Atlanta Falcons Healthy Once Again
The pre-season has a habit of nicking up players, whether it be in practices or the games themselves. This one has been no exception for the Falcons.
They lost Vance Walker and Trey Lewis briefly to injuries, and then Corey Peters went down. Dunta Robinson has been banged up, while Ray Edwards recovers from off-season knee surgery. Rookie defensive Cliff Matthews was knocked out of the game against the Jaguars, and John Parker Wilson has been recovering from a concussion. That's quite a list.
Fortunately, the Falcons are getting healthy again in advance of their pre-season game against the Steelers this Friday. According to Jay Adams at the official site, Cliff Matthews returned and practiced fully, as did Walker and JPW. By all accounts, Edwards is making significant strides, and Lewis was already back in action. Peters is still recovering, Roddy White is out with a bruise and Akeem Dent apparently still hasn't appeared on the field. As far as I know, none of these guys are going to miss significant time, though they're clearly bringing Dent along slowly.
So there's a little good news for you as training camp wraps up. Let's hope the Falcons can stay healthy heading into the season.
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Just curious
Has anyone heard anything else about that rumor that the Falcons were going to be making a big move that would shock the NFL?
One would think so but
Chauncey Davis makes 3.7 mill, he could be cut. Plus I suppose a player could br traded back to whatever team we made a move with. I wonder what it could be a RG? TE?
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard the rumor.
Though, I don’t make much of it. The only way they could get another play-maker at this point is with a trade, and I just don’t see that happening.
Shocking move limited
by lack of cap room. Falcs will look for normal cuts as always and react accordingly
One would think so but
Chauncey Davis makes 3.7 mill, he could be cut. Plus I suppose a player could br traded back to whatever team we made a move with. I wonder what it could be a RG? TE?
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
IDK just trying to guess
Since we have 2 young guys competing @ RG. Another good TE would be a way we could run & throw with 2 YEd. A perfect way to combat tens with good CBs like Philly & GB IMO.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Where'd you hear this rumor?
I haven’t heard anything, then again I’ve been extremely busy lately. Who? What? When? Haha.
by dirtybirds233 on Aug 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
790 The Zone Host
Beau Bock aka The Dean of Atlanta sports talk radio reported a major move is being discussed. When asked about it today by his co host, he stood by it and said we will know in about a week.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions
Frank Gore for Michael Turner?
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
That's an exciting rumor. Havnt heard it tho no idea what we could possibly do.
Roddys bruised? he needs 2 sit down & get ready for the season. I feel like we need a corner not only for starting nickel but for depth. last year we ran with 5 cbs.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Aug 21, 2011 3:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, I made that one up myself!
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
That would be a horrible trade.
Gore is almost as durable as Norwood.
I'm on the Twitter: twitter.com/edgrohl
Huh? Gore has missed only12 games in 6 seasons, Norwood has missed 23 games in 5 seasons.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
As of right now, I'm comfortable shooting this down
Can’t tell you why, can’t tell you how, but can tell you that there appears to be nothing in motion with the Falcons at the moment. I’m not entirely ruling it out, but…
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I agree, Dave
(three words that rarely appear in consecutive order)
If it’s going to happen, it would almost have to be a defensive player, right? I mean, what kind of impact can someone make, who doesn’t know the offense and we’re 3 weeks away from the season opener?
And for the post below regarding Chris Johnson.: ….ain’t ….gonna..happen. You expect the Titans to trade away a the #1 or #2 RB in the NFL for a 29 year old Turner who is clearly in decline? Please!
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Im starting to think he's just a grouchy old fart.
What makes him a “dean” anyway. I’m beginning to question his validity as a true source. I’m sure our FO is not leaving any stone unturned as always but this trade rumor is goofy.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 21, 2011 4:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He's the Dean because he was one of the 1st Atlanta sports talk radio host.
He’s been doing it since 73. His co host asked him why he was getting fans all hyped up, and he stuck by it. I lime to think a guy who’s been in the business that long would have sources and be more responsible than just making up rumors. Maybe he has a source giving him false info. IDk but its still fun to speculate.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
We're talking about him now
That’s good for his radio show. That is enough motivation for him to make up something.
by Mosugo on Aug 22, 2011 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wishful thinking
maybe some kind of a trade for CJ2K. now that would be sweet.
by BigFalcon84 on Aug 22, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
What would they give in return?
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
I have no idea. That's why I'm confused about this rumor.
The Falcons , unless there’s something there that we don’t know about, have no way to make a big move.
I doubt it. That would put Samuel in the same situation he's already in.
I doubt he wants to play nickel. Grimes deserves to start and Miko Grimes will not allow her man to not start in a contract year.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Asante Samuels is slightly better version of Hall.
We don’t have cap space left for him. Asante is a boom or bust in the coverage and he does give up lot of yards but some times gets you an interception. Grimes can do much better job than Samuels. I don’t think we have draft picks to give for a NB
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where would he even play?
I don’t think he’d play the nickle. The guy is a premiere cover corner. He’s not going to come anywhere to play the slot. It would be cool to get Dominique Foxworth back. He knows the system and could play the nickel.
by ndnpride8806 on Aug 22, 2011 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well since we are...
speculating…why not Troy Polamalu…lol
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by Blood_Talon on Aug 22, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
With All Due Respect
I am going to hope they are a far better football team then they showed against the Jags.
you do realize
it’s preseason, right? we as fans want to see wins, the coaches, especially this year with the super messed up offseason, want to see as many players in game situations as possible. it’s all about THEIR evaluations, not ours as fans.
by chaz s on Aug 21, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes, we realize it's preseason
But the first team offense didn’t look good at all. No holes for Turner at all. Timing looked off for passing game. Dumb penalties. Rush defense looked pretty solid, but pass defense and tackling looked suspect again.
The rest of the contenders in the league have looked great in the preseason. You can’t blame the guy for worrying a little.
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Kobe Bryant"
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The Saints nor the Eagles looked good in their last game
by mwalex on Aug 21, 2011 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Saints looked great to me, especially Ingram. Besides early turnovers (which is expected) they moved the ball fine.
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Kobe Bryant"
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Preseason domination
After two games, let’s look at some stat lines:
8 of 18 (44%) for 115 Yards (6.4 YPA), 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 5 First Downs and a 65.7 passer rating.
9 of 18 (50%) for 121 Yards (6.7 YPA), 1 TD, 3 INTs, 6 First Downs and a 50.7 passer rating.
13 of 25 (52%) for 206 Yards (8.2 YPA), 2 TDs, 0 INTs, 7 First Downs and a 106.4 passer rating.
That is, ladies and gentlemen, Brees, Vick and Ryan.
I think, especially with the way our first string-D played, it’s safe to say we have dominated just about the same way every other contender (except maybe the Pats). Our first team is 27-3 so far.
by wiesengrund on Aug 22, 2011 5:21 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Saints defense was terrible
The Steelers were awful against the Redskins last week. The Colts have been horrible both weeks. The Eagles were also very bad against the Steelers. The Bucs got blown out by the Patriots. The Cowboys only scored 7 against the Chargers. Every other contender has definitely not looked great this preseason. In fact, every team but the Patriots has looked as sloppy as you would expect in the preseason.
