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Falcons-Bucs Recap: This "Team" Is A Disgrace

Not entirely sure there weren't 5 of these dudes playing on our O-line yesterday.

Once again, this team has gotten our hopes up, only to let us down. As seems to be the norm around these parts.

That's all I'm saying before the jump. 1000+ words of team roast comes afterwards. Jump with me.

Star-divide

If the title is any indication, I'm pissed, as I'm sure many of you are.

I sincerely hope every single member of that football team from Arthur Blank down to the person that spit shines Matt Ryan's shoes is embarrassed to call themselves a Falcon.

For months since April, all we have heard is explosive this, explosive that, yet our offense could be more akin to an M-80 than a stick of dynamite.

Listen, I want this team to be successful more than anything, but for all the wins we've accrued in the past three years, this is supposed to be the year where we look like we're worth a crap, and you know what? We have been worth a crap. A literal, flaming, stinky pile of crap. I thought we could use the Eagles game as a jumping point to get the real Falcons going, but to this point, I don't even know what Falcons football is anymore. If this is Falcons football, I don't want to know how this season is going to end up. We could very well lose to Cam Newton and the Panthers.

As infuriated as I am over the total lack of brain matter used by the defense on the 4th and 1 (has a team ever lost a game to being drawn offsides at the end of a game before now?) you can't blame them for the loss. They held a Bucs offense to just 16 points and caused turnovers when they were needed.

That said, they were still freaking terrible. I don't care if LG (not going to try to spell it) Blount is the size of Jared Lorenzen, you're all damn professional football players. There should not be a single running back who can single-handedly out-man one of your LBs. Now when he runs through 5 or 6 of you? That's just sorry. Sorry, and certainly not something you'd expect out of a good defense, and we've been witnessing it for the better part of....a long time.

And how.....HOW?! can you get drawn offsides at the end of the game like that? Freeman was trying to quiet the crowd down. Want to guess why? That's right! SO YOU'D HEAR HIS SNAP COUNT.

Every single fan, I don't care how optimistic you are, should be disappointed at the very least in this team. We really, honestly believed we'd get to see some fireworks from the "much improved" offense this year, and the only person that has seen fireworks has been Matt Ryan because he's been hit so many times. Heck, his brain's probably broken by now, with all the pinballing it's done in his head.

Freak me sideways, I'm mad. Here we go:

The Less Bad:

Everyone on the offense under 265 pounds except for Turner, you get a small sliver of a pass. I'm including Gonzo in the pass.

Matt Bryant, you're the only Falcon who isn't in preseason mode still. Bless you.

The defense, for most of the game, you were pretty solid, except for, you know, most of the time, when you gave up easy first downs to Mike Williams.

The Bad:

Nothing goes here, you know why? Because nothing deserves to be in this category, because most of it belongs in...

The Extra Bad:

Half of Matt Ryan's passes. I know it's a whole different animal when you're on the field, but you had some people open that you decided not to look at. You'll quickly become lost in the "Great QB" conversation if you keep this up.

Roddy White's Hands that one time: Say what you want, but I think that cost us the game. Our All-Pro WR dropped such an easy, open TD, that we deserved to lose if only because of that.

Our luck: Seriously, was anyone thinking we'd win after that stupid tipped into another receiver's hands crap that TB pulled? (I was, for a brief period, if that helps) That reminded me of The Helmet Catch, where a crucial moment in the game is decided by a ludicrous play.

For all of the free passes I gave our receivers, where the heck were you most of the game? I've watched so many NFL games already this year, and  I swear all the good teams find ways to get their receivers wide the freak open on 3rd and long, but we seem to rely on "How can I make my fans' hearts attack this time" plays, which don't cut it. Maybe that's just because our D likes to give up 3rd and long plays.

The offensive game plan: For as good as it was last week, we sure didn't know what to do this week. And boy, that D of theirs thought they were the absolute shiz, too. They should be thankful we played like a high school team.

Matt Bosher: Get this kid out of here. I don't care how many touchbacks he had, his punting is horrendous. I don't even know who we'd bring in, but this is just sad. And to think, we drafted him. I bet he feels like an idiot, now. Draft pick playing his butt off to make the team, only to look like a total pail of suck once he made the actual team.

And that's all for now.

Wait, no it's not, I forgot one very important detail.

The Ultimate Suckwagon Failure McFailwagon Bucket of Ultimate Fail Bad:

Offensive line, I don't know how much booze you consumed this week, but for the love of the word love, you were so abysmally terrible. The lot of you aren't new to this league, and you let a bunch of young pups beat you down. They embarrassed you, and what's better, our pass rush hardly got to their QB, and our rush is supposed to be good! Just imagine how dumb you should feel for being Swiss Fail Cheese to a pass rush whose average age is like 14 and is fresh out of college. Embarrassed yet? You should be. You were disgraceful, and your superstar QB you're paid to "protect" is going to be murdered and the 5 of you will be the ones going to trial for negligence.

Paul Boudreau is one of the best OL coaches in the business (or so they say) and if you guys are still failing despite his coaching, you must be freaking terrible. And before anyone says anything, if I was 6'7" 320, my ass would be in Flower Branch tomorrow waiting for a job interview.

Alright, I'm done roasting the team. I think 1100 words of roast is enough for now.

One thing that makes being a fan so difficult is how truly helpless we are. We're at the mercy of other peoples' decisions and, in some cases, believe we can do better ourselves. Unfortunately, there's not a single thing any of us can do, so we're still watching sometimes-inferior football, despite believing the team should be better than that in every way, but ultimately proves some of the most negative of us right in that we just can't seem to play like a legitimate team. And that might hurt the most. We want this team to be good. We want this team to show the whole world that we belong, but through 3 games, we've shown we belong in a truly miserable place.

Our single win may not have even occurred had Vick's head not exploded, so really, we're close to being 4th in our division. We're tied with the Panthers right now. A 13 team a year ago tied with a 2 win team from a year ago. We have every reason to be upset. Next week will be the quarter-mark of the season, and while I certainly expect us to beat the Seahawks, this team hasn't shown me anything that would suggest we can win an away game against even an average team. We tend to always win at home, but there are only 8 home games in the season, and 8-8 won't get us into the playoffs. Too bad we're not still in the NFCW.

Don't get me wrong, for all the angry roasting I've done, I really, truly hope this team gets its act together and starts playing like they care, but until this team goes out and proves to me that they can play like a championship team against a championship caliber opponent, I'm not going to believe they can do it. I've had my hopes dashed one too many times by sorry performances from a team I've come to expect good things from. Veterans like Abe and Gonzalez deserve better, and in Gonzo's case, his intentions for coming here could go completely unfulfilled, and that, my friends, would be a real disgrace.

Alright, I'm done. 1,500 words of mad. I don't think I'll ever be this mad at this team ever again, so consider this a milestone in my life.

In any case, the rest of my usual recap.

MVP: Matt Bryant, All-Universe Kicker. You're the man.

Image of the Game: My brain doing this for most of the game: This, rather. I can't help but laugh at that picture.

