The Salary Cap Room In The NFC South
by Dave Choate on Jun 24, 2011 1:00 PM EDT
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Courtesy of the invaluable Pat Yasinskas comes cap figures for the entire NFC South. Be still, my beating heart!
Nothing here is particularly counter-intuitive. You would expect the Panthers to have one of the lowest cap figures and the Falcons and Saints the highest, given their relative position in the standards.
What's scary as hell is that the Buccaneers have the lowest figure in the NFC South and the entire NFL. Young, already scary team with massive amounts of cap room? Eesh.
For those curious, here's the exact figures:
- Saints, $104.8 million
- Falcons, $103.5 million
- Panthers, $73 million
- Bucs, $63.8 million
The good news is that the Falcons have about $16.5 million in wiggle room, according to Yasinskas, and depending on the outcome of CBA talks, whether the limit really is around $120 million and whether the Falcons choose to jettison some guys. That's enough for one good-sized free agent splash (Ray Edwards?) and a couple of complementary pieces, if need be.
Who do you think the Falcons and the rest of the NFC South teams will use their cap space on?
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For all you Charles Johnson band-wagoners
Consider the above a reality check. Panthers will be able to offer CJ much more should they want. Of course, they still have to sign DeAngelo and a couple of other FAs too, but we have our own guys to sign as well.
But we were 13-3 last year
And they were 2-14. How many million dollars is 11 wins worth? We also have John Abraham on the other side, they don’t. It also might help that he went to UGA.
Is that number with or without
our free agents (nicholas, peterson, clabo…)
Can we admit that Tampa has the potential for one of the scariest defensive lines in NFL history. If all the stars line up they could destroy. Detroit not far behind.
I agree 100%
Not just their defensive line though…their entire defense can be crazy. Tampa Bay is looking very good.
I think a bit of hyperbole
With “in NFL history”.
If all their draft picks pan out they could have one of the best lines in the league.
QB situation
The panthers cannot offer CJ as much as they want because if you forgot, they just signed the number 1 overall pick Cam Newton and will be dishing him loads of money till his career is over. As for Ray Edwards, there is a legitimate chance that the most talented team in sports the atlanta falcons will be able to grab him. An already stand-out star, looking to get onto a winning team with winning ways and having John Abraham on the other side opens up a large opportunity for a +12 sack season for ray edwards and johnny A but thats nothing out of the ordinary
Did not forget
Rookie-Wage scale is likely to save them much $$. Even if it were true, though, the Falcons would be on the hook for JJ.
Ray Edwards is the FA more likely to sign here
but don’t think there won’t be other teams going after him.
Bucs Defense
Their entire defense actually is sub par if you think about it. Ronde Barber is a mule we all know that, but he is realistically in the latter part of his career and cannot go for many more years. Talib is gone, that’s forsure, i dont think Raheem and anyone in the organization wants to deal with the side effects of having the great corner. Barrett Ruud could easily be leaving soon and who in the world knows what Da’quan bowers can prove, there’s reason he fell so far. But yes, i will agree their defensive line is scary but i dont agree with the great defense
Ray edwards
Of course, but who doesn’t want to come to a winning team. And it works perfectly for our 4-3 scheme. Coming over from Minnesota where he played alongside another elite DE in Jared Allen, he’s used to being on a powerful line. Just think about Abraham, Babineaux, Peters Ray Edwards. That defeats the purpose of the saints drafting mark ingram.
good takes
and welcome. Make sure you’re hitting +reply if you’re replying to a specific post.
Response: I’m not a fan of vague terms like ‘elite’ but still, I’m not sure that Jared Allen qualifies. The hype around Allen, yes, but actual performance is still too inconsistent.
by KMarch on Jun 24, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We still haven't signed any of our draft picks either.
Does that go against our salary cap as well. I don’t know the whole logistics of things, but with the guaranteed money that draft picks get under the new CBA, we may have some problems
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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Jun 24, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions
Yes it does go against our salary cap
But with a rookie wage scale all of our picks should add up to less than $10million for this year’s cap.
Sources?
Anyone got a good link to salary numbers?
YES! I’ve been looking for a site that was a good source of salaries
Thank you so much for posting this
"My parents do a lot of things behind the scenes that go unnoticed"- Cam Newton, Heisman acceptance speech.
by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 24, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't line up
Maybe it’s estimates for RFA tenders, but that totals to 88 Million for ATL.
by widderslainte on Jun 24, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It could be
b/c that site just gives the contract overall. A lot of years are weighted differently. For example, Ryan is getting a fair share of his contract money this year.
