When Pre-Season Goes Wrong: A Falcons-Steelers Recap
The Falcons drop another pre-season game. Pitchforks and torches are seen on Twitter, Facebook and blogs across the land. Hands are wrung.
Look, if you're going to worry, you're going to worry. The Falcons gave you ammunition last night, looking listless on defense and careless on offense. I won't dispute that the team has played in a less-than-stellar fashion the last couple of weeks, and the Steelers made the Falcons look more than a little clownish.
As long as the Falcons learn from their mistakes in this game, I'm so far from panic I can't see it with binoculars. Pre-season failure, after all, is a notoriously poor indicator of in-season success. So once again, the end result isn't all that important, even if it feels like it after watching the Falcons get shamed by the Steelers once more. Damn those Steelers.
Still, there's nuggets of knowledge to be gleaned from individual performances, as always. There's even a list of highlights, because the Falcons are a good football team who play good football for stretches even in bad games. Hit the jump with me and we'll take a look.
HIGHLIGHTS
- Matt Ryan threw a ton of passes (42 in all), and looked damn good doing it after some early hiccups. Ryan's arm strength and his rapport with Roddy White and Julio Jones shouldn't be in question after this one.
I think the coaching staff's mission in this one, given the Steelers' injured secondary, was to get Ryan comfortable and throwing early and often. If I'm right, mission accomplished. - Your mileage may vary, but I thought Jacquizz Rodgers impressed again. He's not totally where he needs to be in terms of blocking yet--which is understandable, given his 5'6" frame--but he did pile up 38 yards on seven carries and managed a couple of nice catches. Promising future for him.
- Roddy White had been quiet the first couple of pre-season games, but he showed us why his name can send cornerbacks diving through plate glass windows. Eight catches, 101 yards and a touchdown is vintage, mid-season Roddy, and he ran his trademark flawless routes all night long. I couldn't be more excited to see him during the season
- Julio Jones and Ryan misfired a handful of times--at points, Ryan seemed locked onto him--but the end result was a nice five receptions for 59 yards. He continues to impress.
- While we're praising every receiver I can think of, let's give Harry Douglas his due. HD Digital in 2011 looks worlds better than his younger, 2010 self.
- The first-team offensive line seems to be gelling. Matt Ryan had plenty of time to throw and there was some nice blocking up front, even from Joe Hawley. I'm liking the trend here.
- What can you say about Matt Bryant that hasn't been said? He's such a consistent killer when it comes to field goals that he makes the Terminator look like an elementary school science project.
- There's the Eric Weems we all know and love. He looked shifty and potent on his 48 yard punt return last night.
- Jonathan Babineaux gets another sack. It's the hit sequel to last week's game, and further proof that Babs is a terrifying man.
- The team's interior pass rush looks sharp. Vance Walker also picked up a sack, and while the defensive ends for the first team didn't get much in the way of results on the stat sheets, they opened things up.
- Darrin Walls didn't get picked on or called out tonight, which qualifies as a success given how the secondary played overall.
- Shann Schillinger forced a fumble. The Irish Inferno looks like a decent backup, at least.
LOWLIGHTS
- That backup offensive line didn't do Chris Redman any favors, but after a promising start, he completed less than half of his passes and threw a pick against the Steelers' backups. He's still one of the better backups in the league, but this was a bad game.
- If the Falcons carry four backs, the fourth one doesn't look like he'll come from the currently constructed roster. Gartrell Johnson continued to look lost as a runner, Antone Smith mixed one nice catch with some poor running and UDFA Philip Sylvester ran for seven yards and then promptly fumbled the ball away. None of these guys are a threat to Rodgers' job, and at this rate they're barely threats to open roster spots.
- Guys like Andy Strickland and Brandyn Harvey badly needed to show something to stick as a sixth receiver, something the Falcons aren't necessarily inclined to carry. Instead, Harvey went catchless and Strickland didn't show much. Unfortunately, one or both are probably getting cut completely before the season starts.
- Matt Bosher has the punting and kickoff job mostly sewed up in advance of the season, but he did not impress in this one. Averaging only 35 yards a punt and failing to get any touchbacks, Bosher undoubtedly made a few fans pine for Ken Parrish. He'll need to start showing more once the season rolls around...obviously.
- Ray Edwards more or less disappeared. First game back and all that, but hopefully Big Play Ray can show much more in the weeks ahead.
- Brent Grimes is a bit of a gambler by nature. You don't get as many picks he has over the last two seasons by playing conservatively, and it's exceedingly difficult to blame the guy for going hard after a pick in a pre-season game.
But he was unable to get to Antonio Brown on one play and not quite able to make the play the next time Ben Roethlisberger called Brown's number. Not even remotely worried about Grimes, but those were unquestionably lowlights in last night's game. - To spread the blame around a little bit, Thomas DeCoud was way out of position on the first Brown pass. It was not clear to me that Grimey was even supposed to be tight on Brown at that moment, but it was clear that #28 should have been closer. Again, not worried, but worth observing.
- The whole secondary just kind of let Ben Roethlisberger have his way with them. I'll hold off on the obvious jokes.
THE WRAPUP
Game MVP: Probably Ryan, who did had a sharp game overall. Given the overall team performance in this one, though, you could make a reasonable argument for a half-dozen guys, or none at all.
Game Theme Song: There's a lot of rain pounding my roof right now, so let's go with that.
One Thing To Take Away: The Falcons have issues to fix, but it's still just a sloppy pre-season. Time to be concerned about specific things, but not the team as a whole.
Next Week: It's the mighty Baltimore Ravens. in a battle of Matt Ryan versus Joe Flacco. I'm sure you won't hear about that 600 times in the next week. Check out Baltimore Beatdown for more.
Final Word: DamnableSteelers.
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WT?? to YES to WT???
