An Imperfect Kind Of Perfection: A Falcons-Vikings Recap
There's an air of confusion about this Falcons team.
Yesterday, there were ecstatic fans--I was among them--and dour fans. Some could not understand how the Falcons could be so inconsistent, and fail to absolutely destroy a team as inept at the Minnesota Vikings. Others were just happy for a win and the flashes of absolute brilliance the Falcons managed in this one.
The truth is, both camps have valid points. This is a 7-4 football team with a strong defense and an offense that appears to be coming into its own. On the flip side of that, this is a football team that has lost very winnable games due to an offense that craps out at exactly the wrong moment and a coaching staff that cannot seem to establish consistency in all three phases of the game. It is, in short, a perfectly imperfect football team.
We saw another microcosm of that on Sunday. The Falcons played almost perfectly for the first half, putting up 17 points and allowing none. It seemed like they were well on their way to victory, until the third quarter happened. The Vikings hung seven on a suddenly hapless Vikings team and actually pulled to within three before the Falcons roared to life, scoring, narrowly avoiding a Percy Harvin kick return for a touchdown and making a crucial stop on short yardage.
If you wanted to see the Falcons at their best, you saw it. If you wanted to see them near their worst...well, you saw that too.This is a baffling, deeply maddening football team with an enormous amount of talent. On any given Sunday, you're likely to see what you're inclined to see.
As the eternal optimist, I believe the Falcons will end up with a 10-6 or 11-5 record, which may or may not be good enough to get them to the playoffs. They've now won five of six games and are improving to these eyes by the week. A lot can go wrong in the weeks ahead, but the Falcons took care of business on Sunday and are three games over .500.
Strap in and try to enjoy the ride, everyone. Figuring out this team may be damn near impossible.
After the jump, a breakdown of individual and team performances.
THE HIGHLIGHTS
- Matt Ryan is coming on strong. He's now turned in three straight quality performances, and he treated the Vikings secondary like a pasture full of gentle breezes on Sunday.
By the end of the game, he was 27 of 34 for 262 yards, three touchdowns and no interceptions. He had a tiny handful of bad throws, but it was a consistent, borderline dominant performance throughout. If Roddy White and Julio Jones hadn't dropped a couple of deep passes, it could have been even better.
Aside from a daunting matchup against the Texans next week, Ryan's got a fairly easy slate ahead. He could really take off between now and the playoffs, is what I'm saying. - Jacquizz Rodgers is such a weapon. With only three carries and two catches, he accounted for 31 total yards, coming up with a huge first down late in the game. The Falcons would be wise to integrate him into the offense even further in the weeks ahead.
- Roddy White let one go through his hands early. It was a tough catch, admittedly, one where he was stumbled and where Ryan led him by a few inches. But it was probably still catchable.
All White did from there on out was catch over a third of Ryan's completed passes, haul in a difficult touchdown pass and rack up 120 yards through the air. Against a middling secondary, White was clutch and capable and consistently fought for extra yardage. As Ryan has caught fire, so has Roddy. - Harry Douglas came up huge on both of his catches. The touchdown reception was a thing of beauty, especially when he shed a tackle from EJ Henderson. On the lighter side, a guy like HD shouldn't consider the middle his bread and butter, but that's where Douglas is comfortable.
- Tony Gonzalez is the most consistent weapon on the team. He caught all nine of his targets for 69 yards, which speaks volumes about how sure-handed he is.
- Michael Palmer ran a nice route and held on for a touchdown. You gotta give props to guys down on the depth chart when they manage that.
- On a day where Ryan was sacked twice and harried a few times, it would still be fair to argue that the Falcons held up pretty well along the line, Joe Hawley's daylong meltdown notwithstanding. Particularly impressive was Will Svitek, who held Jared Allen to zero sacks. He deserves to keep his starting job even when Sam Baker is healthy.
Give props to the line as a whole, though. A team with almost 30 sacks in 10 games being limited to two is solid. - Eric Weems had one huge punt return and three other pretty good ones. When he's not making mistakes and not hesitating, Weems is as dangerous as anyone not named Percy Harvin or Devin Hester.
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Matt Bryant is automatic.
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Matt Bosher was huge today. He averaged 50.4 yards per punt with one inside the 20, and it's hardly his fault that Percy Harvin had such a great return. We'll talk a little bit more about that later.
- Lawrence Sidbury is a fantastic situational pass rusher, and I believe he will someday be more than that. He twice managed to sack Christian Ponder, even if one of those was basically Ponder wandering right into him. The combination of speed and agility is something the Falcons are lacking at end outside of El Sid.
- Speaking of sacks, Sean Weatherspoon got one. He also completely dominated the Vikings.
There may not be a better defender on the D right now than Spoonami, who was in the backfield constantly, making aggressive tackles at the line of scrimmage and just generally flying all over the field. He's fast becoming unstoppable out there. - Chris Owens takes a lot of crap. He took some more yesterday for struggling in coverage on a couple of drives after being forced into the starting lineup in relief of Brent Grimes.
