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Falcons Announce First Wave Of Cuts: Chauncey Davis, Coy Wire Are Axed

ATLANTA, GA - SEPTEMBER 01:  Brandyn Harvey #17 of the Atlanta Falcons fails to pull in this reception against Talmadge Jackson #41 of the Baltimore Ravens at Georgia Dome on September 1, 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.  (Photo by Kevin C. Cox/Getty Images)

Wow.

There's some surprisingly familiar names on this initial list of cuts, which includes a total of 17 players. They include Chauncey Davis, a longtime reserve at defensive end who had a cap figure in excess of $3 million, and Coy Wire, the special teamer extraordinaire who re-upped with the team earlier this year. 

By making those two cuts, the Falcons showed a willingness to populate some key defensive reserve spots with young guys. There will be another 10 or so cuts forthcoming, but guys like Spencer Adkins and Akeem Dent are vying for Wire's old role now, and Davis is likely to be replaced by Cliff Matthews, Lawrence Sidbury or both. In the case of Trey Lewis, who was released alongside Kiante Tripp, the Falcons are showing they're comfortable with Corey Peters' health.

The rest of these names are mostly younger players and UDFA types who still have a shot at a practice squad spot, but weren't making the final roster. There's some talent there, but no name beyond the trio of Davis, Wire and Lewis is a shocking one. 

This is news that deserves to be debated as well as dissected, so I open the floor to the lot of you. I'll have more in-depth thoughts later on, but after the jump, find the full list with brief comments. I wish all these guys well.

Star-divide

DE Chauncey Davis: A valuable reserve for a long time, Davis was solid against the run but not much of a factor as a pass rusher. The team will roll with younger guys with higher ceilings now, not to mention the fantastic three-man rotation of John Abraham, Ray Edwards and Kroy Biermann.

LB Coy Wire: A valuable special teams contributor, Wire was undone by lack of top-flight skills as a linebacker. Akeem Dent is the presumptive choice to take his spot.

DT Trey Lewis: A surprise, considering that Lewis just had a sack last night. The team has terrific depth with Corey Peters, Jon Babineaux, Peria Jerry and Vance Walker, and they seem to like Carlton Powell

TE Marquez Branson: Still a practice squad candidate, Branson has terrific physical skills but remains raw. 

 

FB Lucas Cox: A punishing blocker with some pass-catching ability, Cox is also a practice squad candidate. The Falcons won’t carry two fullbacks and he could never have beat out Ovie Mughelli.

OG Paul Fenaroli: A project with some upside at center and guard, Fenaroli is raw but talented. Again, a practice squad candidate.

LB Matt Hansen: Touted coming into camp but ultimately could not distinguish himself on a crowded depth chart.

WR Brandyn Harvey: Another practice squad candidate, Harvey is tall and fast but struggled to find separation after a nice start to pre-season.

RB Gartrell Johnson: Failed to distinguish himself in pre-season and watched Antone Smith explode last night.

DE Tom McCarthy: Did little in very limited opportunities. The depth chart at defensive end is too deep.

CB Kamaal McIlwain: Impressed in practice and had a nice pick last night. May latch on the practice squad.

C Ryan McMahon: Doomed as soon as the Falcons re-signed Brett Romberg.

S Rafael Priest: Had a promising start to training camp but was undone by the James Sanders signing.

DT Kiante Tripp: Once again, a victim of the numbers game. Some talent there, so he could be a candidate for the practice squad.

S Suaesi Tuimaunei: Had little chance to make his case and couldn’t capitalize when he did.

LB Bear Woods: Hard-nosed linebacker with good football intelligence who did some nice things this pre-season. Probably a practice squad candidate.

WR Andy Strickland: Had some moments in practice and in pre-season, but was injured last night and is being waived based on that. 

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Coy Wire is a big surprise.

I don’t think many folks saw this coming. Every report from the training camp and pre season I read was good about Coy wire. I hope Adkins can step up in ST.