Was my reaction during the first half. I know it’s just preseason but I just want to see wins, not the emotional rollercoaster I experienced. I loved Ryan’s deep ball to Julio. It was long, strong and appeared to be right on target. I hope to see more of that during the regular season.
by FalconsDiva on Aug 28, 2011 8:07 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Dave...
Thank you for the writeup, and I agree with most of your observations. However, I am really worried with our secondary, as we have been giving away big plays since Green Bay Packers. It is a trend that is not improving and if you notice, teams a throwing deep on us very often and it’s working for them.
Again, I realize that this is the off-season, but last night’s secondary was a complete disaster and those were our best players. Robinson was out, but these were throws to our other CB.
I’m just very concerned!!!
Our No.1 CB was out
We barely game planned. It was preseason.
I am worried...
Pass defense sucked last night. MVP was…..drum roll please…Matt Bosher. That guy punted a ton…
by DirtyBirdTakeover on Aug 28, 2011 10:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're kidding, right?
Bosher for MVP? He didn’t do as badly as he has in some previous games, but on one short punt, he didn’t even get the kick inside the 20. I thought he added more credence to my argument that you don’t waste a draft pick on a punter/kicker.
we gameplanned about 80% of our usual
Said cms
by TheAreopagite on Aug 28, 2011 2:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some positives
1) Mike Mularkey opened it up very nicely. 42 passes in one half, a couple of screens and a deep bomb
2) Roddy White. Over 100 yards and a TD in one half
3) Jacquizz Rodgers. Over 5YPC.
4) Matt Ryan and the O Line were good after a shaky start.
5) Julio Jones. 5 catches for 59 yards, even if he did have the drop
6)13 different receivers caught balls
I also think this game demonstrated the importance of Dunta Robinson
Maybe I'm being contrarian
but I don’t think Ryan looked good. He had some good throws but almost as many bad ones and he made some terrible decisions. He was throwing into double coverage all night, wasn’t looking off his receivers, off target badly on some open WR’s and he should have had three INT’s easily. I’m hoping it’s rust but he hasn’t been impressive so far.
I'll split the difference
When he was good, he was amazing. But he did seem to have moments where he was forcing it some, especially to Julio. Not a perfect outing, but he proved he could easily carry thus team while passing, so that was good.
Knowing Ryan, he’ll study this tape for a week solid and correct all of it. No worries.
by The DW on Aug 28, 2011 8:48 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Yep, Ryan will learn from last night
but his performance was not consistant and it was against a D that was missing three of their top DB’s.
i agree
thats one thing mattys good at is correcting mistakes and haveing a SHORT MEMORY WHICH IS VITAL TO ANY GOOD QB
by Dennis Allen Gaudet Jr on Aug 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He was gun slinging.
looked like Favre out there. I don’t think that is what he will always do but I do believe this was the right situation to practice that find of stuff. He was terrible on that first drive, 4-12 I think but I don’t think one can grade Matts career based on this performance. It was obvious to me they were trying to open things up and that you can only get those kind of looks in live action. This game will benefit our offense more than we know right now.
Rule #1: Double tap.
He's a
dirty talking bastard ain’t he?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Game ya'll
Just be thankful you didn’t suffer as many injuries as we did. Good luck this season.
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Yeah that was rough dude.
not something you want in a preseason. I woulda took a W just for grins but I’m more happy for health. Was that elbow dislocated?
Rule #1: Double tap.
Broken radius, I believe. Looks like IR for him.
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by John Stephens on Aug 28, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry to hear that
And was real sorry last night to watch the injuries. That had to be disheartening. Good luck to you this season.
Agreed.
Whats the new on M Pouncey? Is it a serious injury?
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 28, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
not new "news on M Pouncey"
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 28, 2011 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Tomlin said it wasn’t serious, but there has to be a concern considering it was the same ankle he hurt in the AFCCG last year.
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by John Stephens on Aug 28, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Did y'all notice
When Julio got up from that drop he got up complaining about his chin but when he looked to the sideline he got no compassion from coach Smith. He looked at him like nut up son.
Rule #1: Double tap.
Were you in Pittburgh to see that?
I watched it televised and all I saw was him talking to a position coach and the next play he was right back out there, then a couple plays later he ran a sweet route and made a nice catch.
Just wondering....
Are we going to finally upgrade our secondary now or are we going to keep being cheap and relying on UDFAs?
Secondary was much better except two major mistakes by Grimes and Decoud.
MS doesn’t like to give up big plays, I am sure MS would have given an earful to BVG and Secondary coach to fix those mistakes.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 28, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody should underestimate Mike Smith.
The purpose of preseason is to expose flaws and correct them before it counts. There were a lot of mistakes, but also a lot of really good things on which to build. We have an excellent (if sometimes maddening—prevent defense, anyone?) coaching staff, and a team full of players with work ethic for days. They will make corrections. And, they have to, because we have a much tougher schedule this year and play in the best division in the NFC, in my opinion.
I’d like to see Ryan looking a little more consistent. He had ecstatic feet at times last night. Would love to see our secondary tighten up, especially since that’s been an ongoing concern. We looked like we were in preseason form last night, which isn’t shocking, considering that it is preseason.
by Jeanna Thomas on Aug 28, 2011 9:35 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Jeanna everybody knows
why we have preseason. It’s preseason for the opponents also.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
At some point we'll have to upgrade the secondary.
This is the same questionable secondary from last season, minus Erik Coleman plus some UDFAs.
Brent Grimes has worked out well
What other UDFAs are we relying on? Darren Walls who is our 5th corner? The other 4 are a 3rd round pick, a 5th round pick, a high priced free agent and a Pro Bowler. The secondary wasn’t questionable last season. The secondary depth might have been, but the starting secondary is good.
We didn't draft a corner this year.