That said, he had two huge plays on Sunday. The first was a sack. The second was a relentless pursuit of Percy Harvin that saved a return touchdown. The Falcons got a stop four plays later, but that never would have happened if Owens hadn't shown the kind of hustle and resilience that sportscasters drool over. He deserves huge props for that play. -
Dunta Robinson was sharp in coverage all day long. The crucial third and long where he popped a hapless receiver over the middle was an exercise in good timing.
- Christian Ponder had a pretty good game all the way around, and it's clear that the pass rush was not consistent. It was great in stretches, though, and Ponder's mobility is a mitigating factor. I give the pass rush in totality a B.
THE LOWLIGHTS
- Michael Turner was pretty mediocre after the first drive, when he was a big part of the offense. Uninspired playcalling reared its ugly head with him again, but Turner just had a hard time against the Vikings front seven. It's not going to get any easier against the Texans.
- Julio Jones was a complete non-factor, except as a decoy. He committed a penalty and dropped a perfectly thrown Matt Ryan deep pass before disappearing for the rest of the game. He's still a valuable piece of the offense, but I'm glad Ryan's not forcing throws to him.
- Joe Hawley settled down in the second half, but he had his first truly terrible game as a pro. He allowed Everson Griffin to kill Ryan, committed a penalty and looked shaky in run-blocking. I'll chalk it up to a bad game for now.
- Mike Mularkey and Mike Smith let Matt Ryan pilot the offense through most of the first half and called smart plays when he wasn't. Then the third quarter hit and the offense turtled, going timid and conservative and just generally lacking any semblance of balls. It's not a coincidence that the Falcons managed about 30 yards in the quarter and the Vikings scored.
The Falcons need to develop a killer instinct when they have a lead. Running up a 17 point lead to 24 or even 31 points isn't a bad thing. It's smart football, particularly when the defense is prone to third quarter lapses of its own. - The special teams coverage kind of stunk on the Harvin return. Just pointing that out.
- The pass rush gets a B, but it would have been nice to see more pressure from the line outside of Sidbury. Abe and Edwards got into the backfield a couple of times but totally whiffed on the athletic Ponder, which somehow manages to be understandable and disappointing at the same time.
- Outside of Dunta Robinson, the secondary had a little trouble containing Ponder. It was even worse when Brian Van Gorder's soft zone met Percy Harvin, who managed to streak down the field for a touchdown with only Curtis Lofton to cover him. That just can't happen.
- Consistency is a good thing. It's fine that Mike Smith admits the Falcons still have issues to fix, especially in the third quarter. It's another thing to finally fix them. Let's hope they do so before they have to take on the Texans.
THE WRAPUP
Game MVP: Lot of deserving candidates in this one, and Matt Ryan would seem to be impossible to pass up. Still, I'm going to give it to 'Spoon, who single-handedly ruined a couple of Vikings drives in this one.
Game Theme Song: I don't know that this actually fits, but I was listening to it while I wrote the post and it kinda felt right. You know? Totally.
One Thing To Take Away: A win. Because that's what the Falcons took away.
Next Week: The difficult task of facing the Houston Texans. They have a great ground game and a terrific defense, even if they're starting their third string quarterback against the Falcons. It won't be easy, so brush up with Battle Red Blog.
Final Word: Sevenandfour.
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It will be a great injustice if Weatherspoon doesn't make the Pro Bowl
Sadly I can see it happening because he only has 3 sacks and no interceptions.
AGREED!!!
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by Blood_Talon on Nov 28, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
The TD pass to Palmer
Has Julio on a slant and he was WIDE open in the endzone.
by dirtybirds233 on Nov 28, 2011 8:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I saw that too but who's to say that he would've caught it.
He needs to do some extra work after practice to work on catching the ball with his hands.
EVERYONE was open on that play. It was really well designed.
Matt just got to go with read #1.
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it doesnt matter
As long as we scored
by jgreedy on Nov 28, 2011 3:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
everyone was open all day
why we decided to run coming out of halftime…..who knows
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Probably was just Ryan's progressions
Play was probably designed to look at TG then throw to a wide open Palmer, which he was. No harm, no foul.
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Cool story.
Mike Grimes gave me a ticket to the game via twitter. She’s got to be the coolest of the players wives. Does anyone know Brent’s status?
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by Ball Hawk on Nov 28, 2011 8:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He's an oaf with 0 talent.
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by Ball Hawk on Nov 28, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Married with one child
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by a hooter's baby on Nov 28, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Did you get that from Facebook?
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by Ball Hawk on Nov 28, 2011 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A good win for us
We beat a team we’re SUPPOSED to beat-and we beat them by 10 points. A bunch of folks on here continue to whine about how we should have won by a larger margin. I’ll take this win any day. How many times this year have we seen teams like Baltimore and NYG LOSE to teams they should have spanked? If not for that crazy punt play, we would have blown the game wide open. Every team has holes but ours aren’t glaring ones. Even ESPN’s beloved Packers would be in huge trouble with that terrible run game and crappy D if Rodgers wasn’t playing like he’s from another dimension. We are a good, balanced team who can and will hang with the big boys. Bottom line: we beat the teams we are supposed to beat. Also, the offense has figured out how to incorporate HD which makes us a more dangerous team since teams will have to respect him. Our O-line has been pretty good lately, and our D is money. I like us going foward.
by leonw92 on Nov 28, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
exactly.. we covered da point spread
by jgreedy on Nov 28, 2011 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Praisen and haten
Actually it should be haten and praisen.I was cussin some secondary players yesterday and next thing ya know Im telling myself that it doesn’t matter what they do for the rest of the season after The chase down and defensive stop .That was epic in my book.
by JT131 on Nov 28, 2011 9:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
My thoughts
Another C’MON! game for me, with the dreaded 3rd quarter sleepiness that seems to haunt this team.