It's all about Process...

by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 2, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

NOOOOO COY!!!

I always loved the underdog story that was Coy Wire doing anything and everything to make that roster spot. Also I now wonder about our special teams, last year we tried to change things up and it ended up hurting us in the end

Please read Turner_The_Burner and my Best case/Worst case analysis of the upcoming week

by dunlagh on Sep 2, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Sep 2, 2011 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really wish we kept Davis,

but the front office has a plan in place, I trust and believe we’re in good hands. Everyone else was a no brainer. Cutting Davis, Lewis, and Wire frees up enough cap space to maybe make another key signing.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 2, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Davis is terrible

He is a very poor pass rusher and an average run defender with a big salary. I think people only like him because he is a known quantity. But he isn’t a very good known quantity

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Man that's your opinion

not a very reasonable opinion, he wasn’t terrible. He’s made many plays during his time here in Atlanta. Also you’re wrong, I don’t like him because he’s known I like him because he’s a good team player, who works hard and made our end rotation more flexible. I don’t see how anyone could just say good riddance, but to each its own.

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 3, 2011 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

He is terrible

And it’s not just my opinion.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/06/20/three-years-of-pass-rushing-productivity-edge-rushers/

Over the last 3 years he’s been the 10th worst 4-3 DE in the league. I would call that terrible. The front office seems to agree considering that they cut him.

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's funny how again

perception is so far removed from reality. Nice link Mosugo.

by mwalex on Sep 5, 2011 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

He had to be let go.

This can’t be big suprise. All preseason long, his name has popped up being a cap casualty based on his salary. We signed Sanders and Hayden, and the FO must like our depth with our young guys. 2+2 = 4 so bye bye C. Davis. He made a great interception last season, but that was about it.

by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 3, 2011 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our cap space just multiplied.

I see another Free agent in our future.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Sep 2, 2011 4:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

For the Bills, yes. He was a strong safety if I remember right.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 2, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Injured his neck

Doctor told him he’d never play again. Rehabbed like crazy, bulked up, made it back to the NFL as a LB

by FLA_Falcon on Sep 2, 2011 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I didn't know that.

Very interesting.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 2, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm sad to see him go

I really hope Bear can make the roster in his place tho. I feel like I’m the only one still on the Bearwagon but outside of Mike Peterson…what have any of our backup LBs done? I don’t recall seeing James on the field EVER, even the preseason this guy isn’t getting action, how is he still around???

by FLA_Falcon on Sep 2, 2011 4:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Bear can't make the roster in his place

He was cut also. Practice squad if he’s lucky.

by TheAreopagite on Sep 2, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am...

with you, I was hoping Woods would stick as well. I really liked his play and his attitude, hell, just his overall makeup.

Coy Wire is deffinately a surprise, I was thinking he was a lock. That’s it, no more thinking for me…!!

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 2, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bear has been hanging around for too long. Our LB Corps is deep and our starters are young and working on long term deals. If Wire couldn’t make the roster, There is no way Bear makes it.

by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 3, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

MLB

It's all about Process...

by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 2, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coy Wire

I Really Hope His Release Isnt And Isnt Conceived As Having To Do With The Fact That He Was A Player Rep

by shuliem3 on Sep 2, 2011 4:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I kinda doubt that.

He served this team in the offseason, it’s just a business move. Coy is at the end of his shelf life and that’s it.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Sep 2, 2011 4:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Wow Fail

That Would Be Perceived

by shuliem3 on Sep 2, 2011 4:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Tyson Clabo was the main player rep

Coy Wire was the backup. And Tyson Clabo was resigned to a $25million dollar contract. So I very much doubt it was something to do with that.

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

DJ Davis is still on the team, as is Kevin Cone

Cone has a stupid 40. They talked about him last night, somewhere in the 4.37 range. He might be a PS candidate.

Coy and Chauncey were probably cap casualties. Not sure who we’d bring in at this point, unless other teams cut a Chauncey or Coy-type talent and we bring them in (a likely possibility).