Oddly enough
I don’t think all of ATL’s players are listed on the site. I don’t see Biermann on there.
Edwards
Ray Edwards will likely stay with the Vikings as many in Minnesota expect him to. He’s the youngest of their starting four defensive lineman and they know the other three are nearing their own ends. The Vikings front office has already declared Edwards and Rice as their top offseason priorities. Ok, now that that’s out the way I want to say just because there’s approx. 16 million in cap room doesn’t mean we should spend it in one place. When you think about it that doesn’t really make sense, yes you could get Edwards if he hits the open market (which he won’t) and he may pan out but how many games can he win for you compared to a duo or trio of talented second tier system fitters signed?
I’m so glad we’re just fans and that we don’t have any say so. Some of us would produce an incomplete team year in and year out.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
uhm...
Edwards has said outright that he wants to leave Minnesota. Once the CBA is passed, he’ll be an UFA.
Since the end of the 2010 season, he has made it clear that he plans on leaving the Vikings’ organization one way or another. If he ends up an unrestricted free agent once the NFL and the players come to an agreement, he has said that he will head out of Minnesota in search of a new NFL home.
was about to say something like that, you beat me to it
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jun 24, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Naive
This is a contract dispute! Players say all types of stuff to get the front office’s attention!
“I’ve been in this business for over 20 years and players are going to get frustrated and the business side is always going to be frustrating for them,” Spielman said.
"We have a history of guys who are young who are coming into a second contract. . . . Those are the guys historically we’ve tried to definitely keep," Spielman said.
*When Florio pressed Spielman on his top internal free agent priorities not yet signed, Spielman singled out Ray Edwards as someone “who’s been a very good player for us,” then Rice. Perhaps Edwards is more of a priority to the team than Edwards lets on.The defensive end has said he’s not optimistic of a Vikings return.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Edwards
Will say all this stuff like, I would rather box than play for the Vikings or I’m not going to resign, until the Vikings (who already say they will) gives him what he wants and they’ll be the first to say “gives him what he deserves”.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
lol
i love how waitbabyluv has the “inside track” on why Ray Edwards is saying the things he’s saying.
“No, it’s a trick everyone! Can’t you see?!?!”
by cheshire falcon on Jun 25, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trick
What’s the trick? Contract disputes happen all the time and every time the team gives the player what he wants he right back to being the same old happy guy.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 25, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
And how do you know that's what's happening here?
There are also tons of instances of players saying they aren’t happy because they actually aren’t happy and want to leave. That happens all the time.
You may be right, but you may just as well be wrong… I don’t get how you can state these things as if they’re facts.
by cheshire falcon on Jun 25, 2011 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also
I don’t think anyone (sensible) is advocating for spending the rest of our cap solely on Ray Edwards or CJ. Falcons have a few players already on the roster to sign: Blalock, Pete, Grimes (possibly), Bryant and many more…
Edwards would no way cost $16million
And he is almost certain to be leaving Minnesota. He is an unrestricted free agent who wants to leave. The team have already used their franchise tag. They have no way of keeping him as he doesn’t want to stay there.
Remember this
Remember this comment when he resigns with the Vikings. I’ll have my FanPost typed up and dedicated to you and KMArch when they do.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Whatever works for you...
To go back to your original point, (where you assumed signing Edwards would suck up all the available cap money) what ‘duo or trio’ of ‘system fitters’ should we be looking out for?
CBA
Ask me this after the lockout is officially lifted, that’s when things will be more clear.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Exactly
We’re all operating under a veil of uncertainty due to the lock out. Thus, when people want to take a player (like Ray Edwards) at his (repeatedly quoted) word, you likely shouldn’t say it’s naive to do so. One could retort with the same claim about your willingness to decide that the Minnesota GM will have the final word in the matter.
Think
about it why would a player who clearly knows that nothing can be done about his contract during a league lockout be so vocal about his frustrations if not only to get the attention of his front office? His actions during a lockout would not be attractive to many other teams and GMs who know the Vikings to be a classy organization. Also I can’t find the link but an employee of mine just said on the Vikings official site it said Spielman promised Edwards he would be a top priority and that he would get the long term deal he deserves. This led many to believe at first Rice would done in Minnesota and caused Spielman to try to clean it up out of respect for Rice but it looked to Edwards as if he was put on the back burner again after watching his backup get a deal before he did. This is when all the frustration began to pour out of Edwards, all of this is coming from someone I know who is a die hard Vikings fan so don’t qoute me on this but it sounds pretty reasonable to me.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Why Edwards is mad:
They signed his backup, Brian Robinson, to a three-year, $14.1 million contract right before the lock-out, with a huge signing bonus. That’s more money than Edwards on his rookie contract, and clearly a move to get some insurance at the position if they are moving on or can’t sign Edwards.
