’ve won, I’m not quite sure what you’re talking about.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Over simplistic version but true...

Fix the Oline, fix the team…

There is no 'u' in awesome, but there is a "me". Deal with it...

by NaGaNole on Sep 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

We don't have the DBs to play man. I trust Robinson in man and that's it....

Grimes needs the zones to but himself in position to make plays. If he’s in trail coverage vs almost every WR in the NFL he loses…

There is no 'u' in awesome, but there is a "me". Deal with it...

by NaGaNole on Sep 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe he loses to fades in the endzone

 but in open field he is as talented as any. Yes he’s short, but we have seen his hops.

by Fa1cons on Sep 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's also the size.

He can’t play bump and run, and he doesn’t have long arms, so his reach is poor. All he can do is tackle a man downfield when in man. He looks great in the underneath zone where he can drift back and position himself for someone in his zone, but in man he is a huge liability…

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by NaGaNole on Sep 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

And now that other teams had figure this out - what do you think they will do or have done?

Brent has played man before and has beaten WR’s in man routes because of his speed! He can outside man too!

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they do play more Man and I agree

Then we need a good pass rush. Can’t give these QB’s that much time or the receivers will lose them.

by Fa1cons on Sep 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

We WILL

Win the superbowl this year! I know some things have to change but guys in both games we lost we had a damn near great game offensively. Our only issue is finding the endzone which Is bound to get corrected. Granted that is due to our Oline which needs to be fixed by either shuffling it up or free agency. But in both games we lost our passing game was pretty good (Matt threw over 300 against the bears and bucs turner had 100 against bears and Julio and Roddy went for about 70 @ bears and over 100 @ bucs) our only issue is finding the endzone which in my opinion is due to the Oline. Guys I believe those are easy problems to be fixed and will be fixed fast. Therefore WE WILL WIN THE SUPERBOWL!!!!

by falcons101 on Sep 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

Somebody

took their happy pill this morning!

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd just for being positive... :)

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bit of a stretch to say we played well on offense

I’ll agree most of the offensive problems can be attributed to the O-line, but there’s a serious problem there.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

To fix the O-line - there needs to be some adjustments

Sam Baker will have to be moved to middle or right line backer. We need somebody else to take up where Harvey Dahl was and need to get Michael Turner involved in more than just running but blocking also in the backfield.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

Blocking good. Sacks bad.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baker moved to line backer?

Do you mean guard? It would be surprising to see Baker moved from LT to a different position other than RT and even that is a stretch.

Baker’s blocking could easily be shored up without moving him. Solutions MUST be simple, effective and realistic.

by mwalex on Sep 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is and he can!

He can’t handle the guys like Trent Coles they put on him because they come off the corner too fast for him. He is more of a power guy. He has tremendous power and can stand up to any power guy – not speed guys. He will get beat everytime when it comes to speed.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baker

Baker handled Trent Cole and Peppers pretty good. Baker gave up one sack to Trent Cole which was because of Blalock getting blown by Mike Patterson. Baker is the least of the OL problem right now. Can he be better? Yes. But the interior of the line is a bigger mess.

It's all about Process...

by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never say never.

Nobody thought we would get Matt Ryan as a first round draft pick either. everybody thought would get Joe Flacco and Darren McFadden

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they were playing pretty well on offense against Chicago

until the interception. Then it all went to shit. And kinda stayed there.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

There were other problems before that

They played into Chicago’s strengths and not into their weakness. Chicago’s weakness is not only Jay Cutler – they also can’t stop the run. Atlanta Falcons abandoned that and if Adam_S had read my whole post – I said that was what the Falcons had to do to when the game, but Atlanta abandoned the run and what end up happening?

