Falcons Camp Battles: Dominique Franks And Chris Owens
I'll be hurriedly sifting through a handful of key camp battles before we get to the pre-season. You might have to jog a little to keep up.
Today's battle involves the team's nickel cornerback combat, which has already reached "oft-discussed" status around the Interwebs. It pairs a talented cornerback who still had third-degree burns from the Packers game against a punishing tackler who has very little in-game experience at the NFL level. At this point, neither are a threat to the starting tandem of Dunta Robinson and Brent Grimes.
After the jump, let's meet our gridiron gladiators.
Chris Owens
If the Falcons were the kind of team that offered positions based solely on experience, Owens would get it. Of course, Mike Smith's middle name is Merit, so that's not going to happen.
Still just 24, Owens remains a sure tackler and a quality part-time cornerback. When he got some run his rookie season, he actually did very well, accounting for three pass deflections, two picks and one very memorable game where he made Terrell Owens look like an old fool.
Given that, he's locked in to a roster spot. Yet he has to be considered the underdog in this training camp battle, for a couple of reasons.
- The Green Bay game. One game shouldn't necessarily determine a player's fortunes, but Owens was spectacularly bad against the Packers. His coverage was, to put it mildly, abysmal. For that reason, he remains the face of that horrible loss among fans, and whether the coaching staff likes to admit it or not, their faith in his abilities had to be a little shaken.
- He never seized the nickel spot last year. Despite real opportunities to do so, Owens needed an injury to Brian Williams to take over nickel duties. While there he still tackled well, but his coverage was never so good that you knew he belonged there. By all accounts, he's not exactly seizing it in camp, either. For Owens, talent is still outpacing production.
For the record, I think Owens is a valuable player, and I don't think his confidence is too badly dented by the Packers game. But even though I think he'd be up to the nickel role, he's going to need a very impressive showing to get it. Them's the breaks.
Dominique Franks
Speaking of impressive showings...
Franks has been tearing it up at camp so far, flashing soft hands to go with his well-regarded tackling skills. That's a fancy way of saying young Franks hits like a train carrying a load of bricks.
The biggest hurdle for Franks is a lack of real game experience. In very limited snaps in 2010, he managed to pick a pass and get one tackle, so you know he's capable of something. But I suspect even the coaching staff isn't entirely sure how he's going to look matching up against a slot receiver for an entire game. The only way to find out, of course, is to play him.
I think he'll win the job. Franks has immense physical talent and seems like a humble, can-do kind of guy, which the Falcons always love. While there's no guarantee he's better at coverage than Owens, by all accounts he's shining in that aspect of his game in practices. If he can do well in pre-season action—and he's going to get plenty—then he's got the inside track.
I still see Franks as a future starter, too, so it would be a nice first step for him. Owens will still have considerable value as a fourth cornerback.
What do you all think? Owens or Franks?
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Rough diamond...
And probably the biggest rough diamond on the roster in my opinion. Definite future starter, and with Grimes only on a 1 year deal, who knows when he may be called upon… maybe 12 months down the line. Time to get him as many snaps as possible as the #3 CB.
Lord please..........
Dimitroff if you read this please go out and get a veteran defensive back that can play the nickel. Hell I’d even take Brian Williams back, can Deion Sanders still run? Anybody but Owens, I can’t see a big difference between Dominique Franks and Chevis Jackson besides 40 times. Shit! We’re in trouble!
Might want to turn down that second cup of coffee nex time.
Owens had one bad game. He probably learned a lot from it. I’d hold off on the panic for now.
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Totally agree
How people can crucify Owens for a bad game against the hottest QB in the league, one of the best WR corps in the league and with very little playing time is beyond me.
It's not very hard, actually...
I live up in Redskins land and could only watch two games last year. The first was Philly, which left large, gaping wounds in my psyche. The second was the playoff game, which poured salt into those wounds. As flat as the whole team seemed in that game, the player who stood out to me – in a bad way – was Owens.
Kinda depends upon what you mean by justified...
If that’s the entire sample size from which to build an opinion, there really isn’t any other conclusion to draw. It may be a skewed, house-of-mirors image that completely distorts reality, but if it’s all you have, it’s all you have.
That said, I hope he really is better than that GB game indicates. MUCH better…
I agree somewhat
But you could also assume that the sample set is small compared to the games you didn’t see and that it was atypical.
Regardless, I understand how you feel. We use what we see to draw our conclusions. I hope Owens proves you wrong this season.
Owens proves you wrong this season
Maybe he will, but Dave made a couple of good points in his write up that bear repeating and area possibly larger concerns than the GB game.
Given that he is a 3rd rounder, and couldn’t seize the nickel position last year, and it looks like he can’t this year and in fact stands to be beaten out by what is in essence a first year player, you have to wonder not only when but if he will develop.
