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Can The Pass Rush Get It Done Against The Saints?

As usual, the week's best matchups will come later in the week. Today, it's more of a question.

Last week, the Falcons dismantled the hapless Jacksonville Jaguars' offensive line, coming up with four sacks and another one that was called back due to a penalty. They also had a good showing against the Panthers, getting pressure in the second half.

The question becomes whether they can do as well against the Saints, because stopping Drew Brees is the key to winning this game. Period.

Brees has been on fire the last several weeks, chasing Dan Marino's single season yardage record, tossing gobs of touchdowns and avoiding turnovers. He's been well-protected by his offensive line—Matt Ryan's idly wondering what that's like—and he's insanely good in his own right. With the Falcons' ability to shut down the run, the Saints will pass all day.

So it comes down to the rush, the ability to get to Brees and force him to make mistakes. That could be a sack, a fumble or a hastily thrown ball that someone like William Moore or Brent Grimes can jump in front of. Anything that stops him or gives the Falcons the ball will help them win.

How do you overcome a good line and a quarterback who knows what he's doing? Get creative. John Abraham should be bullrushing all game long, given that he's still got enough gas in the tank to cause problems outside. The Falcons should be willing to use Sean Weatherspoon's athleticism and try to get him in the backfield, and they should let guys like Chris Owens and Dominique Franks use their own speed to try to generate pressure off the edge. Anything that's slightly out of the ordinary and/or exploits the fact that the Saints don't block nearly as well with their fullbacks and tight ends as with their actual line is a plus.

Oh, and don't neglect quality coverage. Brees will eat a soft zone alive, and the Falcons will have no time to get into the backfield in the first place.

How do you think the Falcons will fare when it comes to the pass rush, and how would you get at Brees?

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Yes...

if J. Abraham and R. Edwards continuously “blow up” both side of the OL ALL night and Bab’s and Spoooooooooons can get good penetration up the middle.

But then again, don’t we wish for this every game…?? Sigh…

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by Blood_Talon on Dec 20, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

I understand, like most I'd say, that the Jags and the Saints are so so so different

But hey, at least our front 4 has it’s confidence up right now. The extra few days could help maybe with checking out their blocking patterns, but ultimately I think it just comes down to designated blitz. Brees will eat our zone alive anyway (I’m expecting 5 Colston over the middle for 20+ this week), so we may as well just send a lot of guys to try and force a bad throw or lay a hit on the guy. If it works 1/20 times, that’s better than we’ll get from sitting back in coverage 20 times.

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by Turner_The_Burner on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions  

Pass rushers need to focus more on wrapping up than going for the kill.

I can’t even begin to count the number of times that Falcons whiff on the QB (Brees and Rodgers in particular) when going for a sack. A quick side step by Brees and then he ends up finding the open man. I know they want the kill but I wish they woud slow up just a fraction when closing in so they don’t miss the sack entirely.

by Seanster on Dec 20, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I don't think so

Blaine Gabbert stood there like a statue and the jags don’t exactly have a top OL. And besides that game, we haven’t really gotten to the QB well at al this year. Add the fact that Drew Brees has maybe the fastest relaese in the NFL AND we’ve played a rookie QB 5 weeks in a row now, I think were in for a rude awakening unfortunately. Brees is gonna have about 350 yards, 3 TDs, and 1 INT.

by dirtybirds233 on Dec 20, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

as long as

these 21 points are the only points the Aints score, that INT is a pick-6, and our pass rush drops Brees 5 times – I actually like our chances.

and yes, on offense I’d want not only points, but also some bone-crushing blocks on their safety, Harper.

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by Gemini-RU on Dec 21, 2011 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

The pass rush HAS to get to Brees

if ATL wants to win the game. Not so much sacks but hits and pressure.

I would consider changing up the D for a large portion of the game. I’d run a 4-2-5 with three safeties. And on every play have either Spoon or Moore blitzing the QB. If you blitz Spoon move Moore up for run support. Screens might be an issue but I’d risk it until there was a reason not to.

by mwalex on Dec 20, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions  

Surely the Saints would just run the ball in that scenario

The passing game is obviously their forte, but if you give a team the run like that they will just run it.

by Mosugo on Dec 20, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The Giants tried that approach last year against the Colts

The 4-2-5 defence. The Colts ended up running for over 150 yards with Addai and Donald Brown despite finishing as one of the worst teams rushing in the league.

by Mosugo on Dec 20, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

ATL is not the NYG

and that is why I said to move Moore up to fill a gap left by a blitzing Spoon. I also mentioned running that D until there was a reason to change. Your concern is valid and that would be a reason to change.

