It's Better To Be Lucky And/Or Good: A Falcons-Eagles Recap
The Atlanta Falcons beat the Philadelphia Eagles 35-31. If that's all you've heard about the game and you want to save yourself a face-melting ride through the details of the game, I suggest you steer clear of The Falcoholic for the rest of the day.
The referees were bad, fumbling with calls that hurt both teams but seemed especially geared toward making me tear my hair out. The Eagles were good for most of the game before falling apart. But ultimately, the Falcons pissed away an 11 point lead, showed no offensive urgency, couldn't or wouldn't protect Matt Ryan and once again failed at tackling. They did all those things and still won, thanks to a little luck, a lot of hanging in there and some brilliant fourth quarter play.
The Falcons desperately needed to walk out of the Georgia Dome with a victory, and they got one. Now the key will be to build on a haphazard game that was won by the skin of the god of grace's teeth and start kicking some serious ass. Obviously, I think the Falcons can do just that.
After the jump, you'll find my full breakdown. Join me.
HIGHLIGHTS
- Tony Gonzalez was brilliant. He made a pair of touchdown catches against the Eagles, including a one-handed grab that he just barely managed to stay inside the end zone with. He came up with five other clutch grabs, as well, and looked like he had drained a goblet from the Fountain of Youth before the game. Absolutely the MVP for the Falcons, and Mike Mularkey was wise to use him to pick on the Eagles' lackluster linebackers.
Let's just induct him to the Hall of Fame now and save everyone some time later. - Matt Ryan had his moments. For drives--especially in the fourth quarter--Ryan was calm, made the most of his opportunities and delivered on some tough throws. On the last drive, his bullet to Gonzo looked like it was fired from an angel's gun. There's a flip side to this, but he deserves to be recognized for what he brought to the table.
Oh, and he threw for a career high four touchdown passes. You don't make that happen by accident. - Michael Turner was his usual self. He started off strong, faded through the middle of the game and came up with one huge run to save his stat line and put the Falcons in position to score. Up until his huge 61 yard run, he had 19 carries for 50 yards, less than three yards a carry. I'd like to see more consistency out of him going forward, but my God is he a holy terror when he gets a little room.
- Julio Jones and Harry Douglas each had a couple of nice catches. Props to them.
- Peria Jerry applied pressure and came up with a huge hit on Michael Vick and forced a fumble. You have to love the effort.
- Speaking of effort, Ray Edwards had a sweet return on that fumble. Sure, he got caught from behind, but we're not talking about a high school track star. It was good to see him generating pressure.
- Stephen Nicholas forced a fumble, stayed active all game long and came up with one of the game's biggest hits when he stopped DeSean Jackson on the Eagles' last punt return.
- Heck, Sean Weatherspoon and Curtis Lofton deserve props, too. Both were flying all over the field, and each one had a nice play or two in coverage. I say that knowing full well that neither are exactly elite against the pass yet, but points for getting there.
- Kudos to Abe for the forced fumble.
- Matt Bryant remains clutch, even when he's just kicking extra points. Hardly news, I know.
- Did Kelvin Hayden get a pick that probably wasn't a pick? Yes. Did he sell it? Sure did. Did he also play pretty well in coverage at the nickel and acquit himself despite being on the team for less than a month? Hell yeah.
- Brent Grimes was pretty stellar in coverage. Stopping DeSean Jackson is no easy feat.
- The tackling in general improved over the Bears game. It's not anywhere near where it needs to be, but I saw guys wrapping up better against the Eagles. Again, the Falcons are a work in progress, so I'll take my encouragement where I can.
LOWLIGHTS
- Ryan made some terrible decisions in this game, too. Under pressure all night long, he threw two excruciatingly bad picks and showed a little happy feet in the pocket. Once the line steps up and starts protecting him, we should see those things vanish.
- Oh, the line. The line. For the second straight game, nobody showed much interest in keeping Ryan from getting crushed into a cube by Trent Cole. Especially not Sam Baker, who looked like a Pop Warner tackle trying to block an M1 Abrams tank off the edge. This unit simply has to get better at pass protection before Ryan gets hurt. He was sacked four times tonight and hit at least a half dozen other times.
- The wide receivers struggled to get open. Roddy White disappeared off the field for long stretches, Julio Jones just didn't run crisp routes on a couple more and the Falcons struggled to get separation in general. Thank Vishnu for Tony Gonzalez.
Hard not to give them a bit of a pass considering the strength of the Eagles' secondary, but I'll hope to see a lot better against the Buccaneers. - The tackling was still pretty bad. Which leads us to...
- If you're Dunta Robinson, you cannot launch yourself at an Eagles wide receiver like a missile. Not after last year. Yet that's exactly what Dunta did against Jeremy Maclin.
Look, not everyone's going to agree whether he led with his shoulder or his helmet. Not everyone's going to agree on whether there was intent. For the record, I'm inclined to think he wasn't trying to injure anyone, and I don't believe he was intentionally leading with his helmet. But the Falcons need to wrap up and bring guys down, and Robinson put himself in a very bad position by reacting to the play the way he did. - Matt Bosher started to boom it a little bit late in the game, but he's shown me nothing. The 18 yard shank punt he put up there was one of the ugliest things I saw last night, and that is really saying something.
- The officiating was horrendous all game long. The missed interception calls, the lack of a call when Matt Ryan received helmet-to-helmet contact, lot of missed calls on Jason Babin and some blown calls for both teams in general were not fun to watch. Frankly, both teams have legitimate grievances, but the Falcons certainly got more than their fair share of mistakes.
- I could spend paragraphs on paragraphs on the coaching, but suffice to say the Falcons just aren't to where they need to be yet.
- The Eagles are scary. Matt Ryan's not going to be the only one having nightmares about Nnamdi Asomugha and Trent Cole, I'll say that.
THE WRAPUP
Game MVP: Tony Gonzalez. The "M" in MVP stands for "Monster."
Game Theme Song: I'm too tired to even think of one, frankly. Make your suggestions in the comments.
One Thing To Take Away: The Falcons can hang in there with the best teams in the NFL. They just can't convincingly thrash them yet.
Next Week: The Tampa Bay Buccaneers! The Falcons will take to the road, and you should too to check out Bucs Nation.
Final Word: Phew.
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Game theme song? Who let the dogs out
or is that in bad taste?
what a rollercoaster it was
I’m glad we won, but we need to fix these two things ASAP:
- o-line
Baker was owned last night (or better, this morning here). if we don’t find a good backup in FA immediately (I know it may be unrealistic) we’ll get our franchise QB killed literally.
