Falcons Shore Up Troubled Secondary In Two Short Days
Thomas Dimitroff heard your roster-related lamentations and, in a voice booming with thunder, said "Would you people just wait five minutes?!"
Falcons fans are not, to put it mildly, a patient bunch. When we see a problem, we hit the self-destruct button and dive into an escape hatch. It’s not necessarily a critique of the bulk of Falcons fans, but it’s true that each of the last four off-seasons has been an exercise in extreme mood swings, especially during pre-season. Less charitable people would term it as a "collective freakout" or "hysterical response to virtually nothing," but I’m not a less charitable person.
As usual, time heals all wounds. The Falcons quietly waited until roster cuts were in and they had a chance to evaluate their own talent before striking like a front office cobra, signing former Patriots safety James Sanders Tuesday and former Colts cornerback Kelvin Hayden. Both, I should note, were at least part-time starters in 2010.
Regardless of whether these guys end up starting, signing both was an exercise in low-key brilliance. James Sanders either steals a starting job from Thomas DeCoud and excels or becomes a great third safety, one who can come in on clear passing downs and make an impact. Kelvin Hayden either wins the nickel job or provides solid veteran depth in case of an injury, and is able to mentor the talented Dominique Franks. Both guys, in short, either make great reserves or capable enough starters.
Neither player is perfect, and they didn’t have jobs for a reason. Hayden has legitimate injury concerns. Sanders is a liability against the run, to the point where Shann Schillinger may be the preferable option on obvious rushing downs. Both need to learn the playbook very quickly. When you consider the collective inexperience and question marks around everyone from Dominique Franks to Rafael Bush, though, the front office clearly felt the need to pull the trigger.
What happens next, considering the Falcons have to cut down to 80 players? Chris Owens could get the boot, or an undrafted free agent type like Kamaal McIlwain. Chauncey Davis and his fancy salary could be looking for work, too, if the Falcons want a little more cap breathing room.
That’s all for the next day or two to determine. What is clear is that the Falcons just got better, without a clear downside. That’s the kind of thing every Falcons fan, even the ones in lead-lined bunkers, can get behind.
What say you?
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While being cautiously optimistic during the preseason,
I have felt that we’d probably be ok, but there was still that nagging sensation, like when you think you might have forgotten to use protection that night of the wild party.
The results are in… deep breath. Ahhhh everything is fine and rosy once again in Falcon land.
by GA-James on Aug 31, 2011 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Just to clear things up,
Is Falcon land Plan B?
by PurpleDRANKnotJUICE on Aug 31, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So...
What’s next?
I feel pretty good about the secondary, which has been a primary concern for this team.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Aug 31, 2011 7:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Got win on win on win
Ill feel better when I see the new signings in action however. Then again, not exactly hard to be better than the guys after moore/decoud and grimes/robinson
Not sure what
James Sanders brings to the table, reminds me of Erik Coleman (a solid starter w/liability)
Although I look at Kelvin Hayden as a great pick up for veteran depth or NB.
NO WAY Sanders takes DeCoud’s spot, unless for relief of Mr. TwentyAte’s thirst… NO WAY!
by CaliFALCON on Aug 31, 2011 10:42 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
The thing that encourages me most about this...
Is the speed with which we made these moves. I don’t know anything about these players… But if you trust our leadership’s ability to evaluate talent (which I think most of us do), then the fast turnaround tells me that we knew these were the players we wanted, and it was just a matter of seeing if they were released. This doesn’t appear to be a desperation move… It appears to have been done confidently and with calculation, and that’s what encourages me the most.
by cheshire falcon on Aug 31, 2011 7:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Regardless of what Smitty says about expectations this year
You can tell we expect to compete for a Super Bowl because of moves like this. In past years we would have let the rookies get some playing time if they are competent and see if they can grow into their potential. Now I feel like we need production, and we’re not going to mess around if no one shows they can handle the job. Nice work by TD here, and it definitely makes this team better.
by orion12 on Aug 31, 2011 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
ONE WORD DESCRIBES THESE 2 SIGNINGS
CHECKMATE!
