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So I had mega writer's block and promised Dave a post, and was stumped for a few minutes until it occurred to me that I watched the entirety of the Panthers game last night (because I live in North Carolina. Woo!)

Yes, I watched super-hyped QB Cam Newton put in some work, I also watched Jimmy Clausen do some stuff, and by the time Derek Anderson entered the game, I no longer cared.

However, the Panthers look like they might be something worth batting more than an eyelash at this year. After the jump, a brief opinion of what the Panthers might have in store for opponents this year.

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Save for one really, really dumb play (I blame DeAngelo for the INT), I thought Jimmy Clausen played well. His release is really quick, and he made some pretty good throws against the Giants starters. He also took several sacks, so take that how you want. Their running game was about what you'd expect. They have 2 really good running backs and a serviceable third in Goodson. I don't remember who all of theirs didn't play last night aside from Thomas Davis and Steve Smith, but I believe some of their OL didn't play.

The Panthers opened their wallet to sign all kinds of players, most notably Jeremy Shockey and Greg Olsen. Olsen could be a problem for us if we try to zone blitz with him on the field. He's very fast and he's a good pass catcher.

They had some good plays from local favorite Armanti Edwards, who had one 30+ yard catch from Cam and two 20-ish yard punt returns. He could be someone to watch out for this year.

Speaking of Cam, I thought he looked about how any rookie would in his first game action. He has a terror of an arm, his accuracy is rookie-level, but you can tell he's going to give everything he has to be good in this league. I don't think Cam will start in Week 1 (Heck, Anderson might win over the other two) but I'd look for Cam to start by the time we play them later on in the season.

Cam is a fantastic athlete. He didn't try to run any last night, choosing to try and make all the throws instead. He looked solid coming out from under center and his drop back was pretty smooth as well. He has the arm to make all the throws, but his accuracy still needs some work. If he gets his accuracy up, look out.

Their defense did some good things, but I think, aside from their LB corps and Charles Johnson, they have some liabilities on defense. They're going to have to start two young guys at DT, and their cornerbacks (Captain Munnerlyn was one of them, he didn't play, but he's ehh..... I believe.) were iffy at times. They had some good safety play at times, too.

They signed Olindo Mare, and for good reason. I don't believe any of his kicks will be brought out of the endzone this year. He was booming them almost through the goal posts from the 35.

They'll experience some growing pains, but the Panthers could give us a good game by the time we play them later in the season. They'll have some noticeable improvement, especially since they have former Eagles DC Sean McDermott as their DC now, and the Eagles have given us annual fits.

There's your Panther report. I think Cam will be pretty good in time, but I don't know if it'll be this year or not. Clausen isn't letting the starting job get away from him, either. Should be an interesting preseason for them.

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We could struggle if we look past them or come out flat

But that hasn’t been a problem under Smith. Still calling them 2 somewhat easy W’s

by FLA_Falcon on Aug 14, 2011 4:38 PM EDT reply actions  

We don't play them until like Week 9 or 10 for the first time, I believe.

If they get hot in the middle of the season once they figure everything out, they could be more trouble than I want them to be.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey hey now!

Are you wearing your panthers jersey right now?

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Aug 14, 2011 7:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Haha no.

Though DeAngelo Williams is still one of my favorite players. :P

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but...

the Falcons, and Bucs had quick turn around with the new coach/qb combo. The NFC South can’t go 3 for 3 on that, can they? I hope not… This division is tough enough already!

by FLA_Falcon on Aug 14, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The Panthers have

nothing to offer this season that they didn’t have last season. Picking up two good TE’s doesn’t matter without a QB that can get them the ball. Clausen is not a good QB and I doubt he will be. CAR’s best QB is Anderson but I’d love for Newton to start against us.

by mwalex on Aug 14, 2011 6:22 PM EDT reply actions  

The only thing thing that scares me about Newton

Is what Chad freakin’ Henne did against us Friday

by FLA_Falcon on Aug 14, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

What did Chad henne do?

We were up 17-0 with our starters in.

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Aug 14, 2011 7:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you're referring to the scrambling

I can’t wait to see Newton scamper out of the pocket and meet the Weatherspoon train one on one.

For those that don’t know or don’t remember, Weatherspoon had a tendency to hit other players so hard that they were put on the concussed list for the next season.