Drew Brees went 7 for 14 for 109 yards in a little more than quarter of action for the Saints (1-1). Chase Daniel threw a long TD pass to rookie Joseph Morgan and 2011 first-round pick Mark Ingram had a touchdown run in the first half for New Orleans.
.The Saints produced 331 yards, but gave away three turnovers.
That’s very close to what I said about the Saints isn’t it? “The Saints looked great to me, especially Ingram. Besides early turnovers (which is expected) they moved the ball fine.”
As for the Eagles they were playing the Steelers for heaven’s sake.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Hmmm
I think we just disagree on the definition “great”. Brees shouldn’t throw 50% in my book.
Also, we can safely say that our starters went 27-3 against starters that went a combined 15-17 last season, while the Saints starters went 17-24 against starters that went a combined 12-20 last season. And that’s counting the Daniel-TD as a “starter TD”.
Yardage might be fine, but points and turnovers still paint a at least mediocre picture of the Saints first team. If we’re considered “shaky”, they’re “shaky” too.
by wiesengrund on Aug 22, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Brees went 7-14 for 109 yards in a little more than a quater, obviously if he plays the entire game he would get into a groove at some point. 109 yards per quarer means he’d probably throw for well over 400 yards. Whether it’s the Saints or the Packers, preseason turnovers are going to happen.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I said the Saints D was terrible
So offensive stats don’t really disprove that. Andre Johnson had 100 yards receiving in 1 quarter. By your logic, he would have had 400 yards if he played the whole game. Ben Tate rushed for 95 yards and a TD and Arian Foster had 2 rushing TD and 47 yards on 5 carries.
The Texans scored on their first four possessions and produced 323 yards and 19 first downs in the first half. Houston finished with 436 total yards, a franchise record for a preseason game.
Sean Payton himself said the Saints were bad:
""They (the Texans) did a good job with their execution and they whipped us, It was pretty evident. So we’ve got a lot of work to do. It was just far too many inconsistencies for our liking. I thought we weren’t as ready maybe as I thought we were the last week we played. I thought we were sluggish and I thought they looked sharp."
Obviously the Saints coach didn’t agree that they looked great.
Because of turnovers the defense was put in bad situations and had very little time to rest.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Doubt it. That would put Samuel right back in the same position hes in now.
I doubt he wants to play nickel. Grimes deserves to start and Miko Grimes will not allow her man to not start in a contract year. We do need another veteran Asante but not a high priced guy like Asante.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions
lf It Is Going To Be A Big Move
How about a Turner for Chris Johnson trade? Don’t know what our sweetner would be with our 1 next year already gone, but here is my logic.
1) Turner doesn’t fit anymore. With Jones and Douglas (back), we are now built for speed. Plug Johnson in the backfield and out of the backfield on the pass, and watch the hell out. If it is short yardage, run Snelling.
2) Titans aren’t and can’t pay Johnson what he wants. Why would you plunk down that kind of money for a RB when you are rebuilding – you just can’t, better to trade him for a serviceable back (Turner), save money and build picks for the future. Plus you are trading him out of conference.
Think about it. That trade would have to make us SB favorites at least in the NFC.
What would you give for the missing piece?
its an interesting thought
But Johson just wants so much $$$$.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Chris Johnson is a big NO.
I don’t like his work ethic, whats the guarantee he won’t sit out next season with Falcons asking more money. He is looking for top player money not just top RB money. There is no way you would pay him like a QB.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven’t heard anything negative about his work ethic. If you trade for em you’d have to give em a new contact. I’m just not in favor of giving him the type of money he’s asking for.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just not in favor of giving him the type of money he’s asking for.
Would you if it meant the Bowl?
by Whopper Dawg on Aug 21, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
last time I checked
Michael Turner had more rushing yards than CJ last year, and the same amount of total TDs. Why trade away something to get a piece that would surely tie up a TON of cap space? Especially considering that the Falcons have a lot of players they’re going to need to resign in the near future (Lofton, Decoud, Grimes, Moore, one Matt Ryan)?
There’s no doubt that CJ would be an upgrade, but he’s not enough of a significant upgrade over the combo of Turner/Snelling/’Quizz to justify that move.
by KMarch on Aug 21, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
^^^^^^ this!
Exactly KM.
Not going to happen.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
It May Not Happen
And admittedly it is a long shot, ANY NFL shocking trade is a long shot, yes?
So, assuming that the rumor is true and it is a NFL shocking trade, let’s go through positions shall we.
QB – Nope got Ryan, trade for backup is not shocking
FB – No trade for a FB is shocking and don’t need one
WR – already mortgaged much of the future for this position
TE – TG good for at least one more
OL – No OLine trade would be considered shocking
D
DL – already covered through FA at DE, DTs OK and team dedicated to newbies Peters and Jerry
LB – Lofton in the middle, corners thought to be OK to good, can’t come up with a shocker here
DBs – Duante signed for big money, Grimes is the best you have and may be a pro bowler again (I think he will). Safety – maybe something here, woeful pass coverage, Moore can hit but usually well after the catch, DeCoud is a legend in his own mind and probably yours, but I can’t come up with an available safety that would shock the NFL………………………..which leads us back to RB
If they are working on something, this has to be the position and Johnson has to be the guy. He is the only “shock worthy” RB at play with his team. Which leads me to your objections:
1) Turner is our identity. Not anymore. Please replay the Green Bay game. You can run Turner until July and you won’t catch them. TD understands this, hence future mortgaged on WR (Jones). It is a passing league now and we have a featured back that can’t catch. Make sense? Nope. Additionally, Turner is a straight line back that can’t make people miss. Not a good mix unless you want to pound pound pound, which gets you 21 a game, when GB and New England score 40.
2) Bad character. Maybe so, I really don’t know. Maybe we can effect him for the better with our high character guys and Coach Smith. It is football, not choir practice. Witness the low character players New England has taken in.
3) Johnson is not a good fit for the Titans. Too much money and they are rebuilding. Pay that much to a RB who may be done or gone (injury) by the time you are ready to CONTEND doesn’t make sense. A team that would value him close to what he is seeking would have to be one that is one piece away from the ring. A team, well, like Atlanta.
4) Money and sweetener, True that , don’t have an answer, but that is what TD is for. In TD we trust, right?
With our roster, I cannot come up with a “NFL shocking” trade candidate other then this. I would be interested in other candidates, but nickel CBs and backups aren’t NFL shocking.
by Whopper Dawg on Aug 22, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions
My Bad
Forgot one possible move, if we can trade for a different OC then I would be fully supportive.
by Whopper Dawg on Aug 22, 2011 5:11 AM EDT up reply actions
OL trades could be shocking
A player like Joe Thomas or Ryan Clady. It’s not going to happen but those are premiere players.
