Winning By Any Means Necessary: A Falcons-Vikings Postgame Thread
The Atlanta Falcons jumped out to a huge halftime lead. Then they made it interesting.
There's plenty to pick on here with the Falcons, who suffered major lapses on defense and special teams today. But there's a lot more to celebrate, after the Falcons fought through a little adversity and came up big against the Vikings. That 24-14 win may not look like dominance, but it sure as hell counts in the standings.
The Falcons were led by Matt Ryan's superb passing day, quality games from several receivers and a superlative performance from Sean Weatherspoon. They had great individual plays by guys like Chris Owens, Jacquizz Rodgers and Lawrence Sidbury, too.
When you consider the rest of the schedule, it's entirely possible that the Falcons can run the table or walk away with a 4-1 or 3-2 record. That could mean a playoff berth. Cross your fingers hard.
We'll have recaps and more tomorrow morning. For the moment, discuss the Falcons game and talk out the Sunday night game here.
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Sell your stock
Starting to believe that we really are a pretender…consistantly inconsistant
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
After a 10 point win?
There’s problems here, and I’ll definitely touch on them in the full recap. But I’m not ready to sell.
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ouch
C’mon now, you gotta have a reason to watch next Sunday.
by NeedATicketToTheGame on Nov 27, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You, sir, are an ass.
We have won 5 of 6. In a professional league. Your argument is not valid.
Please support this statement with numbers to back it up, because your opinion is not an official measuring stick.
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YOur wrong
You Think Games Like This Are Going to Beat Teams like tha saints and Green Bay in the playoffs then you are mistaken
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Neither of you are wrong
This kind of game won’t beat the best of the best in the NFL, but there’s time to get to that level. A win today is key.
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Stats dont win rings Dummy I mean Duffy...
Heres a stat to look up. How many sacks to we have and where does that rank? How many picks do we have and where does that rank? Without a blitz that D line is a joke and Arron Rodgers will rip it apart. Nothing has changed since last year…infact its worse statistically. John Abrahams age is starting to show and Ray Edwards is a tomato can. Seriously how do you comepare us to Green Bay cuz thats what matters if we make the playoffs. Ive been optimistic all year long but putting things in perspective yes we’ll make the playoffs and maybe we get a 1st round win but unless Ray Edwards turns into a pressure machine and 55 finds the fountain of youth were not gonna play in bigger games. I wont even get started on that bust Perrei Jerry but we need help.
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So Do You Honestly think We Can Beat Green Bay The Way We Played Today???
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Helllllll No!
Theyll spread it out and pick us apart…grimes is the only secondary player I can respect, love moore but hes hurt. Decouds a bust and should be benched
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
sure - the 2011 plan is let GB get home field, then go up in a windy snowstorm and beat them with the running game
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I like that option
The weather gets colder and GB will be forced to run which they don’t do as well and takes the ball out of A Rod and all his receivers.
Falcons strength is run defense.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 2:54 AM EST up reply actions
Come one guys...
you really don’t believe this do you?? This is their field for cripe-sakes, I think they know how to play their weather conditions…
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by Blood_Talon on Nov 28, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not the way we played today
But for some reason, this Falcons team tends to rise to the occasion. We played GB well in the first half and took a very explosive Saints team into OT.
Our problem isn’t our ability to play against the great teams – it’s our tendency to play down to the teams we should destroy.
NO
Our Problem is We Cant Finish Games
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
true to some extent
In terms of not playing a complete game
But they usually finish to win, even is some occasional losing efforts.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
They did hold Green Bay to a season low 25 points in 2011
When the Falcons offense struggle to score 14 points.
So it’s possible.
And I think as bad as they are still playing they are getting healthier and Mike Smith’s defense tends to improve as the season progresses historically.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Duffy? Really? My real name is Ed. Use that...at least it rhymes with a lot more.