In A Word: Failure.

Next week, the Seahawks. We'd better win by 65.

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by Turner_The_Burner on Sep 26, 2011 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

No words

I would be beating my head against the wall to describe my feelings game after game…OC and DC need to make changes during game play and not execute the same plays for every team.

Coaching wins championships!

by Edgecrusher211 on Sep 26, 2011 12:12 PM EDT reply actions  

It seem to me,We don’t ever ajust to opponents during game. Until Matt starts to run the no huddle.

by Grey Rider on Sep 26, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Biting my tongue

for most of the game. I had to go outside (showing respect for my wife and kids ears) when they jumped offsides. I’ve been watching the Falcons since 1979, so I’ve seen a lot of BS plays from this team. This takes me back to a cold, dark place that I’d rather not return to.

by BlueFender on Sep 26, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

thx

4 saving me the time of typing all this out in the comment section! That is all

Been a falcons fan since the big starter jackets was in style

by turnj35 on Sep 26, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Will the real Falcons please stand up?

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Sep 26, 2011 12:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I believe ALL the problems on this team can be attributed to the O-Line

Our running game? O-Line – Turner is still stout

Our passing game? O-Line – Matt Ryan IS Elite – look at how well he shreds defenses in the 4th quarter when he gets just a little protection

Even Tom Brady throws 4 interceptions without protection (Go Bills! – gotta love the underdog). Why does everybody think Jay Cutler isn’t a good QB? No protection – he seemed to do just fine in Denver.

All the problems to our would be explosive offense can be attributed to the O-Line.

Our defense did what they had to do against an overrated offense. I find no fault in how they played. It was unfortunate that they jumped offsides but that is not why we lost the game.

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed. I really doubt that Harvey Dahl is the reason the O-line has turned from one of the best in the league into one of the worst, but something has changed.

by alxn on Sep 26, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping this is just a result of McClure just coming back

this is Todd McClure’s first game of the season and it sure looked like it – hopefully things straighten out.

I think it might have something to do with scheming also – the fact that we are pitting our LT one on one and not giving him help sure isn’t helping either. Why don’t we work like the Patriots and use 6 or 7 to protect Matt nearly EVERY play? Use our FB as a blocker, or a TE, or our RB? Double team the elite pass rushers.

Give Matt more time in the pocket and 1 less check-down receiver (who would be a blocker) and I bet this offense improves dramatically.

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Ryan deserves some of the blame as well, because he has been really frenetic in the pocket and seems to be feeling the sacks before they happen. I’m sure a lot of that is just a reaction to being hit as much as he has though.

by alxn on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you beat and abuse a dog too much...

he will piss on the floor every time you so much as yell his name.

Matty “Crushed” Ice has been beatin too much this year.

Dont cloud the issue with facts!

by muuzilla on Sep 27, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our O-line was never one of the best in the league.

That’s why they couldn’t afford to regress, as they have.

by RamblininAlb on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most expert rankings had it in the top 10, with some even if the top 5. Football outsiders had it as the 8th best line in the league last year.

by alxn on Sep 26, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

OC

I don’t care what team you are…You can’t give up your future for Julio Jones, step back and say, “Yeah! We’re more explosive!” and still run the same plays you did last year lol. A good OC would make changes to open up the offense. The no huddle isn’t exactly what I would call, “Explosive.” Use Quizz Rodgers on more screen passes, Run more 3 receiver sets, throw the ball down field. Mularkey is not getting the job done. I like all of you can call the falcons plays from my sofa. They need to do a better job, or find someone that can.

Coaching wins championships!

by Edgecrusher211 on Sep 26, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm still okay with the julio jones trade

Our offense has the talent to mask the pourous defense
Look at the New Orleans Houston game.
The Saints get gashed for 33 points and should have gave up more but Drew Brees’ offense masks that problem.
We have similiar talent
And actually a less worse defense.
But we underperform on both sides.

by brotherbrown on Sep 26, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lets be real

Were probably not gonna win the Super Bowl, and as gooh as the NFC is this year, maybe not the playoffs. But, we still have 7 easy games left (@SEA, CAR, TEN, MIN, JAX, CAR, IND). While nothings a gimmie, these are all extremely winnable. I also think we beat the bucs at home, beat the lions or texans, lose to the other, and split with the saints….that’s 11-5. It’s early, and suprisingly, I’m not worried at all. Except for Mattys health.

by dirtybirds233 on Sep 26, 2011 12:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't see why we can't win the SB

it is not even a quarter of the way through the season and everyone is throwing this team to the dogs. We changed our identity by going out and getting Julio Jones and bringing in a little speed back like Rodgers so of course there are going to be some growing pains.

This was McClure’s first game of the season. Give this O-Line a little time to gel and the coaching staff a little time to figure out that we need 6 or 7 blockers so Matt can have some time to chop apart defenses and this team will be alright.

I bet they start to look solid BEFORE the bye week and if that is the case, we could see a run like the Falcons haven’t seen in a long time.

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

oops

Not sure if I accidentally flagged you or not, but I was scrolling my mouse and It clicked on the actions linked and now says Flag. Not sure to be honest with you.
I do agree with your 11-5 assessment though. When I looked at our schedule, thats what I saw. That starts with hopefully getting an impressive win over a sorry seattle team. If that game is close, that will be dissapointing as well.

by Fa1cons on Sep 26, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll drink to Matt’s health!

by Grey Rider on Sep 26, 2011 9:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To somewhat quote Homer J. Simpson

“We are the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.”
Now, if you’ll excuse me, my weiner kids are listening.

by aces666high on Sep 26, 2011 12:59 PM EDT reply actions  

that would be funny

if I dude named “John Q” Weiner had children with his last name.

by brotherbrown on Sep 26, 2011 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dayem.

Caleb, please write a rant for the Braves McSuckagefest too!! That was awesome.

Braves.
Falcons.
Gamecocks.

by walknbalk on Sep 26, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

I need to

but thankfully, the Sox have it worse than us.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Starts with leadership

The entire coaching staff is soft and incompetent. If Blank really wants to win he’ll make a change, it doesn’t matter what players you put on the field if your coaches aren’t doing their jobs consistently or not at all. It’s just too much talent on this team to keep blaming the players.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Holy overreaction

Its week three fellas.

For one, the Bucs and Falcons have played really close games since Freeman arrived. We were bound to lose one sooner or later.

Two, if not for some mental errors that frankly do not happen (Roddy White’s drops & the 4th down jump) we win this game. I have complete confidence that we go down the field and win the game should Peters not jump. The fact that we lost this game completely on mental errors makes me feel good; it will make the team and its leaders step back from the headlines and realize the games are played on the field and not in the newspapers or the blogs.

Three, the annual NFC West game couldn’t come at a better time. If we lose to seattle then i’ll be mashing the panic button, but not now.