Those Are
premiere players and would love to have them both, but I doubt that either qualifies as “NFL shocking” and “unbelievably good” which is the parameters I am speculating under.
Almost has to be a RB given our roster.
by Whopper Dawg on Aug 22, 2011 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure but I don’t see how its possible under the cap without getting rid of another key starter or 2.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
No way a Diva like CJ is worth more than 13 M a year.
He has great talent but he is also a cry baby and a Diva from his rookie year. He threw tantrum fit in the media when Matt Ryan was named rookie of the year. I don’t think he will fit our locker room. Even Adrian Peterson in his last year of contract is not holding out.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Peterson
Was A High First Round Pick So He Did Get A Decent Bonus And Contract While Johnson Was A Lower Round And Isnt Getting Much
by shuliem3 on Aug 21, 2011 4:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes but he held out last year too!
Holding out every year makes him look bad. If he continues to do this it will probably eclipse the Brett Favre’s retirement drama which went on for 4 years.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
True but he didn’t get a new deal last yr. I think he & Deshon Jackson both make less than 1 mill a yr. Can’t blame those guys for wanting to get paid. Especially Johson knowing RBs have the shortest NFL lifespan.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't think his holdout makes him a diva
He is severely underpaid.
Turner fits now more than ever
Having a power back is the perfect complement to a high-octane receiving corps. This is still a smash-mouth team. Quizz can handle the speed stuff. Plus, as I stated above, no way the Titans take that deal straight up just to save money. This is a value-for-value league and CJ > Turner in terms of value. And I see no way TD gives up even more draft picks. Way too risky.
Exactly
Turner was our identity. This year, we are trying speed. You need balance in the NFL to succeed. Please Peeps, let us experience the speed first before we go trading away the bowling ball. Could we at least make sure Turner doesn’t fit? We aint even played a real game yet! lol
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
WAS!!
PLEASE READ WHOLE STATEMENT.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How does that make any sense?
ATL probably has less cash and cap space than TEN. While that looks great on paper it is a waste of money for ATL.
I heard this one on a Falcons podcast
But unless the Titans are brain-dead and Chris Johnson is willing to play for us for much less than $12-13 mil/yr I don’t see this as happening. I’d rather see them get a solid CB to play nickle. Find another Foxworth before the season progresses too far to make much of a difference.
Another Foxworth would be amazing
But i’m sure Beu is refering to something much bigger.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Do teams normally play a team in the preseason & regular season like us & Jags are doing?
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT reply actions
it happens every now and then
but, teams just go vanilla and don’t show much. If you recall, the famous Denny Green rant made reference to this:
“We played ‘em in preseason. Who the hell takes the third game of preseason like it’s bullsh-t? BULLSH-T!! We played them in the third game, the starters played 3 quarters. The Bears are who we thought they were!”
I remember the rant but forgot he said that about the preseason in the beginning.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at Practice today.
Roddy White was on the sidelines having fun. He looked Ok to me and was catching and throwing the ball to HD after the practice.
It's all about Process...
Major move, huh.
We’d go into Stupid Mode if we acquired someone like Antonio Gates. (On second thought, after some research. He’s 31. Meh.)
I can’t see us acquiring anything on defense. Dunta is too highly paid and Grimes is good enough to where bringing in just about anyone else would be a negative return.
Our LB corps is hardly a weakness, too. They’re young and talented. I doubt we’d acquire an LB.
On offense, our WR corps is fine. Our RB corps is fine. We don’t need a QB. The only thing I could think of would be a pass-catching TE that is more talented than Palms. Owen Daniels, maybe Jermichael Finley if we’re trading. I don’t know contract situations and whatnot.
Still, I have a hard time believing we have any major moves left in us. We have no cap room currently (that could change) and we don’t exactly have an abundance of draft picks.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
I Agree
Another good TE would really help, especially VS teams like the Eagles & GB who are better with their nickel D than their base. If they wanna play 3 CBs we could just run it down their throat. A RG would make many fans go crazy, and in that case we could’ve just kept Dahl. I guess we could get a better LT than Baker. Maybe we could put a better DT next to Babineaux, but we have young talent there with Peters & Jerry. I just don’t know what it could be.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would a good TE help ATL?
Or why is that the perception? The TE for ATL is nothing more than a dump off valve for a 5 – 6 yard pass. There no reason to spend a lot of money on that.
If we got another good TE that is fast & a good receiver he could run more than 5-6 yards routes. It would make us dangerous because few teams have 2 good coverage LBs. If they try to put their nickelback in they wont be able to stop the run. The ace set with 2 WRs 2 TEs & 1 RB would be very dangerous. Then when Honzo hangs up the cleats the TE could take over as full time starter.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think
that TG can’t get more than 5 or 6 yards down the field? Do you also think that Palmer or any other TE on ATL’s roster can’t get more tha 5 – 6 yards down the field?
The issue isn’t age or ability it’s how the plays are designed. If you guys think that a younger TE would be used differently than TG or Palmer you guys are fooling yourself, and badly at that.
Amen.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
A good athletic TE can cause mismatches.
Think Gonzo in his younger years. Even in his old age now, he can still block and catch like the young TEs (SportScience said so.)
But I’d be willing to bet he was much more agile when he was younger. If we can bring in a good TE who can do what Gonzo did in his younger years, we’ll be in great shape, not only because the TE will be a good addition, but because we’ll be able to pass out of our base 2 TE set more often.
Peelle, while a serviceable run blocker, wasn’t that much of a receiving threat. Palmer is young and may not be ready for a full load in spite of being a capable receiver. He might not be nearly as good of a run blocker. If we can bring in a young, proven TE who can do both, that will also open our offense up.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the concept
behind an athletic TE. What people are overlooking is that is not how ATL uses their TE’s.
Palmer might not be ready for a full load? Huh? Based on last year he won’t have the chance for any load.
If you think adding another TE will open up MM’s offense I don’t really have anything else to say.
Well, we cut Peelle and Kelly can't be counted on to make many (if any) catches from the TE spot.
If we have Kelly/Gonzo in our 2 TE set, it would be less effective to pass from it than if we have Athletic TE/Gonzo in our 2 TE set.
I believe the team likes what they have in Palmer, but he may not be ready to increase his reps on offense . He did have some catches last year if I recall correctly.
It won’t open up MM’s offense at all, but it’ll give Matt another option. If Matt has two receiving options at TE in a 2 TE set, he can audible a flip of the play so that the TE that would help block will go out to catch and the catch TE would, in turn, go block. You can’t do that with Gonzo/Kelly out there unless you play decoy, which is less effective.
Assuming that is a potential audible (if it’s not, I’ll go become an OC and make it an audible myself) then that would be on Matty, not MM.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelly can't be counted on for catches only
because he never gets thrown to. It’s not because he can’t catch.
You posted earlier that adding another TE would open up the offense and then you said it wouldn’t. If it won’t then it’s not worth persuing. I’d rather wait and draft a TE next year or see who becomes available after cuts. No reason to trade for something that doesn’t make a substantial improvement.
It would most definitely give Matt more options. "Open up the offense" could be left to interpretation.