- Ryan is looking elite again. He was picture perfect all afternoon and would have passed 300 yards were it not for two bad drops by JJ and RW. If he continues to play like this, the Falcons will be very scary in the playoffs.
- Quizz needs to be carrying half the running load now. As short as he is, he just doesn’t seem to lose yards – and in fact, he tends to make more out of plays than Turner does. His beautiful run to grab the first down at the end of the game is proof enough that this kid is deserving of far more snaps
- Weatherspoon is our defensive MVP this season. Since the Chicago game – when he didn’t know how to tackle – he has been a force. He’s registering sacks, tackles for loss and is great in coverage as well.
- Hawley had a bad game, and I’m beginning to wonder if trying Sam Baker in that right guard spot might be worth it. McClure is in his twilight and Hawley appears to be our center of the future. It might be wise to use some of the “easier” games to test our potential starting line for 2012 – and that includes this years playoffs
- I’m content with the overall play of the offense and defense. Special teams is really what put us in a bad position. Were it not for the bad punt coverage and the kickoff coverage, Minnesota probably goes scoreless. Dominique Franks had a particularly bad day, as it appeared that he blew his coverage on the 4th and 13 conversion.
I’m still waiting for this team to put a complete game together and to develop the killer instinct that it takes to win in the playoffs. It drives me insane that we go into a super-conservative run-run-pass offense when we have any sort of lead. Whether it’s Smith or Mularkey, we need to be willing to push a dagger into our opponents heart. This team is capable of beating a Minnesota by 30 – and we should have.
unfortunately
It might be wise to use some of the "easier" games to test our potential starting line for 2012
I can’t see an easy game on our schedule. yes, there are games we are expected to win, but games are won on the field, and with all the inconsistency of this team, they all will be challenging.
but I do agree with you on Baker and Hawley.
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Dominique Franks ran the coverage he's supposed to
the safety is supposed to know where the streaker is instead of looking into the backfield. But none of that would have happened if there was more pressure on the QB
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Has anyone noticed?..........
……that we have started the last few games in one back, 3 receiver sets……there seems to be some experimentation going on with MM and the offense (which is a good sign). It looks like they realize that the traditional Michael Turner 20+ carries/play action offense (while is great for getting to the playoffs) will not sustain us once we get to the playoffs.
I’m sensing MM “transitioning” the offense to something that by the time we get to the playoffs will be much less Turner dependent, and much more dependent on an explosive offense. I’ve been maintaining for a while that this is the only chance we have of winning a playoff game. The training wheels have to come completely off of Ryan – and we ultimately HAVE TO live or die with him – I think he’s up to it.
Turner is still getting his 20 or so carries (which I get), but I would prefer to see a “25” number spread over the 3 backs. Turner has been non-existent in the 2nd half of games – which has been the biggest reason (IMO) for our 3rd quarter issues.
Turner is just fine at the beginning of games until he gets hit in the mouth a few times. Then, he starts doing his best TJ Duckett imitation, tippy-toeing around the backfield hoping for a gaping a hole, instead of just hitting what’s there.
I’m very encouraged that FINALLY, the Falcon brass seem to be getting tired of this. Here’s hoping (as has been mentioned) that we go to a Green Bay/New Orleans/New England style “backfield by committee”. Unless you have a true every down back like LaSean McCoy or Arian Foster (which we DON’T!!) the 3 back system IS the only way to go.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 28, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was shocked when I saw Jason Snelling only has about fifty yards this season
A guy who hit the free agency market because he thought he could be “the guy” for some team probably can’t consider himself the main backup in the backfield. I understand he has stepped into the fullback role a lot with Ovie’s injury, but even Ovie managed some yardage. I just am shocked by Snelling’s lack of production this year. It could be blamed on the player or the coach, but I think both deserve a little blame.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
you nailed it
Turner has been non-existent in the 2nd half of games – which has been the biggest reason (IMO) for our 3rd quarter issues.
there has got to be another explanation to that. I attribute that to playcalling and lack of adjustments at halftime. in those games we built halftime lead and went conservative. every team knows by now that in those situations we don’t run no huddle offense and we run Turner up the middle on 1st downs. Turner thrives in no huddle simply because the D is on its hills and expecting playaction or some other pass play.
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Mularkey needs to quit screwing around with a lead
When you have an opponent on the ground with your knee in his throat you don’t stand him back up and give him a pistol. Seriously this 3rd quarter no offense BS is really getting tiring. Mularkey needs to find a killer instinct and do it quick. That crap won’t get us to the playoffs and it sure won’t win us any playoff games. If an opponent can’t hit your fastball then you abuse him with it. If the game plan was working in the first half then why change it in the 2nd until they MAKE you adjust. In the name of all that’s holy PLEASE LET MATT CALL THE FREAKING GAME out of the no huddle in the 2nd half!
