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Has Will Svitek Already Overtaken Sam Baker?

ATLANTA, GA - NOVEMBER 20:  Will Svitek #74 of the Atlanta Falcons is intriduced before a game against the Tennessee Titans at the Georgia Dome on November 20, 2011 in Atlanta, Georgia.  (Photo by Grant Halverson/Getty Images)

I'm planning a point/counterpoint regarding Will Svitek and Sam Baker, so this isn't the last you'll hear about this particular battle in the week ahead. I thought I should share something D. Orlando Ledbetter wrote up last night regardless, because it will probably blow some of you away.

According to Ledbetter, Sam Baker was healthy enough to play. He was active, which we knew, and also apparently not just healthy enough to be an emergency backup, which we didn't necessarily know. I think many of us expected Baker to immediately take back his starting job when he was healthy enough to do so.

Perhaps not. Whether Baker is still suffering from the aftereffects of his injury or Svitek's just playing too well to bench, the coaching staff made a conscious choice to leave him in against Jared Allen. Allen had 14 sacks this season. On Sunday, he had none. You can give an enormous amount of credit to Svitek for that.

The implications here are enormous. The Falcons may well be choosing a former undrafted free agent at left tackle for the long haul, which is something none of us would have dared anticipate earlier in the season. If Svitek does struggle, they can always re-insert Baker, but it appears that he may have been Wally Pipped in much the same way that Erik Coleman lost his job to William Moore a year ago.

It's tough to argue that this is a bad thing. Sam Baker was a bit of a penalty machine earlier in the year and allowed three sacks before going down with an injury five weeks back. He's turned in quality starts and even seasons since arriving here in 2008, but no one's ever confused him with an elite tackle. At the very least, the Falcons now have competition at the position, which should get everyone involved to bring their A game.

This is all just musings at this point, because the Falcons could drastically change course and start Baker against the Texans. But I think we haven't seen the last of Svitek as a starter.

Do you think this is an extended audition for Svitek to take over at left tackle? Has Baker lost his job permanently? Kick off a rip-roaring debate, if you would.

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Svitek has been great

So I’d say the answer is yes. Baker never grew into his role, and always looked like a scared rookie. Between his penalties and t-rex arms, I think he’s done. But even though Svitek has done well so far, it doesn’t mean he should be our permanent starter; he’s given us plenty headaches in the past. I still think we need a true starting LT. As far as team needs go at this point, I’d say in order: TE, RG, LT DE, and C.

by dirtybirds233 on Nov 28, 2011 11:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I agree

but order of need from my perspective is RG, RB (only because Turner will hit 30 soon), TE (age thing here too) and then LT. Svitek may not be the answer but so far he’s been a very good stop gap. I look for us to draft a quality LT in 2013.

by Fear Me on Nov 28, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

That’s the problem some teams have when the starters come back from injury. Svitek could be the next great UFA. Just think, what if Lou Gehrig had to go back to the bench when the guy he replaced got better (sorry, that’s the only reference I could think of off the cuff).

And it seems the football gods are showing favor to us. Hopefully we can get past the Texans 3rd stringer for a W.

by BlueFender on Nov 28, 2011 11:16 AM EST reply actions  

I say Keep him

Svitek has been playing very well at Tackle I also think we should move Sam Baker to RG at 6’5 he would have a size advantage on the inside.

by falcons101 on Nov 28, 2011 11:25 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Might have a Point

He might be better as Guard rather than Tackle. He certainly can’t protect the outside rush. Stick with Svitek as Tackle as long as he continues to play well.

by Falcons1133 on Nov 28, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Baker originally projected better at Guard

Given how badly RGGR performed, and the fact that Hawley is our future center, I think Baker deserves a shot at RG. Baker has the right size and he appears to have the footwork of someone working the right side of the line. By comparison, if you look at how Michael Oher for the Ravens performed at LT (terrible) vs RT (pro-bowl quality), it could be that Baker is worth keeping – just in a different spot.