DJ Davis was part of that Blur offense in Oregon last year. They had some serious athletes on that team. He might be a PS candidate. I like what I’ve seen from Bear Woods. I don’t really understand cutting him unless he’s just too small. He plays downhill and is about everywhere all the time.

Harvey, well, I don’t know about him. He has the measurables, but I’d argue the coaches know more about players like him than us, since we don’t see them get many touches. Otherwise, no real surprises for me.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 2, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Next ten cuts?

-Rafael Bush
-Darrin Walls
-Robert James
-Carlton Powell
-Lawrence Sidbury/ Emmanuel Stephens
-Jose Valdez
-Ryan Winterswyk
-Kevin Cone
-D.J. Davis
-John Parker Wilson

Do we really have to wait another day for this?

by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 2, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Are There Any Free Agents The Falcons Might Be Looking At Now That We Have More Car Room?

by shuliem3 on Sep 2, 2011 4:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Whoops

Chalk That Up To Good Old T9 I Really Need A New Phone

by shuliem3 on Sep 2, 2011 4:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

To answer your question: I have no idea.

The only place I could see us actively searching for an upgrade would be TE, or LB.

The FO must see something in Adkins/James that I don’t tho because I’ve seen Bear do more in every aspect of the game than either of those guys. I just can’t mke myself understand why he isn’t on the team ahead of those two. I would’ve kept Peterson, Dent, Woods, and maybe even Wire as the backup LBs and said goodbye to James and Adkins.

by FLA_Falcon on Sep 2, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are much more athletic than him

That may factor in when considering special teamers

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Our Of Curiousity

Why Do You Capitalize Every Word?

It’s Sort Of Hard To Read.

"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.

by Jman781 on Sep 2, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its Some Weird Thing On My Mobile Browser It Happens Automaticly

by shuliem3 on Sep 2, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Got it...

AT LEAST IT DOESN’T MAKE YOU SHOUT!

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by Jman781 on Sep 2, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel a little less confident about our LB core now

Coy was a quality backup and ST guy, he will be missed. Maybe this is a case of perception not being the reality, but I always did like Coy and felt he could step in and things not go horribly wrong. The player rep thing I see as a non-issue, we’ve got many young responsible guys who can fill those shoes.

by GA-James on Sep 2, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Any more

definitive news on weather the Falcons will get money from Vick and if it can be used towards the cap? If so add that to the cap that has just been cleared and there could be a major signing in store possibly.

by BigFalcon84 on Sep 2, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Amazing how quickly that happened

They must have a few folks targeted…the rich get richer!

by TheAreopagite on Sep 2, 2011 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is out there at the moment

That would be considered a major signing? I think a long term deal for contract year players like Grimes or Lofton is much more likely

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to see us get a superstar quality offensive lineman

Anyone know if there’s a guy who’ll be up for release?

That or Asante Samuel since we’re getting the Vick money…hmm.

by Jebidillah on Sep 2, 2011 5:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Well...

unless I missed some news coming out of the Eggles camp…Asante is staying with the Eggles. Plus, rumor has it that the Eggles want 2 second round picks for him and we don’t have that to give up…

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 2, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

So Carson Palmer is the new Favre

ESPN is reporting that Palmer may report to the Bengals next week, supposedly threatening to cut his brother if he doesn’t…. weird situation…

by FLA_Falcon on Sep 2, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Um...

Why do the Bengals want a QB who obviously does not want to play for them?

The QB is the most important player on the team, and, sometimes by default, is often the leader of the squad. Palmer will not be 100% focused and will not give a damn at times. What is the benefit of forcing him to stay? They are better off developing Andy Dalton.