I meant to say
another explanation for Turner’s woes, other than his TJ Ducket impersonation.
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i disagree with
“Turner has been non-existent in the 2nd half of games – which has been the biggest reason (IMO) for our 3rd quarter issues.”
It’s because we go away with what’s working and try to run the clock. Minnesota hasn’t been bad in run defense but has been terrible in pass defense. 151 yards passing after the half and we don’t keep passing??
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I think Chris Owens deserves props for his effort in the game
On this site, many of us have refuted any sort of ability he may have, starting with his playoff performance against the Packers last season. Granted, I would be willing to bet he is not pleased with his play either. But some of the plays he is failing to make are really costing the team. You look at the Harvin catch when the announcer mentioned “What was Chris Owens doing? You have to make that interception.” This is a true statement. Owen had to make that interception, or at least prevent the completion. But then I witnessed Chris Owens run down Percy Harvin. He never gave up chasing one of the fastest players in the NFL. I understand he has his many faults, but again, he is a third year player who is giving everything he has every time he steps on the field. I appreciate the effort and I want guys like that on my team.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 10:09 AM EST reply actions
I love the guys heart.
He just scares the hell out of me at nickel
by FLA_Falcon on Nov 28, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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That was Dominique Franks guy.
Owens was covering another guy and had to bail Franks out, and couldn’t get there in time, nor could the line backer.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Owens just jump da route. But that was franks guy
by jgreedy on Nov 28, 2011 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok I’ll officially say it—-Spoon get my MVP for the game. Appears Mizzo players take a couple years to develop. So as I had to eat my words regarding Moore I will bow down to Spoon now if he continues to play as he did this weekend. Spoon MVP…..
Yeah, he's exceeded my wildest expectations
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by Dave Choate on Nov 28, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
I am completely
Happy with how we are playing right now! I am starting to believe that we are starting to walk towards elite status. Granted we need to learn how to put a TD on the board in the 3rd quarter, or at the very least a FG to extend the lead. Stop with the Michael turner criticism the Viks have a great Run D and they probably game planned for him. He only had 60 yards but he was serviceable in this one he did exactly what we needed him to do. He is what keeps us consistent because teams have to plan for either him or Ryan. Cut the criticism out he had a rough game it happens. But if we try to play more like the Patriots or packers we would be in the same situation that we were in the beginning of the season. That type of play is just not us we Are an Incredibly Balanced team that can score just about whenever we feel like it. Just wait guys I’m starting to see some special things for the rest of this year.
by falcons101 on Nov 28, 2011 10:46 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
not good enough......
disagree 101……Turner is a good enough feature back to get us to the playoffs, but “offensive balance” with him has our back will not win us a playoff game – he’s just not good enough.
We have to transition our offense to a new identity before the playoffs. “Experimenting” against teams like the Vikings with more varied formations and packages is exactly what we should be doing – and I think you saw it yesterday.
I know it sounds crazy, but other than putting in some better blitz packages, our D is playoff ready……assuming Grimes is ok. We need to continue to develop a more unpredictable offense in the next five games to stand a chance to win in the playoffs (and I think the coaching staff knows it).
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 28, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think he is the perfect back
No he won’t give you a Gauranteed 100 yrd performance in the playoffs BUT what he does is wear down a defens, which is why I think we have had so much success passing in the fourth quarter over the past few years. Teams get tired and sore trying to tackle someone with the load of Michael Turner thus in the fourth quarter we score exactly what we need. We do need to start looking for a replacement but for right now he gives us exactly what we need.
by falcons101 on Nov 28, 2011 11:58 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
101.....it seems that.........
you have Michael Turner confused with THE Jamal Anderson. Were you around in 1998? Anderson was as good as anyone ever at wearing down a team in the 4th quarter.
I’m not sure what games you’re watching, but Turner is usually a non-factor in the 4th quarter. He clearly has no desire (like Jam did) to wear down a defense. He wants to be a finesse back and protect his body (for who knows what reason, but its all over his body language).
With his body type, Turner has no excuse for not hitting a hole as quickly and as violently as possible – yet he dances and tippytoes.
He saves his delivering of blows for after he’s past the front seven and can pick on a DB – that’s the epitome of wussyness to me. I’m just not fan.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
No offense but Turner has been a top 5 back since 08.
I’d prefer he stay healthy and ready for the next game also I would rather us not rag him out by ramming him up Todd Mclure’s ass all game, lord haven’t we seen enough of that?
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by Ball Hawk on Nov 28, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
top 5 in what?????
total rushing yards per season?………that’s only because he has the most carries since ’08. Top 5 backs are all purpose backs, meaning that they are in the top 10 in the league in 4 key categories yards per carry, yards per reception, total yards from scrimmage, and touchdowns.
Turner is only a top 5 back in touchdowns………..he’s not even top 10 in yards per carry, catches, or yards per catch……….I’m sorry, but that’s not a top 5 back, and the coaching staff has finally realized it………I hope.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They put up a stat during the game yesterday
It was a comparison of Adrian Peterson and Michael Turner. AP is first is carries, yards per game, and touchdowns since 2008. Turner is second in every category. I agree that he is not an all-purpose back like a Matt Forte, but he has been incredibly consistent (i’m looking at you Chris Johnson) and gets the job done. It could easily be argued that there are five more talented backs out there, but in terms of value to the team, consistency, and reliability, Turner is a top 5 RB easily.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'll grant that.......