And yes, I know that Newton is huge and fast – I just think ’Spoon has a shoulder made of steel and a bad temperament to go with it.

by The DW on Aug 14, 2011 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

On top of that

Newton will be getting hit by NFL caliber players. I’d like to see Spoon, Nicks or C4 lower the boom on him.

by mwalex on Aug 14, 2011 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not worried about facing a Cam Newton led team

But the kid is really big and really fast, and a bunch of lighter-than-him DBs and LBs trying to ring his bell is a recipe for disaster.

Besides, our guys usually have enough difficulty just wrapping a QB up.

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by VaderX5 on Aug 15, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was referring to the scrambling

I know I’d rather have a QB running for his life than shredding us thru the air but I think Cam is big enough and athletic enough to be a dangerous runner even at the NFL level.
Also note that I said the ONLY thing that scares me about him. But, I was pointing more at our weakness to scramblers moreso than his ability as one.

by FLA_Falcon on Aug 15, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why are people so torqued about the first preseason game?

The starters played very little and training camp was super short. Let’s wait to get jumpy after the third preseason game.

by mwalex on Aug 14, 2011 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam looked better than I thought he would.

He didn’t run at all in the game, which I find to be quite impressive. If he can learn to be a legitimate passer, the running will come easy and he’ll be a freaking terror.

If he learns to pass at a high level, he could be Aaron Rodgers (very mobile, good passer) in Ben Roethlisberger’s (massive, untackleable) body.

Matty, bless his soul, isn’t nearly as mobile as Rodgers. Matty’s a fine passer, but the high mobility is always a plus.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Accuracy is key

I saw a good bit of the game too, and I thought Newton’s accuracy was decent – not great, not terrible. However, some of the passes he snuck in would have been potential picks against a 1st string defense.

The other thing to pay attention to with Newton is his ability to read defenses. This early in a preseason, defenses are going to show limited looks as the coaches seek to evaluate raw talent. QBs are going to get easy reads these first couple of games. Game 3 of the preseason will be important, especially the first half. I want to see how Newton does against a first rate defense that shows him cover and, by the time he gets the snap, is bringing a corner blitz.

by The DW on Aug 14, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants got to him a few times.

He was able to evade the first DL on one occasion, and it took the second one jumping on his back and riding him down to take him down. I thought for sure Cam was just gonna carry the guy around, because he went down on his own accord on that one.

The Panthers brought in some valuable players (Olsen being a big part of that)

If they can stay healthy, I think they’ll resemble 2008 us, but with a smaller return for them. They’ll ride those two running backs as hard as they can to keep the pressure off of their QB.

I thought his long pass to Edwards was good, and his barely-missed pass to Edwards in the endzone was placed in a good spot, it’s just that it was out of reach. He was a bit erratic, and he had a Favre-esque feel to his throws, but no doubt he’ll be fun to watch if he gets it together. The Panthers fans absolutely adore him.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think he'll be a star

He’s got all the raw skills, but the limited off-season is just going to be too much. His strength and power will help offset some of the learning curve, but I expect to see some good games from him, and some very bad games – as you’d expect from a rookie.

by The DW on Aug 14, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't gauge anything by

the first preseason game. He will in no way approimate either Rodgers or Roethlisberger as a NFL QB.

by mwalex on Aug 14, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't know that, either.

I’m not sitting here saying it’s going to happen. That’s silly. Just as there’s no way to know he won’t be like either of those men.

However, he has the physical tools (mobile, rocket arm, big body) to be like a combination of both of those men if he figures the NFL out.

I’m saying if it happens, it will be a problem.

If it doesn’t, then it doesn’t happen, however I’d rather play him like it’s going to happen and let him let himself down. Getting burned in that regard would be a terrible mistake.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's easier to say it won't

because Newton did not possess the passing skills of either QB while in college. His was not a good passer in college and took advantage of lanes that opened because of his scrambling. He will not be able to do that in the NFL.