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by Jman781 on Sep 2, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just

glad I don’t live in Cincy. I probably wouldn’t even watch them on TV.
Mike Brown is a passive agressive type, so is Palmer but he’s clearly shown them that he doesn’t want that job. If he doesn’t report and collect that 11 mil he has got to be the nicest person in modern times.

by BigFalcon84 on Sep 2, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

really tough time to be a Bengles fan right now…

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--Earl Warren, Chief Justice of the United States.

by Blood_Talon on Sep 2, 2011 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think you've got it quite right; his brother was cut a week ago

He’s threatening to show up because they’ll either have to bench Dalton or have a backup QB who makes over 11 million. In other words, they cut him or trade him, and he gets what he wants (playing for another team).

by TheAreopagite on Sep 2, 2011 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I as just going off what ESPN told me

Then again ESPN once reported Shaq had a torn ACL hen it was only a bruised thigh…

by FLA_Falcon on Sep 2, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't feel bad

Espn is apparently having trouble getting their stuff straight

by birdwatch on Sep 2, 2011 6:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even if he got traded

He’d have less than a week to learn a new system. A clever move by him though to force the Bengals hand

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Poor AJ.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Sep 2, 2011 5:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd

AJ should get out as soon as his rookie contract is done.

by BigFalcon84 on Sep 2, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lance Briggs wants a trade...

Should have cap room now with Davis gone and the whole Vick contract situation

by jchat3 on Sep 2, 2011 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think it will happen...

But what would we have to give them?

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by Jman781 on Sep 2, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briggs has no leverage

So it would have to be an impressive trade package. In other words, we’ve likely already traded away the picks we’d need.

by TheAreopagite on Sep 2, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man

Briggs would make our front 7 awesome.

by BigFalcon84 on Sep 2, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't see why we need him

We have Spoon and Nicholas and Briggs is 30

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sigh...bummed about Bear

Don’t know what else the poor guy could do. Plays hard, wants to be involved in every play, knows a bit of the system. I swear if roid boy James makes the team…I’m gonna shake my fist real hard at my iphone!! Yeah I said it.

by aces666high on Sep 2, 2011 6:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Might use the space

To re-sign Mighty Mouse. And maybe the Police. Lofton is coming up for free agency next year right?

by birdwatch on Sep 2, 2011 6:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The whole draft

Bar Ryan and Baker. Ryan has a 6 year contract and Baker has a 5 year contract

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm on mobile and having

Difficulty with a fan shot but this is interesting read on one Matty Ice

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=6917826

by birdwatch on Sep 2, 2011 6:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Although I can’t figure out why they got a pic of Schaub on there. U’d think espn could get it right

by birdwatch on Sep 2, 2011 6:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I Think

John Parker wilson should be cut. No need to keep 3 QBs as bad as he is. Maybe put em on the practice squad.

by DaDirtiestBird23 on Sep 2, 2011 6:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Does he even qualify

as a QB?

He’s terrible. Why waste a roster spot on him?

"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.

by Jman781 on Sep 3, 2011 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I see Renny Curran was cut by Tennessee. That’s surprising. I wonder if we would have any interest.

by DaDirtiestBird23 on Sep 2, 2011 6:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I’d kick the tires if he’s a good STs player.

by Jonathan Joseph on Sep 2, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

special teams is critical to making the roster at this point.

by DaDirtiestBird23 on Sep 2, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

How does cutting Lewis (sucks) and Tripp (UDFA) show they are comfortable with CP’s health? That’s a stupid assumption, especially with a DT that has yet to be cut (Powell).

by Jonathan Joseph on Sep 2, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Because Lewis has been with the team for a few years now...

…and would probably still be around if CP was going to miss a lot of time. I think that’s a fair assumption.

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by Dave Choate on Sep 2, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't be a stupid dumb.