I saw the same comparison put up on screen……..but those are all endurance and dependability stats. Those are great, but they have nothing to do with explosiveness, and Turner’s production can be EASILY surpassed by a Ryan Grant/James Starks/John Kuhn type committee……..with a lot fresher legs.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 28, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I will disagree with your assessment about production
Granted, the Packers might have been a simple example, but I will run with them. This year, the entire Packers team (so throw Rodgers rushing yards in there) has 1069 yards on 280 carries, or 3.8 ypc. Michael Turner has 948 yards on 219 carries, or 4.3 ypc. The Packers have nine rushing touchdowns, Turner has 8. Turner’s 11.9 yards per catch is better than any running back for the Packers. I agree that watching MT run is not the most explosive, awe-inspiring thing to do, but he is incredibly productive and durable, and I wouldn’t trade that for anything.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
Sure MT isn't Matt forte
Or Darren McFadden or even AP but he is in a class of his own there is NO other back in the league like Michael Turner. He is not goin to give you 100 yards catching 100 yards rushing and 3 TD’s BUT we will run straight up the middle force safety’s to come up thus allowing Matt to go over the top and that’s EXACTLY what we need. Anything else would be Greedy that would be FAR too much talent on our offense. Not saying that’s a bad thing but it wouldn’t work out. MT is a guy that doesn’t cry for carries doesn’t Bitch to be involved in plays he takes what he gets and is happy with it. And to me that invaluable.
by falcons101 on Nov 28, 2011 2:49 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
ok.........let me put it another way
I’m willing to bet a large sum that this franchise will never win a playoff game in which Turner has 20 or more carries. I know that bucks the team’s trend, but that’s exactly my point. We’re built to win regular season games.
We need to transition to a truly explosive, unpredictable offense in order to be a successful playoff team………at least until we get a Raven/Steeler type defense.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 28, 2011 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
If that is the case
it WILL NOT be due to MT’s performance.
I am constantly amazed how the responsibility for the run game gets dumped solely on MT’s shoulders. There seems to be little to no accountability for the coaches or OL. It has been stated and noted that MT has played great this year when running outside. He had multiple runs against MIN that were outside and they went for very good gains. In the 3rd quarter every single person on MIN’s team new exactly what ATL was going to do offensively in the second half and ATL did not dissappoint. Run up the gut until you give the ball back to MIN. MIN adjusted to ATL’s run game and ATL’s changed nothing. Our coaches are incapable of making adjustments at half time. That is not MT’s fault.
In addition to the issues with the running game what has the passing game done to stretch any teams from seven? Very little.
Well, MT should learn to rearrange his atoms to be able to pass thru solid matter!
That way he won’t have to worry about the predictable playcalling and inability of the line to open up holes! Problem solved.
We may have been making a funny but sadly,
Everything u wrote about our staff is true. Where most (all) teams come out of the half with a few tricks up their sleeves, we come out like we just woke up and can’t be bothered til we have out coffee, which is usually served in the 4th. I’m not saying we should run some insane reverses or send everyone on fly patterns but throw a screen, trips formation w/Gonzo, JJ and Roddy, flex Quizz out into the slot, he WILL get lost out there.
Whoa, sorry guys. I was thinking outside the Falcon box. The very small Falcon box.
by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Can someone please????..........
….transplant JA32’s heart into Turners body. If he ran like Jam, we would be a Super Bowl team. Jam’s attitude when we had the lead in the 2nd half of a game was “gimme the damn ball”. Turner is non-existent in the 2nd half of games. He fades big-time after his poor psyche has been damaged by being smacked in the mouth a few times.
He’s just not the smash mouth player that his frame suggests he should be.
by AuxiliaryHusky on Nov 29, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
MT is not nor ever will
be JA32. Seriously, why do you continue to blame MT for the second half run game? Instead, why don’t you ask why doesn’t our coaches make half time adjustments like the team we’re playing does? It’s a phallacy to assume the JA32 would do better on this team.
Pause
Look at the stats when turner get I’ve 20 touches we win when he gets 15 or fewer we lose! Or where you not watching the first half of the season? Running him 20 or more times beleive it or not is the perfect game plan because teams have to come up and Gang tackle him ( which is why we Have so much success in play action ) teams are forced to come up either way just to give help if needed. I don’t understand guys that complain about our pieces man we have the perfect team to push through the playoffs no team is as balanced as us beleive it or not.
by falcons101 on Nov 28, 2011 6:50 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Correlation =/= Causation
When Turner gets 20+ Carries, it is usually because we’re trying to run out the clock in a game we are already leading. When he gets <15 Carries, it’s usually because we are already behind, and have to play catch-up.
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Yeah, Turner doesn't have the second most TDs of any running back since 2008
and he’s not producing another 1000 yard year either. He’s a complete non-factor
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Who has the second most TDs?
And I would say that with 948 yards through 11 games, he is definitely on pace to get 1000 yards. And as long as he stays healthy next year, he will repeat that feat.