The only way I’d know for sure exactly how 2 TEs are used in the ATL offense would be to break down film, but unfortunately I don’t have access to that.
It would be my guess that one TE goes out and the other blocks. If we only have one serviceable catcher, the D will know exactly who to look out for if a pass play is run. However, if there’s the possibility that either TE could block or either TE could go out on a route, then it opens up the offense. It doesn’t necessarily make MM call any plays any differently or “open up the offense” in some peoples’ terms. I’m talking about Matt Ryan using an audible to open up the offense in a different way, simply by flip flopping every route (or maybe just the TEs) on the play.
Just by having that option, the possibilites increase substantially. In terms of this team, this year, adding an athletic, multi-purpose TE opens up more options than an addition at any other position on the entire team at this point, in my opinion.
I have a hard time believing Kelly was never thrown to if he can indeed be a receiving TE. That wouldn’t explain why Carson Palmer (a good passer, imo) never threw to him. It also wouldn’t explain why they drafted Gresham, who had almost twice the receptions in his rookie year than Kelly had in any single year with any team.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not going to argue about opinions
It’s a waste of time. As far as Kelly goes his catch rate is very good and he does have good hands. To be fair they are short routes but so are TG’s.
I could see LT being a real possibility.
Otherwise, the OL is fine in my opinion.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Caleb....
I want to know why you keep taking these not-so-subtle shots at DOL in your posts.
Huh?
Not sure what you’re talking about. I used to say DOL was reliable in my six packs, however with Miko Grimes’s explosion at him, I no longer call him reliable, I basically just say “Whatever your opinion of him, DOL has some good stuff for him this week.”
I’ve kept my nose clean of that and I’ll continue to do so.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, I guess I read it the wrong way...
I was just curious if it had to do with that situation, which was blown way out of proportion for no reason.
Anyone who reads at a high school level
Has good reason to criticize DOL. The guy doesn’t know football, he certainly doesn’t know grammar or the correct spelling of words, and his videos are entertaining only for how stilted and awkward he can be on camera. If anything, I think Caleb has been pretty nice to DOL, considering the circumstances.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 21, 2011 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually anything on the internet or in the newspaper
isn’t even high school level reading.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Vernon Davis
is a heck of a TE also but I doubt it’s a TE. CJ2K makes the most sense just can’t see how they pull it off. But hey Ray Edwards signed for less if CJ was willing to take like 8-9 and they traded Turner that would probably work. Man I’d love to have CJ but still would hate to see turner gone. I hate the business of football.
by BigFalcon84 on Aug 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
How does Chris Johnson
make the least bit of sense? Unless ATL does some amazing cuts or restructuring there is not way they can afford him.
I was very disappointed...
that we couldn’t seem to tackle. Left me with a “here we go again” feeling. And since I’ve been a fan since the William Andrews days I’ve seen a lot of “AGAIN”.
I thought the 1st team defense tackled well in the run game. Special Teams & the backup D were atrocious tackling. I bet alot of teams are going through this with the new rules limiting padded practices.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Here are the tweets from The Dean
“Falcons are contemplating a personnel move which, if it happens, will cause everyone to go icky-balooky. Unbelievable!”
I’m sorry I mentioned it but I couldn’t hold my water. Y’know I can’t tell you, but yeah, unbelievably GOOD. It means Birds think THIS YEAR!"
When asked about it on radio today Dean stuck by it & said we should know something in about a week.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 6:34 PM EDT reply actions
Randy Moss?
IDK?
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
O Goodness lets hope not
Moss is one dimensional, doesn’t block & wants to start. He would be a chemistry problem. TO as well.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
He'd have to get over himself if he wanted to start.
but he certainly doesn’t have to block. We have plenty of those.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Just saying.
But honestly, when I really thought about it,I thought this about our FO.
What if our FO was trying to get Moss in here to show JJ how to be THE speed threat receiver in the NFL! Plus moss can play and add that dimension, somewhat, until JJ gets good at it. Like an artform almost, having someone like JJ that could jump and catch like Moss, plus the speed too. WOW. Remember a young Moss turned Culpepper and the vikings into a 15-1 powerhouse! It’s a weapon that is very rare. Moss is thinking, hey I could train the dude, help the WR core anf get a ring maybe. But the only problem I have with this whole scenario is this. What WR would we cut? I dont want to get rid of Meier or Harvey, and you know that the top 4 are already RW,JJ,HD, & weems. Yeah, the more I think the more I realize this aint gonna happen. lol
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by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
The same 15-1 powerhouse that lost to us inexplicably in the NFCCG?
Also, Weems would be cut, I’d be willing to bet.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that one. lol loved that game, favorite of all time , right now.
weems? you think? They were throwing to him Fri though.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think, if something like that were to happen, Weems would be the first to go.
Weems is the first receiver who doesn’t occupy his own niche in the offense.
Roddy, The Number 1: The Go-to guy. The reliable vet with both youth and experience.
Julio, the Young Gun: The blazer. The super athlete. The selfless, hard worker.
HD, the Mighty Mite: The speedy, agile slot guy. The capable returner.
Meier, the Do-It-All: The tall, big-bodied possession receiver. The utility guy.
Weems has plenty of uses, but they mostly come on special teams. He’s a great ST player. I don’t doubt that for a second, but we have other returners and I’d be willing to bet someone can be coached up to cover kicks as well as he does.
Weems just doesn’t have his own niche on offense, which means he’s replaceable. He fits more of HD’s role, but HD is already there and does it better.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Weems is imortant to ST's
but not only returns, but he is awesome in kick coverage as well. He makes our coverage teams much better (isn’t this why he went to the probowl, not because of his returns, but because of his tackles on ST’s). I just dont see him going anywhere, that’s why I dont think it will be any kind of a receiver.
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He's definitely a great ST player in both coverage and returning.
I just feel like, with the other returners we have (Quizz, HD, Franks, all of whom will make the team for sure) and the ability to more than likely coach someone up to cover as well as Weems, he’d get the axe.
I love Weems. He busts his ass on every play, but if a receiver goes, it’ll be him.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
No they wont get rid of Weems
He’s a special teams Ace coming off of a pro bowl season. If we picked up another Wr I think we would keep 6 & Harvey plus the other youngsters would be cut Harvey possibly practice squad.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Weems is not going anywhere this season.
In the last two games Weems was hardly in the coverage unit. Franks ,Owens and Antone Smith were atrocious in coverage playing for Weems. I don’t think coaching staff would get rid of Weems looking at the tape of last 2 games. I was also hoping coverage with out KB 71 would be good but looks like he needs to be there again. I was hoping KB71 could be fresh to have a break out year.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Weems making the final roster isn’t a sure thing thanks to Harvey, Franks, and Bush.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, let's say there is a trade in the works
and ATL is tight on cap space. What would we have to give up to get Rodger-Cromartie from PHI? That would address the nickel back and would cost much for this season.
Well considering, Phi may need a Nickel Corner to be given back, then...