The only thing that concerns me is the offensive line. Turner had a couple of good games before today though it may not seem like it. The o-line is a disaster and I fear for matt ryan’s cranium but again, the NFC West shows its face at the perfect time. Let’s watch these next two weeks unfold before we make any melodramatic judgments.

by VT89 on Sep 26, 2011 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah, keep saying that until you believe it

“it’s just the pre-season fellas”

“it’ just week one fellas”

“it’s just week two fellas”

“it’s just week three fellas”

……….all the way to week 16.

It’s time to open your eyes.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, shut up.

Atlanta fans really are the worst.

Look, we got a brutal three game stretch to open the season. The Chicago game was ugly, no excuses. We won a pretty tough Philly game at home in primetime with Mr. Vick returning and all that jazz, and we lost by three points to a really good team in Tampa. You lose close games just like you win em; with a play or two. We missed on those plays with mental errors; i.e. correctable. Despite all the problems with the o-line and turner not doing anything, the defense showed up until the fourth down stop. Sometimes you get defensive battles. Would you feel better had we lost 45-42 with Ryan throwing for 500 yards and 5 TDs, while the defense gets torched?

We lost a close one on the road to a good team. Its not the end of the world.

by VT89 on Sep 26, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

People have to stop making excuses at some point

the “mental errors” have been haunting this team for way too long, and they are the same errors. They are fixable, you are right, but when and what changes will be needed to fix them?

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

You are right in one aspect
Its not the end of the world.

However, I disagree with several of your points. We won a pretty tough Philly game at home, but the way we played, we deserved to lose. I’m not going through any of the what-if scenarios because they don’t matter, but in reality, this team is a play or two away from being 0-3. Against Tampa, our defense gives up 16 points. When your All-Pro WR is touting the offense as the next “Greatest Show on Turf” and you only score thirteen points, your All-Pro WR looks like a fool, especially when he is guilty of dropping almost a sure TD. You are right that we were in this game until the end, but it was clearly in spite of the the production of the offense, which was supposed to be our strength. Our team seems to have lost one of its greatest strengths from last year, mental toughness. Until we truly are mentally tough, this team that is easily talented enough to win a Super Bowl will be struggling to make the playoffs.

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Sep 26, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure.

It’s so much better that the deconstruction of the ego happens in week three rather than week 18 or 19. In the long run I think this loss will be good for the team by serving as a wake up call of sorts for the guys like Roddy White and Michael Turner who have been less than superb so far.

by VT89 on Sep 26, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

I thought the Chicago games was the wake up call they needed….

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do only the players need a wake up call!!??

Where is the same inference for the coaches? How can great players perform in mediocre schemes?

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

We’re probably supposed 0-3. If we don’t blow the Seahawks out I’m going to be sick.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sick already, and that's after going 1-2

No telling what could happen when teams like GB and NO start lining up to play us. If the players haven’t had their proverbial “wake up call” yet, especially after pathetic performances each week, a drastic change might be the best option for the team going forward.

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Sep 26, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's a little advice

Open your eyes now, so you won’t be blindsided later on in the season.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you like over exaggerating disappointment...

so you can act more excited when you are wrong later.

I’m just saying that I am not worried about this team yet and there are going to be people on both sides of the fence, I get that.

But why are we biting eachother’s heads off here because one person is still optimistic and the next person is still pessimistic?

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Calm down

Nobody’s “biting each other’s heads off”, just a simple disagreement. I can’t tell if you’re trying to stir up trouble or trying way too hard to get your comment “rec’d”…….

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he’s just trying to make his point the same way you are.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hold on, now and chill out

There is obviously some misinterpretation of tone here – a common problem with the internet

no need to turn to insults or accuse people of “trying to get their posts rec’d”

Dude – you’ve been on this site for like 2 weeks. Why are you trying to stir stuff up? Grow up, man

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is a community

and welcome to it – you know… people take up for eachother when a n00b troll type infests its way through and starts attacking some of the people who have been here for a while

I’m not calling you a troll – but you are acting really immature

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing...

I’ve been on here before under a different(similar) username, I forgot my password to this site and to the email I registered with so I vowed to create another account when the season started…….well, here I am.

Don’t hit me with the “this is a community/ brotherhood” crap or try to school on anything because I know damn well how things work on here. Don’t get upset with me when I respond to the comment you made in response to me, you know, the crazy “biting each other’s heads off” comment.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

we could argue all day and get nowhere

or we could just get back to football

I’m sorry that my “biting each other’s heads off” comment came off as offensive. That was not my intention

know what you believe in and why you believe in it

by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing

but apology accepted and likewise I apologize to you……

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And everything ends happily

The end.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 26, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

see, Dave...

We didn’t even need you this time :)

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

A big rant

a big vapid rant. I sure thought you were going in a different direction based on your comments in the other thread and boy was I wrong.

Going off on the off sides call is laughable. If ATL’s explosive offense had converted anything in the game the D would not have been put into that position. Peters was trying his best too make a play to get the ball back to the O. Don’t you think they knew that was the game? The O put the D, and Peter’s, in that position. Dwelling on that call is misplacing the blame for what happend during the game.

Roddy dropped a pass, so what. No WR has a catch rate of 100%. Oh but he drops them at the most inopportune times!
If ATL had taken care of business offensively during the FIRST half of the game that drop would have been a moot point.

The D and Ryan/MT/and the WR’s are being out into loosing situations because of one thing, the O line. Whose fault is that I might ask? It starts with MM. The blocking schemes being used are juvenille and aren’t working but ATL is still using them. No plays, such as draws and screens, are being called to counter act pass rushes. Why not run the no huddle all game long? That will help against the pass rush.

Now for the heresy, while I have roasted MM for a long time it now sits squarely on the shoulders of Mike Smith. If no changes are made at this point then it’s all him.

For the peoples that say “it’s only week three” here’s something to think about – the problems that we’re seeing right now have been around since the new coaching staff was hired. They’re worse now because our schedule is much tougher this year and we, as fans, have higher expectations. The excuses about a lack of playmakers on O and D just doesn’t work now. Not amount of talent can make up for bad coaching.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That drop was absolutely atrocius and inexcusable.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree on that point...

kinda hard to say it was “okay”

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is not the point

while it shouldn’t have happened it, in the grand scheme of the ENTIRE game, it did not cost ATL the game.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's also BS

to dump the loss on two guys, RW for the drop and CP for the off sides. What it boils down to is that ATL did not take care of business against TB.

I NEVER said the drop was “okay”, please don’t make that inference. I explained my comment very directly.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Right

That drop didn’t lose the game and the offsides didn’t lose the game, we had our chances in the other three quarters. You never put the blame on a single player in a team sport.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 26, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who did that?

I’ll absolutely pin those four points squarely on Roddy though. I have absolutely no faith that our defense would have prevented a game winning score though.

'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban

by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peters deserves to be criticized

No he didn’t lose the game on that one play, but when you are the DT, when you are lined up directly over the freaking ball, when you know that all they are trying to do is draw you offsides, actually jumping offsides is inexcusable. Again, no they did not lose solely because of that one play, but that play deserves criticism because it ended the game.