- ST play
Weems made some boneheaded decisions – I’d try to use someone else (like Franks) just so that both stay competitive.
and more importantly – Bosher may cost us a game, sooner than later. just ask the Chargers – with all the fireworks they put up on offense and defense they didnt make playoffs last year. I’m more than sure there are available punters somewhere. this problem is at least solvable realistically (unlike the LT issue).
and one final question – who was covering Maclin? was it Dunta? giving up 13 catches for 173 yds and 2 TDs was horrible. maybe he was taking revenge on Maclin by hitting him hard because he couldn’t contain him all game.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
you're right
up to a certain point we can blame a player, but if the opposing WR puts up such numbers it must have something to do with the scheme and inability to adjust.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Look...
I’m not sugar-coating the win, but coming back from down 10, especially after last week, to win against the Eagles is huge.
Sure, Vick was hurt, but Vick was also had 3 TOs. It wasn’t a guarantee that he would have done better than Kafka. In fact, Kafka’s Eagles scored a TD and move the ball pretty well (this doesn’t say much). Isn’t it possible that Maclin drops a pass on 4th down from Vick?
Matt Ryan and the Falcons offense still had to capitalize on the TOs, which they did with TDs and zero FGs. They still had to drive the field for two TDs in the 4th quarter against the “Dream Team” defense. (Heck, due to a holding call, one drive started on their own 12.)
Thus, while I saw a lot of ugliness, I saw ugliness on BOTH sides of the field by BOTH squads, even when Vick and Asante (Rodgers-Cromartie’s not trash, either) were in the game. Look at the Packers, the class of the NFC. They D has been torched in two games, but they’re 2-0. After the debacle last week, the D stepped up when it had to and played well at times in this game, especially with Babs on the sideline.
At the end of the day, the Falcons are 1-1, which is exactly where we were at this point last season.
Good game (sort of), but I don’t consider this a “lucky” game. We made mistakes; they made mistakes. At the end of the day, we won.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Song of the game, Michael Vick edition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE
I’ll cop some heat, but I still liked Vick before today’s game. Liked. I didn’t mind cheering for him after he came back, I enjoyed watching him play, when the Eagles weren’t directly impacting our games I liked to see him have a few wins. But the second, the second he pointed to the scoreboard in the Dome, in our Dome, I lost all respect. I know that for someone who’s done some terrible, inhumane and undefensable things it appears odd that this is what tips me against him, but it just was. Childish, no respect. Have fun on the flight back to Philly mate.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Sep 19, 2011 8:06 AM EDT reply actions
You just now get this about Mike?
He’s always been sophomoric. Singlehandedly turned me away from the Falcons for 4yrs, I didn’t watch football because I didn’t want to root for another team and I couldn’t stand Vick.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 8:10 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Fair call
And I know a lot jumped off straight away. He was a childish quarterback, but he was MY childish quarterback. Anyone up for some reading google ‘Ben Cousins’, kind of similar situation with one of the all time favourites at my AFL club. I still have time for him, wouldn’t boo him, but if he showed any disrespect to the club I love and the club that gave him everything I’d be off his fan club so fast.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Sep 19, 2011 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
YES!
I been trying to tell my friends this, one an eagle fan and vicknut lover too, the others think he’s till great.
Listen the man can play on the field nobody can doubt that, but he’s such an immature person, it’s pathetic. Now, I know for sure, he aint changed at all as a person, he got rid of some friends, works with PETA but pretends to be someone he aint and never will be.
And I truly believe there will still be vick defenders, in ATL, or saying their falcons fans, if they do they say that, then truly their ignorant when it comes to respect for the game and maybe now the veil will uncover their eyes and then they’ll truly see what vick is – A very athlectic and gifted athlet, that has an even bigger ego, and cannot take criticism at all, unless he doing an interview, so he says whats scripted.
You can take the thug out of the streets, but you can take the thug outa Vick.
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 19, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree..
Me an my buddy are perhaps the only two Falcons fans in the Southern Tier of NY, and we were talking serveral years ago, pre-Schaub trade, how we’d rather trade Vick and his salary and start Schaub. Vick was fun to watch and could be the difference-make in a few regular season contests. But he’s lazy, he’s immature and he’s ignorant and will NEVER be a Super Bown – winning QB. About a year after our conversation, we traded Schaub to Houston and, well…..we all know the sequence of events that followed. Vick did his prison time, so I don’t hold his crimes against him per se. BUT, his overall character, from basically stealing years and tens of millions of dollars from our Falcons to being lazy, stupid and arrogant, all the while funneling this “stolen” money and effort – more effort than he put into being the best QB he could be – into degenerate people and a degenerate activity, I feel no shame cheering “CONCUSSED!!!!” at the top of my lungs. F#@k Michael Vick.
by HotLunch4You on Sep 19, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Are y'all kidding??
He’s playing for the EAGLES now. What did yall expect? For him NOT to try and beat us? For him NOT to react to us booing the hell outta him? Hahaha, there are worse things he could’ve done. Pointing at the scoreboard is pretty funny considering we came out with the win. To him, we were the enemy so yall calm down with that. Vick is still my boy, But not when my DIRTY BIRDS are playing against him. 35-31, US US US!!
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by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought he was on the coverage
then had it confirmed by the ever reliable Yahoo;
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Vick-points-out-scorebard-to-booing-fans-then-E?urn=nfl-wp7381
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by Turner_The_Burner on Sep 19, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
At least he used his index finger
instead of his normal pointing finger
by BlueFender on Sep 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe...
…he was pointing to his three turnovers? lol :o)
by HotLunch4You on Sep 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate Gonzo.
That is all
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Just cause y'all couldnt stop him
That is all
Some yards are better than no yards
I felt that that was obvious
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
He doesn't hate you but I can see where your coming from.
I hate Vick if that counts for anything.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 8:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup
He seems nice enough but he just signed his name in my Sports hate book lol
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Hey dude from fan to fan a loss like that sucks but
We, the Atlanta fanbase needed that game to go down like that. I saw more red, black and white #7 jerseys than one could imagine. I kept telling those folks that they sell those in green, which I really don’t mind so much, I mean if your gonna be a fan be a fan of the team. Sucks that Mike got hurt but that scoreboard stunt he pulled was just the icing on the cake and from now on those red and black #7 jerseys are losing stock here in ATL. The monkey is off our back, FINALLY and the puppy has been put to rest. Even if we lose 100-0 in the championship against the Eagles this was more than just a game to real Falcon fans, it was the end of an era. Forgive me if I seem like I’m gloating, I am just so happy to be done with the BS after all we have been through.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 9:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Recd....
Couldn’t have said it better myself
by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 19, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate him too.
But it’s just jealousy.

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Nah....not really. Bring on the Bucs!!
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by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I hate Trent Cole.
That is all.