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Sure it's makes us nervous when games are that close...
but I’ll take any kind of win against any kind of team…nothing should be taken for granted in a competitive league like the NFL.
by excaliberx18 on Nov 27, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Buccaneers go down
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Well...
that is good news…along with the Bears loss.
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"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
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Add
We still have 0 pass rush, the only way we get sacks and pressure is with blitzes which leaves our weak secondary looking like swiss cheese.
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Four sacks
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I was actually largely impressed with the rush today
Ponder is good at escaping.
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I agree
we were getting a lot of penetration today….it was just some good athleticism by Ponder.
by excaliberx18 on Nov 27, 2011 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Okay But How Many Times Are We Going to Make Excuses for our horrible Pass Rush
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
Four sacks and quality pressure today
I did not see a terrible pass rush, frankly. Not today. Most weeks, yes.
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Idk What you were watching
I Seen the Four sacks, but i also seen a Rookie QB tear us apart as if he was a veteran , and i seen Jake Locker do the same last week
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Tear us apart?
Granted, he had a better second half, but our special teams gave him a short field and our defense had a massive mental lapse on one play. He’s also a very elusive QB – otherwise, we definitely rack up at least 2 or 3 more sacks.
Sacks are over rated...
We just dont dominate the line of schrimage.
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We're one of the top 5 run stuffing teams
We may not rack up the sacks, but that does NOT mean we don’t get pressure on the QB.
Okay
but that doesnt mean anything if Tavaris Jackson can come in and throw 300 plus against our defense
TAVARIS JACKSON????
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
That was early in the season
In the past 6 games, we’re 5-1 and allowing less than 20 points per game. We haven’t allowed a 100 yard rusher in over a year and we’re in the thick of the playoff hunt, if not in the hunt for the division title.
But yes, Tavaris Jackson racking up 300 was painful.
Thats over rated as well...
The league is a passing league and our pass defense is a joke thus teams are gonna pass on us. Our rush D isnt bad but im not ready to call it shut down. San fran has a shut down rush D. The rush def numbers are skewed
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This "Passing League" non-sense has to stop
Yes, the NFL passes more than it ever has. HOWEVER, even the most dominating offenses still use the run to properly setup the play action and to create 2nd and 3rd and short.
When you can limit an offense to ONLY passing, you limit their playbook by not having to always honor the play action. When you shut down the run, you force most teams into a limited playbook.
IT Doesnt Matter If We Cant Even Get Interceptions Or Pass Rush, They Pick Us Apart
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Not a fan of bend/don't break defense
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of the BVG soft-zone, bend-don’t-break defense, but the argument was that our front line is weak – and the evidence just doesn’t hold up to that.
I agree with you
But they tend to play like that when they have a lead.
When playing from behind or in a tie, the Defense tends to play a tad stronger.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 3:00 AM EST up reply actions
Well it's easy to pass than run on any team
defending the pass is the hardest phase of the game
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
If sacks are overrated
then why do top DEs and LBs who sack the QB paid all of that money?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
Really?
I didn’t notice.
Unless you mean the sacks we wore over our heads when a Falcons defender had Ponder and let him go for a first down.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 2:57 AM EST up reply actions
The number 1 thing
The definition of a catch needs to be the same across the field, and across officiating teams.
I’m not saying that HD should’ve been given the catch today, though I think he should have, but if that were in the end zone, it would’ve been a catch. if it had been on the goal line and he had crossed into the end zone, it would’ve been a catch. But on the field by the sideline, that wasn’t a catch.
Same with the “defenseless receiver” rule. I’m still annoyed about the Eagles game for that one.
Just trying to be real about it...
The only team I can compare us too is the evil empire Green Bay…with 0 to no pass rush were exposed. The writings on the wall…that D line is atrouchis
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We were killing GB
Until MM decided to change what was successful. we have since 08 played to the level of our opponents…while I don’t think were pretenders, we are definitely not a tier 1 team. We’re in the upper echelon of the tier two teams.
by dirtybirds233 on Nov 27, 2011 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
4th and 13 and we give up a 49 yard td
Only highlight I’ve seen so far. We have to cut that shit out
by FLA_Falcon on Nov 27, 2011 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don't forget
Grimey was out of the game at that point. From the sideline shots, it looked like Franks missed his assignment.