That being said, you are absoultely correct, the offense was horrible for the vast majority of the game and most of the blame goes on them.

by Adam_S on Sep 26, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

if you're going to say

“no he didn’t lose the game on that play” you shouldn’t criticize him in the next sentence

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Sep 26, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was in a bad spot

Since Tampa could convert 4-1, 3-1 with a Josh Freeman sneak on our defense 9 out of 10 times. I know it’s bad, but if they weren’t aggressive, then there’s no chance they stop that conversion.

by TheAreopagite on Sep 27, 2011 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

He went something like 10 weeks without dropping one last year.

That drop, as open as he was, is absolutely inexcusable.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can you tell me ONE WR

that had a 100% catch rate? Ever? Each and every WR drops passes. If that drop cost ATL the game against a team that didn’t look good doing the first two games then ATL didn’t deserve to win.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right

but when you’re put in a position like that, a routine pitch-and-catch, that catch must be made. It’s not like he was in triple coverage and took a missile right to his chest and didn’t hang on to the ball.

It’s not about catch rate, it’s about doing your job. As a receiver, your job is to catch the ball. If the play has you wide open on the 5 yard line with no one around you, there is no excuse to drop it. The offense put itself in a position to win, and after that drop, pretty sure we either didn’t get any points out of it or just got a field goal (don’t remember.) but in either case, we would’ve taken the lead.

I wouldn’t care if the receiver had a 1% catch rate. If he’s on the team and he’s that open, he’d better catch the ball.

Yeah, the OL was a big reason why we didn’t hang a bunch of points on the board, but because the O was in position to take the lead and Roddy dropped the easiest pass known to man, that’s a big part of why we lost.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are you serious?

Catch rate is part of the WR’s job, how is that not apparent? A 1% catch rate as an example? That is ridiculous. It’s equally ridiculous to throw Roddy under the bus. If the offense had executed on the numerous number of plays and opportunities they had earlier in the game, again, the drop would have been a moot point.

Caleb, yet again, you focus on something other than the real issue. It wasn’t Roddy dropping a pass or CP jumping offsides. It’s all about a terrible offensive scheme that hasn’t worked consistently or efficiently for two years. Pure and simple. I am amazed that you have yet to point the finger at MM.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catch rate is a statistic.

And while it has plenty to do with how much a WR catches the ball, I guarantee you a WR is thinking “My catch rate is 75%. There’s a 25% chance I’m going to drop this pass!”

Roddy drops the pass. “Oh darn, Football Vishnu rolled an 18 on my Catch Rate Dice, therefore I inexplicably dropped the ball even though I was wide open!”

While it wasn’t solely Roddy dropping the pass, it was still a massive swing in the game. A win is a win is a win, right? Or would you rather lose but look statistically superior?

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

is not thinking, rather.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

this
would you rather lose but look statistically superior?

Cam Newton anybody?

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay guys

before things and comments get stupid, and Caleb you are going down a bad path, let’s get this back on track. How you can misunderstand what I said is beyond me but I’ll try again.

A win is a win for God’s sake Caleb. The crappy O and MM should never have put Roddy or the D in the positions they were in yesterday. Did Roddy drop a pass, yes, no excuses, but the O had many, many opportunities to score in the first three quarters of that game. If you don’t get that then there is nothing I can say to help you get it.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

the Offense built on timing

when they have to improvise and have Matt Ryan running around like a cat in a chicken coop because he can’t get any protection you cannot expect anything on the offense to gel. Roddy White and Matt Ryan have developed a chemistry from timing routes – not from, “you run around over there and I’ll run around over here – watch for the ball, it will be around you somewhere”

I agree it is hard to see a good WR drop passes but what can you expect on a broken play?

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

also - I agree

this football game was not lost because of one or two bad plays or missteps

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh I've understood every single thing you've ever said to me.

Whether I react to it in the way you desire or not is another thing altogether.

In any case, if you get caught up in all the failed chances, you won’t get anywhere. The fact of the matter is, there was a single pass, to a wide open receiver, who would’ve scored had he done the thing he does all the time.

It didn’t happen.

Everyone has a different view on it. I do not share the same view as you. You may single out people like Mike Mularkey, or whoever, and I may single out someone else. Does that make me wrong? Not necessarily, but mob mentality may make me out to look like the dummy.

Look, I want this team to win more than anything. Naturally, I care about the health and safety of all the players, but if we win because Matt Ryan throws for -53 yards and Quizz has 57 carries for 450 yards, then I will take it. You might say “MM is an idiot. His schemes are terrible.” but forgive me if I look at it and say “Wow Matt was off, but the OL sure did block well for Quizz!”

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not the mob mentality that will make you

 look like a dummy Caleb. Also, I don’t care how you respond to my comments nor do I care if you agree with me. I point the finger at where the root of the problem lies. The ultimate cause of a systems failure, which is what we have right now, are the coaches. Sugar coat it, deny it or whatever you want to call I just don’t care at this point.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Roddy dropped an easy pass.

The easiest pass, really. A pass that Roddy could have caught when he was 12 years old. As Caleb said, this wasn’t a skinny post where the QB fired it into a tight window while Roddy was running full speed. This was a backyard football play, a mental lapse, and there’s absolutely no excuse for it. Bet Roddy would say the same thing.

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It showed him on the sideline after the O left the field.

He was visibly upset, as he should be.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Reminded me of the NO game when Vick flipped off the crowd.

Roddy dropped a similarly easy one late that day that would have also been a TD.

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but with Vick throwing back then

his touch passes used to come in at 200 mph.

You know, some receivers hate left handed QBs because of the way the ball spins. How weird is that?

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

You must not remember that play.

It was about a 40 yarder that landed on the 10 yard line near the sideline. Somebody had blown a coverage so Roddy was all alone. Vick floated it up a little short to be safe, and Roddy was standing there like he was waiting for a punt. Went right through the bread basket. He was a rookie then, though.

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No one is debating that, please move on

I am saying that dumping the blame on Roddy for the loss is off base.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow wow wow

a loss this bad sure can stir up the emotions on this board. I see you, mwalex, and Caleb are arguing about what came first – chicken or the egg. is it Roddy and Peters to blame, or Mularkey and Smith?
I personally came to very similar conclusions, mwalex – and that’s why rec’d your comment. I feel the problems with this team – the bigger ones – are systemic. and while players are humans too, a systemic problem indicates shortcomings of coaching. add to that complacency of some players and perhaps the effects of shorter offseason – and you get a 1-2 record that feels more like 0-3.
in every game you get a play or two which can go either way and have a direct effect on the outcome. in the Philly game Maclin dropped an easy 4 down pass. I’m sure the Eagles fans were biting their elbows and saying that drop determined the outcome. if every time there’s a different players on the wrong end of the play, we say it’s coincidence. if the same person is caught twice – we say it’s not coincidence and the players fault (hello Bosher!). but if it happens all the time (predictable playcalling, or the same people like Sam Baker and Bosher being their usual selves) – it’s 100% on coordinators. and if the coordinators keep doing the stuff that makes us lose – then its on Smitty. etc.