What he did in the preseason game was not for four quarters against a #1 defense. Getting all giddy over Netwon after one game is a waste of time.

by mwalex on Aug 15, 2011 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

To say

“He will in no way approximate either of them” is a very strong statement. He was drafted no.1 for a reason, he has talent and could turn out a Roethlisberger type player. He could also fail, the point is that no one knows and to make a judgement on him this early isn’t fair.

by Mosugo on Aug 15, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your opinion

Which you have no basis for.

by Mosugo on Aug 16, 2011 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just as much of a basis

as you have for saying he’ll be a good player. Nor is my opinion any of your concern.

by mwalex on Aug 16, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he'd be a good player

I said you can’t say he’ll be a bad one. Anyway, there is more basis to argue he will be a good player as most No.1 picks in the draft turn out to be good player. So he already has a better chance than any other draftee. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but you can’t just state it as fact.

by Mosugo on Aug 16, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Saying he won't have a nice career after one game, either

My brother-in-law did that before Josh Freeman ever took the field, and he’s turned out okay. The best way to classify Newton at this point is as an unknown.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 15, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

Cam’s release is very quick. He also has a laser arm. That’s something that won’t change no matter how many preseason games are played.

I’m not saying he’ll be a hall of famer, but if he harnesses even 80% of his total athletic potential, he’ll carry the Panthers to the playoffs before too long.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ain't nobody jumpy over here!

Just the first real football talk we’ve had in a while…. gotta get out the if’s and’s and maybe’s

by FLA_Falcon on Aug 15, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Went and looked at Matty's rookie year.

34-for-59 for 294 yards, two touchdowns and one interception, including a 2-for-7 effort for 17 yards in the fourth preseason game.

Yeah, we all knew Matty would be good, but he had a whole offseason to prepare.

Once again, I’m not panicking or assuming anything about Cam, but he looked just good enough to get my attention. He seems like a good kid (he was having a ton of fun out there) but I tell ya, he’s a heck of an athlete. I say that not out of fear or homer-ness, but out of respect for the guy.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 14, 2011 9:19 PM EDT reply actions  

NFC South - wow

If he does live up to the billing, the NFC South will have 4 amazing QBs.

As for Matty – he set a ridiculously high bar that the rest of the league is trying to meet each year. Bradford last year, Newton this year. It wasn’t that long ago that teams drafted QBs to SIT them for a year or two while they watched and were mentored.

by The DW on Aug 14, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mark my words.

Cam will be a colossal bust. He absolutely cannot make the throws consistently. Go back and look at the one throw to Olsen everyone was fellating him over… Olsen was outside the numbers with the CB beat and the safety was in the middle of the field. The only thing that kept him out of the end zone was an underthrown pass. I watched Cam many, many times last year. He can throw a five yard flip or a deep ball. Anything intermediate he is terribly inconsistent. Basically, he was a great college player because his legs opened everything up. If teams rush him up the middle, contain the ends, and play competent zones he will be awful.

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by J Tadpole on Aug 14, 2011 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

For what its worth

A close friend of mine went to high-school with a one of the starters for the auburn national championship team. The player’s family threw a party celebrating the season, and at that party the player told my friends dad that Cam was a pretty nice guy, but would have trouble in the NFL because he wasn’t very smart. He then went on to say that at Auburn, the coaches told Cam to use 1 read and if it wasn’t there, to run. He said this was, in part, due to cams inability to grasp a more complex offense.

by FalconfanPhil on Aug 15, 2011 12:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Heh.

Well, can’t argue with that.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 15, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

doesn’t that contradict your earlier comments about Newton? How can someone that can’t grasp complex offenses ever be a great QB? How can he be a team leader? NFL defenses are going to be a lot more complicated that in college.

by mwalex on Aug 15, 2011 5:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one read deal is known fact.

He was running a middle school passing game. Run until the safeties start cheating then run a hi-lo route combo on one CB. He only had to read one man.

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by J Tadpole on Aug 15, 2011 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all about coaching.

Mike Vick wasn’t smart enough to read a defense after being in the league for years, yet somehow the combination of jail and Andy Reid made him nearly unstoppable.

And honestly, my opinion of Cam right now is higher than was my opinion of the newly drafted fresh-off-a-24-INT-season Matt Ryan. That guy couldn’t read a defense, didn’t know when to throw it away, and moved like statue. What a waste of a 1st round pick, right?

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by VaderX5 on Aug 15, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Quite the disparity

Ryan = 32. Newton = 21.