by mwalex on Dec 20, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we have to

If we plan to win. I don’t think BVG will blitz Brees for fear of getting beat deep. I think peters and Babs need to get pressure up the middle more than Abe and ray on the outside. Brees without a pocket to step into is way easier to defend.

by pierre02 on Dec 20, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

it will be hard

to beat Brees by taking a safe stance. at some point you have to risk. I’d keep us blitzing with one defender spying on Sproles

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by Gemini-RU on Dec 21, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I say yes

If we apply different blitz packages, disguise our coverages so that my 9 yr old nephew cant decifer them & just go aftetr him. We dont need sacks, we just need to make him feel like a recovering alcoholic in a liquor store. Uneasy & uncomfortable!

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by Dirtybyrdatl4life on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

My prediction...

The Falcons will have to get pressure, not necessarily sacks. The pressure will force Brees to make bad, wild passes, get sacked, or cause him to throw it away. I’m still having the thought that Bress is going to make a lot of short passes. The good thing about that is that we’ll have Grimes and Robinson back on the field for that.

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by ChopMaster on Dec 20, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Your right Dave...pressure is an absolute must...without saying

The guys up front need to bring it and do it for 60 mins…other than that I think alot of this game falls on BVGs game plan. I dont think we can afford to sit in our usual soft zone and watch Brees rip us apart. I hope to see some man and blitzes when the oppertunity is right. Watching the Chiefs scheme was amazing against GB they only brought 4 and everyone else was man except for the safties who were in a cover 2 so that no one would get behind them deep. I think we have the corners and line backers for this scheme but Spoon would have to be on Graham all game and the front 4 would need to play as well as they did last sunday during the Jags game.

by Bigru3 on Dec 20, 2011 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

There's no room for error, I agree

Whatever they decide to do, they have to do it perfectly.

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by Dave Choate on Dec 20, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

The Packers are missing 2 Offensive linemen

I really believe the only way to get to Brees is collapse the pocket with your DE and blitz the middle of the pocket hoping your DB’s can cover long enough to force a throw away or a bad throw
But it is absolutely necessary to pressure the middle of the pocket or Brees just steps up and picks you apart

by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 20, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This, this, I...

can’t rec an Aint’s fan, I just can’t.

by RamblininAlb on Dec 22, 2011 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

at best they will come close but will sack brees 0-2 times. We can bring a QB down worth a crap.

However if the Falcons find a way to win, the division isn’t out of the question.
In the Sean Peyton-Drew Brees era, the Saints have lost every week 17 game since 2006, most of those games were at home too, and were losses to Carolina (2006, 2008) now 2011 pending results (they also lost to Carolina in Charlotte in 2009 after the 13-3 start.
Carolina is playing very good defense right now and earlier when they weren’t came close to beating the saints.
The Panthers could actually beat New Orleans on January 1st.

by brotherbrown on Dec 20, 2011 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

This is my biggest worry about the game

We’ve struggled to generate pressure all season long. Having said that, we should get Grimes and Hayden back, have been getting more pressure recently, and got some quality playing time for Owens and Franks. Add to that the way the offense has put up points in the last six quarters, and I feel we’re as ready to play this game as we possibly could be.

I hope the Falcons learned something from the Texans game. The Superdome will be every bit as loud as that game was, and if Matt allows the playclock to wind all the way down like he did in that game, no amount of blocking will save him from Greg Williams and his maniacal blitz tendencies.

by jcaustic on Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM EST reply actions  

Pressure pressure and more pressure

They have to harass Drew Brees if they are going to have success stopping the saints.I think the Falcons should try some different looks like some 46 defense and maybe a hybrid 34 defense at times on 3rd down hybrid 34 i mean 3 linebackers william moore as the 4th linebacker and 3 d-line men maybe using 2 de and 1 dt or mix it up with 2 dt or 1 de and stand everybody up at the line so makes Brees have to guess who is coming and from where.Another key stopping the saints on 3rd down last game the Falcons did a good job against the saints on 1st and 2nd down but couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down.

by falconpower on Dec 20, 2011 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

The problem with Brees is...

That even if you get great pressure, he releases the ball so quickly that even giving him 1 or 2 seconds to throw can be too long. I think the best you can hope for is some hurries… maybe you get a sack or two, but hoping for the kind of game where you get several sacks is probably not realistic. You’re not gonna bring him down much, but you can make him uncomfortable. Brees makes a lot of great throws, but he has gone through spells where he becomes a turnover machine. Keep him uncomfortable and don’t let his receivers get quick separation, and you’ll have success. Whatever our D did last time worked great.