Well, ok, that’s not all. please don’t tell Mr. Cole I said that. Sam Baker promised to watch my back if I stepped up and stated my opinion of ol’ Trent, but for some reason I’m not comforted by that pledge.
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by Heath13 on Sep 19, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
LOL!
Im soooooo happy the media will finally realize Trent is a freaking monster
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
not necessarily
he is really good, but whether he’s a “freaking monster” or not remains to be seen. Sam Baker struggled against good pass rushers for the majority of his career.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Well they are always touting that Justin Tuck is such
force and Trent and Tucks numbers are nearly identical. And Tuck did it with way less talented cast
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
FWIW
I’m on the Cole bandwagon.
Sure, Baker’s not the greatest LT, but he’s not that bad (or weak). He was not only slower than Cole, he was phyiscally inferior.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Lol cole has been doing this for 7 years
I really wish people would stop acting like he is this new player. Not aimed at you just me being frustrated at the slackness of the media.
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
I don't understand it either
It’s not like he’s playing in Buffalo or Jacksonville… Philly is a high profile market, and he’s been awesome basically from day 1. 2006-2010 only 2 players had more Sacks than Cole did: DeMarcus Ware and Jared Allen. The fact that he is still somewhat unknown (or at least criminally under-rated) just baffles me.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah, It's like Sam Baker has opened an all you-can-eat radioactive buffet in Japan...
He’s making monsters outta everyone, then stumbling around in panic as the latest Insert-Name-Here-zilla bears down on Matt “Tokyo” Ryan…
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
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He's not THAT bad...
I admit. My bias is based off being a Trojan fan…
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Yeah Trojans are supposed to protect but every now and then you get one with holes in it.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 9:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
Rec’d for awesomeness and truth.
I mean, heck, they weren’t able to keep Bush in check and they’re paying for it years later…
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
your prophylactic preferences should have no impact on this discussion... it makes no sense at all...
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
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Lighten up Heath, I saw my in, I took it so what if it failed to get a giggle
Would you like some coffee this morning?
Rule #1: Double tap.
my response was to Jman781, in the same spirit you had. going for cheap condomy laughs...
unfortunately i went for “dry and clueless” to the obvious irony in his post, when i should have just made a “well i guess Matt Ryan is pregnant” retort to be safe. Your well crafted barb popped up at the same time as my misfired spitball. All is well with everyone and Trojan™ brand condoms will surely see a sales spike based on this exchange…
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
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I personally...
Think Trent Cole is a top 5 DE in the NFL. A monster indeed.
by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 19, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I like you lol
"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail, should we fall, we will know that we have lived.--"Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness
Evil is relative…You can’t hang a sign on it. You can’t touch it or taste it or cut it with a sword. Evil depends on where you are standing, pointing your indicting finger. -Glen Cook The Black Company
Best article title I've seen yet.
Ryan rallies Falcons, Vick concussed
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
I'm never down with anyone getting a concussion. But yeah, Ryan is THE MAN.
Besides, this is GONZO’s House.
Falcons, Hawks, Braves, & GSU Panthers: We gotta win one for Atlanta.
by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Concussed is just a funny word
Nothing funny about being whipped into a 350 pound Guard.
by Falcons1133 on Sep 19, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was hilarious actually.
Not the concussion but the fact that he headbutted his own teammate was fantastic.
As a former football player and generally an all around nice guy I never wish an injury on anyone or find any pleasure in seeing anyone injured. But, the play was awesome.
by FLA_Falcon on Sep 19, 2011 10:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, Fantastic write-up
And honestly, more in-depth and timelier than the dang Atlanta paper that’s paid to cover them! Kudos. But I think you missed something. How about the two new guys in the secondary who appear much more competent, despite just two weeks in the system, than both DeCoud and Owens. And if I’m not mistaken, didn’t Decoud mess up yet another would-be endzone interception?
He would've caught it if Moore hadn't attempted to catch it
Can’t fault Moore on the play. He was just trying to make a play for his team and I don’t think he realized DeCoud had the better angle on the play.
by FLA_Falcon on Sep 19, 2011 10:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great Game
I don’t care how wins come, just that they show up. Gutty, gritty win for the Birds.
You have to like that no huddle offense. Ryan is a smart guy, and was making fantastic calls at the line. I realize Sam Baker had a bad night, but at some juncture, someone has to see that he is overmatched out there and (A) bring help, or (B) do something other than putting Ryan on a tee.
Was it just me, or was Chris Collinsworth a far better broadcaster after Vick went out? He had been saying “Michael Vick” so many times that it was refreshing to hear him talk about some of the other 21 players on the field, or hey, even the game situation.
Yeah me and my friend noticed it too
DUDES GOT A MAN CRUSH OR SOMETHING. He was constantly putting down the falcons.
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 19, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Baker is a liability
But he wasn’t alone. Hawley set us behind twice with false starts and RGGR was owned on several occasions. Heck, even Clabo let Philly put some hits on Ryan. Seems to me that only Blalock had a good game – including a lead block that setup one of Turner’s breakout runs.
As for NBC, if I didn’t know firsthand that the Iggles were playing our birds, I wouldn’t have known that the Falcons were playing. Their pre-game coverage was so infatuously dedicated to Vick and how great a human being he is now, that I don’t think i heard another player mentioned the entire time.
get used to it
media will always concentrate on something that attracts attention of an average viewer. it’s all about ratings and GRPs (Gross Rating Points) – so it’s pure business. they inflated this whole “Vick Homecoming” issue to earn more money. I doubt that any other storyline could create as many GRPs as this whole Vick thing.
on the other hand, I like it this way – let them speak about the opposition, as long as we keep winning
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I hear ya...
Some of these fairweather “Falcons fans” need to SHUT THE HELL UP. It’s not like we sell out our games anyway. So I’ll take media hype for out team’s games any day. For those Fans who are die-hard, NEVER LOSE HOPE!!!
Falcons, Hawks, Braves, & GSU Panthers: We gotta win one for Atlanta.
by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
CC is a horse-toothed jack ass
His commentary is about nothing but his closet man-love…not that there’ s anything wrong with that.
Stupid inner voice becoming outer voice...
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
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by Heath13 on Sep 19, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dunta
It doesn’t matter if he lead with his helmet or shoulder (from 2010 Player Safety Rules):
If a receiver has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself, a defensive player is prohibited from launching (springing forward and upward) into him in a way that causes the defensive player’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm to forcibly strike the receiver’s head, neck, or face-even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet, facemask, shoulder, or forearm is lower than the receiver’s neck.
He should be fined heavily, and might even get suspended one game (if they were ever going to really suspend somebody – and it wasn’t just lip service last year – this is the situation to do it; repeat offender, high profile game, etc).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
by orang3b on Sep 19, 2011 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Just sucks that the game has changed so much
That used to be the norm. if you came across the middle to catch a pass you got your head knocked off. Now you cant hardly do anything nowadays. Still couldnt believe they didnt call RTP for Ryan, happend at least twice.
Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 19, 2011 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions
if Dunta is fined or suspended
and the eagles player (was it Babin?) is not even fined – it would be injustice
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I know you always hear
the old saying ‘soon it will be flag football’ But it has some merit to it, I mean come on people! It is a contact sport! I understand the need to protect some players. But when is it going to far?
But when is it going to far?
When 50 year old ex-players are dying with dementia because they got their brains scrambled too many times.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
At some point that's the risk..
I am all for the safety of the game, but unless you don’t allow tackling, head injuries are a risk.
Every player is on the field voluntarily and is compensated well to take the risk. I don’t run the risk of head injury at my job, but I don’t get paid anywhere near the minimum salary of an NFL player.
If the players were forced on the field gladiator style, I would have a different opinion.
What about UFC? Boxing? Those sports also have risk, yet people still engage in them.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Not really.
When I was a young ‘un playing in the secondary we went after the rib cage. Guys remember losing their wind but they don’t lose their marbles from it.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He may well be suspended
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Mainly because this one is so blown up by the media.
by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 19, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
It is blown up
But no matter how you slice it, this was an insanely stupid hit for Dunta to make. Just wrap the guy up.
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he hit Maclin
because otherwise Vick kept hitting his man on the way to a 173 yd game, and Dunta just couldn’t stop him
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That may well be
But given last year’s hit, he had to be more aware of what was going on than that.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
honestly, was he even thinking about that in the heat of the moment?
Don’t we rag on these guys for not trying to make plays? What about that fanthom “leading with the helmet,” call on Abraham?
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He may not have been
But it all comes back to this: If Dunta’s first instinct is to hit that high and not wrap up, we’ve got a problem. If he was aware of it and thinking about it, then he did something really stupid. If he’s unaware of it, he needs to adjust the way he tackles.
Either way, it’s not great.
And the call on Abraham was crap.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So was the non-call against Ryan.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
It was
The fact that it’s being ignored rankles.
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It was dumb and a 15 yard penalty.
Not only for that game but for the next since im pretty sure he will be getting suspended.
To me those calls should be challengeable and appeallable
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I don't think that's going to get an awful lot of traction with the league, unfortunately
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
OT: Where does the money go?
If a player is suspended, he’s not paid for the games he misses, right? Thus, do the Falcons pay the league or do we save the cash? Somehow, I think the Falcons still end up paying someone.
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He should be suspended
If you flipped teams, Falcons fans would be crying murder, and justifiably so.
Might come down to the interpretation
of how much time he had to protect himself. Certainly Maclin was more prepared than Jackson was last year. Not enough to avoid being fined though.
I feel a lot better with Kelvin Hayden on the roster. Didn’t see much of Owens, outside of special teams.
Owens made a play last night.
I can’t remember the specifics, but I remember waking the baby when I screamed “He didn’t screw up!!!”
Yup
On the screen pass to Maclin (?) that lost a couple yards, just before the fourth down drop by Maclin to end the game. Until Mike Smith’s stopwatch and Bosher decided to open it back up again.
The question comes as to whether he officially launched himself
I’m trying to the remember the play but it was pretty late when I saw the game last night (i live in UK) and I don’t think it was actually a proper launch.
He'll be fined and sit a minimum of 1 game
Since he’s part of the reason they tightened up on these rules to begin with, don’t be shocked if he gets tagged with a 2 or 3 game suspension to use him as a “demonstration” of their newer player-friendly health policies.
James Harrison.
He started it all and had been fined almost every other game last year. I guess there will be lot of folks who had to be suspended before Dunta.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 19, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually the hit was intended for Maclin's torso area
Maclin is the one who knelt down low, bracing himself for the collision. If you watch the play again Dunta’s arm and shoulders were in a “form tackle” motion although his head was down. His only problem was he wasn’t square with the reciever (his head was down not up), which made it impossible for him to see that Maclin was balling up like a little bitch. Will the league consider this? Probably not, it’s unfortunate that this happened in one of his best games as a Falcon.
by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought....
I was the only one who saw that, Maclin kinda crouched up in receiving that hit. Like he was embracing for impact…but it is what is it. Here’s to no one getting fined….especially after the crap calls we got last night.
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by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I will say this
Cullen Jenkins ought to be getting something for his helmet-to-helmet on Ryan, too. That was pretty blatant.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
time for flag football....
Maclin had time to move his head and his body, besides that hit wasn’t even close to the one last year.
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dunta on dunta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P87odOeo_Lk
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Good game. We showed some determination, and didn't give up.
Just like I predicted TG feasted on their LB’s. Dunta’s call was close, he never left his feet, but he did dive/fall on another play for huge yardage. I need you all to see what hes doing. I know we wanted to keep Koenen but he got so much money from the bucs. I don’t blame him but I do miss him.
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 9:12 AM EDT reply actions
Stop with the DR complaining
Did you see how well he played in the first half? How about making comments on that? All of ATL’s DB’s were put at a disadvantage due to the pass coverage schemes. The soft coverage allowed the Eagles to make short catches and set up long runs after catch.
by mwalex on Sep 19, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He did play well in the first half
Unfortunately, it’s bound to be overshadowed by that one play.
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we need for quarters of play not 2
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I call it like I see it. We said tackling was a problem, well I think hes the worst at it.
Or should we wait until it cost us a few games.
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed.
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by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Your right I personally don't like him, and he doesn't have a habit ( that's becoming more obvious) of him falling and taking himself out of the play.
I won’t make anymore comments about him for now. But watch him objectively in past and future games and tell me you don’t see it too, now that I’ve mentioned it.
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Make comments
but how about not focusing solely on what you don’t like. That is what is getting old to me.
I actually started off with positives
And my post are positive going back to last year. My three or four post that included DR and his problems aren’t focusing on just what’s wrong. But I wouldn’t feel like a real fan if I ignored some problems. I thought this was the place to discuss positives and negatives of my favorite team.
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It is and you're right
being a fan doesn’t mean only seeing the positive. To me it means seeing both. No one should ignore problems, even though that seems to be a trend on the board, but all to often it can become a habit too see only what is perceived as a problem and focus there.
None of our DB’s are perfect. This is DR’s second game including preseason. He is better in bump and run, tight coverage as he played early in Houston. The schemes are making it difficult on him and all the DB’s/S’s.
Now that I completely agree with. Our zone D could be more aggressive.
I think my positive comments greatly out weigh my negative ones. This problem is just so frustrating because I think he can do better.
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree on doing better
I just hope that happens as he gets the rust off. My biggest concern is that the soft coverage is limiting his effectiveness.