As for Svitek, he’s done very well and holding up against Allen was a great sign. Let him finish out the season – and if he continues to perform like this – I see no reason why he can’t stay in that LT position next year.

by The DW on Nov 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

The problem with that is that Baker is not a very good

run blocker…he’s not a mauler and that’s what we need at RG. Reynolds and Johnson seemed to have failed royally so I’m hoping for someone like UGA’s Cordy Glenn (probably won’t be there when we pick)

by Fear Me on Nov 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Those USC Guys

Stay away for them…nice tan, good hair, big trust fund but major pansies.

by Falcons1133 on Nov 28, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, the Clay Matthews debate again

Bring in Matthews so he can play OLB, wait, no his coverage ability sucks…. DE, wait, does anyone think Matthews would be successful as a 4-3 DE?… Ah, let’s change the whole scheme to a 3-4 for an unproven rookie! Forget the fact we don’t have the players to play the 3-4… Certain players are great because they are perfect fits in the scheme they play in. Clay Matthews would not be ultra-successful in the Atlanta 4-3. Picking him in the draft would have been a mistake.

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just taking a light hearted jab at the USC pansies post but since u brought it up :) sorry mwalex!

 I’d take a moderately successful Matthews over a pretty much invisible Jerry. It’s true, the scheme is key, which is why we have a ton of players on our team who haven’t reached their potential because of the high school scheme BVG implemented.
      But in saying that, I’d take a flyer on a kid who was a walk on and played at an elite level on an elite team. I think he’d be able to figure out a 4-3 and put up numbers like our Spoon. Saw Jerry involved in a few plays yesterday but he’s not the disruptive force we thought he’d be yet. I say yet because I am still holding out hope. I’d take 3 or 4 sacks from another LB w/a motor that didn’t quit. And he has great hair too!!

by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing sticks out to me in that
I’d take a flyer on a kid who was a walk on and played at an elite level on an elite team

I don’t want a guy who would have to figure out the defense. At least, I wouldn’t do that with a first round pick. That might just be my personal preference though. I think Jerry is coming around and I’m holding out hope as well. A knee injury for a big guy is not something that is easily overcome. And Peters has played out of his mind, which is ok with me.

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree on Peters completely.

The flyer comment was kinda tounge in cheek. You don’t take a flyer on a guy who was slotted in the first round. Barely know how to use the sarcasm font, is there a tounge in cheek font?
     But any player you draft would have to figure out his teams system. Well except our system. “Ok this is a zone and this is a zone blitz. Any questions?”. That season we had need at LB and DT. Damn smart ballplayer and we interviewed him and liked him. I think we picked wrong but if PJ starts putting up Babs type #’s the sting would be almost non existent.

by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think TD missed on Baker and Jerry

but overall he’s done a pretty good job as far as talent is concerned. And I also think TD made up for the Jerry pick by snagging Peters.

by Fear Me on Nov 28, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

How can one comment but so true yet so wrong all at the same time...hahaha

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by Blood_Talon on Nov 28, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah ha Baker

You lose

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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 28, 2011 11:44 AM EST reply actions  

Why is there even a debate on this?

Svitek has been lights out at LT. His play against Jared Allen should have made the “competition” one sided. Matt just looks way more comfortable with Svitek protecting him. I would seriously question Smitty’s decision making if he messes up an O-line that finally looks like it has found its groove.

by leonw92 on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

If not for Bakers injury

My question is what took so long for them to realize Svitek is better…if not for the injury would they have made the move. Makes me wonder what other gems might be buried on the depth chart…might there be a stud safety or nickel back stashed under a rock who is has skill. Just some thoughts

by Bigru3 on Nov 28, 2011 12:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

answer?

maybe ego
Sam Baker was Drafted in the first round and the Falcons Traded up for him losing a draft spot.
So they probably was trying to give him every change he could to prove them right.
But it never happen.
Bygones be Bygones.

Svitek was not drafted so no pressure to put him in.

by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

This is one of the truths of the NFL ...

Imagine if Drew Bledsoe had never been injured, and had played out his career as a New England Patriot. Sometimes, the only thing that brings the underlying ability to the surface is having to carry the load.