Pay attention:
minus Erik Coleman plus some UDFAs
I’m saying we didn’t upgrade the seocndary at all this year. What happens when one of the starters goes down?
The final roster is not set
We will wait for waivers, a Foxworth or Williams type pickup.
Your crystal ball told you that joke was funny.
He lied.
The question was:
What happens when one of the starters goes down?
Which is always a possibilty, nobody said it’s going to happen.
before the second preseason game...
My husband heard Dimitroff on the radio talking about how the team continues to evaluate needs and that they may pull in talent off of waivers. The Comrade knows how to evaluate talent and consistently makes smart moves. I think the waiver thing is a likely scenario.
by Jeanna Thomas on Aug 28, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
Was our earth shattering move
going to be for a DB?
by mwalex on Aug 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just couldn't resist could you?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
More or less
If you play ten yards off a WR and your defense has been blitzing all night….you do yourself no favors letting WRs run wild letting the opposing QB know exactly where to go before the snap. Apparently we can’t play soft. In other words, the ten yard custion is the coaches fault, the catch and TDs are the secondaries fault
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
No I wasn't but he whimpering a bit and he got no sympathy.
Anyway you do realize Dunta was out. I knew we were gonna get picked on in the secondary. My biggest concern about free agency so far is not picking up a third starting calibre starting cb. The good news is that Chauncey Davis has hardly played and is likely expendable at this point, maybe we can use him for trade bait or cap space to get somebody, anybody for the nickel spot. I do think franks did ok at times but still we need that third guy.
Rule #1: Double tap.
Chauncey Davis is likely a cap casualty.
I doubt any one will trade for Chauncey Davis and take a cap hit of 3.5 M$. Most likely he would be let go, I wish he could get us some picks next year to compensate for the picks we traded away.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I think they're still waiting for cuts.
That seems to be what they do every year.
Yeah but who
says that’s the best way to do things? Yes, it’s worked before but as policy it’s too risky.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I think
Franks will be fine given some playing time. remember how Grimes looked before he was a full time starter? I would agree that we need another corner for depth though, right now I would think that they’d keep Walls.
by BigFalcon84 on Aug 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Grimes has always been an over achiever.
Liked him from day one. I always thought he should be starting.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 3:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
preseason
As we know from the past preseason doesnt mean anything ,do you seriously think mike is gonna pull out his best plays for a preseason mean nothing game? If you remember last preseason we only won one game ,its what we do during the regulat season,and brown needs to be watched better i saw him push off at least 3 times for big catches are the refs blind,it was as bad as new englands game when it comes to officiating the lions wre holding all night yet no flags,and our touchdown by gonzo was called back for the same crap brown was doing.13-3- with a bye and homefield thats my prediction go dirty birds much love from maine!
by Dennis Allen Gaudet Jr on Aug 28, 2011 9:39 AM EDT reply actions
Detroit went 4-0 in preseason...
Before going 0-16 in the regular season. I’d rather lose games now, thank you very much.
by Jeanna Thomas on Aug 28, 2011 9:43 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Actually, last preseason (and the two before that) we went 2-2.
But yes, you make wonderful points.
You have opinions. We all do. Some of yours may have to do with the Falcons. Sign up today and share them.
by Adam Schultz on Aug 28, 2011 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Tired of this myth
There are no secret plays. We’ve been watching MM for three years now and I’ve never seen anything earth shaking come out of that brain. Everybody, except the Falcons bunches WR’s. Everybody runs screens (I know he did last night in the 4th) and everybody runs draws or delays, except the Falcons. Like Pitt ran that little pass off of the fake reverse last night. One, ONE five receiver set last night.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We had several plays with bunched receivers
I remember us running those quite a lot in all honesty.
absolutely
That’s more important than anything. We need our guys healthy until we can build more depth.
by The DW on Aug 28, 2011 10:04 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Regarding lack of depth
I know everyone wants a roster with depth at every position – particularly CBs – but it takes time to build that. We’ve got depth at a lot of other positions, just not at CB yet. I’m hoping that lack of depth is helped by an improved pass rush, which I think it will be.
I feel positive about this team. I believe we can finally keep up in a shoot out, which all teams have to get into at times, even the Green Bays and New Englands.
So, before everyone declares the need for another CB, remember it is just preseason. Our starters look good, minus a few mistakes, which will get corrected.
by The DW on Aug 28, 2011 10:10 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions 7 recs
if I could rec this from my phone...
I would.
by Jeanna Thomas on Aug 28, 2011 10:37 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Before last night I was not as worried about our secondary
But after, I really really am. Someone please give me some factual encouraging words. I really need it right now…kinda bummed out.
by DirtyBirdTakeover on Aug 28, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
And by factual encouraging words I mean...
Give me some hard points of why we will be ok once the regular season starts. And I don’t want to hear “Dunta was out”. Nickel is a HUGE concern.
Any Decent FA corners still on the market?
by DirtyBirdTakeover on Aug 28, 2011 10:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But Dunta was out
You know, our number 1 corner. If you want some encouragement about the nickel position, Roethlisberger only had 214 passing yards. 121 of those came against Brent Grimes on 2 passes. So Franks and Owens really didn’t give up many yards.
Pitt was missing top three CB
Everybody has injuries.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Hasn't everyone been crying about getting a DE since the Greenbay game?
And now we have to worry about the secondary? I guess I won’t bring up people rejecting the notion of Nnamdi Asomugha
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
We couldn't afford him
And weren’t interested.
Constructive Conversation
Instead of suggesting to outrageously successful HC and GM what they should be doing, I want to know everyone’s opinion of who (if anyone) leaped ahead in the NCB job last night? OR what did you think about the interesting RG situation.
Unfortunately, I had to make a quick jaunt to the ER last night (hello, Staff infection!), so I didn’t get to see the 2nd half.