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
yes
it’s the final move of chess, not an australian playing chess and putting someone in check, then yes that would be 2 words – " check, Mate". But I meant, it’s the last move we needed to make to end all hopes for all the other teams. lol
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 1, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate to be Mr. Negativity, but don't get too excited about the Hayden signing
I remind you that we have another corner on the roster who has started his fair share of games in the past. I present to you… Chris Owens. Now, one man’s trash can be another man’s treasure (simply ask any Lions fan about Chris Houston). But I’m not getting too excited about that signing yet. I see it as a veteran presence who can provide tips, mentor, but also push both players to play better (although if a head to head competition doesn’t push them, will a third party make a huge difference?). The Sanders signing I really like. I don’t think he will start, but he should contribute on special teams, and provide some good rest for the starters. Good signings overall, but nothing to get too excited about.
"He has lived up to the legendary billing... And the legend is born in Calvin Johnson!" -Wes Durham
by sportsfan4life2012 on Aug 31, 2011 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I do think these signings will make a big difference.
It will put everyone on their toes, especially the fringe players. Our secondary has been the laughing stock of the NFC for years now and I think this sends a clear message to the team and league that we aren’t playing around.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 31, 2011 8:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
They are a little bit different
Chris Owens has 2 year of experience and has started 9 games. Kelvin Hayden has 6 years of experience and has started 46 games, appearing in 77. He has also started 6 playoff games, including 2 Superbowls. He sealed the Colts win in the SB by returning an interception for a touchdown. He is the only player on the Falcons current roster with a Superbowl ring, and one of very few with a playoff win. He played well enough to earn a $43million dollar contract, something Owens is not even close to. True injuries prevented him from seeing out that contract, but to compare Kelvin Hayden to Chris Owens does him a disservice.
by Mosugo on Aug 31, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Doesn’t James Sanders have a ring?
Not yet. But soon.
by grg on Sep 1, 2011 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
How is this not green yet?
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Well done, sir.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
um, yeah, thank you
I’m not sure how you can even begin to make a comparison between Hayden and Chris Owens. One has been a starter in the league for years and has a SB ring… the other has only been in the league for a couple of years, seen very little playing time, and when he did, the results weren’t good.
by cheshire falcon on Aug 31, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
I hoped by sparking some controversy about the signing, I would get a decent amount of background on him. Granted, Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl start and ring… In all seriousness though, I hope that this will be a great difference-maker for us and boost us to a potential Super-Bowl favorite (and not just in Peter King’s opinion). Hayden is definitely the more experienced veteran, but Owens is not the inexperienced kid that Franks is. The way things are looking, Owens could be one of the first admitted mistakes of the TD era.
"He has lived up to the legendary billing... And the legend is born in Calvin Johnson!" -Wes Durham
by sportsfan4life2012 on Sep 1, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree there
Owens might be going the way of Chevis Jackson. Both drafted in the 3rd round in consecutive years, solid as a rookie but then nothing after.
exactly mos
I watch just about every colts game,, since they are always on cable here, and I can tell you for absolute certain that Hayden is a big upgrade over owens, Franks, or Bush!
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
These are the signings I get excited about
Anybody can go sign a huge name like Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith or a Haynesworth(huh, all skins…) but I think it takes a lot more to plug the gaps behind your front lines w/serviceable guys. Look at Charlie Peprah. Couldn’t hang w/us, released, minor blip of a signing w/the Pack. Fast forward to the SB, he racks up 10 tackles, 9 solo in a relief appearance. You’re right, nothing that will warrant just a mini paragraph in the transaction section but oh, the subtle greatness. U gotta love the lunch box player signings!
The Patriots thrive on taking decent players and playing them to their strengths.