I would say it could be done pretty easily, if Phi likes Owens! lol Then we would have to give back a higher draft pick If they dont like him that is.With those 3 and pissing off Samuel, I wonder if Philly might give up R-C for hardly anything. Lets say either Owens and a 5th rder, or a 3rd rder straight up.2012 that is. Cuz think about what he said, Falcons thinking this year! Well if we do trade away our 3rd rder then we only got like a 2nd and then the 6th round! 1st and 4th are gone, trade the 3rd, man thats a slim draft. lol But whats the diff? Get R-C now or wait and draft a 3rd rd nickelback, but then you gotta get him up to speed, so I would say Adv to get R-C now!
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree but
Its hard to belive Philly would trade a guy like that to us. We are one of 3 teams that have the talent to keep them from winning the conference. I think if there is a trade it will be with an AFC team or rebuilding NFC team. There’s gotta be someone we’re not thinking of.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, ur prolly right
If I was Philly I wouldnt give us nuttin’!!
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 21, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
My thought is this guys...
With the injuries at DT, and that really being THE ONLY weak link left on the line, PLUS we know CMS like to use BIG DT’s to get a push, which we dont really have outside of PJerry, I could see us making a move there possibly for a stud DT. Depending on who you are talking about I guess. Probowl DT, then you trade A young guy like Walker or even Davis(prefer this) plus a 3rd round pick. If not a probowl player and we are going after size primarily then it could be a 5th rd pick and Davis?
What do ya think?
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
I don't think so
We cannot afford to give up more picks from next year. That is leveraging the future for win-now and that doesn’t work out for the long term. Also, our DT’s are already pretty big. Also, there is not apparent deficiency at DT, unlike a couple of other places.
Yahoo article
Nice article about Julio and us drafting him, etc. From reading this everyone should get a little more amped up. Shows that Ryan is a true pro, as well as Julio!!
" Ryan back to pass, He throws it long, he's going deep to Julio on his first snap! HE CAUGHT IT, HE CAUGHT IT! JJ's dragging the safety into the endzone with him! TOUCHDOWN FALCONS! TOUCHDOWN JULIO JONES!! HIS FIRST ONE IN THE NFL, AND I GOT A FEELING THE FIRST OF MANY MANY MORE TO COME FOLKS!! I GOTTA SAY IT FOLKS - JJ......... IS.......... DY - NO - MITE!!
The only shocking and surprising move at this point
Would be us shipping a starter somewhere else for a pick or a player. (Disclaimer: I am not advocating for such a trade, but discussing its possibility) What about Abe or Roddy? We assume both players were supplemented with the moves for Julio and Edwards, but what if— BB style— we ship out an older player for picks and younger players?
Roddy and Abe and
other ‘elders’ aren’t done yet though..
by FlyYouFalcons on Aug 21, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what makes them valuable- hypothetically speaking- from a trade standpoint
by TheAreopagite on Aug 21, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But he said the move was us thinking this year
Trading one of our best players is not thinking this year.
Why would we trade Abe?
Unless it was for another, equivalent DE? To do anything else would put the pash rush right back into the same situation as last season. There are few DE’s that have been as good as Abe over the past three years.
The same thing could be said for Roddy. Unless we traded for an equivalent WR it would make no sense.
Great move
For the Falcons that is. Terrible for the Texans. A 33 year old and a player likely to get cut for one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. Also, Abe was traded to us because he couldn’t play in a 3-4. So the Texans are right back where they started. People really overvalue our own players.
i think that would be extremely foolish
Especially in Roddy’s case. If we were to give him up we would effectively put ourselves in the same position we were in last year offensive, without the experience that we got from Roddy. With Abe, I think that wed be better off waiting to draft or develop someone when he really has nothing left. Bottom line is were a better team with those two on the field, and that’s what its about. When that changes, ill be the first one screaming to move the hindrance
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 21, 2011 8:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'd most definitely question the FO (something I haven't done much of to this point)...
if Roddy was traded away. Abe, I might could understand, even though I wouldn’t agree with it whatsoever unless we got an equal return, which would be rather hard to come by.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 21, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I would too but
No way Roddy is traded. It won’t even be a possibility until he is a free agent & wants a huge contract. That’s the only scenario I could envision him be traded in.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Once he's a free agent, you can't trade him anymore
So if don’t want to pay a 30+ receiver top 5 money at the position, you trade him with a year or two on the contract. The more years left on the deal, the better the compensation.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 21, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
of coarse you can
You just slap the franchise tag on him & deal him to a team that wants to pay him. I’m not saying this will happen when his contact is up. I think Julio will be great but let’s not jump the gun & advocate trading the guy that set the franchise record for catches. Roddy will lead this team in catches once again. It wont be as many ad last yr though.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's advocating the move?
I just threw it out there as a hypothetical discussion for this rumored, “shocking” move. No one is advocating this; I think you missed the point.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 21, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel ya
I didn’t say you we’re advocating it. I just said “let’s not” but ur right that would be shocking.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
White's contract is till 2015
By which time he will be 34. So I don’t see why we would trade him for contract related reasons.
Thanks
I didn’t realize it ran that long. Roddy will probably be a Falcon for life & that’s fine with me.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry Dave
for hijacking the thread. We heard this unsubstantiated rumor and then nothing. Its an interesting thought that they might have one more “big” move.
I wouldn't say then nothing
I heard the Dean stand by the rumor today on 790 when Hans Heizer asked him about it today. He said “we’ll know something in about a week.” Beau Bock is a respected sports radio host he’s been doing it since 1973. I’m sure he has connections. If hr says a source is telling him that I believe him. If it’s wrong I think a source is misleading him. Of coarse if it’s a trade it could always fall apart.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No problem at all
I haven’t been posting about it because I don’t believe it for a second. That’s just me being blunt.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 21, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
For the record
D Orlando Ledbeter shot it down too. If he’s just making it up that’s just straight wrong.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he believes he's making it up
I’m sure he’s talked to someone who has mentioned it as a possibility and he’s running with it. So I don’t think he’s lying…I just think he’s wrong.
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He also said the world would end in October (but he was 6 months off)
….or was it the other guy?
LOL
That was some old cat from California.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I have an inkling
Read this. There’s only a handful of guys that would apply to, and none of them are guys I would be remotely impressed with the Falcons signing.
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Thats souds like
a Randy Moss Terell Owens type of thing. Which sounds like trouble.Terell Prior. Who else could that apply to? Anyone on defense? Taylor Mayes?
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about
I can’t believe the Falcons would actually go after a guy like Owens/Moss at this point. Really hope not Mays.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 21, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Drew Brees.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Backup for Ice
Just Kidding! I wish though we don’t have to face him twice a year
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I Agree
I don’t see us having a need for any of those guys. I thought we needed depth at Wr but after 2 preseason games all I think we need is veteran help in the secondary. Not an expensive starter like A Samuel but a vet backup CB &/or safety.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Question....
Since I don’t know the context of what Beau was responding to, is his reference to ‘Off Limits’ to mean a player the team would consider brining in that was previously off limits, or possibly a player on the current roster that might be traded away? Just making sure, because I assumed the latter when I read it, but your posts suggest the former.