In addition they already have a $73 mil invested in Allen. For those doing the math at home, that’ $89 mil invested in the DE position for 2 players. Sure, maybe they go ahead and add Edward’s surely HUGE contract on there too, but that will surely be over $120 mil invested in two spots for 3 players. Of course, that’s spread out over the length of their various contracts, but still, wow.
Of course, all that doesn’t negate the possibility that Edwards goes back to the Vikes, as you so want to believe. But from a team-building aspect, it doesn’t make much sense. Especially when you have a QB to find, and have to re-sign your #1 WR.
If you read over posts on the Viking website
many fans are suprised that Robinson hasn’t moved Edwards out of the starting rotation already. Based on that I’m not sure ATL should spend big money on Edwards. Based on stats, other than just sacks, Edwards shouldn be paid much more than Beirmann.
I have noticed that
and I wonder if that’s a little bit of the ‘back-up is better’ syndrome going on in Min. Robinson got 2 sacks last year as a back-up, so I’m sure their optimism is high about him (as our was when Biermann produced as a back-up).
But let’s not forget that PFF has Edwards as the third-most productive DE in the league last year, though only producing 8 sacks. So, if we should be optimistic about Biermann b/c of his ability to rush the QB (and believe he’ll eventually get more sacks), the same should be true with Edwards; neither of them appear to have reached their peak yet.
Contrary to how it has played out in this thread, I’m not a huge advocate of absolutely signing Edwards (or CJ for that matter). I’d like to see Kroy get one more year as the starter. Though, this is mostly because I don’t want to hear all the whining from fans if Edwards doesn’t get double-digit sacks next year (similar to the Dunta-haters).
There are a couple of things about what you just said
If we don’t sign any DE (which is possible) then we’re working with the same people as last year. What makes you think the pass-rush will be any different this year? The other thing is that Biermann was starting over JA98 so he’s had some, although little, time to make his presence known on the field. I like Biermann but I still think we need someone else to go with him and Abe.
Edwards?
So I’m guessing everybody besides me thinks Edwards will come in and save the day. The Falcons under Smith and Dimitroff have historically shown to do opposite of what everybody on this site thinks and commits to the younger, less expensive guy who in this case would be Biermann. Going out and signing a big name player just because you might know his name or his life’s story doesn’t always work ( hmmm Ed Hartwell, Peerless Price, Asheley Lelie, Byron Leftwich, etc.). The key to success is sticking with your players, committing to them and letting them grow in your system. Is it ironic one of the teams who’s roster changes the least from year to year (Colts) is always a SuperBowl contender, and one of the teams who roster changes the most from year to year (Lions) is always picking early in the draft? If you bring in Edwards he has to learn the defense Biermann is already becoming adept to and if given time will master. If you’re thinking he’s worth signing to one day replace Abraham how does he come in and not interfere with Biermann’s progession while Abraham is still yet on the roster? Every way I look at this possible scenario it doesn’t make sense to me. GUYS trusts your coaches, your front office, and your players, they won’t let you down.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
It's not just about Edwards or any other FA
joining the team. Again, Abraham is getting older, biermann is still situational until he proves otherwise. After that what do you have? Nothing much. JA98 has been here for years and he’s not going to do it, Davis has been here for years and he’s not doing it, and Sidbury didn’t even see the field. Why wouldn’t you bring in a FA DE? Maybe I’m not understanding your argument or you believe that we have a pretty good DE corp.
In addtion all those vets you named
was under another regime/GM. The players that TD went after are Gonzo, Robinson, and Turner, all of which command a good deal of money and have worked out. So if he goes after Edwards or any other FA I expect him to work out just as the others.
so much wrong here
break it down in bullet points:
-I’ve heard no one indicate that Ray Edwards is the messiah of the Falcons franchise.
-Big Signings Under Smitty and TD: Turner, Gonzalez, Dunta, Mike Peterson
-All the FA disasters you mentioned were under different Falcons regimes.
-I agree with your point about sticking with your players
-Your franchise example (Colts) have one of the best QBs to ever play the game and perhaps one of the greatest GMs, that might have more to do with it than anything else.