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by Gemini-RU on Sep 26, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

One more thing

We all have to realize that Mike Smith approves very play….BVG and MM send the plays through Smitty first for approval, so he is just as mich at blame. I say clean the coaching staff.

by dirtybirds233 on Sep 26, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I agree MS is just as much at fault...

but I don’t know about “clean the coaching staff”

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I blame Ryan, the O-line, and MM

Ryan is making bad throws. There is no other way around it. Look at the second half, which was considered his better half. On our first fourth quarter drive into Bucs territory, he throws at Roddy White, surrounded by Bucs defenders. On fourth down, he tries to hit Gonzo under double coverage. The announcers were laughing at the fact Matt was throwing at receivers who were covered and making Ronde Barber look ten years younger than he is. He very nearly threw two picks, both of which were caught a couple of feet away from in bounds. I’m just waiting for a play like this to happen to the Falcons this season. The O-line was terrible. They couldn’t run block, the couldn’t protect Ryan, and worst of all, they should have dominated an incredibly young D-line. Embarrassing. Then I look at MM. We ask him to run an explosive play, he runs a reverse to JJ right at Ronde Barber that was so slow to develop, Grady Jackson could have put the hit on Julio. Did anyone notice the run to pass ratio? I understand we were down the whole game, but around 1:5 is terrible. That’s a June Jones type offensive gameplan. This Falcons team came in with a lot of hype, and deservedly so based on last season and this offseason. But so far, they have proven nothing, and in all honesty look like they have taken a few steps back. Hopefully this weekend will be the first step in the right direction.

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Sep 26, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't Blame Ryan

I mean if you were getting pounded face first in the ground every other play, bc your O-Line can’t block, I think you’d start making ill-advised throws too!

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Write-up

I agree with a lot of what you said up there, but here’s something to consider.

We haven’t played up to our potential yet. We will though. Even with nearly no time to throw the ball again yesterday, Matt got a few nice passes out there, and we had two receivers with over 100 yards receiving. Julio has only been in the NFL for 3 games and he’s having an enormous impact, whether it’s keeping the Defense honest and opening up lanes for Tony and Roddy, or converting crucial 3rd downs, or racking up yards himself. Before the season started we all seemed okay with the whole “Rookie Growing Pains” thing, but now that we’re not putting up 30 points a game it’s a little harder to sit and watch. It will get better.

The offensive line is bad. There is no way around that one. It can only get better though, as yesterday was T-Mac’s first game back and we’ve still got a newbie in there. We had continuity before this season, and we’ve all been mentally preparing to lose that over the off-season. This is what that looks like. I’ve got faith that it will get better. I just hope Matt doesn’t die before it happens.

The defense bailed us out multiple times yesterday after the offense sputtered (See: offensive line). I think we’ve got a better defense than we give credit for. The scheme isn’t the best, but they’re making enough plays to open the door for some wins. I’m not saying they’re perfect, don’t get me wrong. They weren’t the problem against Chicago or Tampa.

Bosher kicked some touchbacks yesterday…. so there’s that. (I can’t feign support for the guy, sorry.)

Even with as bad as we played against Tampa, it was a 3 point game in the end. That was their best start all year, and we were never out of that game. We were never going to go 100-0 against them in the Ryan Era, it’s not possible. I can say that they might not be the “Youngry” ones next time we play. Nobody makes us bleed our own blood…Nobody! We’re 3 games into the season, and with any luck we’ll be .500 after next week.
The other thing I’ve noticed this yar is this; We’re not the only ones with sub-par play this year. I would take our problems over being a KC fan, a Browns fan, or any of those other teams with bleak seasons ahead. We’re more Philadelphia than San Fransisco, and that’s a good thing.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd

if for nothing more than the Dodgeball reference!

oh… but also for the well thought out optomism. I agree completely.

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Steelers look bad, too.

They could’ve/would’ve/should’ve lost to the half Kerry Collins, half Curtis Painter-led (<30% career completion percentage) Colts.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

But that doesn’t mean the sky is falling for them, does it? Obviously our situation isn’t identical to theirs, and to try and make that the case would be stupid dumb on our part. I think the situations are similar though. Our season isn’t over because we started 1-2 against 3 10+ win teams (lotta numbers there, hope it makes sense). Our schedule is front-loaded this year, and coupling that with boneheaded mistakes like the ones we’ve been making and yeah, we’re gonna have a rough start. We’ve got work to do, but point me in the direction of a team that doesn’t.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping this terror opening to our schedule is part of the problem.

But in the grand scheme of things, if we’re going to be a playoff team, we should be beating playoff opponents. The Bears got whooped by the Packers just two weeks after the Bears embarrassed us. Yeah, the TB game was “close”, but our O, for all the media hype it’s gotten, shouldn’t be this bad.

But I really think it falls on the O-line. The no huddle was clearly the superior option yesterday, but Lord knows whether we’ll use it or not.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

We should be beating those teams. I really thought we’d beat Tampa yesterday, and I thought we’d beat Chicago too. Really I thought our record would be 2-1 with our only loss being to Philly (some psychic I am huh?). I guess my main (attempt at a) point is that the reasons we are losing to these teams are correctable mistakes. I think they’re correctable and will be corrected. I don’t think it’s time to hit the panic button, but it is time to fix these stupid mistakes and start winning winnable games.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correctable, yes.

But how long will we give them a pass before we start to wonder whether it’s correctable or not?

I’ve given up expecting corrections until I see them.

I’m convinced we’ll beat the Seahawks next week and people will be like, “Oh, everything’s okay again!” then we’ll get whooped by whoever comes after them and we’ll be right back where we started.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Green Bay comes after them...

I have a feeling that one will hurt to watch…especially if you are Matt Ryan’s close family!

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I'm giving passes

because I am not trying to excuse anything that happened. I’m just not ready to give up and say we’re F’ed this season. There’s a difference in trying to note correctable mistakes and giving passes for them. We’ll probably split these next two games. Then again, what better way to turn the corner than winning them both, and making a statement against Green Bay after the way they turned us over and spanked our bare asses in the playoffs? If we don’t compete in that game then yeah, I’ll be the guy screaming at everyone from the ledge before I jump off.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

BLOCK!

If the O-Line can do that, I think we are as good if not better than last year.

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

That’s the only thing that really scares me long term. I’m not 100% that we can fix the o-line. I’m sure they’ll get better, but I don’t know where they will top-out.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nobody gave you props on the comedy?
Everyone on the offense under 265 pounds except for Turner

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Never mind, I read that wrong.

Carry on.

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a trend

I find it hard pressed to see this team win 9 games let alone make the playoffs right now. Yes it still is early but this is starting to be a trend. The staff wants to win by discipline over talent. Being smart and making just enough plays to win. With very few play makers on the D and basic coordinators this was a practical way to win. Well the NFC has gotten better across the board.

This season is different. Where not getting those breaks like we did last year and we are undisciplined. We talent for talent wise are probably 5th or 6th in the NFC. Smitty defenses have never been dominant. For him to survive as coach I think he needs to bring in a offensive guru or some young blood with some creativity to take this offense to its true potential. I don’t see it happening and wouldn’t be surprised If he is soon to be on the hot seat.

by pierre02 on Sep 26, 2011 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Very few playmakers on D?