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did read your post earlier

you said you had laid out the game plan they followed for every game they had won prior to the games being played. I pointed out you have only been here for 12 days so that doesn’t really make any sense to me.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. I want to know what you think Atlanta should do to beat Green Bay

Or have you already considered that game a lost. I have already post what I think they should do.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

No I haven't already given that game up for a loss

but what the hell does that have to do with what you said earlier? You were talking about all the game plans you’ve posted prior to games and that the falcons won because they followed your game plan. You didn’t say if they followed your game plan for Green Bay that they would win that game.

by Adam_S on Sep 28, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can a brother...

get a viagra…

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fresh out...

could probably get you a popsicle stick and some string…best I can do on short notice.

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plastic stick, plz...

no splinters.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, right...right

good point…lol

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmm...

It seems that we’re playing seven games before the bye, so let’s focus on getting to 4-3. After the bye, we get the Colts. If we bag that win any way we can, we’ll face the Aints at the Dome with a 5-3 record and considerable momentum.

(I thought we’d be 5-2 or 4-3 after the first seven, so I’m not really surprised by where we are right now. I would have picked the Pack, Eagles, and Bucs as potential or likely losses. Maybe I wasn’t fooled by the 13-3 last season?)

by Thrashy Thrashy on Sep 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I have another question for everybody.

Does anybody know why is so important that the Atlanta Falcons beat the Greenbay Packers here at the Georgia Dome?

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

To avenge playoff loss?

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you! That is the answers I've been looking for!

When the Atlanta Falcons beat the Saints last year after they won the SB – The Atlanta Falcons were starting think of themselves not only as playoff contenders but what – a team that can win the SB!

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Recent SB winners always have a target on them.

Definitely a must win in my book. The way we lost to them in the playoffs can not repeat itself. I am looking for us have a winning record coming out of that game. I will get to see it live too. The only game that I have tickets for so far. That is another reason for it to be a must win.

by SmokeyBell on Sep 28, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would suck

to spend all that money just to see a loss.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should be doing more bitching on here

 I loaded up on Falcons for my Fantasy teams because of the “explosiveness” meme.
So far, the only thing that’s been explosive is me.

"Football has never been just a game to me. Never."
Paul William Bryant

by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

The one thing I wish is for the Atlanta Falcons organization would see these post.

If they knew how we the fans feel right now then maybe they can make some changes.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes

Before the start of the season. During the season Practices are not open to Public.

It's all about Process...

by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 28, 2011 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

You missed the whole point of this discussion

What everyone is saying the reason they are 1-2 instead of 3-0 was that they have the right talent but the play calling is from 3 years ago and when other teams sees this – it makes it harder for the Falcons to when – including winning against teams they are supposed to beat in their sleep with the talent we have on roster.

by Antonio Grimes on Sep 28, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's what the discussion has become, yes

But that wasn’t really the point of my original post.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

That said, I don't disagree with what you're saying here

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks tom, good to see you in the comments

And thanks to everyone for the discussion that sprang out of this post, too. Enjoyed reading it.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who

the f**k is Bob Berry?
And just how OLD are you? :)

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paul W. Bryant

frowns on such impertinence.

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by mr.peabody on Sep 28, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's Tom Slick!

Hope to see you around here more often!

Great points. I see things another way, the Falcons way if you will. Things will ultimately come falling down and we’ll be left saying, “This is what you get for being a Falcons fan.”

I’m hoping this team can recover, but the players have to realise that if they lose to Seattle they’re effectively 1-4 (lose to GB the following week too) and I don’t see us coming back from that.

We need a short turn-around and a kick up the backside. Let’s hope things even out and we can finally start putting some wins together!

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by Grayson on Sep 28, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

What kind of fans freak out!?!?