The average for NFL QBs is 24. The average for the past five SuperBowl winners is 30.5. The minimum most teams want to see for a QB to play in the NFL: 20.

by The DW on Aug 15, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just one follow-up

These numbers don’t tell the whole story, but they are a pretty good sign of how good a QB will be at reading defenses. However, some guys who scored below 20 from NFL history:

Dan Marino
Terry Bradshaw

That said, the top 10 to 12 QBs currently playing includes guys like Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.

by The DW on Aug 15, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marino had great numbers

but no SB’s. Bradshaw was an exception.

by mwalex on Aug 15, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bradshaw was the QB of a great DEFENSIVE team

He was competent as a QB, but not dominating.

One other QB name on the low-list: Trent Dilfer. Just thought I’d throw that one out there, given all the fans he has on the inter-webs…

by The DW on Aug 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Couldn't find numbers for Brad Johnson, but...

Turns out that Favre is in the “average” club and Big Ben probably has meaningful conversations with 2nd graders.

by The DW on Aug 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those scores are not always accurate

The company don’t release them so they come from “media sources”.

by Mosugo on Aug 16, 2011 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Close enough

Technically, contract numbers aren’t supposed to be released either – but we hear those details ad nauseum.

In general, they’re probably fairly accurate – or at least in the correct range. Matt Ryan is one of the smartest QBs in the league, and most people who have met him would agree. Cam Newton is average, if not slightly below. I don’t think anyone would argue that either.

by The DW on Aug 16, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reported Wonderlic scored

Cam Newton 21
Donovan McNabb 14
Michael Vick 20
Vince Young 6
Tarvaris Jackson 19
Jason Campbell 14
David Garrard 14

Notice a trend in all of these scores, reported only by the media, that indicate these players are “below average intelligence” for their position. ie not smart enough to play QB.

by Mosugo on Aug 16, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't turn it into a race thing

Wonderlic tests are good for assessing intelligence in certain areas. Some other QBs also ranked lower:

Trent Dilfer
Dan Marino
Ben Roethlisberger

And a 21 is not bad – it’s just not quite up to the standard that NFL QBs have as an average. 21 is actually the average for all players in the NFL.

But, since you put that list up – I’ll also make one additional point: None of those QBs has won a Super Bowl.

by The DW on Aug 16, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

The media has an agenda

These scored are reported only by them. Tim Tebow was also “reported” to have a below average wonderlic score.

Read this link: http://smartfootball.com/quarterbacking/did-cam-newton-play-in-a-one-read-passing-offense-at-auburn

And you’ll see that Newton played in an offense just as complex as Locker, Ponder and Mallet. So where do these questions about his intelligence come from? The Panthers didn’t have them. I didn’t hear other teams with those questions. They came from his media reported wonderlic score and media speculation.

by Mosugo on Aug 16, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

via SI.com
Perhaps with jitters behind him, Jones showed impressive flashes. On a rollout to the left, Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan hooked up with Jones on a short pass, as the receiver came across the middle. Jones zipped into high gear, outrunning the Dolphins’ defensive backs for a 21-yard gain to the Miami 14.

Amazingly, Jones said he did not run as fast as he can, as he slowed down to set up a block. That comment left interviewers incredulous.

“Yeah, I wasn’t,” he deadpanned.

I’m going from mancrush to incredulous twitching every time I see Super Julio say something like that. He’s a pretty humble guy, but he’s backed up any talk he’s made. I giggle like a school girl at the thought of Julio still having a gear beyond ludicrous speed.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Aug 15, 2011 3:09 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

but that’s some shitty reporting by SI. The play referenced was not a roll out, and certainly wasn’t to the left.

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by J Tadpole on Aug 15, 2011 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Armanti, Cam

Young guys go through a process be in Cam or Armanti Edwards. Potential and hard work mixed with game experience is going to make better players. They will have ups and downs but after while they have way more ups than downs. That is when as a Panther fan the fun begins.

The offseason hard work is paying early dividends. Lets hope the process can continue.
Watch them work at video link below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYNqIvUo2vE

by Pamhlz on Aug 15, 2011 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

still remains to be seen.....

We have trouble with qb’s who can run. Hopefully that changes this year.

by Pharoah_Rah on Aug 15, 2011 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

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