I disagree with that. Brent Grimes, John Abraham, Babs, and Lofton easily fall under that category I would think. Personally, I would throw a few more names in there, but they would be up for debate. Those 4 are playmakers though, there’s no way around it.

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a small chance

I misunderstood your post. Was I supposed to contend that we still have “very few playmakers” or was that more of a “2008” thing?

by FalconfanPhil on Sep 26, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

More of last year refrence

I would argue that Grimes and Abe are but Lofton is a liability in coverage. Ill give you Babs but I don’t think more players can become play makers just because BVG running the helm I don’t see any players emerging that can be playmakers. Spoon and Moore as well.

by pierre02 on Sep 26, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lofton is great..

but he’s not a playmaker. A playmaker…dun dun dun..makes plays! Lofton is a good MLB, love him, but being the first defender to make a tackle after the offensive player has already broken two one tackle and evaded the other does not a playmaker make. He’s just one of the few defenders who is consistently competent. I couldn’t tell you how many INTs just magically slip through his hands year in and year out.

by Gallant Gambler on Sep 26, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Falcons - What happened ???

Who would have believed a month ago, that the Bills and Lions would be undefeated and looking much better than the Falcons ?

by artbyshan on Sep 26, 2011 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

still early

But yeah see were good coaching gets you.

by pierre02 on Sep 26, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is who we are right now. What I see..

A blind man can spot it in a minute. The Falcons are beaten mentally. They’ve gone three years not making these type of mental mistakes. I thought that maybe the coaching staff was just in a slump but it’s everything. Yes we could have beaten Chicago and Tampa Bay but by the end of the first quarter of both games you had to question if it was possible.

If your QB is getting killed you have to use two TE and max protect. Coaches see that. Not one screen pass? HS teams run that play. It’s stubbornness, the OL isn’t big enough to be that slow. Soft coverage of the defense is awful. The penalties which we never used to commit. It’s not that they’re losing you guys, it’s how. It’s possible that after the G.B. game the players stopped buying into all of the program.

Additionally it doesn’t matter what other "good" teams are or are not doing it’s about the Falcons. I could give a **** about how Pittsburgh lost. They’ve got six Super Bowls.

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by FrozenFinger on Sep 26, 2011 2:34 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we tried a screen with Snelling

but it went for like a yard because Snelling does not = McCoy, Forte, LT, Peterson, CJ2k, etc.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

We did try that screen, and it wasn't because of Snelling that it failed miserably.

Perhaps if you tried a screen pass, more than once every three years, it might look a little more polished.

by RamblininAlb on Sep 26, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Calm down.

You guys are so worked up about this team right now. Its going to be fine trust me! Look around the NFC. How many teams do you believe are actually BETTER than us? I would say just GB, DET, and NO. Thats it. This team WILL start playing better. Our defense seems to be improving tremendously and Babs should be back soon. And our offense will start to put up big numbers even if the O line only slightly improves. I think the coaching staff is definitely taking notice in Ryan’s abililty to run the no huddle. It was definitley used more this game than in games past. Its only a matter of time and I believe that Seattle will be the starting point.

by dirtybird in ak on Sep 26, 2011 3:09 PM EDT reply actions  

TB was better than us yesterday.

Chicago was better than us two weeks ago. Embarrassingly better than us.

As a collective team, we have a long, long way to go before we can talk about being in the upper echelon of NFC teams again.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

To answer you question of who is better

along with GB, DET, and NO I would have to say that you have to include, Chicago since they beat us like a drum, and TB since they just beat us (up for debate). With N.O. continuing to win, Chicago beating us, and TB beating us, that makes it so much harder to get to the playoffs.

by Fear Me on Sep 26, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a long time Falcons fan. I always hope. I'm never confident.

We can beat anybody. We can lose to anybody. I just keep hoping and never ever assume any game is a done deal. And I will continue to do so.

by LuvGems on Sep 26, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Love the reaction

Caleb, your observation is on point and its not an over reaction. Its a conclusion being drawn from what is real and factual, we sucked for the last 3 weeks. Much to be optimistic about? Not till the extreme is done…relieve MM of his calling duties and do some moving around on the O-Line. BVG drop the zone blitz philosophy, its a joke. Your not Dick Lebeau and we’re not the steelers. Your personel if they can play any D is best suited as in your face physical man coverage. Those boys cant figure out where their zones begin and end, blown assignments on 3rd downs game after game should be a huge indication to this. In the words of Jim Mora “Playoffs?! Playoffs?!!!”

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 3:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

This:
Those boys cant figure out where their zones begin and end

I think that’s the biggest problem. Zone is great if your players can do it, but I don’t believe ours can. When we played press coverage on a 3rd and medium yesterday, our pass rush got to Freeman and resulted in an errant throw. We need more of that.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive personel

Its really frustrating to see that we might have the personel to be a good D and I believe we have the personel to be a good a D but the strategy just doesnt play to what we are. They play fast jump high and play aggressive but our coaches have to figure out that our strong point is NOT this zone scheme. Glad you see it to.

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 3:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I made a note of it in the open thread yesterday.

Because I was curious to see what would happen. Dunta was on the outside, and pretty much shoved his guy out of bounds. He ran step-for-step with him while he was on screen. I imagine the other two DBs did similar things, but Freeman had nowhere to throw, and was hurried by the pass rush.

The alternative is that if your DBs get a terrible jam or just get flat-out beaten and there’s no safety help, it’s almost a sure touchdown.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I remember us looking particularly bad

for the entire game.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, but don't blame DR or Grimes

The thing with both players is I didn’t see any individual play where I could blame them (other than an overly soft zone) for a result that was particularly negative for us. Now, our safeties and linebackers, yes.

That said, this defense has done quite well, I feel, defending the run well enough that it’s effectively neutralized. This may go back to the argument this forum has had in the past of “well maybe that’s all the defense sees in practice”, so arguably it could go back to MM. Do I think we’ll make the playoffs this year? three weeks in, with the way this team is playing, no. Do we have the personnel to make a deep run in the playoffs? I hope so.

by falconnuke on Sep 26, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sidbury

Is getting into the backfield when he gets playing time. I don’t know about Edwards though, besides picking up a fumble once, he has been invisible.

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Edwards has been helping out Abraham

He’s done a good job of forcing the pocket to collapse, which tends to buy time for Abraham to get there. Of course, that doesn’t work at all when we put D-Lineman in coverage….

by falconnuke on Sep 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can't play man against mobile QBs.

Not without a spy anyway, which takes away one blitzer or coverage guy.

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the nickel (4-2-5)

We could’ve had Spoon play as a spy, but Lofton’s not the most effective LB in coverage.

But you’re right. That’s neither here nor there at this juncture.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree...