I guess the question is how of it is the player vs. coaching/scheme
Because BG and Moore seem to do alright most of the time. But alot of teams find a way to continually beat it.
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by CollegePark4Life on Sep 19, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
BG got a good bit of safety support
last year which helped his stats. Moore’s numbers were all over the place with respect to effectiveness. We’ll see this year I suppose.
Major changes needed
We may have won – and Ryan again pulled out another 4th Quarter come-from-behind victory – but this Falcons team is NOT a playoff team. I don’t know if they are even a .500 team at this point.
Offense:
The offensive play calling was horrible. After running Turner up the middle with some success, they apparently felt that every first down should be a run up the middle. No play-action, no sweeps – just runs up the middle.
They never changed the snap count, and as a result, Philly was able to tee off on Ryan all night. Changing the snap count would have kept Cole and Babin on the back of their feet at the least and may have helped with the ridiculous pressure they were applying.
Julio needs to learn to come back to the ball. Typical rookie mistake that will get corrected.
All these weapons, and still no explosiveness.
I’m done with Mularkey and his conservative, predictable offense.
Defense:
Great first half, holding an explosive offense to 10 points. But that third quarter? WTF.
Dunta – stupid. Just stupid. You know the league has a special eye on you and you pull that crap?
I’m also done with BVG. We have some good corners and this guy has never heard of bump-and-run.
I’m hoping the Comrade gets in the ears of these guys and helps them find religion, because MM and BVG will help turn a Super-Bowl caliber team into a sub-.500 team at this rate.
I’m glad we got the win, but our OC and DC are costing us.
by The DW on Sep 19, 2011 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we won not because
but despite our playcallers’s calls. predictable playcalling, as always. had it not been for that Turner’s 61 yd run (which was 50% Turner and Co. and 50% luck) we’d have to entrust our punter punt it from our 15 or 20 yd line setting up another easy score by the Eagles. or, conversely would face a 4th down call.
apparently Ryan told the reporters that MM is the man who shoud be calling plays, but truth is this – his playcalling suits a team like the Steelers, not the Falcons with their ability to give up big plays on defense.
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And the big plays that are being given up on D
are also due to bas schemes. The DB’s need to be able to play more man to man.
I disagree that Turner's big run was 50% luck.
I think it was 50% Turner and Co., and 50% a worn down defense being exploited at their weak point (that is, the middle of the field). The Eagles defense is very stout along the perimeter of the field, but their LB corps is average at best.
Our strategy was to rush it up the gut and throw down the middle of the field on intermediate routes. There were certainly some plays where we were predictable, but the strategy on offense was executed well enough to beat a very good defense.
As a side note, Turner would have taken that to the house in 2008. Same thing with the long run against the Bears. Turner is still very effective, but he may have lost a step.
I used the word "luck"
in a sense that it might have come at a different time, but it came right when we needed it. say what you want about poor run defense of the Eagles, they stuffed him a lot last night.
what I meant to say is that had an eagles defender taken a slightly different angle and stopped Turner (just like on many other 2nd half carries by MT) we’d be in a hole and in need of a good punt from a rookie punter or some 4th down heroics from Ryan.
with all the mistakes and turnovers by the eagles we should have wrapped up the game long time ago, and instead, predictable playcalling (+ some boneheaded plays) kept the game close
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I see what you mean now. That makes sense.
The timing of the big run was definitely lucky, because we really needed a big play to shift the momentum back in our favor. But it was also a clutch play by Turner. As you mentioned, we would’ve been in a world of hurt had we ended that drive with another punt.
The crazy thing about Turner is that he’ll run right into a tackle a ton of times, and then—eventually—he’ll break through for a big play. It’s just tough to predict exactly when that big play happens. I give credit to the coaching staff (yes, even MM) for sticking with the game plan even though we were down. We abandoned the run far too early against the Bears. Last night, we kept pounding Turner into a brick wall until he busted right through it.
yes, Turner's success and his running style
hinges on a simple fact that repeated pounding will take its toll on the defenders sooner or later. and therefore it makes sense that he breaks on of those runs (a 61 yarder in this game and a 53 yarder a week before). problem is – if we fall behind too soon, it’s difficult to pull off a win just by running the ball and we’re forced to limit MT – and thus we can’t take advantage of this running style.
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As for losing a step
Turner may have gotten the TD in 2008, but he does not get that run AT ALL in 2009 or 2010.
I am pleasantly surprised at the speed Burner has shown 2 games in a row. Now to utilize it more effectively.
by Mnemonic on Sep 19, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yea.
Where the hell has that been the past 3 years? I think coverages have just blown him off now. Should happen alot more.
Hey you guys...
Did Brent Grimes really shut down Desean Jackson???
by Gallant Gambler on Sep 19, 2011 9:21 AM EDT reply actions
He was brilliant
Give Brent Grimes an enormous amount of credit.
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I was even impressed with his tackling!
Dude’s a stud. Truth.
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He shut him down without a doubt.
I’m pretty sure D-Jax had 2 catches for 21 yards, and only 3 targets.
If Grimes keeps doing stuff like this, then opposing QB’s will throw to the other side of the field more often. I think it’s safe to say Grimes won’t be the most targeted CB in the NFL again this year.
Soooo
Who’s starting for Dunta next week? Hayden?
Free LoMo and Free Hat
by a hooter's baby on Sep 19, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
If Dunta should be handed a suspension, I suspect either Hayden or Owens
Owens has actually performed well outside in the past.
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Owens did too.
Big read and react tackle on the 3rd down late in the ball game.
by dirtybirdy84 on Sep 19, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
He did, but I like him in the nickel
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If the "M" in MVP stands for "Monster",
then the “V” must stand for “Vegan”.
by grg on Sep 19, 2011 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Hayden looked like a pretty big dude.
He played good ball last night. Damn that game was crazy.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 9:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And Dunta. Please shave the beard
or at least change your name to Jehoshaphat or Abraham
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by a hooter's baby on Sep 19, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions
Ray Edwards.......lol
Something, somehow has been unleashed in that guy. He kinda proved me wrong last night he was everything but a lazy player.
Luckily...
We don’t have to judge any of our players based on the Chicago game, Matty Ice included!
It’s amazing what even a decent end opposite Abe can do. Sure, Vick had his moments, but all of the errors by the Eagles (and even Vick’s injury) were caused by pressure. That did exist last season, at least not against Philly…
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Good game. Even the ladies didn't want to tun the channel
Nice….