Besides, Svitek was thoroughly underwhelming when he was on the field this preseason. Based on what I saw then, I wasn’t sure he deserved a roster spot at all…

by GritsBlitz on Nov 28, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Bakers lead boots

Might be more suitable at guard where he foot work might not matter as much…im not sure exactly but thats just my observation. Just dont call any plays where the guard is pulling…wait a minute pulling a guard would mean being some what creative and we dont have that so yea Baker would be ok at guard. Go get um Huggy

by Bigru3 on Nov 28, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Hmmmmmm.....
Has Will Svitek Already Overtaken Sam Baker?

…..Yes!!

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by Blood_Talon on Nov 28, 2011 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

I think the answer is Svitek knows this is his chance to become something more than "tackle eligible"

And he’s going ba!!s out to show that. I wanted Baker to succeed but they would be complete idiots to switch now. Svitek played lights out w/the guy he’s trying to replace standing right on the sidelines just waiting for him to screw up.
     It’s not unheard of for an UDFA to become a solid lineman so let’s start showing Baker that guard playbook. It’s not like RGGR, Johnson or Hawley have been anything to write home about.

by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

Right guard

Maybe Baker can play right guard. Dahl is missed!

by DBFalcon on Nov 28, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not giving up hope on Johnson or Reynolds

Yes, Reynolds was pretty bad when he played, but both have been banged up a bit this year. And they are both young. No one should expect a guy to come in his first year starting and be ultra successful. I don’t think it is time to panic yet, but I do think Sam Baker will no longer be the starting left tackle for the Falcons

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No, not giving up on these guys, not by a longshot

But while u don’t expect ultra successful play from your new guys, you do expect competent play. Especially from RGGR who’s been in the system going on 3 years now. A giant 6’7" lineman being pushed straight up into Ryan’s(so called) pocket does not a passing lane make.

by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

An interesting little stat

I think Baker’s last game was against CAR, so he was on the bech starting with the DET game. To be fair Baker is not, or was not the only weak link in the OL but there is an interesting trend starting with the DET game. Look at this stat:

http://nationalpost.stats.com/fb/protection.asp?type=team&year=2011&team=1

Before the DET game the Protection Index for the OL was pretty bad with very good performances against SEA and TB but pretty poor against everyone else. Starting with the DET game the Protection Index has improved substantially and has been pretty consistent. There aren’t numbers for the MIN game yet but I’m guessing the value was pretty good.

Now, this is another “proprietary” stat and might not be a good indicator of real OL performance but it does show a trend in OL play. It is interesting that about the only major change in the OL starting with the DET game was that Baker wasn’t in the line up.

by mwalex on Nov 28, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forget them pulling RGGR as well

I do think Baker was a problem, but RGGR was giving up too much inside pressure.

by The DW on Nov 28, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

but hasn’t GR still been playing on a rotational basis?

by mwalex on Nov 28, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm almost certain Reynolds has only been doing the tackle-eligible/6th-lineman plays

Not rotating in at RG.

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by orang3b on Nov 28, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

If that's the case

then that would better explain the improved OL play.

by mwalex on Nov 28, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

When the only time you hear Jared Allen’s name is to talk about his long snapping abilities…. Don’t change what your doing

by jmpecker on Nov 28, 2011 1:21 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Hearing all of the backups around the league made things interesting for me

Jared Allen is the backup long-snapper, Owen Daniels was the third string QB for Houston… Are there other interesting backups that people don’t know about? I would assume our third QB and backup holder are Kerry Meier. But who is our backup longsnapper? Who is our backup punter if Bosher goes down?

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

makes you wonder, though,

if having to chase punts affected Allen’s pass rushing – like Biermann last year.

by GritsBlitz on Nov 28, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Biermann is the emergency kicker.

Meier is the emergency QB. I bet someone like Palmer is a backup long snapper.

Terence Mathis was our emergency QB when he was here. Why I know that, I have no idea.

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by Duff_Man on Nov 28, 2011 2:20 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I got it

I think Biermann would kick if Bosher and Bryant go down since Bosher kicked and punted at Miami. Can Bryant punt though if Bosher got hurt? That thought terrifies me, especially since Bosher is out there running on kickoffs as well.