NCB – Both had good and bad moments, just like every other game. I don’t see why everyone remains panicked after this game, the NCBs aren’t to blame for last night.
RG – Johnson seemed to be the coaches preference after RGGR struggled in the opening drive. But they were still rotated a bit.
NCB too hard to tell
I think both guys did a fairly good job last night. The big yards came on two plays, one of which was a gamble that doesn’t take place in a regular season game. The other was a throw into good double coverage that Brown was a freak on. Franks seemed to be in good locations all night, and Owens didn’t get torched.
I’d have to say, I think Franks will get the nod, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Owens did.
I'd agree with you and DW
I don’t know if that game progressed either Owens or Franks to locking up the NB. Both played equally from what I saw.
Staph infection
IV antibiotics?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
TEN PRE-SEASON "LOW" OBSERVATIONS - not panicking at all, but ominous clouds are on the horizon
1) Turner looks slow and out of shape.
2) The left side of the O-line can’t run block worth a damn.
3) A fifth round, weak-legged kicker unable to get touchbacks on kickoffs leaves much to be desired.
4) DB depth is alarmingly inexperienced and Owens continues to exhibit marginal ability.
5) DeCoud is an AVERAGE safety. Falcons need a play maker.
6) Gartrell Johnson and Antone Smith are worthy as camp bodies only.
8) The defense gives up more explosive plays than the offense produces.
9) Curtis Lofton can’t catch a cold in pass coverage.
10 The Falcons need a deep threat tight-end.
CONCLUSION: Despite all my wishful thinking, THE FALCONS ARE NOT AS CLOSE AS THEY THOUGHT. Last season, the team remained remarkably healthy and the Falcons won five games by narrow margins that they could have just as easily lost. If the breaks fall the other way this year, the Falcons could start the season 1-4 and be in danger of missing the playoffs.
Seriously, that's your first post here?
I think you’ll be much happier here: http://www.ajc.com/sports/
Sorry, but I’m getting tired of mysterious new posters coming in here to be negative. Your number one comment immediately makes you sound ridiculous (though some will undoubtedly agree with you here). Do you know how many NFL win games by close margins? ALL OF THEM.
by KMarch on Aug 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
probably just a saints fan
trying to troll a better team
Uuuggghhh.
To suggest that preseason performance indicates that we might miss out on postseason is premature at best. That is all I have to say about that.
@KMarch, hope you are okay!
by Jeanna Thomas on Aug 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Agreed
There’s nothing wrong with being pessimistic and not wanting to pump sunshine, but this is just the third preseason game. I wish I could have saw a better performance in many parts of the game last night, but it’s still the preseason. The ajc blog posts are filled with this kind of “the sky is falling” nonsense.
by introvertedGSUfan on Aug 28, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
What? First timers can't be observant and have opinions?
Sounds like you’re a little jealous/possessive of your blog status First time poster doesn’t necessarily equate to short-term fan or observer. Lighten up. Piling on from an “experienced” poster helps little and your ALL OF THEM by close margins comment is not supported by the facts. Did you watch Atlanta’s playoff game against Green Bay?
by Charlie Dirty Bird on Aug 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He said all NFL teams win by close margins
Not the Falcons only lost by close margins last season. So what he said is right.
Love first-time posters
and of course they have valid opinions. If I’m possessive of anything, it is the great (though, yes, sometimes crazy) discussion here at the Falcoholic. This post just seems to me to be more for rabble-rousing than constructive or informed critique. Unfortunately my response was a heat-of-the-moment type thing which I am sorry about. However, there are more endearing ways to join a new fan community than a litany of complaints about the team.
All that said, I apologize Truth101 and (belatedly) welcome him/here to the Falcoholic.
by KMarch on Aug 29, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's the spirit!
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
rec'd but
I think the first team is good and will be better this year. Our depth is just not there. I think walls will make the team and Owens will probably be unemployed by the end of the year. We desperately need safety help / depth.
by BigFalcon84 on Aug 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Your probably right.
Let’s go be saints fans. No but really I feel some of those statements are off base. DeCoud is a good safety and you can’t judge a mans career off of one performance, his body of work has proven his effectiveness. Look at grimes he didn’t get those 2 picks, Ryans comp % was like 50%. Can we then assume they aren’t who we think they are? I can understand those who jump to extreme conclusions because of one game but I do not agree. Coaches and players won’t agree either and I’m glad because when reg season comes around they will calm your fears.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Truth101 welcome to hell LOL
I won’t be rude like some people and tell you that your opinions are negative, off base, dumb, etc.( sadly you’ll get used to that)
You make a couple good points: (What I agree with)
1) Turner looks slow and out of shape.
3) A fifth round, weak-legged kicker unable to get touchbacks on kickoffs leaves much to be desired.
4) DB depth is alarmingly inexperienced and Owens continues to exhibit marginal ability.
5) DeCoud is an AVERAGE safety. Falcons need a play maker.
6) Gartrell Johnson and Antone Smith are worthy as camp bodies only.
10 The Falcons need a deep threat tight-end.
I’m going to say Turner is becoming my least favorite Falcon and everyone knows how I feel about Peria Jerry who’s becoming an ok guy to me. Turner doesn’t run hard or with purpose anymore, could it be decline or a secret injury? We’re in trouble as far as TE goes if Gonzalez gets hurts or decides he wants to retire Palmer’s not gonna cut it and Kelly is just some stored away garbage that doesn’t smell so you take your time taking it out. Decoud could step his game up a notch or two and Owens is a pathetic loser, I’m done being nice about Owens, cut that dwarf Smitty!
What I disagree with:
2) The left side of the O-line can’t run block worth a damn.
8) The defense gives up more explosive plays than the offense produces.
9) Curtis Lofton can’t catch a cold in pass coverage.