"He has lived up to the legendary billing... And the legend is born in Calvin Johnson!" -Wes Durham
by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I’m pretty sure maxxj3 was being sarcastic there.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
Completely missed that haha
He forgot to use the sarcasm font
"He has lived up to the legendary billing... And the legend is born in Calvin Johnson!" -Wes Durham
by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'll TAKE IT
Didn’t see it but heard most of it on Radio. A win is still a win.
I am just glad...
to see names like “Douglas, Rodgers and Palmer” getting their hands on the ball with positive results!!
Not sure if this is MM evolving (because he certainly can’t de-evolve any further…I hope…) or just MR saying "screw it, I am using these guys I have on the field"!!
I am going with MR being creative for now but what do I know…
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
I thought this was one of the more complete games they've played this season.
The kick return and the fumble on special teams was disappointing for sure. Adrian Peterson would have been more likely to slam the ball into the end zone. Dominique Frank’s fumble on the punt return team was forgivable, but his lack of hustle on the kick coverage unit was not acceptable. It shows you why they favor Owens…
If Weems
would just fair catch those short kicks, instead of waving his arms and letting the ball hit and bounce down to the 5 yards line. Which I have seem many more times this year than I should have to! I just don’t understand weems’ decision making
ask BVG
Dave,
Please ask BVG and report what coverage scheme he called that had Lofton covering Harvin deep? Fourth and thirteen… hell Lofton shouldn’t even be in the game given his coverage weakness!!!
BVG’s prevent D must go. Three down linemen + no pass rush = third and fourth down conversions. Makes me wonder if the lack of a consistent pass rush is scheme or personnel related.
by Charlie Dirty Bird on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions
Yeah that was a shit play call by BVG.
Harvin is the fastest guy on the team, I was like WTF.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Nov 28, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The best/worst part of that moronic playcall was that 3 man rush became a 2 man rush
As one of our rushers was just flattened right at the snap giving us an awesome 2 man rush! Blown coverage or not, Lofton was AT LEAST the underneath coverage on Harvin and while Lofton was there, I’m sorry, he shouldn’t have been any type of coverage on their fastest WR. I believe that’s what they call a mismatch you moron BVG.
While I'm not a BVG fan
That was not all his fault. I agree that a zone blitz was a bad. He should have blitzed the snot out of Ponder. I doubt the play had Lofton covering Harvin that far down field with no S/DB support. I think someone blew a coverage and Lofton was trying his best to pick up Harvin as best he could.
Pretty sure D. Franks blew his coverage
The sideline coverage of the team coming off the field strongly indicated that Franks had blown his coverage. As bad as BVG is, I doubt he’d call a coverage that puts Lofton that deep and covering their speed wideout.
I was trying to figure out what James Sanders was doing
He creeped in on the play and let Harvin run right past him. Harvin might not have been his responsibility, but I think if you are the deep safety, you should not let their best offensive weapon get behind you on a play like that.
"He has lived up to the legendary billing... And the legend is born in Calvin Johnson!" -Wes Durham
by sportsfan4life2012 on Nov 28, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
My first instinct was to blame Owens. But upon watching the replay he actually pulled off his receiver to come help. That blown play was ALLLLLL on Sanders. He’s covering no one in man….he sees the linebacker running with Harvin up the middle of the field and let’s him go…seriously?
Oh yea, it was definetly a blown coverage
Like I said Lofton was underneath but his over the top help never arrived. He did his best but we have this maddening scheme where LB’s end up on the oppositions #1 WR. Not a TE, not a RB, not a slot guy, a Jennings, Colston, Harvin type. I don’t think it was a zone blitz. It was just a straight 3 man rush, which became 2 after one was mauled at the snap, dropping 8 into coverage.
You’re right, the blitz amp should have been turned up to eleven on that play, force him to a check down and swarm to the ball. You know, common sense BVG.
Matter of fact Lofton showed his speed and effort on that play
when someone else should have
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
very happy with this team
The only thing that concerns me with this team is the coaches mentality to try not to lose the game once we get up. Rather than trying to win try get way too conservative and predictable. Stay full throttle all the way and we can beat anyone. Other than that I can’t be more happy with this team. We are getting hot at the right time. We will continue this run and be very dangerous in he playoffs, I’m certain of it.
by jmpecker on Nov 28, 2011 12:58 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
Only three teams have beaten the Vikes by more than 7
Packers, Bears, Falcons.
Yesterday was pretty much the way it should have been.
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by Duff_Man on Nov 28, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
and green bay only won by 6 their 1st game
by jgreedy on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
they took detroit to overtime
And lost by 3
by jgreedy on Nov 28, 2011 5:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Winning is always good enough
I have a hard time understanding how fans can ever be upset with a win. Ever. Fans should stop acting like they’re the head coach. Let our coaches worry about the mistakes. You enjoy the win. It’s not like you can do anything about their play on the field, anyway.
by nirwin on Nov 28, 2011 2:35 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
It ain't good enough.
PERIOD. Disappearing for a whole quarter and a half offensively and defensively, not capitalizing, and not playing a full game AINT GOOD ENOUGH IN THE PLAYOFFS. That’s why we’re terrible in the post season, a win isn’t good enough it’s how you win that tells it all.
You must be kinda slow.