We do! The kind of fans completely incapable of figuring out this feeling. What is it called again? Pride? No, tho that one is confusing too. Love? No, we all love our team. We’d have to considering what we’ve gotten in return. Expectations? That’s the one. I for one, thru most of my sentence as a Falcon fan(Since the Bartkowski glory days)expected nothing. 6-10 was a godsend. 4-12 was a “eh, what are u gonna do” year. We expected something this year, something most of us havent done since 1998. Sure it’s early, very early but when your team has looked this bad, of course the ghosts of just about every year we have existed will show their ugly faces. We may freak out but after a few thousand venting posts, we will still be here. Back to back 4-12 seasons couldn’t scare me away! This won’t either.

by aces666high on Sep 28, 2011 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is Off-Topic

buuuut… Dave, are we doing an Ask The Falcoholic thread on FieldGulls this week?

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 28, 2011 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

OH CRAP!

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, I'm on it

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by Dave Choate on Sep 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd Rec'd a thousand times Rec'd

Green Bay had some real stinkers last year. Like losing 7-3 to the Lions. I don’t think we can write the book on this season til it’s actually over. We as fans just need to learn to enjoy each game we win and forget the games we lose, and hope we do a lot more enjoying than forgetting.

by orion12 on Sep 28, 2011 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Rodgers was hurt in that game.

For at least a half, if I recall correctly.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 28, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd, of course

I look at it like this: If people are surprised at your lack of success, you’re probably doing something right.

This franchise has already turned a corner, employing a front office and head coach that have given us every reason to expect excellence. Our reactions to each loss are based on the fact that we now expect to win – and it’s a nice feeling.

by The DW on Sep 28, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Great post Dave, but...

One of my biggest problems is that it’s not even fun to watch the Falcons anymore. They’re already a boringly efficient team that just plugs away and wins, but now we’re reduced to them just being a boring team with poor play, penalties and no scoring. That Tampa game was a pure snoozer. I remember how up and down those Glanville days were with the Red Gun, but I also remember enjoying an offense that went up and down the field, and prime time creating excitement with his kick returns and occasional pick-6’s. I’ve found myself watching those damn Saints and realizing just how enjoying football can be, even with defenses play like crap. There’s just not much to “enjoy” about these Falcons, which is sad.

by sifu on Sep 28, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I can’t believe that people are talking about Mike Smith being on the hot seat, dude has done a lot for this organisation, more than any other coach in the history of the Falcons.

While I’m not happy with the way Smith has been coaching recently I still trust in him to deliver.

Aside from Smith and more directly related to the team, I think the PLAYERS are to blame. I guess this is coming from lockout syndrome, but at the end of the day the players are the ones doing the actions. It took them a solid 3 and a half quarters of football before our offense decided to kick it into gear. I get the sense that a lot of the players feel like the season is going to be gift-wrapped to them with a neat little bow.

Until they start WANTING to win then the results will continue to fall at the way-side, good coaching or not.

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by Grayson on Sep 28, 2011 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep, it's the players fault

that Baker isn’t getting TE support. Yep it’s their fault that the DB are being directed to play a soft zone every down. It’s also their fault that there are no draws or screens being called to help against the pass rush (guess Ryan is a little bit of a masochist in that respect). It’s also their fault that they are still running zone blitzes. I guess they’re also calling to abandon the run if they get behind by a TD. Probably their fault that the play prevent defense after going up on PHI by 11 points.

Oh yeah, it’s definately the playes fault. Unbelieveable.

by mwalex on Sep 28, 2011 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess you think that the coaches are the one's playing then?

The coaches (particularly Murlakey and BVG like you said) are to blame, they have to be, their scheme’s are sucking. But the players aren’t performing worth a lick. There’s talent there, but they’re not getting it done.

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by Grayson on Sep 29, 2011 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Discipline

No doubt, this team is stocked with talent – it IS the coaches responsibility to make the most of it. If players aren’t performing up to their ability, it is on the coaches to make that happen.