If your referring to Sam Baker I can’t argue with that but together Blaclock and Baker make for a pretty good left side. The defense has given up only a couple big plays this preseason and most came last night when Grimes and Decoud both over played a couple passes. Curtis Lofton isn’t terrible in pass coverage, he’s never out of position and usually he keeps everything in front of him which is what you ask for in a 4-3 MLB.
by mr92687!!! on Aug 28, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree mostly with your analysis...
of Truth’s analysis, lol. However, I have faith our DBs will step it up. Also, I think DeCoud is probably about average, and yes, it would be nice to have a play maker, but average isn’t terrible! Finally, not sure about the deep threat TE. We’ve got 3 deep threat WRs. I guess it wouldn’t hurt, but, not on the top of my list.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
This was not negative at all
It’s the truth. I read over each of these twice, and I agree with most. Stop being sensitive and open your eyes. Constructive criticism is not meant to be mean, but to help improve.
by DirtyBirdTakeover on Aug 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That was negative
all the way around and incorrect on many points:
Turner did not look slow and out of shape – the OL has stunk at blocking so far
The defense gave up explosive plays because Dunta wasn’t in the game and DB with little experience were playing – hence what preseason is for.
Falcons need a deep threat TE – why? Seriously, why? That is not how MM uses TE’s.
Welcome to the Falcoholic...
Sorry about the backlash for your post.
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That was for all the people who whined about prevent defense on 3rd and 20.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 28, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets take these line by line:
1) Turner looks slow and out of shape. (Its true, which is why most offensive game plans this season will resemble the game plan against the Ravens last year……..and we will see Turner gradually, but consistently phased out. I think many of us would prefer he be a cap casualty and not make the team this season, but that won’t happen)
2) The left side of the O-line can’t run block worth a damn. Dude, you’re barking up the wrong tree here – 20+ NFL teams would kill to have the Falcons OL
3) A fifth round, weak-legged kicker unable to get touchbacks on kickoffs leaves much to be desired. TDimitroff will have a kickoff specialist brought in if we need it – I’m still not sure if they’re just having him kick short purposely in preseason…….but don’t worry here
4) DB depth is alarmingly inexperienced and Owens continues to exhibit marginal ability. Don’t you think the TD and the coaches know this? Owens has played his last down as a Falcon and help will be brought in before the season starts
5) DeCoud is an AVERAGE safety. Falcons need a play maker. I agree, but we’ll have to settle here, he’ll be ok
6) Gartrell Johnson and Antone Smith are worthy as camp bodies only. Who cares? they’d never get a carry anyway
8) The defense gives up more explosive plays than the offense produces. Its preseason dude, relax
9) Curtis Lofton can’t catch a cold in pass coverage. I do feel that Lofton is overrated, but he’s serviceable
10 The Falcons need a deep threat tight-end. I agree lets trade Turner straight up for Aaron Hernandez right now!…….won’t happen
by AuxiliaryHusky on Aug 28, 2011 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
What's going on here?
Two brand new posters who just joined today? Both have a lot to say? Both are saying just about the same things?
Me?
I hope I’m allowed to be here……..seems like a much more civil forum than the AJC troll-fest.
I’m very optimistic about this team. I trust the Falcon’s brass to make the tweeks they need to make. Ryan and OL are fine, and any concerns to the contrary are very misguided. The DBs will be ok, and I’m confident Chris Owens will be cut – I sure hope I’m right about that.
My biggest concern is Turner. I think he puts us in far too many 2nd and/or 3rd and longs……I trust the Falcons to do the right thing and phase him out…….I sure hope I’m right about that too.
The only other minor concern I have is with Ray Edwards – I’m seeing potential style over substance there…….he needs to prove that he doesn’t just look good in the uniform – Michael Boley anyone?
by AuxiliaryHusky on Aug 28, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
We are pretty civil
Just a rough time to chime in, bad game and all.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 1:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well I thought we were pretty civil.
I’m sure we look like cannibals now.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are more than welcome here.
I kinda agree with you on Turner. He’s a workhorse back, but I feel like he’s not what we need anymore.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 28, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome...
We are usually pretty civil.
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Love Hernandez.
I think he’s the second coming of TG. I’d take Grontkowski for that matter.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Turner
Cap casualty? He may not be performing at the level he did on his first game against the Lions, but he is still a better back than even Snelling is. He is a beast on pass protection and can still run. Turner came into the last two camps in better shape than usual too. There is no way I would want the Falcons going into the season with Snelling as the 1, who is on a one year contract himself, and Quizz, a rookie, backing him up. Where is the depth in that?
by MustangFalcFan on Aug 28, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta Keep Turner
I gotta agree with keeping Turner. Sure he isn’t making the numbers that he did a few years back but back then we needed to rely on him more and give Matt a chance to learn the position. Only natural that with Matt improving we don’t call his number as much. Even is he is slowing down, I like having him on the team just for short and goal situations. I have pride in the fact that once the Falcons get inside the 10 yardline, we almost always score. That’s largely due to Turner and Snelling and I would hate to change that due to cut/injury/losing either of them.
A question
trade Turner for Hernandez? Then how do you supplement the big hole in the running game that has just been created? Snelling and Quizz probably aren’t the best options for #1 and #2. Smith and Johnson are terrible. How can you be assured that Hernandez won’t be used the same as TG? That is a bad move based on how ATL’s offense uses TE’s.
I agree
I don’t love Turner, I think he’s declined and I have been advocating trading him if we can dupe a team like the Bengals for a while. But that was while there will still options out there to replace him (Draft, Bradshaw). We’re not going to cut our best running back for cap space that we don’t need(who would we sign with it?) just because he’s declined a bit.
Fair analysis...