We’ve had to stray away from that because this team was not Super Bowl ready like the Patriots when TD and co. took over in 2008. Now, this team is ready, and we can start recycling talent like the Pats do. We make a few small signings (think Foxworth) get them to do what they do best, then we trade them away after a year or two of their service. We recycle them while keeping a young core in place, and that’s how we win a bunch of games. :D
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 31, 2011 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
Ovie Mughelli is very environmentally conscious, I’m sure he would rec it if he read it
by Mattyice318 on Aug 31, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
right on CR
We can start signing no name guys now, and have them only play to their strengths, look like a probowler, then trade them for higher draft picks.NE is very adept at this. Now, we will be too.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
And we don't have one
It’s just solid depth. DeCould and C4 are gonna be playing every down of course, so when they’re out we would’ve had Shan Schillinger or even worse…Rafael Bush. Sanders is an undoubted huge upgrade in that aspect and will provide an able to starter to sub in.
by dirtybirds233 on Aug 31, 2011 8:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Took care of CB and S...
but what about Center? Todd McClure will be out for a little while, and I don’t know about YOU, but I’m worried about two first-time starters side-by-side on the interior line. I wonder if we’ve even debated Andre Gurode from the Cowboys. I know he’s 33, but he’s also a former Pro Bowler and a better injury fill-in for McClure than anybody else on the roster at the moment.
Joe Hawley is the Future.
Andre Gurode was release from a weak Cowboys OL for a reason. Joe Hawley has been learning the offense for last one year. Its not easy for some one new to come onboard and be a Center right away.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 31, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Gurode was a cap casualty. And he’s coming of of an injury.
by birdwatch on Aug 31, 2011 9:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No he wasn't
Jerry Jones himself said he was cut because he was going to be a backup this season. He was beat out by an undrafted free agent.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/31/jones-on-gurode-cant-pay-that-salary-to-a-backup/
We took care of Center.
The Atlanta Falcons today announced that they have signed C Brett Romberg……
He was in our system a few years back. should be a nice experienced fill in until Todd recovers.
by VA Dirty Bird on Aug 31, 2011 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure
that he’s going to be a backup to Hawley until McClure comes back.
by KMarch on Aug 31, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He very well could be.
This guy has in game experience with Matt Ryan. So if Hawley isn’t ready, than It could be Romberg…. Just have to wait to see how it pans out.
by VA Dirty Bird on Sep 1, 2011 6:14 AM EDT up reply actions
oops didnt see u already mentioned Romberg
yes, he will be the backup to Hawley and spell him occassionally in games. But I think Romberg could start if needed, after a couple of weeks.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
I thought we signed Brett Romberg?
he will help wi depth at center
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
A 6 foot tall corner???
I thought that was against the rules! Seriously, Good pickups, depth problem taken care of, giving the kids a chance to learn some more without being thrown to the wolves.
Likely to be another addition when teams cut to 53.
by Charlie Dirty Bird on Aug 31, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Philly's going to be cutting a couple talented CBs...
With Asomugha, Redgers-Cromarti and Samuel, they’re stacked. The have about four other guys on the roster that are pretty talented, and they’ll probably only carry 5…
@sportsfanforlife.....no, what are Lion's fans saying about C Houston?
……..they like him? Where are you getting that info? He still doesn’t turn around and find the ball, and he still gets burned all the time………he’s not another man’s treasure in Detroit, trust me.
Re: Hayden signing………am I to believe that my biggest wish for the “d” is now going to happen? – that C Owens will never play another regular season down in a Falcon uniforrm?…….could it be?
Houston, to my knowledge, was an upgrade over what they had.
ANY upgrade is a welcome upgrade, no matter how bad of a player the player is.
Houston is just a decent corner. #1 material? Unlikely, but, maybe he was better than what the Lions had. If they like him, then good for them. I hope he does well up there. He didn’t fit in here, though.
I still want to give CO the benefit of the doubt. I’ve never seen a young player regress like that, that I can remember (my memory is bad.). I think he has something else going on. Wasn’t his issue with his ex gf over a child? What if there’s more to that story? Remember Nicks in 2008 had a baby son who needed a heart transplant. That story didn’t even come out until at least half a year after his son had a successful transplant (and, to my knowledge, is fully healthy now), but we had no idea. That was Nicholas’s first or second year, I believe, and it definitely hurt his production on the field.
That said, who knows. If CO gets cut, they’ll have lost their faith in him. Personally, I haven’t.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 31, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If my memory serves me correctly (which it normally does)
We had a few Lions fans on here one time talking about how much they liked Houston and the contributions he made to their defense. He was run out of here with pitchforks (and deep down, I kinda liked the guy). Just goes to show you that a “lost cause” can be a good contributor somewhere. Based on the Colt’s fans below though, Hayden seems like a great pickup. Hopefully he will prove me wrong.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Sep 1, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I, too, kinda liked
Houston. But he was doomed from the start. He was a p*t***o guy, and an early second rounder also. He never was, and never will be a #1. But he might make a good NB or dime back.