So while the players may indeed be playing poorly, it is on the coaches to help them get that corrected.

by The DW on Sep 29, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another unbelieveable comment

the coaches are the one's playing then? How is that EVER relevant? NO coaches EVER play. I guess that isn’t obvious. It doesn’t matter how great players are, how hard they play and how motivated they are a bad scheme is a bad scheme and will fail. Do you honestly think that bad O and D schemes will win against teams like GB and NO? Unbelieveable again.

by mwalex on Sep 29, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea but you're weighing it solely on the coaches like the players have no responsibility at all

As well what’s the deal with you’re analysis of my comments? All I’m saying is that the players need to step it up. If you think that they derserve NO blame then unfortunately you’re the ignorant fool. I’ve cited TIME AND TIME AGAIN that the coaches ARE TO BLAME (guess I should bold that) but that the players have also been underperforming.

I don’t see why you think my comments are so ridiculous. There’s a lot worse out there, yet you pick mine out because it doesn’t fit in line with your, “coaches are the one’s causing all our problems.”

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by Grayson on Sep 29, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I picked your statement

because I don’t know how anyone that has watched the team could make such a statement. The players don’t set up the schemes. Have you taken time to think that the underperformance, as you call it, might be due to the fact the the horrific schemes have limited the players ability to perform? Or is that yet another impossibility?

by mwalex on Sep 29, 2011 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course not and I do blame the scheme

A question for you, do you think the players share any blame when it comes to these losses? Not a condescending question, I genuinely want to know where you stand when it comes to players taking the blame.

I think Mike Murlakey at this point in time has absolutely no idea where he’s going in terms of his play calling, he used to run the ball and try and call plays that would chew up time now he doesn’t know what to do. BVG has players standing off 8 yards and sends a linebacker on a blitz then puts our best pass rusher John Abraham in a zone coverage. Unless I’m mistaken, John Abraham isn’t the best at pass defense and can’t cover, say a Kellen Winslow.

I never said that the players set up the scheme, I just think the players need to gather a sense of urgency and make our crappy system work, or at least make it look workable.

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by Grayson on Sep 30, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Re: Hot Seat

what do you expect? might be unfair, but Atlanta just got clobbered with deep disappointment this whole month due to the lolbraves. sometimes, people just want heads to roll, unfair as that might be.

Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.

by walknbalk on Sep 29, 2011 2:51 AM EDT reply actions  

So lets talk the real problems

I haven’t heard much about MS vs MM so can someone fill me in there please? The first finger if we have to point is the O Line. That’s obvious. We’re too talented to think anywhere else. IMO we should be a pass first team. Remember those pesky Cardinals of 2008? They had Edgerrin James a legend in Indy. He was kept fresh throughout the year and boom they shot us down in the first round. Everyone thought that Edge was done then they go out and play their hearts out in the Superbowl. How do you fix an O Line that can’t block right now. You throw quick short passes. I don’t care if we’re labelled as checkdown teams. We have a four receiver set that features Roddy who caught a screen pass for a TD against the Bears. Pass first teams have won the Superbowl in the last what four or five years? I’m not here to blow up the team I think we have an incredible squad but who cares if you don’t win the last game of the season?

by SquallCloud on Sep 29, 2011 4:51 AM EDT reply actions  

I see it both ways...

Dave…great post as usual, you’re right on target about taking both the historical perspective of the team as well as the long view. This is by far the best mix of talent and Front Office support we’ve ever had.

Someone mentioned however, that playcalling schemes need to evolve, and I don’t think ours have yet. That is the problem. Other teams’ defenses have evolved to match our offense…but our offense hasn’t evolved to stay one step ahead of them. Seems to be a trend.

Example: remember when the Vick first burst on the scene and was unstopable? He was, until defenses finally figured out his patterns and placed a fast “spy” on the left hashmark. It effectively neutralized him, until a new OC (Philly) taught him new plays.

Our play calling is so outdated, I can pretty much figure out what we’re going to run (up the middle) from my living room…imagine what the professionals on other teams can figure out! As much as I like and appreciate the coaching staff, that part lies squarely with them…

-till Sunday in Seattle…

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