But I don’t think Lofton is overrated, and I don’t think Owens is out (dime back). Also, not sure if we can afford a third kicker (KO, P, and FG?).
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Three things that bother me most about our secondary...
1. The biggest concern is when I see players have the Meangelo Hall mentality, which is to try and intercept the ball when just getting even a finger on it to bat it away is enough. I didnt see the 77 yarder, but that was definitely the case with the 44 yarder. Grimes was going for the interception and all he needed to do was tip it away.
2. Thomas Decoud bothers me. Maybe I am wrong, but I dont think he is that good. I know he is our best option, but wish we would have tried to land someone better.
3. The prevent and zone defense drives me nuts. Yes, sometimes plays call for the zone D to be played, but I wish we played man alot more. We need our guys to inflict pain on the line of scrimmage ringing the WR’s bells and through them even a second off their route. Unfortunately we play soft coverage far too often. And as long we continue to do so, good passing teams torch us.
For years now we have been complaining about a soft under performing secondary and I am afraid that no improvement (and we may have gotten worse with the lose of a veteran like Williams as the nickel) in that area in the off season will come back to haunt us.
by MikeJolly on Aug 28, 2011 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'd throw D Franks in at FS
Hell of a tackler, and would be one of the better cover safeties.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not with 2 weeks till the opener
Maybe next year the move could be made, but not now. The history of marginal corners moving to safety isn’t great.
If Franks can nail down the NB
he’s be much better utilized there instead of FS. DeCoud will be fine and I doubt he could transition to DB to fill the NB spot.
Big Plays
“Big” or “Explosive” plays in football are like HRs in baseball. A defense can reduce the chance of one happening, and an offense can improve the chance, but they’ll still happen, and when they happen has quite a bit of randomness to it.
All four of the Steeler’s scores in the 1st half were the result of “Big” plays – the two bombs, the interception and the long return on the opening kickoff (and the resulting shellshock). Yes, I was concerned that we gave up so many – but I would have been more concerned if the Steelers O had regularly killed our D the way GB did. That didn’t happen – except for the “Big” plays and the opening drive, our D was actually pretty effective. Our O also pushed the Steeler’s D around – we only punted once in the 1st half. I was disappointed that we had to settle for FGs, but still – on the whole, our O was very effective against a very tough D.
by vanb on Aug 28, 2011 1:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
please also keep in mind........
Grimes had the pass easily broken up on both TDs he gave up……….we all saw him go for the pick instead of the bat-away…….and we all know that he will be reminded that it is more important to separate the receiver from the ball than to go for the pick……….don’t worry about this folks. If anything, we should be glad it happened, because now we’ll be less likely to see it when it matters.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Aug 28, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
One other thought
We’ve always struggled against 3-4 defenses. Take away one drop, and our offense puts up over 20 points on one. That may be one of the teams better performances offensively against a good 3-4 team.
by The DW on Aug 28, 2011 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
……..1 drop and one horrible throw by Ryan when he had HD wide open……..the offense was fine
by AuxiliaryHusky on Aug 28, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair points DW
but if the PIT DB’s had better hands Ryan would have thrown three interceptions. That can work in both directions.
It is strange that ATL has so much trouble with 3-4’s. There is something off with the OL blocking schemes.
Not to mention
the Hines Ward overthrow and two FG when we were down on the five
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by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK
2 of our 4 losses last year came against 4-3 defenses, and we did very well against Arizona, Cleveland, Green Bay (regular season) and Baltimore, one of the best 3-4s out there, and arguably one of the best performances our Offense has put up over the last three years. In 2009 we held our ground against Rex Ryan and had no troubles with SF and Miami.
I don’t think it’s a scheme thing.
How about this then...
The Falcons just struggle against teams from Pennsylvania. Not sure why, but we just can’t seem to get a leg up on those guys.
I read that too
And I think it’s clear from a Suggs-perspective that the Ravens are a 4-3. But I think that from a gameplanning perspective, Ray Lewis still tends to brings team to think of it as a 3-4. And since Mike Smith is part of the Ray Lewis coaching tree, I think that might have played a factor in the gameplan for that day. The Ravens may not have the classical skillset of the Jets, Pats, Packers 3-4s but they do inspire that same mentality (you cannot guess where the rush is coming from, you have to take into account that one outstanding LB that will more often than not blow up your lead block, etc.). And when they played the Falcons, they certainly “felt” like a 3-4
Not entirely accurate
ATL did not run well against BLT nor PHI (39 and 45 yards). There were seven games were MT rushed for fewer than 80 yards. How can that not be a “scheme thing”?
I wouldn’t call the BLT game one of the best offensive performance over the past three years either.
We're talking 4-3 vs. 3-4
…. sobringing up the in general – I agree – disappointing run-game in a bunch of games, regardless of scheme, is not the point there.
The BLT-game, well. It was, really, the first SUCCESFULL test of a Ryan-controlled game. Over the course of the last three years you had to wonder, what happens when they take Turner out, and the Ravens did that, and Ryan threw 50 times for a win, against a Top 5 Defense, that felt probably ashamed that they ranked only 6th in DVOA against the Pass that year.
And that last drive, the usual last minute trademark? The Falcons were up 20-7 11:34 minutes to go. Everybody remembers Roddy’s pushy-or-not-pushy-last second TD, but if our Defense doesn’t let the Ravens back in the game, this is one of the trademark performances an Offense can have. Now it’s called a “clutch” win, but Smith, Mularkey and Ryan knew exactly what they were doing that day. Against elite.
Vikings dropped Derrick Locke.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 1:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Turner sucks, trade him for Jahvid Best.
Joking.