-Your worst franchise (Lions) have had no stability at all (not only with QBs but FO as well). Redskins would have been a much more appropriate example.
-Edwards is a 4-3 DE in a 4-3 system. He has to learn to when to rush and when not to. Don’t over-complicate it.
-Regardless of a FA signing at DE, Biermann will still see extensive use in a rotation.
-In terms of trusting the FO, I think this board is one of the best at that.
by KMarch on Jun 24, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
clarification
I didn’t mean to imply that the Redskins have stability in any fashion (though they have had a modicum more than the Lions), but that the Redskins (and Raiders) are consistently the big spenders in FA.
Lions spend a little, but they’re much more active in the second tier level of FA you expressed interest in, in alternative to a big signing like Edwards.
No.........so much wrong here
-I’ve heard no one indicate that Ray Edwards is the messiah of the Falcons franchise.
The way you guys talk about him I would think he was already in red and black if I didn’t know better.
-Big Signings Under Smitty and TD: Turner, Gonzalez, Dunta, Mike Peterson
All of these were needs silly man! There was no player on the roster at those positions that made the Falcons more competitive. Dunn left needed a RB Turner’s our guy, Hartsock and Peelle stunk in came Gonzalez, Houston stunk in came Robinson, Brooking got cut little talent at linebacker in the draft in came Peterson. There’s actually a very talented young defensive end named Biermann where you guys want Edwards plugged in at.
-All the FA disasters you mentioned were under different Falcons regimes.
Where’s McKay and Blank? Oh, I thought they were still in charge. Blank makes the final decisions and McKay has more say so than Dimitroff.
-Your franchise example (Colts) have one of the best QBs to ever play the game and perhaps one of the greatest GMs, that might have more to do with it than anything else.
This is just silly. Even the great Peyton needs consistency around him. Hmmm didn’t his numbers actually drop when he got all those new young recievers?
-Your worst franchise (Lions) have had no stability at all (not only with QBs but FO as well). Redskins would have been a much more appropriate example.
The Lions roster has changed way more than the Redskins. The Redskins have had inconsistency in the coaching staff and front office but their player roster hasn’t changed nearly as much the Lions.
-Edwards is a 4-3 DE in a 4-3 system. He has to learn to when to rush and when not to. Don’t over-complicate it.
You can’t be serious. In case you are, 4-3 ends zone cover, cover flats, RB/QB/TE spy, drop back, and stunt.
-Regardless of a FA signing at DE, Biermann will still see extensive use in a rotation.
How could you possibly know this? How could taking a back seat possibly help Biermann’s game?
-In terms of trusting the FO, I think this board is one of the best at that.
Ha! Great job trying to pull everyone on your side. Beautiful!
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are sides?
Again, there’s a lot to criticize about your retorts (specifically how you qualify ‘stunk’ and your completely asinine assertion that Blank and McKay have more say than TD), but this (once again) appears to be an argument that no one can win.
Wow
Stating your own opinion as inevitable fact bq. “Remember this comment when he resigns with the Vikings. I’ll have my FanPost typed up and dedicated to you and KMArch when they do.”
is not the best way to argue. Your opinion is not fact. You may think that Edwards will resign with the Vikings and back it up just as I think he will not. But to state it as something that will happen is idiotic.
Also, Biermann will see extensive time in a rotation because Mike Smith has always extensively rotated his linemen.
The Colts roster faces continuous turnover by the way. The only true constants are the skill position players and edge rushers. Proof? The Colts are the 3rd youngest team in the NFL. http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/24828/age-rankings-for-every-nfl-team
McKay simply does not have more say than TD. He does not work on the personnel side. At all.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/24828/age-rankings-for-every-nfl-team
But to state it as something that will happen is idiotic.
Again you are always the one to result to low blows when you know you’re wrong.
Also, Biermann will see extensive time in a rotation because Mike Smith has always extensively rotated his linemen.
Didn’t see much of Sidbury, and Davis but I did see the interior linemen rotated (not extensively though) Anderson was really the only key sub guy and he played inside and out.
The Colts roster faces continuous turnover by the way. The only true constants are the skill position players and edge rushers. Proof? The Colts are the 3rd youngest team in the NFL.
The Colts are playing with the young guys THEY drafted and let grow in their system! Nobody said anything about who’s team is the youngest…… It’s clear the Colts are not big time free agent spenders, not always signing new guys, cutting guys, trading guys, but instead building through the draft and sticking with their young guys. UNLIKE THE LIONS.