Trading our own guys?
This begs the question who is replaceable in the current roster who is worth something to other teams.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
From what he said, I take it as "off limits" in teh Falcons conversation
Meaning the fan conversation. That would have to be somebody like DeAngelo Hall, T.O., Moss, etc.
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He also tweeted:
Hey, I was just reading your tweets. Are you kidding me? Do u think I pull this stuff outta my rump? use your heads n figure it out. Obvious
You're all so damn dumb
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions
haha. love it
Like in class, when a professor is fishing for an answer that is OBVIOUS when you study the material for 30 years. Aren’t we stupid?
by TheAreopagite on Aug 22, 2011 7:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Wait, it is obvious!
We’re trading for MIchael Vick.*
*In no way can this ever, or should this ever, happen.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 22, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions
If he’s referring to Owens I would lose my mind!
I’m a huge fan.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that Terrel Owens?
Yeah, just who we need to add to the team and be a great influence on JJ. A washed up prima donna.
When’s the last time Owens had an issue in this league?
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Is that an answer?
Owens hasn’t had a problem in this league in over 4 years, damn there are convicted felons who get a second chance at redemption and employment.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes that was an answer
hard to figure out? TO has been a cancer one every team he’s been on except for BUF and CIN because they sucked. He wasn’t in the lime light so noone cared about him. He’s a self centered drama queen that has destroyed every good team he’s been on.
That answer’s hard to figure out because it’s incorrect. Dallas was a good team, he didn’t have any issues there besides the media (Ed Werder) stirred drama between him, Witten, and Romo that didn’t exist. Owens was released because Austin stepped up big.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn't exist? Really
I live in DFW and if it didn’t exist it sure was a huge media conspiracy. I guess his whole self concocted suicide was whipped up by the media also. Yeah, whatever you want to think.
If you don’t know him personally it doesn’t matter where you live, all the media/news sources will say the same thing.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course they will
His behavior had nothing to do with it. All of his interviews were distorted by the media. His “suicide” attempt was fabricated by his media representative and the media itself. His antics on the sidelines during games was an illusion. All the media, everywhere, is out to get TO.
Good luck to him, but as I said I hope it’s not in ATL.
Michael Irvin, Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco, Plaxico Burress, KeyShawn Johnson, all cocky sons of bitches who get/got portrayed by the media as bad guys but regardless of whatever they’ve done or what anybody says they’re all Hall of Famers.
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah and I could care less
because the discussion isn’t about ATL signing any of those guys.
You like TO, fine. I don’t and that’s fine also. All I can say is that if ATL signs him I will be very disappointed in the FO.
Sounds like your love for the team is conditional.
There’s a lot Julio could learn from a future Hall of Famer. Boy I tell you it sure helped Roddy (Joe Horn).
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
TO is a Diva
JJ in first radio interview with Falcons said " I am no Diva".
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
TO was a diva, those days are long gone.
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Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe so, but he’s still awesome to me.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re not even speaking English anymore.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I only understand coherent sentences and statements.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Just messing with you man, I’m married so any time I have the chance to get the last word I take it because it sure doesn’t happen at home.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Plaxico Burress, Ochocinco and Keyshawn Johnson
Are not future Hall of Famers. Burress has never even made a Pro Bowl, he’s nowhere near. Ochocinco and Johnson are simply way too far back in the queue to get in. Guys like Tim Brown, Cris Carter and Andre Reed haven’t even got in yet. Countless other receivers who played in their time are ahead of these guys too; Owens, Moss, Hines Ward, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson and countless others.
Plaxico Burress, Ochocinco and Keyshawn Johnson Are not future Hall of Famers.
This is so incorrect it’s funny. Burress has the numbers and a game winning touchdown in a SuperBowl. Chad Ochocinco holds nearly every meaningful team receiving record in the book for the Bengals. And saying Keyshawn isn’t a future Hall of Famer just makes no sense at all.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Wow
Plaxico Burress has never made a Pro Bowl or an All Pro team. He doesn’t have the numbers. He is number 86 all time in receiving yards, with 62 guys ahead of him on that list who aren’t in the Hall. That includes guys like Muhsin Muhamma, Laverneaus Coles, Amani Toomer and Joe Horn. He ranks No.111 all time in receptions and number 79 all time in touchdowns. All of this while playing in the most pass happy era of all time. Plaxico Burress is nowhere near a Hall of Fame receiver. Santonio Holmes also has a SB winnning catch, I guess that makes him a Hall of Famer. Burress’ best season is 1325 yards and 7 touchdowns. He is a good player, not a dominant one. He only has 4 seasons out of 9 with more than 1000 receiving yards and only 2 seasons with double digit touchdowns. Burress is nothing close to a hall of famer. Yet you state that “this is so incorrect it’s funny”, when you are the one making completely ridiculous points. Plaxico Burress will never even sniff the Hall of Fame. Stating this indicates a lack of awareness of the HOF system and NFL history, ridiculing the other viewpoint indicates sheer ignorance.
Onto Ochocinco; 41st in TD’s, 28th in receptions and 27th in yards. Good numbers (Much better than Burress), but still not good enough as he has played on perenially bad teams. And yes he holds a lot of Bengals receiving records, but the Bengals are one of the perennially worst teams in the NFL. He was on pace for the Hall, but his last few seasons have likely stopped that as he has only had 1 good season out of the last 3. He again only has double digit TDs once in his career. Again this is whilst playing in the most pass happy era of all time.
Kewyshan Jonson probably has the best case of the 3 (30th in yards, 22nd in receptions but only 52nd in touchdowns). The low TDs really hurts him, as does the fact that he was only an All Pro once and a Pro Bowler 3 times out of 11 seasons. Additionally in those 11 seasons he only had 4 with more than 1000 yards receiving and double digit TDs only once.
WR is considered one of the most difficult positions to get into the HOF at, and there is already a backlog at the position. Burress has no chance, Johnson and Ocho have a very slim one.
Consider the players at WR who are not yet in the Hall, and that voters like to compare players to their contemporaries. Terrell Owens, Randy Moss, Cris Carter, Marvin Harrison, Tim Brown, Isaac Bruce, Andre Reed, Mark Clayton, Andre Rison, Hines Ward, Torry Holt, Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald and Andre Johnson all have stronger cases than the players you mentioned. There is no way the voters will elect all these players from the same position and same era to the HOF. It is for the best of the best, not players that waltbabyluv happens to think were really good.
Wow. That’s way too much to read. You win!
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
But wait
I thought I was “so wrong it’s funny”. Strange to get that sort of condescension from someone who can’t read a few paragraphs.
Haha a few? That’s not even a comment anymore, it’s an article.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
It's 5 paragraphs
Strange how you can act so patronising one second and then be so intimidated by a block of text the next. Either that or you’ve read it and realised that suggesting a player with 0 Pro Bowl appearances is a sure fire Hall of Famer is over the top, to say the least.
i just dont think he realizes
How tough it is for a WR to make it to the HOF. Chris Carter was a great WR & isnt in yet. If I’m not mistaken Tim Brown & Art Monk who were both 2nd in catches when they retired aren’t in either.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Art Monk is in the hall now, isn't he?