I agree with you fellas but just sitting back and getting picked apart isnt any better. In most cases teams dont have to wrs that are all pro. Im just saying that in situations where our dbs have the advantage over the #2 wr why dont we take advantage of it as oppose to getting diced through the zone. Maybe they need to find a balance between the both schemes. I dont have the numbers infront of me between how we perform in a zone vs man but I would be curious to see how it pans out.

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Because

zone defenses work better. Everybody bitches about bend-but-don’t-break, but that’s exactly what good defense is. Force the offense to keep moving the chains and earn their points with ten play drives instead of taking unnecessary risks and giving up explosive plays.

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by J Tadpole on Sep 26, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I only see us winning 8 more games guys...

If so, that will leave us 9-7, and out of the playoffs most likely. Only to come back next year with no first round draft pick. We had no sacks yesterday (correct me if I am wrong) and only 1 offensive TD. I am so disappointed it’s ridiculous. And you know, I don’t blame the offensive players one bit (except o-line). I’ve been saying it for years, MM will not win us a championship. He will give us a winning record, year in and year out, but the OC’s for SB contenders are far superior than him. Some coaching staff changes need to be made.

by FalconsFansincePrimetime on Sep 26, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Pretty much sums up my feelings too

Thanks for putting legs to my thoughts during the game!

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I was stewing during the game.

It probably wasn’t good for my health.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 26, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

One positive

I think if we somehow take care of our O-Line, everything else will fall into place. But, I don’t know how you take care of that without replacements. Something is wrong with them, was Harvey Dahl that important to us?

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought the same...

I asked myself that question over the last couple weeks as well. This is the same unit minus Dahl…its crazy. Ive seen Reynolds screw up on a few holding calls or false starts but as far as his blocking goes he doesnt seem to be as bad as Baker is. I just think as a unit they dont look good and Baker is really struggling.

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

That USC team must be Cursed

Bush, Leinart and Baker…all have been busts for the most part.

by Falcons1133 on Sep 26, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

So true...

Bush is pretty much a bust. Darron Sprouls is better at being Reggie Bush than Reggie Bush was. But I still give him props for his Kim Kardashian…nevermind.

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this

aaaaaaaaaand rec’d

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I logged in to turn this comment green.

Now, I’m going to log out. In other news, the sky is not falling.

by grg on Sep 26, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that will mean

We have wins against teams against losing records
And our two losses came against teams that are currently .500 or worse.

by brotherbrown on Sep 26, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

* as ridiculous

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by Jason Kirk on Sep 26, 2011 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Caleb, are you bi polar?

Last week we were superbowl bound; now we dont even deserve to finish the seaon. I feel your pain, that was a tough loss. But let’s give these guys a few more games before we throw throw them under the rug. There have been signs of good and bad on both O & D. A couple of good games and we are still in the hunt.

by SmokeyBell on Sep 26, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea we're in the hunt...

in the hunt to be hunted. Lol

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

There is something very wrong with this team

And the most frustrating part is that I can’t figure out what it is. The offensive line sucks, yes, but there is something much deeper than that going on here. It seems virtually impossible that you could stack THAT much talent on an offense and after 2 road games only have 1 offensive touchdown. I mean even with an average NFL team, that’s almost impossible to do given the parity in the league. And even when the O-Line is giving protection, we still can’t move the ball. Our first 2 downs are some combination of a 2 yard run and an incomplete pass, and before you can blink, we’re at 3rd and 8. I do not understand it. I’m literally beyond emotion with it and just in a state of disbelief.

But whatever it is – playcalling, O-Line, the possibility that Matt Ryan just isn’t as good as we all hoped – this isn’t a good football team. A lot of great pieces, yes, but not a good "team". And I don’t see how it’s even a remote possibility that they take a step toward being elite, much less making the playoffs. Barring some incredible adjustment (which may even be as simple as letting Ryan take over the offense, but I’m not getting my hopes up), I think this team is going to have to make some major changes in the offseason. And yes, I know, it probably sounds crazy that I’m already talking about the offseason after week 3, but what I saw on that field yesterday was absolutely chilling.

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 4:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Keep GB from last year in mind man

They started off very rocky and got things sorted out. ATL has the players to get it done. I’m hoping someone calls a player meeting some time soon and the fellers have a chat. It’s hard to watch the games but I’m not going to give up yet. Not on the players atleast.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

GB

I hear you on the Green Bay front but most of their problems were injuries and getting the new personel caught up on the chemistry. Our issues seem to be personel on the line that left tackle mainly and coaching on both sides of the ball. Offense lacks creativity and BVG is one stubborn coach who has tunnel vision.

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 5:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Exactly

And I’m sorry, but that’s Green Bay. This is Atlanta. They have a proven tradition of winning, and we have a proven tradition of embarrassing ourselves and wetting the bed when it matters. Until we actually field a team that doesn’t look like a bunch of amateurs, I have a hard time using what Green Bay did to give me hope.

And I know that sounds very defeatist, but when you’ve grown up in Atlanta and watched one sports team after another come up with new and unexpected ways to fail, you run out of hope.

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 5:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I feel the same way

I’m just trying to keep is positive.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe they should have played with their pants down

No man wants to touch another man’s junk.
And that could have helped Baker on protection with I.E. no protection.

by brotherbrown on Sep 26, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate to say this but

I think we just aren’t that good of a football team. And that’s top to bottom (Coaches to Practice Squad). We have a good sampling of what these guys can do, and they are simply not getting it done. The coaches (yes including MS) have been out coached since the end of last year on several occasions. I don’t mind losing. But as I have said before, we are losing the EXACT SAME WAY every week. Our offense isn’t explosive, and there clearly needs to be changes. We make stupid penalties and mistakes. No discipline. These are coaching errors. Let’s not even get started on the Defense. People are saying they played a great game. Did they? Or was this an inferior offense?

The players aren’t better. I am tired of hearing about “potential”. If players don’t play up to their potential than they are worthless. The only person I would give a pass to is Julio and Rodgers… some rookies need a bit of a curve. I understand Matt is under pressure, but in a few cases he just made bad reads or bad throws. Even though Roddy dropped that touchdown pass, in my view, the more egregious mistake is when Ryan had Gonzo WIDE the FUCK OPEN in the endzone and went to Rodgers instead. He locked in… Peyton/Brady would have made the right throw.

I have been a Falcon fan since the Chris Miller era, and will continue to do so. However, until this team shows me more, I will no longer brag on them being an “elite” team. If this continues (which it has since last year), we can forget playoffs, 10 wins, hell even 8 wins for that matter.

by KEScottII on Sep 26, 2011 5:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree...

We have been outcoached and its tough to do anything about cause it seems that the relationship between Blank, TD and Smith is tight. I would hate to see that union break but would you say Smith is on the hotseat…seems so surreal cause hes brought this team so far from how he got it.

by Bigru3 on Sep 26, 2011 5:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I liked this angry rant...

great writeup and definitely rec’d

The team does need a new fire – the fundamental trash is killing us. They need to cut loose and play football, not mechanics. Mechanics aren’t going to work without protection anyways so run around and play good football. That is what has made GBs offense so good for the last few years.