What was Franks Biting on that play?
Did Franks and Owens trade Jerseys for this game.
I could have sworn Owens was the Goat in the secondary.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
That was one part Sanders fault
and many parts BVG and Smith’s fault for playing that zone and not blitzing
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Inconsistency, is the Falcons.
What is the problem? Why can’t we finish anyone off? I’m just tearing at my hair to figure this team out.
My take on this game :
Best play that no one saw – Tony G handling J Allen solo giving Ryan time to toss the deep bomb to White
Never giving up… Never giving in Award goes to #21 CO for catching Harvin
Roddy and Gonzo were clutch all day long
Spoon leading the Goal Line Stand at the end was classic
Quiz did his thing when a 1st was needed to seal the game
Falcons always at their best in the 4th quarter
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
why root for the raiders?
we win out we make the playoffs, that simple
*In Matt I Trust*
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Helps to have all other WC contenders lose. I can easily see this team slipping up against someone other than NO.
by Angry Rodent on Nov 27, 2011 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
i
can’t. because we rarely lose games we are supposed to win, and i think the only game we are underdogs against will be the saints. the texans, yeah they are good, but they are also down with injuries
*In Matt I Trust*
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by nj_falconfan on Nov 27, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
now the texans may have lost matt leinart too for the season
Can you say T.J. Yates or Kellen Clemens?
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 3:04 AM EST up reply actions
It'll be interesting to see how my psyche handles Chris Owens
I’ve honestly wanted him off the team for a full year now. Through the first half, it was more of the same with him;when he’s on the field, bad things happen. I’ll be damned if that wasn’t a great play he made tackling Harvin from out of nowhere on that return, which BTW kept 7 points off the board. Not sure how I’m going to think about him the next time he jogs into the game.
by NeedATicketToTheGame on Nov 27, 2011 4:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I 2nd that...
Hes a bum…great physique but no skill. Hes such a weakness..opposing teams love to see him out there. They know its gettin time when hes out there…hope hayden heals fast
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's only a bum
because BVG can’t put him in a good position with his crazy scheme, and Dunta can’t pick off more passes than he should.
I bet Owens is another Detroit Chris Houston, when/ifever he’s released to another team.
by brotherbrown on Nov 28, 2011 3:06 AM EST up reply actions
I love wins.
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by Duff_Man on Nov 27, 2011 4:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
haha thank you
finally a positive comment on this thread
What ABout Svitek Guys??
Jared Allen Had Absolutely No Sacks today right??? or did i miss one
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions
Very true
Sam Baker has officially lost his starting job.
I Kinda Feel bad for Baker
he has been there forever
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
You know who doesn't feel bad for Baker?
Matt Ryan. In fact, he doesn’t feel bad at all, because he’s no getting destroyed from his blind side anymore.
by VenomySnicket on Nov 27, 2011 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
One of the best surprises of the season
Svi had a great game, Allen was a total non-factor thanks to him. Just for pity’s sake don’t step on Matty’s ankle and scare the fool out of us anymore.
Svitek deserves
a hell of a lot of credit. he kept one of the most fiercest defensive ends basically a non factor in this game
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Baker slowly losing his job
if he hasnt already in the coaches eye’s
Glad we...
got the win and wasn’t able to see the game but judging from the difference between first and second half scores our usual “prevent” a loss team made its usual secong half appearence and let them back in the game instead of putting them away early??
Someone correct me if I am wrong…
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
game was only closer because a short punt took a bad hop and hit Franks in the rear and a missed call or assignment on 4th and 13
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
if you haven;t seen the game, but plan to watch it later
make sure you skip that 4 and forever conversion for a TD. it was horrible.