Upon looking at wiki, it says he went in in 2008.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 22, 2011 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe not perfect.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Also
Palmer had problems with Owens last season, Owens cutting off routes led to a lot of Palmer’s interceptions.
Haha this ^ is so made up. Unless of course you were in the locker room and film room with them? Were you? Probably not.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
From Peter King
“Marvin Lewis will do Palmer a favor and make sure neither Chad Ochocinco or Terrell Owens will be on the roster opening day — whenever that is.”
Also Owens on the Bengals poor season:
“you start with the owner, you start with the coaches"
Several media outlets reported that Palmer was unhappy with Owens cutting off routes and he coincidentally played his best football when TO and Ocho were out of the lineup. Believe it if you want but it wasn’t me that “made it up”.
i dont think
Anyone is saying TO shouldn’t get another shot, but I don’t think Atlanta would be the place to do that. I hope he does get a chance somewhere, but the pros don’t outweigh the cons for us specifically. We’ve already got depth at wr and enough offensive weapons to make my head spin as is. I don’t want to have to worry about keeping a guy like Owens content with his touches with everyone we already have.
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 21, 2011 11:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At this point of his career and at his age I don’t think Owens would cry about touches.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 21, 2011 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But is it worth running the risk if he does?
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The bigger questions might be
at this stage of his career what would he bring to the team? Would he be happy playing #4WR? The answers are “nothing” and “no”.
i agree. thats what i meant with the "pros and cons" statement earlier.
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree as well
We shouldn’t sign either but if forced to choose I think I prefer TO to Moss. Both Divas but I’ve never heard TO accused of not playing hard.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
At his age? Of course not but if they signed him, as a fan of his all I’m saying is I’d be very happy.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
i think he & Ocho drove C Plamer Crazy
He hasn’t had a major issue since Dallas, but he’s just the type to yell at Matt Ryan every time he thinks he should’ve gotten the ball bit didn’t. Bad for team chemistry. Plus he’s old, coming off major knee surgury, and has a tendancy to drop alot of passes.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would think that means a character issue
since the Falcon way has been not to deal with those guys after the Vick fiasco. Thus those guys were "off limits " IDK, just speculation on my part.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Falcons have 1.1 M left in cap space.
Falcons don’t have much cap space left to sign unless we are shipping some one like Roddy White,Matt Ryan,DR,Michael Turner or JA 55 to other teams.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
There are other options
like CDavis ($3.7MM) but it would take a package deal to amount to an appreciable amount of cash.
exactly I dont think Davis will be on this team @ that #
Its also why I think if we do make a move it will be for someone who makes $4 mil or less.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Not many teams have 3.7 M left in the cap space.
Falcons might just release C Davis. I doubt any other team will burn 3.7 M in Cap space. May be Chiefs ,Buc or Vills.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions
“off limits” could mean a hated rival or opponent.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith (CAR)?
again, another WR that I have a hard time believing the FO would risk locker room chemistry for.
Albert Haynesworth?
It's all about Process...
He would fit that description
and would fill a need more than a Wr but, from what I hear he’s not even practicing with NE right now. I just don’t think he even cares about football anymore.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
" "
That’s from both of us.
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 21, 2011 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
But I don’t think we are going to make a move for washed up WR like TO. At this point Jenkins 12 is a better option than TO or Moss.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Rober James for Albert Haynesworth.
I don’t see giving up anything more for him.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Haynesworth
Is the absolute last person I would want to have on my team. I wouldn’t root for him even if he was with us.
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 21, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The Pats just traded for him
Why would they trade him again?
Word is Jenk had asked for a trade before we cut em
plus I assume one of those guys if signed would come on a minimum incentive laden deal. I’m not in favor of it just saying why Jenk staying wasn’t an option.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want Jenkins.
Keep Jenkins was a better option than signing TO. I don’t think we are getting a WR. We are set with WR for the season. May be a NB or a safety like Sharper to play a NB.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Keeping Jenkins was a better option.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i could deal with that.
It would address a need with a capable player.
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 21, 2011 11:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sharper is an interesting thought
Could he play nickel back? Or could Decoud play nickel & Sharper play Safety in the nickel package?
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 21, 2011 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He is a Free Safety.
FS playing a NB is not very uncommon in the NFL. Its usually harder to train a strong safety to play Nickel. Its possible but not sure if Sharper would want to play NB.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 21, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm aware of that
I’m asking do yall think he is capable of covering WRs with his age & recent injury history? And if not do y’all think Decoud could because I know Moore isn’t that type of safety. Honestly even though Sharper is a big name I wouldn’t call signing him a BIG move at this point. Though he would add vet depth.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Decoud was our best guy in coverage last year.
Though he had less interceptions and got burned early in the season he was good for most of the games. I don’t see him moving to NB.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
the only move i can see myself being happy with
At this point is picking up a nickel back. I don’t see a glaring need anywhere else, but so far I’m not extremely impressed with our options at the ncb position. Even still, who could we target without breaking the bank and/or getting an upgrade worthy of being dubbed a “big move”?
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 21, 2011 11:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Brian Williams?
It's all about Process...
I'd be ok with Haynesworth
Everyone is quick to call the guy a cancer but before going to Washington, he was a big time force on the DL. He lost motivation because the Redskins basically took him away from the position where he made his name. I like the guys we have but Lets be honest, before the Washington stint, how many people here wanted Haynesworth in ATL?
how long ago was that?
He’s had time to prove that he can match that level of play for a few years, but instead of attempting to earn the checks he was getting, he was constantly at odds with his superiors, and now isn’t even in football shape. From the outside it appears he got paid and became content. It’s really too bad because how good could he have been if he had a better attitude?
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 22, 2011 12:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Big time force" is way off
Haynesworth had two good seasons with TEN. His first five were average at best.
I'd disagree
He was creating consistent pressure up the middle and was getting mentioned for defensive MVP. That doesn’t happen too ofter for interior linemen.
Disagree all you want
his numbers aren’t anything special based on Profootball reference. I’ll just have to take your word for it.
Numbers aren't everything though.
The guy ate up so many double teams. He was as good as Babineaux I’d imagine. I’m too lazy to look it up.
I wouldn’t want that attitude though.
by ndnpride8806 on Aug 22, 2011 3:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not Haynesworth
The Patriots just acquired him a few weeks ago.
I just think
If we we’re gonna get him we would’ve done it before NE traded for em. Unless Corey Peters is more injured than the FO is letting on.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Once he was taken out of the 4-3 based defense he was used to things turned ugly, but I’m almost certain he knew Washington was a 3-4 team before he signed that big fat contract.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
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by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
WAS was 4-3 before Shannahan.