I always thought he should cut that hair. #23DR too. It just seems like it would add weight and restrict head movement. I’ve never had dreads so I wouldn’t know for sure. If its religious or something, ok. But if they’re just wearing em to wear em… it might affect play. It obviously doesn’t help with concussions..
by birdwatch on Sep 1, 2011 1:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Been saying that for years.
Oddly enough Crisp cut his hair last year. Seem like a stupid comment at first but of you think about it, it has to get in the way especially for a guy who hast to turn their head for a living.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Sep 1, 2011 8:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Welcome to Atlanta Hayden.
Hope he makes some of these plays here.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/indianapolis-colts/09000d5d81bcc7c0
It's all about Process...
Just glad
…he cannot make play like these anymore… ;)
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d80a0d24b/Hayden-pick-six
Colts fan here to make you feel better about Hayden
Indy’s DB coach Allan Williams does wonders with Safeties (Broken Bob Sanders, Bethea, Bullitt), but his coaching makes good corners (like Tim Jennings) look terrible. He’s been doing it for 10 years now, and there’s no sign of him leaving. Hayden is an incredible talent, and a smart guy. He played WR til his Junior year at Illinois, and he knows how receivers think. He can also jam one at the line, but the Colts just don’t do that very much. I don’t think I’m going out on a limb to say Hayden will look better in Atlanta then he did in Indy. He won’t have Williams telling him to play 12 yards off the line of scrimmage on a 2nd or 3rd and short. I think your defensive backfield just got stronger. I’d look for him to at least work his way up to the Nickel, maybe start.
He'd have to do pretty darn well to start.
We’re pretty set at starting corner. Dunta doesn’t get thrown at much and Grimes is a ballhawking master. What we might see is a 4-2-5 Nickel-ish look with Hayden on the field, since we play the Saints twice and Green Bay, as well as the Colts. His playoff experience will be vital to a team that hasn’t had any positive experiences in the playoffs yet.
However, I appreciate you coming over to give some input. Hopefully we can put him to good use! And hopefully former Falcon Jamaal Anderson will give you guys a better product than he gave us.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 31, 2011 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh no
He won’t have Williams telling him to play 12 yards off the line of scrimmage on a 2nd or 3rd and short.
Unfortunately he will have Van Gorder telling him to do this. I see the Colts run the same inexplicably soft zones as the Falcons.
by Mosugo on Sep 1, 2011 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They got away with it more
Because of Mathis and Freeney. I’m hoping for similar results with Abe and Edwards. Otherwise – yeah, I hate the ridiculous soft-zone. With a guy like Robinson, why don’t we bump and run more?
exactly Mos
I was thinking the same damn thing, darn, BVG does the same crap!! lol
DW – right too, without Freeney and Mathis the colts secondary would be considered one of the leagues worst. Hopefully Abe and Ray can make our secondary look just as good as the colts does, including having a Safety that plays lights out-Bob Sanders, which would be great if Moore turned into even 90% of Bob Sanders. lol
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 1, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I know I waited til both our teams got drubbed to come back here, but...
You’re probably right about Hayden not starting. I guess I didn’t look that closely at the Falcons’ depth chart.
I honestly believe playing all those soft zones negates the advantage of having guys like Freeny and Mathis or Abe Edwards on the field. It encourages the opposing qb to take short drops and throw quick slants leaving very little time for a pass rush.
I’m hoping Anderson will be subbed in for Mathis (allegedly only 235-240 lbs) on running downs.
Better luck against the Eagles next week. I think they’ll play better against Philly.
With the teams we play this year
Indy, Houston, Philly, Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit, NO 2x, Tampa 2x, we will be playing a lot of nickle D. As much as I would like to see them develop Franks, this is a great move. If he plays well and stays healthy, Franks doesn’t improve, and Owens gets released, he could be signed to a longer contract after the season. He is still on the right side of 30, so its possible to hold onto him for a few years until we find a sure thing.