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Cool...
thanks for the heads up but I will watch every painfull minute…sigh
"I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl." - Joe Jacoby, formerly of the Redskins
"To win, I'd run over Joe's mom too." - Matt Millen, formerly of the Raiders
"We now have exactly the same situation as we had at the start of the race, only exactly the opposite" - Murray Walker, Sportscaster
Julio Jones No Catches??
WTH are we paying him For??
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:33 PM EST reply actions
For the love of GOD!
It was ONE DAMNED GAME. It happens.
But You Gotta Think
As Good As He is Some of the plays have to be designed for him to get the ball right//
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
Look at the early season
When they forced the ball to him, the offense was not clicking. When they readjusted to setting up the play action, they were getting the ball to more players and most importantly – WINNING.
He’ll be a factor in other games and he was already a factor in this one. He is already drawing double teams and thus, giving Douglas and White more one on one opportunities.
YOU are So RIGHT
You Got That One
by Trae FrankSinatra Starz on Nov 27, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
on the other hand
Roddy had back0to-back 100+ yd games!
and 10 catches.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
This ^
Until I watch the replay, I’m going to hold my opinions. I didn’t see how he was being played, or how he may have contributed by drawing coverage or blocking downfield. I know he got mentioned for one block, by the TV announcers. They occasionally catch something..
dude's a rookie coming off an injury
and only one ball thrown his way…..what were you expecting?
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
statistical observations
Ryan hit 7 receivers in this game, and JJ is NOT on the list. bad, bad game for Julio.
Turner had close to 60 yds by halftime (cannot confirm that yet), and he ended up with 60 for the game. he went backwards a lot in the second half. my standpoint – it appears Turner may have good yardage early, but contrary to common belief, he doesn’t necessarily add many more in the second half (unless it’s an inferior run D) because our playcalling makes it obvious we run him.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Tony G had 9 targets and 9 catches
JJ HD and Roddy in the game opens up single coverage for Gonzo
JJ is a great decoy – and toss a few deep to him to keep the D honest
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
His numbers drop when we get out of the no huddle
Teams can stack the box with that vanilla play calling…we all know where its going and when we dont dominate the line we get no yards…turner runs half speed into a wall of blubber. The no huddle keeps teams on their heels
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
The play calling out of the huddle to start the second half was atrocious. It wasn’t until we went back to the Texas offense that we started moving the ball again.
just
once i wish to come out of the half and run a playaction and take a shot downfield
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by nj_falconfan on Nov 27, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Burner had 49 in the 1st half
Vikings keyed on the run in 2nd half figuring Atlanta would run sitting on a big lead which was what happened
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
this is not the first game
that I see that – we’re ahead, the D knows we’re running on them, we run up the middle and out of the huddle. and get stuffed. when we run from a no huddle, so much better!
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Why is everyone hating on decoud?
he played great last year : ( I dont see anything different this year.
Because he is not having a good year
He has been getting beat pretty regularly in coverage. Especially earlier in the season.
Decoud
Like owens has become a liability. If hes left one on one more often than not hes giving up the big play. Sanders or someone needs to step in for him when Moore gets back. He does a whole lot of celebrating and brings a whole lot of nothing to the table
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree 100%. I say this every Sunday
by jgreedy on Nov 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt Ryan Has been freaking awesome recently!!
300+ yard back to back games, and today 263 yrd and 3 TD’s!! Best part no interceptions (I was getting a bit worried about that) I hope he can continue playing like that.
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Nov 27, 2011 4:40 PM EST reply actions
Matt Ryan
27/34, 262 yards and 3 TD’s. 2 of them were drops by the the receiver and that one “drop” by HD. he looks comfortable as hell right now, and he’s making smart throws, none were really passes that shouldn’t have been thrown, either a place for only his receiver to make a play or for no one to make a play.
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Is this Disney World?