He was not happy that WAS moved to 3-4 after a year he signed with them.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats correct
He became disgruntled when they changed his role. He felt they lied to him (per his own words) Its like telling Roddy to play TE when he’s been a WR his entire career.
He had the option of being
a professional and learning the new position or being a child. He chose to be a child. That attitude is not what ATL needs right now.
I think he’d be ok in Atlanta, they’re a 4-3 team.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
He did have the option
but a D-linemen’s [performance is measured in sacks. When you tell a guy to be a NT when he’s made a career going after the QB, of course its gonna be a hard pill to swallow.
During
His free agency period he stated multiple times his desire to remain in a 4-3. That was a large reason why he chose the ’Skins. There were 3-4 teams that were better than WAS interested in him, but he made it made it clear that he DID NOT want to play in a 3-4 at NT or DE.
by birdwatch on Aug 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe they did tell him they were changing to a 3-4 but all he heard that day was $100 million dollars.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Unlikely he knew that Red Skins are moving to 3-4.
It was only after Shannahan became coach they switched to 3-4.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They knew, starting with Bruce Allen, to Mike Shannahan, all the coordinators they were preparing to make those moves in early 2009.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah they told Haynesworth in a Time Machine.
Before signing with Redskins, Haynesworth and Dan Snyder sat in a time machine in early 2009 and saw that Shannahan will be the coach in 2010. Haynesworth also saw that Shannahan likes to run 3-4 defense and will bench him once they move to 3-4 Defense.
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
In the early part of the 2009 season, it was reported that the Washington Redskins were interested in naming Shanahan their head coach, replacing Jim Zorn.
wikipedia
Sarcasm fail.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Dallas was most rumored place for Shannahan.
Anyways Haynesworth himself told that he didn’t knew that redskins were moving to 3-4
It's all about Process...
by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Correct Again
Salad was indeed the most rumored place for Shannahan.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
*Dallas*
My bad typing on a cell phone.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Even if it was early in the 2009 season
That Shanahan was rumoured as the next Skins coach, Haynesworth signed for the Skins in March. That would be about 6 months earlier than early in the 2009 season. Haynesworth didn’t know the Skins were changing to a 3-4, he was told he would be playing in Gregg Blache’s 4-3. He played in this scheme for a season, but following the 2009 season Blache retired and was replaced by Haslett, who implemented a 3-4.
That is right
Jim Zorn was Washington’s coach when Haynesworth signed. After playing there for 1 year Shanahan came in & changed to a 3-4. But for 100 million id be willing to move to the offensive line if I were him.
by DaDirtiestBird23 on Aug 22, 2011 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions
The Redskins knew Bruce Allen and Mike Shannahan were their guys in early 2009, its possible someone told him that when he signed to reassure him that the Redskins were headed in the right direction. I’m pretty sure they didn’t showcase Jim Zorn.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
This makes no sense
They signed Haynesworth in March. If they knew that Shanahan would have been their coach, why not hire him in the 2009 offseason and fire Zorn? They decided to hire Shanahan midway through the 2009 season, not in early 2009. This was 6 months after they signed Haynesworth.
Haynesworth complaining about the Redskins 3-4:
“Let me play like I played in Tennessee. I will show you. I made a lot of plays in Tennessee; I can do the same thing here. All you’ve got to do is take off the dadgum leash and let me loose and you will see how great I am. … I want to play football; that’s what I want to do. Let me be great at it. Let me accomplish my goals. I want to be the best defense tackle to ever play this game.”
Jim Haslett on Haynesworth:
“Trying to get him to do the 3-4 stuff was trying to get a square peg into a round hole. We were trying to force the issue,” Haslett said. “Obviously, it hasn’t worked out the way we would like. I still think he can do it, ‘cause he’s a good athlete and he is athletic and tough enough to do it. I think he just needs more time doing it.”
The Redskins changed to a 3-4 a whole year after signing Haynesworth. He felt they deceived him by doing this. He did not know he would be playing in a 4-3 scheme. That is a fact.
Couldn’t help but notice how much you enjoy replying to my comments.
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Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
When people say things that are totally wrong
I call them on it. You just happen to say more things that are totally wrong than anybody else.
by Mosugo on Aug 22, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m entitled to an opinion whether you agree or not it’s my opinion. Who are you to say you call people out when they say things that are wrong? As if you’re the most upright poster on the Falcoholic.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
It doesn’t hurt to say, “My Bad” or “I was wrong” once in a while. Even the occasional “you’re right” goes a long way.
I deleted a couple posts here for language
But I want to address this to the thread in general. Let’s not do this. Please.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I apologize. It’s only a couple of people on here who just challenge me and drive me to that point. It’s hard to even enjoy posting comments here sometimes.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we could all take a deep breath and stand back sometimes
When threads become 100 comments worth of “you’re wrong” followed by “no, you’re wrong” then it’s as much my fault as anyone’s.
Let’s all take it easy for today. Cotton candy and rainbows, kids.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Needless to say I don’t think I’ll be on here anymore. Obviously I’m the problem, if you notice throughout the entire thread. Also I’m too just damn stupid to be here :
You just happen to say more things that are totally wrong than anybody else.
Good luck to our Falcons in 2011.
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Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Aug 22, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can respect that
Shoot me an e-mail, if you’re so inclined.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 22, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
if he didnt
He’s worse than I thought. That would indicate that all he saw was the numbers on the offer. $$$
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 22, 2011 12:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Curtis Lofton asked for a trade. Here is the reason from his tweet.
@CurtisLofton50:
Say what?! U okay? Hope the world isnt coming to an end!RT @roddywhiteTV I really do need a girlfriend
It's all about Process...
am i the only one
That can’t read tweets and understand who is sending/receiving them between the involved parties? I’m 21, I should be on top of these things.
by FalconfanPhil on Aug 22, 2011 12:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Curtis Lofton-->Roddy White
It's all about Process...
Curtis Lofton
Solid starter, but we employ more interesting, Tampa-2 looks if we had a super athletic MLB. I know he is beloved by all, has been a rock of consistency on the defense, but maybe that would be the next step up? Patrick Willis anyone?
by TheAreopagite on Aug 22, 2011 7:36 AM EDT up reply actions
have to disagree
only b/c Willis is the premier LB in the league right now. He’s a tackling machine, AND excellent in coverage.
However, this season may prove you right, b/c Willis no longer has the luxury of Aubrayo Franklin playing in front of him. Maybe Franklin helped Willis look better than he is, we’ll see I guess.
He only gets so many tackles because he D-Line misses so many.
Big reason why they generally suck against the run.
by VenomySnicket on Aug 22, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
You never know what will catch fire, eh?
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by Dave Choate on Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
True...although some probably need a bucket or two of water thrown on them... :-/
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Cee Lo 50 is not allowed to leave the ATL
No – we NEED tha Police. We LOVE the Police.
Plus – who is going to come up with nicknames like “Hamburger” for Kroy Biermann? I ask you – WHO?!?
Hopefully Roddy can take him to Waffle house, and can work this all out.
Somebody find him a GF real soon.
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by Vishnu_falcon on Aug 22, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions

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