"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.

by Jman781 on Sep 3, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I’m also concerned with Bosher’s punting

by DaDirtiestBird23 on Sep 2, 2011 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

possibilty

What are the chances TD makes a play for lance Briggs? We could really use a probowler like that on our squad if they were to accept a trade of mike Peterson and Stephen Nicholas!!! Or maybe Peterson and Owens other teams seem to think he is pretty good and the bears need a DB

by falcons101 on Sep 2, 2011 7:37 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Maybe if they include Nicholas

and then throw in Owens & a late draft pick

by jchat3 on Sep 2, 2011 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where are you getting it from

That other teams think Owens is good? Peterson has no value, he was a free agent for about a week and got no offers before resigning with us. Nicholas is nowhere near the quality of Briggs, so we’d have to add a high draft pick to get that deal done. Finally, we don’t really need Briggs. Sure it would be nice but we would have to give him the huge contract he desires and lose a chance at resigning Lofton/DeCoud/Biermann/Grimes/Douglas.

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right now I think

the most likely (and needed) move they make is to bring in another punter. I’m glad they brought in a couple veteran DBs and brought back Romberg (just in case) because it shows they plan on making a run this year. If TD and company are that confident that the Falcons are close enough to make a run at the SB then I’ve got to be upbeat too.

by drmondo667 on Sep 2, 2011 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

lance briggs

Would be a perfect mentor for Akeem dent and Sean Witherspoon if we were to get Briggs and he mentors Witherspoon the falcons could have three probowl linebackers on the field and two probowl d-ends in Abraham and Edwards and on top of that throw in probowler Brent grimes and dunta Robinson who is looking to have an outstanding year this would be the perfect move for our future

by falcons101 on Sep 2, 2011 8:44 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

Pro-Bowls mean nothing

And we don’t need a veteran who will keep Weatherspoon off the field. Youth movement means staying young. Not getting and old guy in a position we don’t need him in. Mike Peterson’s a good enough mentor.

by ndnpride8806 on Sep 2, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Briggs is 32 and still performing GREAT

Sure mike Peterson is a good mentor but not that good of a player anymore Briggs would come right in next to lofton and have around 100 something tackles this season that is a perfect example for weatherspoon to learn from and he could help Curtis lofton make the jump into elite status mind you weatherspoon will still be starting on the other side

by falcons101 on Sep 2, 2011 11:57 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Briggs is very good but,

He and his scum agent Drew Rosenhaus(sp?) are whining for a new deal. He got his front loaded contract and has decided he needs more front. Our FO does not suffer whiny babies.

by aces666high on Sep 3, 2011 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he's a good player

Don’t get me wrong. He deserves everything, but if we’re going to trade to upgrade at a position, I’m ok with the guys we’re fielding at LB. I’d rather trade for another perennial Pro-Bowler. Like giving Sam Baker up for an elite tackle. I don’t pull the trigger on an older LB who won’t upgrade all that much.

He would make our front 7 pretty amazing.

Also, I don’t think we have the cap room unless Briggs wants a huge pay cut to play for a contender.

by ndnpride8806 on Sep 3, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

wtf is Mighty Mouse?

by Botchelism on Sep 2, 2011 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Mighty Mouse?

That would be Mr. Brent Grimes.

I thought that would have been obvious…

by birdwatch on Sep 2, 2011 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I have a mighty mouse.

A naked one.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Sep 2, 2011 10:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

You know...this guy!!

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 3, 2011 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

the force beyond size?

Sounds like something a disappointed girlfriend would say.
Right Ball Hawk?

by birdwatch on Sep 3, 2011 1:13 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

any thoughts on what I said about Briggs

I mean we need to make a move on home before the eagles or packers try…even though it wouldn’t make sense to trade him inside the division but you never know

by falcons101 on Sep 2, 2011 9:32 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions  

I think

We don’t need to mortgage everything to trade fora 32 year old linebacker when we have 3 very good ones who know the system. Briggs would have 1 week to learn it. He wants a huge contract. Plus, why would the Bear trade him to the team they play in week 1. Also, the Packers play a 3-4 and would have little use for Briggs.