Anyway. What’s with the obvious hated we get off zebras? There were AT LEAST 3 obvious RTP on Ryan. A helmet to helmet near the beginning of the game, a late late hit, and the whole doin splits hit where they hit him in the head and horse collared….. no calls!!!! But Abe touches Kafka and even goes out of his way to keep him upright, and its 15 yards.._
Disgusting. If the refs are only gonna protect certain played and not others, we need new refs. If the refs are trying to influence the outcome of the game due to personal bias, we need new refs. If the refs are….. aw screw it, we need new refs.
by birdwatch on Sep 19, 2011 9:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Glad we got the win!!
sorry to say this, but if “hewhoshallnotbenamed” didn’t go down we would not have won this game. I really thought MR was gonna get hurt trent cole beat sam baker like he stole something.
How is that?
If Vick would have thrown Maclin that ball on 4th down would he have caught it?
by ATLien87 on Sep 19, 2011 7:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Bosher for President!
Thus, forcing him to resign from the Falcons.
Oh well, maybe we can find another guy to kickoff to the goaline or shorter and punt 18 yards…
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by Jman781 on Sep 19, 2011 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
See ya in January!
sometimes we question s**t that there is no anwer to but I just built a house on I dont give a f*k avenue
this one is not directly related to the game
some of you may have heard about what Falcons former coach Dan Reeves said about Mike Vick and the team. that the Falcons “abandoned” him when he needed them, and bla bla bla.
here’s a nice piece about this statement – from Peter King. Read Quote number 3
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When a guy lies to you, what are you supposed to do?
If someone lied to me and broke my trust, it’s pretty hard for me to believe them again. Instead, you wish him the best and say, “I hope someone else gives you a chance like I did, and hopefully you won’t screw it up.”
It worked out well for both teams. Dan Reeves didn’t know what he was talking about.
by ndnpride8806 on Sep 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Dan Reeves but...
Yeah, the Falcons were gonna cut this guy. Plain and simple.
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by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Maclin dropped that 4th down pass because of Dunta
Dunta may get fined/suspended for the earlier hit, but Maclin drops that 4th down pass because that hit was still fresh in his mind. This might sound harsh but thanks Dunta!
I love me some Kelvin Hayden and James Sanders
What HUGE pickups! Both of those guys contributed.
Sanders started for DeCoud (and after the Chicago game, a change was necessary.)
And Hayden showing Owens and Franks how nickel back is meant to be played.
Also, Owens learned a thing or two. Stopping that screen late in the game for negative yardage…hell of a play.
My 2 complaints
I dont understand how Sam Baker is still a LT in this league. He is an open door turn style at Left Tackle and I wonder why we didnt cut/trade him and resign Dahl. Svitek has to be able to do just as bad as Baker.
Why do we play zone so much on Defense? Every time they completed a pass we were in zone coverage and there was no one within 5-7 yards of the reciever. I would rather put dunta and brent in man coverage and say its on you then depend on them to be able to play good zone all game. When we play brees he is going to eat us alive if we dont fix this.
by Chandler Stewart on Sep 19, 2011 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
Svitek
Has actually performed WORSE than Baker in the past when he’s filled in.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Yeah, he's not the answer
I do think that either Baker improves or the Falcons find a new left tackle next season. I want to call DHHS with the abuse he takes from elite pass rushers.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Mr. Baker does seem to French it up whenever anything resembling a blitzkrieg occurs...
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Sam Bakers woes
may be partially because of the level of opposition – first week it was Peppers, now Cole. still, a starting LT on a superbowl bound (we hope so) team is supposed to protect his QB well. part of the blame is on coordinator – if Baker is being abused on every play, either take him out of the game or (since his backup is even worse) get a TE to help him out.
look what it does to Ryan. the line held up pretty good on some plays, but Ryan had happy feet. it’s as if he doesn’t trust his line anymore!
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Dunta on the hit, from the AJC
I saw him catch the ball. Last year, they said the receiver didn’t have time to see. He was a defenseless receiver. I saw him catch the ball. I saw him run, trying to get up field to score. So me as a defender, if I whiff on him, he’s probably is going to run around me and score a long touchdown. This is a physical football game. That’s the way I play. If don’t play that way, I wouldn’t make it in this league. I definitely didn’t think it was a dirty play. I’m not a dirty player. I don’t go out there and hit players illegally.
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What do you expect him to say?
It wouldn’t be a problem if he would just quit hitting receivers directly in the head.
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Like Cullen Jenkins?
It happens.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
It does happen
But it’s somewhat extraordinary that Dunta did it to two receivers on the same team in back-to-back years.
The Falcons have to wrap up. I don’t believe there was intent to harm, but what the hell is he doing launching himself with his arms down like that?
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
His right arm was up.
He never left his feet.
It’s not as bad as people are making it seem. It was bad, but nothing like last year.
The difference, at least last night: Robinson plays for the boring Falcons and Maclin plays for the hyped-Eagles. Thus, the over-the-top reaction by CC and the NBC team enhanced the “ugliness” of the play. Why didn’t they harp on Jenkins’s hit on Ryan? Because Ryan didn’t lay on the ground for a minute? Because Ryan isn’t an Eagle?
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
I'm not arguing that he didn't leave his feet
But like you, I watched that play probably a dozen times. His right arm may have been up, but not much. Feet were on the ground but he still went shoulder/head first.
It was terrible form. Instead of hitting low and wrapping him up, he went straight ahead and barely got his arms involved. Again, I don’t believe there was intent to harm, etc., but you have to do better than that when you have a history with the Eagles.
As for the announcers…yeah. They were fairly ridiculous last night.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I agree...
I feel it was a bad hit. I just feel NBC made it worse than it really was.
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NBC makes everything worse than it really is
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
3 years ago, the Announcer would have said "Nice Hit!"
I may be wrong, but at some point in the NFL, hits like that got awards.
by Falcons1133 on Sep 19, 2011 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Dunta is known as a hard hitter and that is his money maker, just like he said. With smaller faster recievers, you have to play to your strengths. He wouldnt have made that hit on JJ or Andre Johnson. At least, if he knows what is good for him. I, personally, think it is a physical game and that is a part of it. If you cant take that hit, then stay out of his zone (or the middle). I had not seen Maclin drop 1 single ball til after that hit, we know how that worked out. Biggest play of the game for Dunta, in my sick twisted mind anyway.
When you tackle period, you "lead with your head"
Dunta’s shoulders aren’t very broad, so there’s not much to hit with. He turned his shoulder just before impact, which is attempting to lead with your shoulder. Because of how small Maclin is + the way he was crunched up, there was incidental head contact. Even Smitty himself argued that it was a legal hit. If the coach isn’t pissed, then nobody should be upset, because you know coaches take moronic hits seriously. (Due to the nature of 15 yards and a 1st, if anything)
Plus, Maclin was back on the field a couple plays later. If the hit was THAT bad, he would’ve been out longer. He just had his bell rung.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Sep 19, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan did not give anyone a chance to comment on Ugly Hits
Because he just kept getting up, and, Like Rocky Balboa (ANOTHER Philadelphian, albeit fictional) said “You ain’t so bad, you ain’t so bad, you ain’t nothin’. C’mon, champ, hit me in the face! My mom hits harder than you!”