To me though, this is a game where our offense has to come through big. We can’t score 14 and expect to win this game. And the Saints defense isn’t that great, especially against the pass. Pick them apart and don’t make stupid throws, and you should be able to put up a lot of points.

by cheshire falcon on Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

DONT FORGET

we played the Saints very well da 1st game. We completely shot down their run game. And now with our offense clicking i say Falcons win 38-27

by jgreedy on Dec 20, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

In the first meeting we generated zero sacks, zero picks, zero fumbles yet still looked pretty good

We were a true bend but don’t break D for the most part that day. The offense(MM)lost us the game…along w/Smitty of course. That’s not gonna work this time around. What little home field advantage we had last game will be thrown back at us tenfold. Monday night game in NO…U think we’re gonna get a single call? Our guys have their work cut out for them.

Zero pressure this time around isn’t gonna cut it nor will our patented “no pressure” blitzes, nor will our “let’s tackle him shoulder high so he can just shrug us off!” sack technique.

by aces666high on Dec 20, 2011 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

Brees is not Big Ben...

he is not Cam, he is not Josh, he is not T-Jax, he is not Aaron Rodgers. If you hit him, he will go down more easily than those other QB’s. That said, he has a quicker release than anybody, even Rodgers. Dunta may get bored if we can get pressue, because Breesus will make the short throw all night long. I anticipate a lot of Sproles Screens… until the Falcons D can figure out a way to stop a ball thrown to a RB.

by Mnemonic on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

I think we held sproles to less than 65 yards last game

They pretty much abandoned the screen game in the 4th quarter. Hoping for the same this game too.

Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.

by ATLsince1972 on Dec 21, 2011 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Even so...

that dude is scary…really scary!!

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by Blood_Talon on Dec 21, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear Atlanta.

Dear Atlanta,
The New Orlean Saints ARE your worse nightmare come true. Your quarterback will not get a good nights sleep. Everytime he closes his eyes, he will see Saints coming at him, when he hands the ball off in his dream, a Saint will be there to take the ball. There will be no-one down field to throw the ball to, only Saints. You will look to find your faithful fans for support but, only see WHO DATS! The Dome will be a living, breathing creature that will suck the soul out of your team then spit it out into the Big Muddy, where it belongs. Your defense players will wake up screaming at night form being unable to to stop the Four Horsemen(Sproles, Ingram, Ivory and Thomas) They will only be able to watch as balls sail over their heads as Breesus takes them on a ride from a frozen hell. When the clock finally runs out on you, you will return to Atlanta to your “faithful fans” and they will eat you alive. Bring it on, we are waiting for you.

by no-longsufferingfan on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Dude, stop drinking the “Breesus” Juice!

by Falcons1133 on Dec 21, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, from what I remember..

the last time we were inside your living breathing creature of a dome, WE WON THE GAME!! lol

Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.

by ATLsince1972 on Dec 21, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Ryan runs the "Chevy" Offense

I think he named every car made by Chevy at the line of scrimmage in the Jags game.

by Falcons1133 on Dec 21, 2011 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

Avoid "Explosive Plays"

As I’m sure Smitty would confirm with that cliche, this is the goal for nearly every D is against the Saints. They will score points, but you can’t let them get the big-play TDs. Make them have to work for it. I won’t mind if we don’t hit Brees once as long as we keep the score manageable and play well on offense.

(I hate speaking about the Aints’ offense in such glowing terms, but facts are facts. I think Brees is the best QB in the NFL and his offense has been damn good for a while. That being said, I’d rather hit him twenty times and see Chase Daniel trying to lead a comeback from a 35-10 deficit.)

by Thrashy Thrashy on Dec 21, 2011 1:31 PM EST reply actions  

We must score TD's and not kick FG's to win this game

As well as win the turnover battle too. Putting pressure on Brees is somewhat important but not critical to a win. We must tackle on the short passes and stop their running game. Put them into 3rd and longs and come up to make the tackles on screens and short passes. Don’t give up the big play TD, like 50 or more yard TD passes, and I think we can win it, as long as we do these things and the team comes to play. If they don’t show up from the first snap we’re toast!!

Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.

by ATLsince1972 on Dec 21, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions  

I JUST LOVE HATING THE AINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now Gentlemen, get your butts up, and get back on that horse! You have no choice. The expectations are running much higher this year.

by ATLsince1972 on Dec 21, 2011 7:44 PM EST reply actions  

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