I’ll make it simple for you. If we play that way in the playoffs it won’t be good enough to win.
You must be 13 years old
So I’ll move past the silly insults. If you’re so inclined as to attempt to hurt one’s feelings on the internet, though, you should probably come up with something a bit more clever.
Teams don’t play the same way in week 11 that they do in the playoffs. There’s still time to improve. PERIOD.
Sorry, I just had to throw that little bit of snark in there, seeing as how your comments have been so full of it.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
You have a valid point
about teams not playing the same every week. But ATL has repeated the same behavior for going on four years now. Play just a little better than marginal teams and struggle or lose to playoff caliber teams. We have been saying there is time to improve for a while and the same issues exist now as then.
by mwalex on Nov 28, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I see your point, but I think we’re seeing signs of improvement. While there are still some problem areas, which like you said have persisted for a very long time now, there have also been strides made in recent weeks.
I see the things we’re doing better now than we were last year, or even earlier this year, and I take it as a sign of things to come. We are growing. Our offensive coordinator is, however subtly, showing a willingness to change and adapt.
This offense, in my opinion, will be as potent as any other in the NFL by the time the playoffs role around. I see things shaping up for the Falcons to make a Packers-like run this year.
I’m not comparing us to the Packers. I’m only saying that they didn’t look like the team we saw in the playoffs on week 11 last year, and I think it will be the same case for us this season.
This is my corn. You people are guests in my corn.
I appreciate your optimism
but I don’t see the same things. I do see flashes of improved performance but not consistency on either side of the ball. If, and that’s a big if, the play on O and D becomes more consistent then I will feel much better.
Hey look! The delicate flower is back!!!
How ya been mr9876543210?
by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
What troubles me most about this team right now…
Isn’t our inconsistency on offense (an offense that is stacked with talent), or our lack of killer instinct, or the fact we can’t seem to score in the 3rd quarter. It’s the fact that all of those are problems that have existed since September 2010 and STILL aren’t fixed. On their face, these are issues that are all very fixable… if the team can play great for a half, it’s silly to think they can’t play great for the second half. But it’s hard not to be bothered by the fact that this problem has persisted for an incredibly long time now, which tells you that either the coaches/players won’t fix it or can’t fix it.
There is a myth among a lot of NFL fans that in the NFL, all that matters is getting the win. For a team that’s still rebuilding, that’s true, and in the playoffs, that’s true. But for a team in the regular season that is hoping to compete for a title, it’s not true at all, because how you win is a great indicator as to how you’ll perform down the road. Last year the Falcons were winning, but they weren’t winning in ways that were very encouraging. Lo and behold, they got blown up in the playoffs, but people who had been seeing the signs all year long weren’t terribly shocked. The problems that got exposed by Green Bay were there all year long. And as much as we got angry at the Dilfer’s of the world who weren’t convinced by how the Falcons were winning, they had some basis for those arguments. There was too much smoke and mirrors last year, and those things don’t work in the playoffs. Letting teams hang around and letting up when you can put the game away may work against a .500 team… it does not work against Green Bay or New Orleans or most of the teams that comprise the top 1/3 of the league.
Some get annoyed because they think this line of reasoning is too negative, but that ignores where this team is right now. For the 2008 Falcons, it would be negative… that was a team that was rebuilding, and getting wins was the priority. But now we’re a team that is claiming to be building something of a championship caliber. The expectations have changed, and it’s perfectly valid to point out where that building process may have stalled.
I’m not saying that all is lost or that the Falcons are screwed, but I am saying that how you win matters, and this team is winning in a way that may yield favorable regular season results but will get you killed in the playoffs.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 28, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yep...learn to put people away or get put away
There’s a difference between eating clock when you have a lead and being stupid conservative when you have a lead. Keep being aggressive and make them stay on their heels. Contrary to Mularkey and BVG belief you can actually do that. On offense you can actually run clock even with passing plays. GASP!!!!! On Defense you can still keep opposing offenses in check without using a prevent defense everytime we get a comfortable lead.
This aint the NCAA!
The only thing that counts is wins and losses. You don’t get style points in the rankings. No matter how you get a win, that win still has as much credit to it as all of the other ones. Whether you win by 50 or by 1, it is a W. Why don’t you go ask the 07’ Patriots how far style points got them?
That's not my point
I’m not saying getting wins doesn’t matter. What i’m saying is that if your goal is to compete for a title, then how you’re playing teams is a very good indicator as to how legit a title contender you are.
And understand, i’m not saying people are wrong for being excited about the win. You should be happy we won. I’m happy we won. But as a fan who wants to see my team win a title, I have to look deeper than the win and see if my team is handling itself in such a way that makes them a legit contender. Right now, i’m not seeing it.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 28, 2011 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
Alright, let's look at how we've been playing recently then
Our offense is playing really well, absolutely well enough to win a championship. I know it’s totally galling that we don’t score a touchdown on every freaking possession, and that is clearly cause for Mike Mularkey’s firing. Yes, we had a three-and-out in our only possession of the third quarter. If we’re not allowed one three-and-out, I really don’t know what to tell you. It’s gonna happen. The three-and-out in the fourth quarter was entirely based on the stupidest rule in sports history, so you should throw that out, frankly. All in all, there is pretty much nothing more the offense should’ve been expected to do.