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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Keep Tek

I wld keep Tek starting and have Baker practice at RG. He might be better suited inside where he doesnt have to move his feet as much. If he can pull off the switch, then redign him for Guard money. Baker can backup Takle, and Hawley and Johnson can backup Center/Guard next year. Then we will have Tek at LT and Baker at RT next year and we can use our already depleted Draft picks on a CB, TE.

by Magellan55 on Nov 28, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

That shld read...

Have Tek start at LT, and Baker start st RG next year

by Magellan55 on Nov 28, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

You mean you got lost..

some explorer…

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.

by FrozenFinger on Nov 28, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He's no Ponce de Leon!

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by Duff_Man on Nov 28, 2011 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

More lost than Kris Humphries marrying Kim Kardashian

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.

by FrozenFinger on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Too soon, dude.

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by Duff_Man on Nov 28, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah..should have stopped with the Amy Winehouse reference

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.

by FrozenFinger on Nov 28, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I wrote in the DET thread

that this was over. Not only is he keeping Matt upright you’ll notice that we’ve been able to turn that corner in the run game a few times. Baker can’t play as effectively because of injury. First the elbow, then the back. Svitek’s hungry and you can tell.

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.

by FrozenFinger on Nov 28, 2011 2:59 PM EST reply actions  

Just for the record

Will Svitek was drafted in the 6th rd by the Kansas City Chiefs in 2005. I have always thought Baker was an NFL guard more so than tackle. Next season Hawely will probably move to starting center maybe we resign McClure to a 1 yr deal as a backup. Baker then moves into a competition with Mike Johnson for the guard spot as well as compete with Svitek to get his spot back. He will fail to gain his LT spot back but will be and upgrade over Johnson at RG. Garrett Reynolds probably ends up on WWE beside his father “Hacksaw” Reynolds.

by Kushion on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

Just for the record...

Jack Hacksaw Reynolds was an All-Pro MLB for the Rams and the Niners who played for 13 years and owns a Superbowl ring.

Hacksaw Jim Duggan was an OL at SMU, and spent a year on IR with orur very own Falcons. However, he is best known for his time in the WWF (where he won the first Royal Rumble), the WCW, and the WWE.

The two are not the same…

by GritsBlitz on Nov 28, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey you must rock at Trivial Pursuit!!

Reynolds still has a better chance of being a star in the WWE than he will ever have of being a star in the NFL. LOL

by Kushion on Nov 28, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Good catch, I forgot he was originally drafted

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by Dave Choate on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

thanks for the memories Baker

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

I just Googled this kid Svitek.

He played DE in college and threw shot put? He was born in Prague? He was a two-time National Decathlon Champion in High School?

This guy rules.

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by Duff_Man on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Alas, he's a commie

so we gotta cut him. He’s huge and strong and we haven’t had that at LT for a long while.

A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.

by FrozenFinger on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Technically...

it is still a “throw”, just of a different type…I mean, since we are learning and all. In the Scottish games, the “Caber Toss” is just throwing a telephone pole up and trying to “360” it (very tough, I might add…look it up). But toss/throw, really the same thing…so did I really make a point…meh…probably not.

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by Blood_Talon on Nov 29, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That we will. Particularly for Victor Cruz myself

And a big thanks to the guy who dropped him in my fantasy league because he had one bad game!

by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Oline

I think svitek has done a great job replacing baker, also think we should keep baker and move him to RG because i remember watching the draft and them saying if he doesnt pan out as LT he will be a solid gaurd so keep him. Finally i still think we need to find a big solid pass blocking LT. Keep svitek as a back up move baker to rg, and if hawley doesnt become the replacement for mcclure we might be looking at a new C too

by Nedk23 on Nov 28, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Baker man all the way, even as recently as two weeks ago

But he’s definitely done enough in this stretch to deserve the starting job undoubtably.

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by Turner_The_Burner on Nov 28, 2011 9:31 PM EST reply actions  

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