You don’t run that no-huddle if you’ve been rattled. Happy Feet, yes. He brought it together when it counted, though.
Comeback Wins.
Why is any one surprised by this, it was no lucky win. We had quite a few of comeback wins in last 3 years. Glad I was at the dome and with the dome rocking, it never felt the game was lost. With 9 min to go in 4th quarter and only 10 points behind I was confident Matt would pull off another comeback win.
It's all about Process...
The place was electric last night.
I’m glad I was there.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 10:26 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My concern is that he HAD to pull off another comeback
We gave up 21 points in one quarter and relinquished an 11 point lead. I love that we can count on Ryan for heroics, but that is not a good trend to continue with.
Agreed.
Things could have been lot easier, however Falcons offense showed we can score lot of points and hang on with High powered offenses. I hope this is a good Psychological boost for the team after we couldn’t keep up with GB last season.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not concerned about the O
I am worried about how quickly ATL went into a “prevent defense” last night. Up by 11 on the Eagles is nothing. BVG needs to go.
He's not going unless Smith goes.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Sep 19, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so sure about that
I think the Comrade will have a good bit of say in who stays and who goes. I doubt he tolerates mediocrity on either side of the ball after this season.
If the defense doesn’t step up to one of the top 12 to 15, I believe BVG will be let go.
That eleven point lead was gone in seven minutes
if anybody is in a slump it’s the coaching staff. Plus Matt Ryan is going to get killed out there. The Falcon defense has in back to back games allowed scoring “drives” of 70+ yards in four plays or less. Hard to see playoffs if that continues.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Sep 19, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO...
I love how everyone loves C. Owens tonight. He did well, but I’m still wondering
1) Why is he STILL on this team?
2) Another note, Is Bosher still with us? He needs to be released.
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by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:30 AM EDT reply actions
Owens did well tonight, I'll give him that though.
Falcons, Hawks, Braves, & GSU Panthers: We gotta win one for Atlanta.
by King_of_Hearts on Sep 19, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I think he's better suited for the outside
And he may be getting his chance soon.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Sadly...
I think Bosher is, and will remain, a Falcon, at least for next week’s game.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
ARENA LEAGUE, Anyone?
Thats where we found Matt Bryant. I’m sure there is a glut of better Punters to be had.
by Falcons1133 on Sep 19, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhhh...
1. Chris Owens is a pretty solid 4th CB to have. He’s not in the nickel. It’s why we signed Hayden.
2. Bosher isn’t going to get cut unless he costs us a game. I’d rather have had Ken Parrish though.
by ndnpride8806 on Sep 19, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How they could call Abe for roughing the passer against Kakfa...
I’ll never know. He didn’t even knock Kafka over.
For both sides, there was some absolutely awful officiating.
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Sep 19, 2011 10:41 AM EDT reply actions
That was definitely weak sauce...
We can debate the Robinson hit all day, and it likely was too much, but the call against Abe was a joke. Period.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
We can agree on that
Some embarrassing calls there.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 19, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Kakfa was suprised.
Abe basically tripped into him. I guess the league wants player to go full speed and stop on a dime. smh.
Unrelated.
My Brady/Grontkowski combo is killing in our FF league.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Sep 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
My Arian Foster/Knowshon Moreno
Combo is killing me for other reasons…
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Since we're OT
That Lions game scares me now.
Geez.
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
Giants fan here. Made it sort of a habit to thank any team that beats a division rival.
So thanks for beating the eggs! And please beat up the Bucs for me, they annoy me for some reason.
Team Greg Jones
Team Jerry Reese
by BigBlueIntervention on Sep 19, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions
Bucs Annoy me too!
Not as much as the Saints, but I know what ya mean!
by Falcons1133 on Sep 19, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You're welcome
And we fully intend on beating the Bucs.
Game Theme Song?
“Prison Sex” by Tool; it’s about Trent Cole and Sam Baker. I’ll let you listen and figure it out….lol.
I bet Bakers Legs and Chest HURT!!
Getting hammered in the chest and staggering back like that all night long has to be tough on the glutes and quads. I bet his ego is bruised too! He got eat up and spit out by Cole. Luckily we got the win.
GONZO block was as MONSTER as his catches!
Turner pulled off a big run earlier in the game because Gonzo literally pushed the entire Eagles DLine to his left 5 yards sideways and opened up a giant hole. Thats some power!
This game kind of has Green Bay last year written all over it
Meaning, we won a gamewe shouldn’t have, with infinite breaks going our way, and will probably wind up seeing the same team in the playoffs ready to destroy everything we hold sacred. Except the sloppy version of that.
I wouldn't say we didn't deserve to win
The “dream team” defense of the Eagles didn’t hold- up Vick or no Vick. If we had sacked Kafka like 4 times and picked him off, then maybe I’d agree with your statement. Kafka came to play and made some big time throws and was in position to win it for them. I think it was a hard fought win for us ad Matt showed some moxy taking the abuse he did.
Breaks?
The Eagles had more than a few spots, calls and no-calls go their way. Babin should have been called a dozen times, Abe gets the roughing the passer penalty, but the face-to-face on Ryan doesn’t get called, at least 2 VERY generous spots, etc. Not saying we got nothing, but they Eagles certainly got more than we did.
by HotLunch4You on Sep 19, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Did people see all the plays
where Abe had a hand in his face mask or under his face mask? None of those were called.
A few observations.
What a terrible 3rd qtr followed by a brilliant 4th. It’s amazing how quickly I went from furious to the relief that somehow they won. I will say that if Vick stayed in the game I have serious doubts our Falcons get that W. I give my reason why below. First some positives before I get out my 3 big gripes.
Nice to see our WR core play so well against a stout secondary. Gotta love Gonzo of course. He looked like he was in his prime. Julio is turning out to be what we expected. One. Thing we didn’t see was Matt calm & firing quick passes till the 4th. Wish we could get a whole game of that. Our linebackers & D-line had a solid night IMO.
Here is the 4 things I want to see the most improvement on:
1. Our secondary still needs so much improvement. They let the 3rd string QB have a shot at winning this game. Had Vick been in there, the Eagles probably score on their last drive. If our secondary is letting Kafka complete 30 yd passes then this team has a long way to go before they can convince me that they could beat Rodgers & the Pack in a NFC title game. It’s so hard to watch week after week of teams slinging the rock for 15+ yd gains routinely.
2. We need a new punter signed. Today… That was like watching a high schooler at times. I’m sure Bosher is a nice guy and all but giving the opponent so great starting positions will kill this team against elite opponents.