The defense gave up one drive of any import the entire day, and then gave up the one fourth-and-13 play. Because they gave up one drive and one play with pretty much their entire reserve secondary in the game, that’s cause for a tremendous amount of concern? And there was absolutely nothing wrong with the front seven yesterday, whatsoever.
The fact is that if Franks doesn’t have that punt bounce up and hit him in the rear end, we win at least 24-7. I’m sure that still wouldn’t be enough points for all the people who say we’re not playing well enough but won’t give a benchmark for what it will look like when we are, but just keep it in mind. Also keep in mind that the Vikings have played the vast majority of their games very close. They’ve also been a very good first half team, and we just came out and dump-trucked them in the first half. These are professional football teams, not Louisiana-Monroe.
All of this stuff about how this team can’t win in the playoffs is BS. We’re not in the freaking playoffs right now, and no team (well, less than five in NFL history, anyway) is capable of playing their absolute best every single week. Whether or not we would have won a playoff game playing like we did yesterday is COMPLETELY irrelevant. We weren’t playing a freaking playoff game yesterday. Last year’s Packers had the exact same record as we do right now at this point in the season, and they had some pretty pathetic performances early on. Once again, a win is a win, period. And how you play one week doesn’t necessarily have any bearing on how you play the next.
Alright
then let’s look at some things that don’t agree with what you said.
“ATL had one three and out” – in the 3rd quarter ATL had ONE first down. No one is complaining about “three and outs”. The complaints are about playing not to lose, which ATL always does against poor teams and has done for four years. That is one reason why ATL does not have a good record against playoff caliber teams this season.
“The D gave up one drive and one 4th and 13” – do you realize ATL is dead last, or close to it, in long 3rd down conversions allowed? That single 4th and 13 play is an example of a systemic issue that has been a problem for ATL all year long. It is hardly about one drive and one play. Again, a rookie or marginal QB had a career day against the D.
It’s hard to find fault in the Franks ST play except for the fact that he has no clue where the ball was.
I will vehemently disagree with your last paragraph. ATL has not played a complete game this entire year, well, with the possible exception of against IND. Some facets improve while others lapse. If you think a win is a win, so be it, but that is not the case in reality. That mentality was pervasive on this board last year and people were shocked by what happened in the playoffs. People are again setting themselves up for disappointment.
by mwalex on Nov 28, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Didnt know
A career day was throwing for 180 yards and 1 touchdown.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 28, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It is for this part of his career.
His only game better number wise was against CAR. Guess our D is on par with theirs.
Ponder had a 68% completion percentage, averaged 7.4 yards per completion and a QB rating of 103. Blame it on no Grimes or Moore if you want but it’s just more of the same for the ATL D.
Thanks Mwalex
That pretty much sums up what my response would have been
by cheshire falcon on Nov 28, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Still looking for 3rd and long breakdowns but
According to ESPN our D ranks 23rd on 3rd down conversions, down one spot from last season and 23rd on 4th down conversions down 3 spots from 2010. So this inability to get off the field on 3rd downs has been a problem since last season, so unless our players really like to be on the field and like failing over and over again I put this squarely on BVG. We do the same thing over and over and fail over and over. Maybe a change? In anything?? BVG is utterly horrified to do anything that might speed his demise, so he’s content to just look like a high school coach in over his head and keep collecting his check.
by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
Give this a try
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversions-per-game
ATL is tied with four other teams with 5.5 thrid down conversions per game for 2011. They are also 24th with teams converting 41.38% of the time on third down.
So we've gotten worse since last year
And we’re worse at home?!? By a substantial margin to boot! You would think the opposite would be true. Very telling numbers. This defense is running in place on a greasy slope. In other words, going backwards slowly but surely. We’ve shown sparks of life at times but nothing consistent enough to say we’ve turned the corner.
Yes, we are winning and that’s fantastic but my concern is, with this teams inability to get off the field, players are going to wear down or worse. We have the players unless we’re horribly mistaken, to make some noise. So that leaves the coaching and scheme, which go hand in hand, that will hold us back. time to kick some a$$ Smitty. Enough with the coachspeak.
by aces666high on Nov 29, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
If Chris Owens
had half as bad a day as Dominique Franks yesterday, this board would be on meltdown alert. Interesting how the fanbase picks and chooses favorites. Franks, like Owens, is still a very young player with elite potential. But, with both we need to see progress. I hate to suggest it b/c we recently changed the DB coach, but it might be time to look for other answers at DB coach. Both Tim Lewis and Alvin Reynolds are hanging their hats on the Grimes accomplishment, but other than Grimes (and perhaps Decoud), our secondary has consistently under-performed their talent level.
I was very happy with the team yesterday, but the coaching (who I mainly blame for the consistent 3rd Q woes) needs serious re-evaluation, even Smitty needs to take a good look at his flaws.
by KMarch on Nov 28, 2011 5:17 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and Stephen Nicholas
really hope he just got a charlie horse yesterday. If he misses significant time, that could have some serious deleterious effects on the balance of the D.
I hope it was as simple as a charlie horse
but it looked worse right before he left the game. It might be time to work Dent into the rotation. He’s been playing very well on ST’s.

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