McKay simply does not have more say than TD. He does not work on the personnel side. At all.
Real smoothe. Completely ignore where I said Blank makes all final decisions.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
I'm calling BS on this right now
who called who “silly man” way up the thread. You have done one and only one thing consistently since you’ve been on this board and that is be insulting whenever you are called out.
by mwalex on Jun 24, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha! Seriously?
If calling someone “silly” is an insult and is equal to calling someone an “idiot” I’d better find a new word to call my neice and nephew when they get in one of their playful moods.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm
I guess I’m a lost cause then. I could have said
Stupid:
a: slow of mind : obtuse b: given to unintelligent decisions or acts : acting in an unintelligent or careless manner c: lacking intelligence …
Idiotic:
Showing foolishness or stupidity. 2. Exhibiting idiocy. id i·ot i·cal·ly adv. idiotic [ˌɪdɪˈɒtɪk] adj.
Foolish:
Lacking or exhibiting a lack of good sense or judgment; silly: foolish remarks. Resulting from stupidity or misinformation; unwise: a foolish decision.
But yet I chose:
Silly:
Lacking seriousness or responsibleness
I’m guilty as charged. I’m a lost cause
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis played in 15 games last year.
His numbers were right there with KB’s for WPA, EPA, SR and tackles. KB had more sacks and QB hits bur primarily due to him playing more snaps.
You're absolutely right.
How dare I even argue with this correctness. And I guess there’s no way to tell if he
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
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by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Again you miss the point
again and again and again. Arguing intelligently means doing it without being insulting. I just don’t understand why it’s so hard to grasp that concept. If you disagree with KMarch fine but don’t degrade the arguement. And then don’t be passive-aggressive and go “woe is me” when people jump you after you insult them.
Dude
Go be someone else’s therapist. I don’t need the free sessions.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh yes you do
Why don’t you go be insulting somewhere else.
by mwalex on Jun 24, 2011 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Get a life
You don’t own this site and I could care less what you think. If you think the world silly is an insult then you need help. Ever since I’ve been on here you’ve been nothing but an ass about everything I have to say, you might need to get a life and just not respond to me then. Does it hurt that much to be you?
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Again with the insults
The only thing that hurts me is reading your vapid posts and repeated insults. Insults are always the first defense of the less intelligent.
Dude
Have a good evening. This conversation is over.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Overpopulated
This site is overpopulated with geniuses. That’s all. Too many people know it all. It’s got everything from NFL GMs to therapist.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 24, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Did Houston not stink? Is only 159 yards recieving, most by our tightend Peelle (who played all 16 games) before Gonzalez came not a stinky situation? You seriously believe McKay just sits in the office everyday and looks for stadium upgrades and where to build a new stadium, or does Blank have this genius philosophy that two heads are better than one? Be realistic there probably isn’t a single acquisiton made by Dimitroff that McKay didn’t assist in.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
Naive....wow
You guys serioulsy think McKay just sits back and deals with finances, stadium upgrades, and ticket prices and watches everything else unfold before his eyes? Having a former GM as your President and adding a young GM is a genius move! Two heads are better than one and Blank knows that. McKay is playing the same role as Holmgren in Cleveland and Parcells in Miami only he’s a more silent player. Of course Dimitroff will get all the credit but there are plenty of interviews where I saw Dimitroff personally credit McKay for his part in almost every acquisition.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
very interesting but you all are both mainly wrong
excuse all the lowercase letters my shift button is broken and using the caps lock everytime is aggravating.
1- ray edwards is done in minnesota
2- ray edwards won’t be signed by atlanta
3- biermann will never be elite
4- ray edwards isn’t elite, yet he wants to be paid like it
5- the falcons will not be big spenders in free agency as usual
6- mckay is a consultant but dimitroff and smitty make all personell decisions
7- lol silly is a synonym for stupid
8- last but not least mwalex and mosugo enjoy getting under people’s skin and taking shots at people but they hate when it happens to them.
just a friendly word of advice. say what you mean, mean what you say and if you see mwalex or mosugo reply in disagreement to your comment just move on to the next thread walt.
by mr92687!!! on Jun 25, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I took umbrage with him stating his opinion as fact
I don’t care if he takes shots at me.
Rec'd
I agree with everything from 8 on down. I don’t think silly is a synonym for stupid, neither do I think its an insult. No one knows how good Biermann will ever be, and if you’re saying McKay is an consultant then you’re actually proving me right.