But I understand that the Steelers’ defense is excellent when it comes to stopping the run but he hasn’t really done all that great this whole preseason.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Aug 28, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is the type of humor I can get behind
What happened to the sarcastic text
by MustangFalcFan on Aug 28, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I have no idea how to do it haha
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
In other news:
Patriots got pounded by the lions. Preseason folks.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 3:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Very true Hawk
They beat the hell out of their first two opponents, then were made to look pretty godawful last night. I’m worried about our Falcons but that’s only from 30+ years of ingrained worrying.
I watched every game.
Falcons’ pre-season football is always boring to me but my little brother insists I come over and watch the games like we do for regular season games. He’s a die-hard Falcons’ fan so sometimes I have to remind him it’s just the pre-season and that the Falcons won’t look the same in the regular season, they never do.
Your so sane.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Turner
Mustang…i will agree that by getting rid of Turner wld leave us a bit thin at RB unless we bring in someone else…but right now i wld rather have Snelling running the ball. At least he runs hard, and he can catch out of the back field.
As for Turner, it looks like he is tip toeing to the line instead of putting his head down and busting it in there for 1-3 yrds. I jave seen him too many times going backwards. He has no vision to see when the middle is clogged that he needs to go off takle…evrn if he did he doesnt have the quickness anymore to do it.
As for his numbers not being what they were his first yr, he piled up most of his yrds against bad run defences that first yr. And against good run defences he was under 100 for the games.
Yes he may be a step slowe, but the defences also have been planning for Turner and it doesnt help that MM is predictable is his play selection.
I wld love to see a draw play or middle screen from time to time.
On a closing note…1300 yrds is hard to replace.
by Magellan55 on Aug 28, 2011 5:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Snelling doesn't do it for me
Snelling has put up good numbers when he has stepped in when Turner has been injured. Snelling can get a little cute when he tries to be elusive sometimes and I feel he doesn’t run with the same authority as MT. It may just be the fact I like MT, but I think he still carries the ball hard and with purpose. When he does not get going it is a no gain, but Turner seems to get a least three yards a pop and has been fondly called the Touchdown Vampire for his work at the goal line.
Another thing about the preseason is I don’t think MT is running 100%. I could definitely be wrong but I think as important as it is for him to be ready for the season I think he is running strong up to a point and then going down. I agree completely on the fact MM is predictable in the ways he uses the Burner and teams have been keying on him the last couple of seasons. In the PIT game they did try a little middle screen to Turner but it was broken up. Hopefully he runs for 1300 this year
by MustangFalcFan on Aug 28, 2011 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Just now watching this game
on NFL network. Here’s the thing. It is the Steelers. A team that it is very difficult to get more than 20 pts against.
The one thing I cared about most was seeing Ryan lead a drive that was no huddle down the field against such a quality D. That was worth seeing & one can hope he was calling most of those plays after reading the D.
I’m concerned about the secondary (as always) but all in all this pre-season has been constructive. Once we see a full 60 that counts I’ll start to look at things a bit more critically. Better to make mistakes & learn from them now when it doesn’t “count” rather than later.
The chances of seeing one of your childhood teams win their respective championship is quite small. Yet, I'll continue to root for my teams and cling to that small hope while I still can.....
O.K. here's the question
Who are we suppose to be? A team that is also a legitimate contender for the Super Bowl or “We’re just happy we didn’t get blown out”?
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by FrozenFinger on Aug 28, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
A real contender.
I think they played sloppy at times, but given a 2nd half for starters things could have gone the other way & the Falcons pick up a comeback win. As others noted, Dunta didn’t play. While I don’t think that would solve everything by any means, it could have been the difference on 1 of the TD’s.
These are the type of teams to beat to get into NFC championship games. Hopefully lessons were learned for not only players, but coaches as well. There were some positives in the game. Focusing on improvements of the negative is what practice is all about. In the end, I think this D was a good test that will help show what things may or may not work v the Bears in week 1.
I got to see the Bears last night play the Titans on my local TV & one thing that stood out was that their passing game is no slouch when Cutler is in sync with Knox & Bennett. So Week 1 will likely solidify many of our concerns or we will laugh at the panic this game caused. (hopefully)
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by ATL Fan in TN on Aug 28, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Falcons pass defense is weak up the middle. It may be pre-season, but Pittsburgh exposed Atlanta's achilles heel - Lofton's and DeCoud's weak cover skills.
If you recorded the game, watch the Steelers’ first two offensive plays from scrimmage. Lofton bites on play action and is pitiful in coverage!
Many are flagging Grimes for the second touchdown to Antonio Brown, but Brown lined up opposite Franks, then DeCoud blew his deep help responsibilities. Grimes came off his man and almost made an heroic play.
Interesting about Franks
I’ll have to go back and look at that. Thanks.
by KMarch on Aug 28, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Great game I thought
My main regret that the Steelers sufferred so many injuries – although an opponent, I still did not like to see that
’Quiz was incredible
White, Ice, High Definition, Gonzo, and Orange Julius delivered the goods
The D will be fine once games count – they were no 5 in least points allowed last year
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
This guy makes sense.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I want to be absolutely clear
I’m going to start shutting down threads, deleting comments and issuing warnings if you all can’t stop going at eachother’s throats. I’m tired of reading it.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 28, 2011 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bad games make ugly threads.
Such a shame.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Apologies Dave,
Was just trying to have some fun w/a guy, who I guess didn’t want to. It was seriously just a good natured rib.
No need to apologize
Just a general warning.
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That's not neccessary Dave
I figured I’d have a little fun with people since this is my last day as a falcoholic, yup get your party gear out!
This just isn’t fun anymore. To mosugo, kmarch, mwalex, aces66high, and many more……. it’s been fun. Seriously no hard feelings.
The Falcoholic is great for Falcons’ fans but it just got a little old, no disrespect. I’ve found something better, Seriously it’s not you, it’s me. LOL
PS…………
The next time you guys see the numbers 92687, elsewhere, in that sequence……………..your lives will be forever changed.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAHAHANNAH MONTANA!