We have a very young defense, so adding two guys in their late twenties is not a bad thing at all.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Aug 31, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for coming by
hmm…. but actually,
He won’t have Williams telling him to play 12 yards off the line of scrimmage on a 2nd or 3rd and short.
That does sound a tad familiar.
by KMarch on Aug 31, 2011 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's obviously never been BVG'd.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or 40 yards back
when we have a 10 point lead?
by Whyte Bler 000 on Aug 31, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I left the exact same comment
Then I scrolled down and saw yours.
ditto
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 1, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Really nice signings.
We needed depth at Safety and at Corner. I think though we needed these guys for Special teams too. Our Kickoff coverage in the preseason was probably the worst in the league.
We really needed these guys and anyone who’s sceptical hasn’t been watching our preseason games so far.
Franks hasn’t stepped up and took control of the nickel spot, Chris Owens looks like Chris Houston and our safety play when the second unit rolls in stinks.
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I’m used to losing more than winning and getting very hopeful just before the crash and burn. But I gotta say AB, TD, and MS are truly making me feel we have a real chance. A REAL chance. It’s trying to sink it.
Kelvin Hayden
That might be a steal! The guy is a solid cover corner and can definitely play the nickel! I’m excited to see him out there on Thursday!
nice call on the other thread about Hayden too ndn8806
KUDO’s are yours!
lol
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 1, 2011 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Like the signing
I do’t think we needed superstars, just solid, dependable veterans who are used to a similar scheme to the one we use. I think they learned from past experiences not to wait to fix a problem in the D backfield until the season starts.
In other news
The madden ratings stink….i guess that’s not news.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
I think they're mostly fair
I was surprised that Decoud and Moore were rated that highly (not that I think they’re not right), usually young players that don’t have a lot of national attention hover around the mid-to-upper 70’s.
There not perfect...
Babs and Grimes could have higher awareness and Grimes and Rodgers could both have another step or two in the speed dept. And anyone who has watched a preseason game knows Quizz could use more truck than that. Everything else looks good
by birdwatch on Sep 1, 2011 1:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If that's true
Then nobody should play with this team against another team with 95 plus speed WRs. Or vica versa, Roddy’s speed went down and Julio is our fastest WR? Actually, I don’t even have to buy the game because the ratings are the same or lower
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Julio IS our fastest receiver
And Roddy isn’t even second on our roster. That designation belongs to HD83, who is probably neck and neck with JJ.
Roddy – without a doubt – is our best route runner and hands receiver. He’s got enough speed to be dangerous, but he’s not the vertical threat that JJ is.
so in other words
when using the falcons in madden 12, sit RW and start HD with JJ? lol
that sounds crazy, but madden never has been truly realistic.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Sep 1, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Uhh...
Madden isn’t all about speed anymore. Lol. Though if it was anything before Madden 2010, that’s EXACTLY what I’d do.
by ndnpride8806 on Sep 1, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I still get burned.....
on prevent plays in which I play way off, I guess if I only control the the D-lineman the DBs are too dumb to keep up.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Mughelli's Rating is a Bit Surprising
I know OV is a pro bowler, but his overall rating (94) is better than Turner’s (93). Maybe his Madden rankings are bumped up because of his singing skills…
Also, I think Julio Jones is rated a bit low (even though rookies are almost always rated low on Maden). Julio’s strength = 71? C’mon man!
by grg on Sep 1, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
As for cuts
I think this might knock out both Bush and Walls out of the roster with Sanders and Hayden coming in. I like Rafael Bush quite a bit. In fact, I like him so much, I would consider cutting Owens instead of Bush, who is versatile and a good special teamer.
Our ST should look very good:
Dent, Biermann, Mo-Pete (maybe), Franks/Owens, Sanders, (With Hayden playing nickle, I expect Franks/Owens to jump on ST), Weems…I don’t see how kickoffs were returned against us last year. These guys better step up this year.
Other cuts I expect soon enough
I don’t think Chauncey Davis is staying. The writing is on the wall with Sid and Cliff Matthews playing well. Free up some cap space.
Any move that
increases the likelihood that Owens doesn’t see the field has to be considered a win.