Again, great stuff – it’s a shame the sidelines were so anemic to compliment the anemic play on the field but it explains a lot IMO

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by MentallyMIA on Sep 26, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure I agree that it's all Ryans fault

But what I hate is the fact that I do find myself starting to wonder “Is he what we hoped he would be?”

And forget the OLine issues for a second… Even when Ryan gets protection it seems like you are almost guaranteed he makes a couple of just inexplicably bad throws that lead to terrible interceptions. That’s fine if you’re a rookie, but we are in year 4 here and I’m still seeing rookie caliber interceptions.

I don’t know, I hope I’m wrong, but this is the Falcons, meaning the worst thing you can possibly imagine usually happens. Band right now the worst thing I can think of is that Matt Ryan doesn’t get any better than he currently is.

by cheshire falcon on Sep 26, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Think of it like this

Despite MV7 current issues.
Do you think he still looks better than he ever did with the Falcons?
Now ask the same question if Matt Ryan plays for another team without mularkey or greg knapp who I think is no longer in the league.

by brotherbrown on Sep 26, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with and disagree with alot of your post

Saying Roddy has wretched hands is offbase, BS and based on a single game. It is not even rooted in any facet of reality.

I do agree with the comments about Ryan’s decision making. He has always thrown a few headscratchers every game but they don’t hurt against the poorer teams. Well, we aren’t playing those teams very often. I wonder if he’s anticipating a sack and rushing the throws? Regardless of the reason why it’s got to be addressed? Could this be an effect of the new QB coach?

To your last paragraph, that fellow was playing the last half of the PHI game. I’m not concerned about Matt’s decisions rather I am concerned about the consistency of his decisions. So far he’s been all over the place.

by mwalex on Sep 26, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wretched might be a bit strong

And maybe I’m too liberal with the term ‘drop’. Maybe the absence of good hands doesn’t equate to having bad hands. But Roddy White’s hands simply aren’t above average.

Indulge me in some subjectivity. Here’s a completely arbitrary fantasy-related list of top WRs:

Andre Johnson
Calvin Johnson
Larry Fitzgerald
Vincent Jackson
Hakeem Nicks
Mike Wallace
Greg Jennings
Miles Austin
DeSean Jackson
Reggie Wayne
Brandon Lloyd
Dez Bryant
Dwayne Bowe
Brandon Marshall
Santonio Holmes
Tampa Bay Mike Williams
Marques Colston
Wes Welker
Stevie Johnson

If you were to rank Roddy’s hands – and only his hands – who would you put him above on this list? I’d say TB Mike, Dwayne Bowe, and VJax. Again, this is a ridiculous exercise, but my point is that the few guys who are in Roddy’s ‘tier of awesomeness’ that are also in his ‘tier of questionable hands’ are inconsistant performers. This is turning incoherent, so I’ll just say that HD, Sunshine, Quiz, and Julio all have better hands than Roddy.

Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.

by VaderX5 on Sep 26, 2011 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have already said

you don’t believe in stats so how do you compare the WR’s? If you base it on catch rate RW was tied for 15th last year with two other WR’s.

RW – 64% CR
Andre Johnsons – 62.3%
Calvin Johnson – 56.2%
Fitzgerald – 52.0%
VJackson – 58.3%
Hicks – 61.7%
MWallace – 58.4%
GJennings – 61.8%
DBowe – 54.1%
BMarshall – 58.9%
MColston – 63.3%
WWelker – 70.5%
TB Williams – 50.0%

There are many factors that effect catch rate but you can see how Roddy stacks up against many of the guys on your list. Just another case of how perception IS NOT reality. How about letting this one go.

by mwalex on Sep 27, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Ryan doesn’t seem to want to take chances. Have you noticed that he typically overthrows receivers on deep balls? I think he is so afraid of making a mistake that he would much rather over throw (and have a incompletion) than underthrow and let his guy make a play.

I also wish he had more of a gunslinger mentality. Not too much, but more than he has. I am not saying throw into double coverage, but if you have Julio well covered, throw him a freakin’ jump ball and make it a one on one matchup.

Finally, he locks in too much. If he would have thrown to Gonzo on that 4th and 3, we might have one the game. He threw to Quizz instead, and he made that decision before he even snapped the ball.

by KEScottII on Sep 26, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yup.

It’s like he isn’t going through a progression. And if his on guy doesn’t get open, he takes the sack.

And I agree that the 4th and 3 throw was decided on before the snap. Very frustrating.

Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.

by VaderX5 on Sep 26, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was when I lost hope

An incomplete pass would have been better than that junk. It was like throwing in the towel.

Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.

by VaderX5 on Sep 26, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel your pain

Wife got me tickets to the playoff game against GB last year.

by TheAreopagite on Sep 27, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

yikes

And as much as you want a win, just giving effort and a close game would make things a lot more palatable, right?

Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.

by VaderX5 on Sep 27, 2011 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would LOVE to know what happened to the gunslinger who threw 24 INTs. The guy who hit Jenks deep to bring us back against the Bears. The guy who threw the ball 20 yards downfield on his first career pass. The guy who brought us back against the Ravens on a Thursday night. I believed in that guy.

You know what happened? He got married

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Sep 27, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

tell us how you really feel Caleb

i partially blame Ryan on some deep passes he tries so hard not to make mistakes he ends up over shooting guys. Roddy and Tony are the only guys Ryan completely trust Julio is a rookie but after that game i would try and get Julio the ball some more but not on end arounds MM you freaking idiot

by Erihury on Sep 26, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

hey

we have been wanting creativity!!! lol!!!

by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 26, 2011 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

... wow. I'd love to hear your rants about the Braves and Dawgs ...

The Falcons though? 1-2 at week 3. Nope. Not panicking yet.

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by Adam Schultz on Sep 26, 2011 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

This article...

…poignantly describes everything I’m feeling as of this moment. Great job Caleb!

My two-cents?

1. No sense of urgency.
It’s like this team, especially the offense, doesn’t think that there’s any imminent failure. That is, our season is close to being over. Put it this way, if we lose to the Seahawks (it is very possible now) then lose to the Packers then we’ll be 1-4. No team that I can think of has ever made the playoffs after starting off that poorly (I know there would be some out there who have, but let’s face it it’s probably in the 1% range).

2. Poor game planning
How many times was Roddy White open or had the mismatch against a much weaker E.J. Biggers? The entire game. Yet it wasn’t until there was 7 minutes left on the game clock that we finally decided to exploit the matchup. The coaching staff and the players have to do a better job of identifying a weakness and exploiting it from the opening kick off to the final second.

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by Grayson on Sep 26, 2011 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd x 12

I’m watching MNF and they just showed Romo talking to his offensive players on the sidelines. More communication, animation, and intensity than I saw on the Falcons sideline at any time. I’m getting more pissed as the week progresses. And it’s only Monday. I thought we were passed this crap.

Perilously close to a 2007 style depression.

by VaderX5 on Sep 26, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah Really..

I noticed both the Redskins and Cowboys defense played with intensity and tackled very well for the most part. We don’t have those traits at this point of the season.

by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 27, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

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