3. I have to ask if our coordinators are getting the job done. I’m already sold on getting rid of BVG after the first couple of weeks. A soft D week in & week out gets you nowhere far in the playoffs. Now, MM has me questioning him too. ATL was most successful last night when Matt was running no huddle or calling audibles at the line. Makes me think we should just let him call the plays. If MM isn’t going to get the right schemes going at least let Matty Ice light it up & take control.
4. For the love of God our O-line needs to step up before they get Matt injured. Thats 2 weeks in a row where he has hit the turf 4 times, Unacceptable. That needs to be fixed ASAP. It shows when Matt is scrambling as much as he has that he is not comfortable & doesn’t trust the line yet. That us causing the offense to be totally out of sync and ineffective.
All in all, huge sigh of relief they won, but still haven’t seen this team show me they can win the NFC yet. Good news is there is still plenty of time to improve and make the necessary changes, no matter how hard it is to do.
The chances of seeing one of your childhood teams win their respective championship is quite small. Yet, I'll continue to root for my teams and cling to that small hope while I still can.....
by ATL Fan in TN on Sep 19, 2011 11:55 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Vick.
When Vick limped off the field, Eagles up by 3 not 10. If Vick stayed on who knows he could have fumbled it two more times. Vick was well contained by the defense specially on the plays 11+ yards. Pat on ESPN NFC South blog had some good stats on how bad Vick was when throwing the ball down field. I guess Kafka played better than Michael Vick,especially the big throw in the final drive was a well thrown ball.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I felt like his 3rd qtr play was getting better so that’s why I felt they would’ve hung on to win.
Thanks for the correction on the 3 or difference. Forgot about that. I chalk that other 7 to the refs call on Abe. Couldn’t help but want to throw something at that play.
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by ATL Fan in TN on Sep 19, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Time to start weening Bosher free.
I think that we will start seeing a new holder for M Bryant very soon. Start giving this kid some strong signals of what is to come if he does not tighten up. 1 more game to prove his worth.
This was a big win
Matt needs needs full control of this offense. Smitty needs to realize that Matt can run this offense close to perfection. I still see us as a wildcard which I love cause if Matt can get a road playoff win that will build his confidence for the playoffs in general.
There were a couple of German guys sitting behind me last night.
At least, I Think they were German. They had pretty thick accents. They also clearly didn’t know much about football. They said things like:
“Is he going to kick off?”
“No, it’s 4th down, so he’s going to punt”
“But, he’s not going to kick it?”
and
“Which goal is ours?”
and
“Oh my god, it’s one and seventeen!” (it was 1st and 17 after a penalty)
In the second half, THEY were successfully predicting Mularkey’s playcalling.
by vanb on Sep 19, 2011 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Matt needs full control of the offense
He is flat out surgical in the no huddle. Why we aren’t using it more often is beyond me.
BVG + Blitzing
I don’t think any of you are giving BVG enough credit for the blitzes he dialed up. Utilizing Edwards as more of an anchor and turning Abe lose enabled us to bring pressure from the corners, safeties and LB’s. Not to say that is an excuse for Dunta’s poor play and yes, more Man coverage could help us. Kudos to Grime’s coverage.
Never play man against a running QB.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
He started off fine
But the meltdown in the third quarter was due to playing soft defense with a lead. BVG has yet to put a 4-quarter defensive strategy together, and that’s my biggest issue with him now.
There’s too much talent on this defense to dial it back to soft zones when you have an 11 point lead on a team like the Eagles.
Spot on
as soon as ATL went up by 11 points BVG called prevent schemes. The Eagles laugh at 11 point leads, which they did last night.
You can play man against a running QB if you have a very good “spy” following him. Nicholas was spying Vick last night and did a pretty job. Push comes to shove play a 4-2-5 and have an athletic safety, like Moore, spy Vick.
Often wondered
why we dont play a 4-2-5 more often to help in our shitty coverage sometimes. Use Moore like a hybrid linebacker role. We had Coleman to drop back at pure SS role and now we have Hayden. I would much rather see this than the 3-3-5 that we sometimes deploy.
Agreed - and finally seeing the light
Last night’s game was a wake-up call. The first half was a good game plan. Limiting the Eagles to 10 points when they had good field position was a huge victory. That 3rd quarter was a complete coaching failure. To let one receiver rackup over 170 yards receiving is horrifying.
As for Vick, we did well containing him for most of the night and forced him into making mistakes. I thought the pressure was good – especially from PJ – which tells me we do have the talent for a very good defense. I’m now convinced that our defensive woes come down to coaching.
Good summary Choate
I am not a BVG fan, but I will say the falcons were better prepared for the gadget plays this year than they were last year. (of course they just implies they were not ready last year). Also, whatever scheme they had to control Vicks runnning was good enough. the defense was impressive inside the 10 (reverse Abe’s miscues and turn 2 TDs into FGs – Philly only scores 23 points)
We all get frustrated seeing so many plays being given up underneath the safeties in the middle of the field – so many 3rd and longs converted – soft zones – so I am also a serious BVG doubter – but he does do some things well apparently. Another DefCoord will have to implement schemes that will have tradeoffs and must fit the talent. Whatever those tradeoffs are, they may not result in a better bottom-line. Just beware what you wish for.
prevent defenses are for wusses.
the eagles had to get downfield to score touchdowns and come from behind. bring the heat. there are very few instances where a prevent should be used or desired.
EAGLES PLAYS
Could the Falcons run the same plays as the Eagles with our personnel??
No
How are you going to run a swing pass with Michael Turner in the backfield?
The plays we have are good. The Falcons just seem to not call them at the right time…unless it’s no-huddle.
by ndnpride8806 on Sep 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you saying that Jaquizz can't catch a swing pass?
Or a screen pass? Our WR’s can’t catch screens, run reverses?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Sep 19, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Screen Pass.
Catching is the easiest part in a screen pass. For screen to result in big plays the RB/Receiver should make nifty moves,make tackles miss and also the blocking is important. For what is worth Norwood was good in those screen plays. Usually good screen RB/recievers are punt/KO returners who can weave around. Quizz with some practice might become a good screen player.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Sep 19, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But if Quizz walks in, don't defenses know a screen is coming?
That’s why I actually liked the call of him running up the gut. He looked like a Warrick Dunn clone with that clutch 10 yard gain. Very unexpected run.
by ndnpride8806 on Sep 20, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
FYI on that Quizz run
Matt Ryan audibled that run up the gut because of what he saw on the defense.
by The DW on Sep 20, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone is missing out on one important key from early in the game.
Spoon’s spoon it in celebration! I so want a gif of this.
I credit Samuel L Jackson with helping the Falcons Rise Up !
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

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