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just sayin

That the only way to beat the eagles right now is to run the ball due to their sub par linebacking core do we really want them making some kind of trade for lance Briggs??? I mean really think about it they have Alot of players and picks to go after Briggs so why wouldn’t they if there going hard foe the superbowl? I just think we can’t afford for them to pickup Briggs and he goes there and makes there linebacking core very good plus we would be mentoring clay Mathews little brother there is no telling how good they would become I think we just cannot let that happen

by falcons101 on Sep 3, 2011 9:37 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

understand you completely

The iggles could trade asante for briggs straight up probably. They then make a weakness stronger by trading from a strength to get it. I would really hate it, if they did this.

" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!

by ATLsince1972 on Sep 3, 2011 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

and what about the bears

If they were to get Asante they would have Charles Tillman and Asante Samuel starting at corner and the have veteran safety’s their secondary would be pretty good remember they were just in the NFC championship game LAST YEAR!!! And they lost because of their pass defense!!! If that trade were to happen both the eagles and the bears get much better and we have another headache to deal with

by falcons101 on Sep 3, 2011 9:56 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

We shouldn't make a trade

Just to stop the Eagles from acquiring a player. That’s a terrible reason to make a trade. Make a trade if it upgrades your team and makes long term sense. Making a trade just to make sure the Eagles don’t get a player doesn’t make any sense to me. The Eagles haven’t won a single game yet (just like everybody else), so to base our team building strategy on stopping them acquiring players would be ridiculous. To say the only way to beat them is to run the ball when no one has seen them play doesn’t really make much sense to me either. Also, just because Casey is Clay’s little brother doesn’t make him a good player. His play in preseason has been very poor and Eagles fans have been calling for him to be replaced. He lasted to the 4th round for a reason- he isn’t his brother. If the Eagles want to trade for a 32 year old linebacker I say let them, we don’t need to give up draft picks for a player we don’t need just to spite them.

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

???

A perfect example of how to beat the eagles is to do exactly what the steelers did RUN THE BALL they have sub par linebackers that’s the reason you don’t want them to get lance Briggs and all of their d-line Is built to pass rush and their secondary built for the pass the eagles run defense will be terrible why do you think the eagles fans want an upgrade. Duh, Briggs is the perfect fit for them and us and about Casey not being his brother because of what round he was drafted clay was drafted round 4 or 5 too football is all about dedication round number DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING!!! The point is if he gets a mentor like Briggs HE WILL BE GREAT!!!! Not to mention he is still going to learn from his brother as well come on now if he can have two great mentors like that how can he not be productive????

by falcons101 on Sep 3, 2011 9:23 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

No

Clay Matthews was drafted in the 1st round of the 2009 draft at number 26 overall. I don’t know where you got 4th round from. Just because you have great mentors doesn’t mean you will be a great player. Otherwise Michael Palmer would be a great player just because he will be learning from Tony Gonzalez. You have to have the natural talent. I don’t think Casey Matthews does. Neither did most NFL teams as he was a 4th round pick. His draft profile also doesn’t support him having the natural athletic ability of his brother:

“Not blazingly fast. Slightly stiff in the hips, doesn’t have great change of direction ability and could struggle in man coverage vs. NFL tight ends and backs. Rarely beat the block once picked up on the blitz. While good at just about everything, not truly elite in any category.”

The fact is Matthews has been so poor in preseason that many Eagles fans want him benched. His own defensive co-ordinator had to jump to his defense because the criticism was so vociferous:

http://gcobb.com/2011/08/22/juan-castillo-defends-matthews-and-his-young-linebackers/

You think Casey Matthews will be a great player because he will have “great mentors” and because his brother is great. I think he won’t because he was a 4th round pick (say draft position doesn’t matter all you want, but the fact is that most 4th round picks don’t make it in the NFL) and he has been really poor in preseason.

Also, the Steelers game you are referencing was a preseason game which the Eagles didn’t gameplan for and the starters only played a half. So I doubt that was the blueprint to beat them,

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Last I looked...

the Eggels wanted 2 second round picks for Asante, if Biggs is worth that then I could see this happening but seeing as he is 32 years old, hmmmmm…I wouldn’t give 2 second rounder’s for a 32 year old linebacker. The “value” the Eggels are looking for isn’t there.