"I don't want to be the next Michael Jordan, I only want to be
Kobe Bryant"
-Kobe Bryant
by waltbabyluv on Jun 25, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, Fear Me, just saw this
must have missed it earlier. In response:
What makes you think the pass-rush will be any different this year?
I’m a little optimistic that Biermann can be better, especially after last off-season when the FO repeatedly asserted their faith in Abe (saying that his poor season wasn’t that different than the one before it in ‘08). We’ve seen that Biermann had some good numbers in regard to rushing the QB, he just needs to wrap up and get there a hair earlier. Hopefully that can happen.
That being said, I’m definitely not opposed to bringing in someone else, b/c we’re likely losing Abe next year anyway.
The good news: Tampa's not going to use all that cap room anyway, since their owner is mostly a soccer fan pretty much.
I am proud to be a Kennesaw State Fighting Owl. -- Vince Dooley
So
What do you all think a fair contract for Edwards would be? I really think the Falcons want him and need him also. I think we need each other actually, because I think the Falcons have a better chance of making it to the superbowl that vikings and Edwards should know that also but I know still he wants to get paid.
If the Falcons offer him a fair contract and he’s happy and plays like a mad man, put Brees and Freeman on IR and the falcons waltz to top seed again. I know I’m dreaming right?
I’m think 7-8 mil / yr. for 5years should make him happy or is that too high? Sure would make me happy. That would still leave something on the tbl for a veteran CB or S, I think we are good at LB.
With the abundance of youth on our team this would make them sturdy contenders for the superbowl for the next 4-5 years IMO. And surley with Matt still growing, we should be able to make it at least 2 times and certainly win 1.
Abe got 43 six years ago
And Jared Allen got 73 mil. Off the top of my head I’d say it’s going to have to be around 60(+).
by KMarch on Jun 24, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
While you might be right
There is no way Edwards should be paid any where near Abe’s getting paid. Based on performance I’d say 60% of Abe’s for this year which would put Edwards at 4.8, around 2.3 more tha he got last year.
I can't disagree
But, as we all know, FA contracts are bloated.
by KMarch on Jun 24, 2011 4:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Umenyiora got 6 years, $41 million
I’d say north of that at about 6 years, $50 million.
And that why they won’t sign him…
After drafting another DE, there’s too much invested (time-wise, not money-wise) in what we’ve already got.
The FO’s only made moves to seriously upgrade positions from poor to good – and DE, for us, is at least… okay.
There are no massive holes to fill in FA – so why bother overpaying in a frantic rush. While there might be FA signings, they’ll be second or third tier at max. FO put a lot of chips on the board with JJ, so I don’t think they’ll risk/waste everything.
PFT just published an interesting op-ed
Suggesting that the influx of so many FAs will make it a buyer’s market, which makes sense to me. That might help to lower the asking price of Edwards (or CJ, Clabo, Snelling,Peterson i.e., halelujah!) A bit, but he’s still going to be one of the top players in the market.
by KMarch on Jun 25, 2011 1:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You guys the new cap is actual cash
so you can’t count “monkey” money. I mean Michael Vick counted against the cap for how long even though the Falcons weren’t actually paying him.
Agents always “puffed up” the value of contracts to make themselves look better. This is a real cap. No performance bonuses added to it that are unlikely to be met.
Real money, not Daniel Snyder money.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
That is a very good question
But other than their early round picks do they have any “big” name, veteran players on the team?
Kellen Winslow
got paid a ton. So did Derrick Ward, but he’s gone. A lot of rookie contracts are performance weighted toward the back-end. For example, Matty’s biggest year (monetarily) is this year. So maybe that’s why it’s so low right now. They also have a handful of mid-rounders at starting positions.
Well I guess I'll be the first to say it on here
I want Nahmdi!! I think if we get NA we improve our defense more. We have to beat the likes of NO and GB to get to the SB, we need another strong CB. Our front 4 is already above average. It needs to concentrate on stopping the run more anyways, and adding NA can allow that since you’ll have better secondary coverage behind them. I could go on and on on how it would help us, but I won’t right now. I’m sure there’ll be a post on this topic before the season.
@Chi, @Ind,@Det SIMPLY AWESOME !! . All are within 3.5 hours of me.I'll probably be supporting the birds from the sidelines of all 3 of those this year. I am getting so excited about the first game of the season, everybody I work with are Bears and Colts fans. It's gonna be sooo sweeet this year, taking all their money!! bwaaha haha haha
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