As to the GB game, it wasn’t being beaten by a hot QB and a good set of receivers (the NFL does have those) alone, but that he looked completely lost, completely. That speaks to being unprepared and not ready to compete, and if you can’t get to that point for that type of game, I have to question the kid’s moxie.
It is for those reasons that my expectations are way low for this kid, but I sure hope he proves me wrong.
Yet again
It all the player and none of the scheme.
How much playing time did Owens ahve for the entire season? Wasn’t he still injured when he went into that game?
As far as him getting beaten out this year at nickel, you have nothing to substantiate that comment. Have to seen anything to back up your statement? Doubt it.
Your exepctations are low on every player that doesn’t hit elite status the first two games of the season.
Owens suffered a back injury
Which is why Williams took over the nickle. He was forced back before the Packers game because Brian Williams legs fell off, and Owens could still stand on both legs. He was not 100% in that game, not to mention rusty because he had been benched because of injury.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 5, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Owens was also terrible
Against the Bengals. But I still think he can be a good player and improve.
Okay
Two games. Did Ryan have two terrible games last year? I think so.
Owens play when he was starting on a regular basis, 2009, was good.
by mwalex on Aug 5, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
2009.
We were REALLY thin at CB that season…Brian Williams was a last second addition to the roster, and then had a season ending injury against the Bears (in week 4 or whatever it was).
I felt like Owens stepped up and did pretty well as a rookie CB in ’09. He started the last 6 games of the year. In fact, last year at around this time, there was some debate as to whether Grimes or Owens should start opposite Dunta.
Owens is still young, and he’s got talent. I’ve complained as much as anybody else about his performance in the the Packers game. But I’m also glad the coaching staff is giving him a chance this season, and will forget about last year’s Pack game when he starts playing well.
It's not exactly just one bad game
Yes, the Packers tore him up but go back and watch the Cincy game. Every time Terrel Owens or Chad Johnson lined up from him Carson Palmer locked in on them. It was shameful to be honest. The Pack obviously watched that game film and knew who to go after.
At the very least, Franks gives us something different. I’m not sure if it’s good or not but it is different.
by FalconsFan721 on Aug 5, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did I ever mention Owens +Packers' game in my comment?
LOL I didn’t think I did. I never liked the idea of Owens in the starting lineup, let alone as the nickel corner.
You guys are funny.
I think Owens is a decent option.
He played pretty good his rookie season but then last year he took a step back. I believe that he had to learn how to play the nickel spot the same as Grimes had to before he became a starter. I think we’ll see an improved Owens this year. I don’t know much about Franks, but if he’s moving around in that nickel spot better than Owens then he should get the spot.
Damn you're defensive
Did anyone say that you mentioned Owens and the Packer game? No, they didn’t. Take a pill or something.
So now that we’ve all cleared the air on what you did or did not say, what exactly has you in such a panic about Owens and Franks at nickel? What did you see in their limited snaps in 2010, aside obviously from the Packers game, that has you so worried?
Really at this point there is no one else left in Free Agency
That could have as much value as either Owens or Franks. And by value I mean they are already ingrained in the system and know what schemes we run. I would rather sign a Vet as a backup not as a starter
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Aug 5, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
What about
Brandon Carr? I haven’t seen where a team has signed him and this kis has some starting experience. If he has signed I must have missed it. If not, he makes a lot of sense for Atlanta.
by FalconsFan721 on Aug 5, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He signed with the Chiefs. He was a restricted free agent
The Chiefs had placed a first-round tender, and we don’t have any 1st round picks
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Aug 5, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
We may want to sign a player familiar with our defense then. I know that Brian Williams and Chevis Jackson are still free agents that won’t cost much to sign.
by FalconsFan721 on Aug 5, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Chevis Jackson
was dropped by the Falcons and whatever other team just dropped him for very legit reasons.
I understand that
The only reason I mentioned him is his familiarity with our defensive scheme.
by FalconsFan721 on Aug 6, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, I would take Franks' potential over Owens' portfolio...
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Franks has bigger ceiling
Franks has the speed to keep up with most of the receivers in the league. At 5’11", he’s not huge, but he won’t be stomped out either. His issue has always been the sloppiness in his technique. Thankfully, that can be fixed. If he can be coached up, I think Franks has the most potential of the two.
franks
is physical physical physical physical physical….. he reminds me of a none injury prone foxworth with the speed to keep up with most receivers on a antonio cromartie frame… this guy could be something special
by falcolicmsudawg33 on Aug 5, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions
Owens is physical too. I've seen him hit during games and it was pretty impressive
for someone his size to take on much bigger opponents.
Saw Owens at Camp...