Must agree with Mosugo here, this isn’t baseball, going after a guy just so someone else doesn’t get him really isn’t a good strategy, they are not even in our division. We only play the Eggels once so then we do a “what if” on facing them in the playoffs…not very reasonable to me. Again, got to agree that I think our LB core is very, very good as is…

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by Blood_Talon on Sep 3, 2011 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

correction

Okay that does make sense but I wasn’t saying get him so the eagles dont it was more as get cuz he is finally available and regardless of age is better than all of our linebackers other than lofton makes sense though we do have a tough core problem is we are still bringing along weatherspoon and we need somebody he can learn from that actually has had some success in the NFL trust me if your up and coming and you can get that one key mentor it just makes you career better you know??? And about Casey do you know how many guys over analyze picks coming out don’t get me wrong he has Alot to overcome but if they start him he will be their best tackler which is all he did at Oregon he is a liability against the pass bit they don’t need a coverage linebacker they need a tackling machine and he is that…but back to the greatest team in the world the falcons……

by falcons101 on Sep 3, 2011 11:03 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Well actually...

you did say that:

I just think we can’t afford for them to pickup Briggs and he goes there and makes there line backing core very good plus we would be mentoring clay Mathews little brother there is no telling how good they would become I think we just cannot let that happen

Just saying…

I do see your point, maybe he would make our LB’s better but there is no guarantee of that happening…

I don’t think we should waste very thin, very valuable resources on a 32 year old LB when that is not an area of need for the team. These are just my opinions and I think we just agree to disagree on this point.

April 1974 - Tug McGraw, when asked if he preferred grass or AstroTurf: "I don't know. I never smoked AstroTurf."

by Blood_Talon on Sep 4, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Peterson is a good mentor. Just because Briggs is a better player doesn’t mean he will necessarily be a good mentor. Lofton credits much of his development to Peterson. If he was 28 the move would make sense,but he’s 32. He only has 2-3 years left in the league. I don’t think giving up a 2nd round pick for him makes any sense, especially because we don’t have a need at the position.

by Mosugo on Sep 4, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just me...

but I think we will be able to throw the ball on them…we shall see.

April 1974 - Tug McGraw, when asked if he preferred grass or AstroTurf: "I don't know. I never smoked AstroTurf."

by Blood_Talon on Sep 3, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Can anyone tell me where Adam Froman is?

And how did he look?

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Sep 2, 2011 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

He got cut...

BEFORE JPW.

Those are all the facts you need to make a decision on how he looked.

"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.

by Jman781 on Sep 3, 2011 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

hahahaha

That about sums it up. Thanks and rec’d

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Sep 3, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm ok with Chris Redman as a backup QB

Unless you’re talking about a #3. If so, I actually might just keep two QBs and let Kerry Meier be the emergency #3. If we’re knocked down to our #3 QB, our season’s shot to hell anyways, and it would be cool to see Meier throw some passes to add some excitement to the season.

by ndnpride8806 on Sep 3, 2011 2:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Going to a third QB is not that hard to do in a game situation

Especially with the new rules on concussions, if your line is having a bad day and they have to pull your first two QBs for big hits (even if they aren’t actually concussed) they are to be taken to the locker room and cannot return to the game. Remember last year when both Turner and Snelling had to leave the game, and Mughelli took carries? It happens.

by TheAreopagite on Sep 3, 2011 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Smart teams have an answer we do not. NO has chase Daniel, NE has Ryan Mallet even Panthers have Derrick Anderson we have Rojo but he’s not the same as those guys IMO.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Sep 3, 2011 10:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Redman

Is much better than Derrick Anderson. Also at this point, he is a better player than Mallet. That probably won’t be the case in a year or 2, but for now he is better.

by Mosugo on Sep 3, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

and Daniel

Redman is one of the best backups in the NFL. All backups are incomplete or horrible, otherwise they wouldn’t be back there.

by KMarch on Sep 4, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

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