Win!
"Don't go ninja'n nobody that don't need ninja'n!" ~ Kung Fu Hillbilly.
WHY
is the FO being so quiet about these signings? Everybody knows about the signings, yet no mention on the official website. They should be proud of shoring up the secondary’s depth. I was more than a little concerned. I suspect they will take a few weeks or more to learn the playbook before they can really begin to contribute on anything other than special teams.
SOP
Standard Operating Procedure. Our FO is non-descript about this kind of stuff. Plus, it’s not like we just signed two all-stars to the roster. These moves are very “New-England-like”. We just snagged two good veterans with playoff experience that played in pass happy divisions. We got exactly what we needed and didn’t spend too much doing it.
I don’t know about anyone else, but I really do believe we have one of the best Front Offices in the entire NFL now. First, the Edwards signing at a bargain price. Then, getting these guys to shore up our shaky secondary. In three short years, we’ve gone from the laughing stock to one of the most desirable organizations to play for.
Solid signings
I’m not overly excited about Hayden. He hasn’t played more than 11 games since 2007, and hasn’t been very good since 2008… but he can contribute. I think I would call giving up on Owens already a “downside” (if that’s what ends up happening).
There is no doubt this helps the team, though.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
That's a fair concern...
But hopefully he won’t be on the field as much for us, thus lowering his risk of injury.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Yeah
I mean all he has to do is come in on 3rd down and intercept the ball. So what, that’s like 12-18 plays in a game? SOlid.
by PurpleDRANKnotJUICE on Sep 1, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
That being said
The guy is the best option at nickel back right now. I’d take him over Owens and Franks both. I think that Franks will actually start the first two games while Hayden adjusts to the system. At least, that’s what I believe will happen.
by ndnpride8806 on Sep 1, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Very likely
I agree that Franks starts the season while they bring Hayden up to speed. However, if Franks gets toasted early, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Hayden get action even sooner.
Agreed with you both...
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Yeah, I probably agree too
I’d just hate to give up on Owens so soon (assuming he’s the one losing his spot). Of course, I wasn’t really ready to give up on Chris Houston, either… so what do I know?
If we can keep Hayden/Franks/Owens on the roster at 3-5, and squeeze Walls onto the Practice Squad (without losing him to another team), I’d be very happy about this move.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I can dig it...
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Certain positions only get so much leeway
When you think about it, for many NFL positions, there is a fixed amount of time to determine whether or not the player will work out. For QBs, most analyst think that between year 3 and 4 is when you see the fullest potential of your QB. For running backs, it hits early – year 1 or 2. OLine, 2 to 3 years – you get the drift.
For a DB – the tangibles like speed, height, vertical and closing speed are known from day one. Typically, a guy doesn’t get dramatically faster over time. I’d say a reasonable amount of time for a DB is no more than 3 years. That gives him time to learn a defense, get a feel for the game and get a feel for NFL offenses.
Owens is now passed that point. We know what we have in him. And it’s just not that impressive. If it was, he would have wrapped this spot up by now.
It’s time for Franks – who is beginning year 2 – to get his shot, and I think the Falcons brass agree.
Secondary upgrade needed....
….just watched the replay of the Pittsburgh game and the need for these moves is clear……Owens is simply a step slow, and Franks needs more experience; Hayden should help….regarding Schillinger, saw him miss two tackles in the box, something a “in the box” safety can’t afford to do…..I think tonight it’s Schillinger vs. Bush for a roster spot. Sanders basically takes the Coleman spot that the kids didn’t show enough to take.
i really like both of these moves
I like what the front office has done to address the secondary situation now if teams spread the field with 3 and 4 receiver sets the falcons defense can match up better with hayden and sanders i honestly hope the team atleast ponders trying to bring in another cornerback.if bryant mcfadden should get cut by the steelers[not sure it will happen] signing him for 1 or 2 years would be a great move and really would give our secondary greater depth and flexability when teams spread the field in 3 or 4 wide sets.what really bugs me about the falcons defense is why does BVG insist on dropping the defensive ends into coverage i really am not a fan of that at alltheir job is to pressure the quarterback but any way enough of my rambling great signings by TD.

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