… I actually saw him on one side of the field, then a cloud of brimstone smoke and he was on the other side of the field, intercepting a pass meant for Roddy.
I think the Packers game has been motivation for him all off-season, which I understand was spent intercepting RPG’s in Afghanistan, and then hurling them back at the Taliban. He’s ready to dish out some embarrassment for oppposing QB’s.
by Mnemonic on Aug 5, 2011 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Exploited
The fact that we are questioning either guy sux. It shows its still our weakness and we were exploited at that spot on the big stage…whoever the guy is that fills the position better be ready cuz teams will be going at those guys hard all day long.
by Bigru3 on Aug 5, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
And that's where I blame the coaching staff.
The nickel position has to be learned. The year prior, when Owens started on the outside opposite Grimes, he did a good job. People forget that Grimes went through the exact same growing pains as Owens. So in the GB game, why not have Grimes go to nickel and put Owens on the outside where he showed he could play? We had nothing to lose. I blame that game on the coaches. GB made adjustments from the previous game. We didn’t.
Just a reminder
I know we all carry the disappointment of the GB game with us, but I think there was more to it than Owens playing terribly (which he did):
1) Aaron Rodgers was playing out of his mind. The guy was making amazing plays all day long. I don’t care what kind of D you have, when a guy plays like that, he’s nearly unstoppable
2) The GB receivers were making circus catches all day. Grimes played really well and his coverage was excellent, but some of those catches just couldn’t be defended.
3) GB showed up in playoff mode, whereas we limped into the playoffs. Momentum makes such a huge difference in the mental preparation, and losing to New Orleans towards the end of the season sent us into the playoffs with a down mental game.
I really believe what TD and Smith said, about needing explosiveness. Watching the GB game was painful, because the backdrop of the season told us that this team was not built for rapid scoring. We were perfect at ground and pound, but completely ill prepared for the shoot-out. I think the necessary personnel moves were made during the offseason.
We also...
missed allot of tackles in that game…I counted at least five times Falcons defenders had their hands ON Aaron Rodgers and failed to execute the tackle and he’d squirm away and complete a pass.
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Green Bay Who?
I’ve erased that game from my mind, please don’t bring up old shyat!
We missed tackles all season
If you view the season-ending PFF rankings for just about every DEF position, there’s a Falcon on just about every “Most Missed Tackles” list. Decoud, Abe, Babs, Lofton (given, his knees were basically jelly last year), and Grimes all need to be surer at tackling.
Yeah we did
Looking at the Tackle Factors for theD only Lofton had a TF greater than 1.00. Grimes was second at 0.93
True...
I was only responding to the Green Bay game mentioned as it was REALLY exploited in that game. It was a season long problem and drove me mad the whole season.
I really hope that this is getting serious attention during pre-season this year!! Man, if we can start tackling better this D is going to be damn good!! Top 5 even…but that’s just my opinion.
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Good point about
Grimes. He had growing pains too.
Man I was
thinking the same thing. Owens did show he could play outside. Heck I would have even loved to see BVG put him on the line at the slot and blitz him. He’s a good tackler so that would have made Rodgers have to make a quick decision. And third and long someone makes the tackle before the 1st down. I feel sorry for Owens because I think he’s a decent CB caught up in a scheme thats just not going to work to his benefit. Or as you said move Grimes inside but then Grimes is probably used to playing outside now so might have had the same results with that strategy. But I do agree not much to lose there. We also know now that he was playing with a hurt back too. As we now know there were quite a few falcons playing hurt, I believe I actually saw the play where Turner hurt his groin but it didnt look serious at the time. Maybe this year there will be added consistant pressure with Edwards and that will help the secondary, lets hope.
I agree with that
We were so conservative with the adjustments.
by Bigru3 on Aug 5, 2011 11:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Competition is good!
In the end it might be a ploy by Mike Smith to make both players better by fighting for a spot. If both of them show promise and improvement, we might be set for the Nickel spot. However TD might be waiting for more Cap casualties, but getting a new player and have him contribute immediately will be a challenge.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 5, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the key
Bringing guys in and expecting them to immediately contribute in a scheme they don’t know is unrealistic. Only the absolute best (like an Asomougha) can have that kind of immediate impact, and even that caliber of player will often struggle his first year in a new system.
At this point, I think it would be best to dance with the one who brung ya.
DW
Re read DWs 7:51 comment. He hit the nail on the head.
What stands out to me as far as Owens vs. Franks...
Owens is fast, and has excellent control of his speed, but his coverage has been inferior to Franks during this preseason, and Franks is so much more physical one-on-one against receivers. If I had a vote, I’d go with Franks all day.
JT
by Jeanna Thomas on Aug 6, 2011 8:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs

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