Farewell
I'd prefer you stuck around, but you gotta do what you gotta do
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Touching, very touching!
It took you 21 minutes to respond, so I’m guessing you did like a 20 minute celebration dance LOL …….I kid.
Anywhoo, I feel it’s time for me to move on to bigger smaller and better worster things. Just a hint, from now on I’ll be getting on people’s nerves and making bad jokes and getting paid for it! Look out!
Definitely not a celebration dance
If I had my way, every commenter who has landed here over the last five years would stay here. I understand that’s not realistic, though.
Good luck with the gig!
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Thanks!
Hey that means a lot. if you ever see an unfamiliar, out of shape, funny looking guy on your tv screen and he gives you a shoutout then I’ve taken this thing as far as it could go and I’ve reached my ultimate goal.
I have a big head, so I have big dreams, but I can only sleep for so long. It’ll all make sense one day, just you wait and see!
God bless you all!
Damn, there goes the entertainment.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh wait, I'm the entertainment.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Please don't post Ray Edwards pic again Hawk!
(and by please don’t, I mean please do! Wait, no one else can see what I’m typing because it’s in parenthesis right? Yea, I’m pretty sure that’s right)
by aces666high on Aug 28, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd rather you not waste your time on the silly stuff.
We got this FF draft order thing to work out. I can’t be #13, am I? I’m allergic to 13’s, it’s against my religion, my mom died when I was 13, I once had a dog named 13 who was run over 13 times by a 13 year old in a 13 year old station wagon with 13 illegal immigrants. This isn’t a good sign.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Draft order hasn't been determined yet
Consider that a preliminary order.
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Oh thank you Fantasy Football Master.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You are welcome, my son
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Where am I drafting Dave?
Oh wait, I remember! Neverteen!!! “sob!!!”
by aces666high on Aug 28, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Amen, Dave.
I agree.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Y'all remember Brother Brown?
I wonder if he’s still alive, not joking, that guy had me worried after that GB debacle.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 7:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I haven't heard from him in a long time
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I remember his last post being something about,
He wasn’t being fulfilled in one way or another. I think he had some lady troubles leading up to that. Good guy.
Yeah dude, never know wher folks are emotionally.
We gotta be semi-sensitive with some folks.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 28, 2011 7:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Liked Leon07's stuff
Was it him who had a run where just about all his posts went green?
by aces666high on Aug 28, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't remember. Can't think clearly right now either...
Very hungover, plus painkillers for back spasms. I’m 6’5" and spend 3/4 of my time on a ship hunched over. Ugh, oh well, it was a nice trade-off drinking expensive scotch and microbrews last night in Singapore to ease the pain.
I agree with most of what you say Dave
but the feeling at the stadium in the 1st Quarter was one of confusion, bad timing and poor execution. Ryan didn’t look that good early (I’d say they were more than hiccups). His pass into the line was horrible and he seemed to feel rushed. I don’t know if it was the exchange with Hawley and he just needed to get used to a different center, but he didn’t look like Matty Ice at all.
-Julio looked good but he and Matty need a lot more practice to get their timing down. Julio also needs more familiarity with the audibles. A couple of times he looked confused after getting the call from Matty (lifting his hands in an “I don’t know” gesture).
-I thought Quizz looked better blocking with the 1st team than I expected. I don’t remember him getting beaten in the 1st half.
-The secondary was scary. Grimes mistimed a couple jumps, the safeties were out of position and both Franks and Owens didn’t improve.
-Our 2nd string Offense looked pretty good in the first possession of the 2nd half considering they were up against the 1st string Defense of Pittsburgh. I’m glad the 1st string Pitt O didn’t go up against our 2nd string D, though.
It’s still just preseason after a shortened training camp so we shouldn’t panic yet, but I have more worries about the team after the last 3 games than I have positives. That might be because I’ve been a fan since ’79 and old habits die hard…
On a side note Dave, I have some pics from the game that you’re welcome to if you’d like.
Dave, can we steer away from immediately using "Big Play Ray", please?
Big Play Ray Buchanan was a Super Bowl Falcon.
I heard coach Smith call him Ray Ray.
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Roger that, Yoko!
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Just watched that 9 man blitz by our Falcons
God, that woulda been 3 big plays for TD’s we gave up. Don’t know how much more of this I can watch. 7 blockers vs. 9 and he still has a good 3 seconds of time.
Pretty depressing to think that the Steelers spent a 6th round pick
…in 2010 on Antonio Brown, who single-handedly destroyed our secondary. In 2010 we drafted Shann Schilinger in the 6th, and special teamer at best, and in 2011 we drafted Matt Bosher, who continues to make the undrafted kicker we cut look like an All Pro.
you worry too much
I was watching this game, and as a Saints fan I must say I didn’t like it all that much, meaning to say that I saw too many very good things happening on offense. Ryan is a stud out there and your receivers are the best in the league. Juilo Jones frightens me. White is hard enough to handle on his own. If you’ve got two of these beasts, how can you be stopped? It will make the running game that much easier.
Compare that to the Saints. Yes, we have some decent receivers as well, but its success is more due to cleverness than through sheer talent. I’m starting to worry that Brees, though still one of the best, has lost the ability to go deep and accurate. Now, look at that bomb that Ryan threw to Jones. Did anybody know he had that in him? That’s worth much more than anything else you take out of this Steelers game.
by pdehaan on Aug 29, 2011 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I love the love of the Saints fan!
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Secondary will be our main weakness, against the top teams for sure.
Ryan and the offense will score points and keep us in games but against the tough teams (like the Steelers) our secondary will be the weakness that cost us those games imo. To be honest though, the LB’s weren’t exactly blowing any minds out there either, that was way more of a shock to me than the secondary’s issues.

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