Because it seems like the happiest place on Earth! Everybody has the right to their opinions and if you don’t agree with them let ‘em pass. Yes, we won and yes we’re 7-4. However games like the one in Seattle and this one, a home game, give some people pause. Vikings just aren’t that good. I lived in Minnesota for fifteen years and we always watch the Vikes. We don’t rep any of them anymore but they have an organization in turmoil. They’re not in the class of the Falcons.
Bottom line is the defense, as well as it’s playing (and they are playing well) can’t play well enough to overcome an offense that goes into a shell. NOBODY has better skill players on offense than Atlanta. I have always said that Matt Ryan is an elite QB and he looks like it…when he’s calling the plays. Harry Douglas has saved our asses the last two weeks.
Two of our losses (G.B. and N.O.) this team should have won. Yes those are two tough opponents but if we keep the offense going we win those games. You play to win the Super Bowl. We’ve got the players. Can they get coached up enough to win? It’s not the third quarter, it’s not the number 3. It’s focus and that falls on the coaches.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 4:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
it's easy to say we should've won some games
just like it’s easy to blame the refs for everything. But I know after a lot of our wins, the fans of the other team can also be saying that they should’ve won those games, too.
You missed the point
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think I am
I agree 100% with the first two paragraphs.
But the mentality of that last paragraph I don’t agree with just because I think it’s a big trap to get into. Falcons can make adjustments, as do the opposing team. I think we lost to GB not because our offense shut down, but because GB’s offense adjusted to our defense.
Well
" I think we lost to GB not because our offense shut down, but because GB’s offense adjusted to our defense"
How many points did we score after the 14-0 lead?
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't
And I think you made some good ones. The offensive lack of identity is killing this team. But you also have to question the defensive schemes at times, if not the personnel breakdowns. I know, Franks was pressed into service, but it was my sense that he was the missing link on that 4th-and-forever TD to Harvin. And how was that goat-raping, mush-brained, gutter-licking play allowed to happen? Having Lofton defending Harvin in the back of the endzone on that play is totally incomprehensible to me.
Agreed but ...
There’s something distinctive about this board versus the AJC boards et cetera. Some level of rational discussion, as opposed to visceral, poorly-constructed, reactive rants that miss the mark. We’ve always welcomed some level of inclusiveness, but I’ll be honest, some folks are taking the quality of the discussion down a notch.
man this is why the nfl is the best league, even the worst teams have a chance to win, no week is a 100% great teams find a way to win no matter what, thats what atl did doesnt matter who it was they got a W
This is an important point
I know “Any given Sunday” is a cliche, but it’s true. Tim Tebow looks like a cricket bowler the way he winds up for his throws, but he’s managed to get wins. With the exception of the Dolts, every team is capable of winning. Look at what Miami has pulled off.
The Falcons have not played a consistent game, but they’ve played winning football since the Tampa game. They aren’t the best team in the league, but they can hang with the best. And anything can happen in the playoffs.
best thing to do is chalk up that scare to boneheaded coaching (ultraconservative offense, soft zone defense like it was 2 mins to go and a 20 point lead instead of a 30 mins left with 17) and ALOT of young/inexperienced guys getting PT on defense.
So long as we get Grimes and Will Mo back for the Houston game, I dont think we’ll see any more 4th and longs going for TDs.
the positives from this game I think are MUCH more indicative of what we can expect going forward…Spoon is an absolute monster, Roddy is starting to get that business-like demeanor back, Matt is as confident and smart with the ball as he’s ever been, Turner’s looking fresher than he ever has at this point, with great help from Quizz and Snelling, and Svitek just shut down YET ANOTHER one of the league’s premier pass rushers.
oh, and post-season-wise, we now sit as a six seed, and a W in houston next week should more or less guarantee us a playoff spot with a division showdown still to come against new orleans
by throw it down the fugging field matt on Nov 27, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions
All we have to do is get in. We still have a shot at getting a playoff game in the Dome. I understand that the game was not perfect, but the negativity is a bit much. If you want to compare someone to GB you will not be able to. They’ve won 17 in a row and are playing some of the best football in the history of the league. And for all the talk about how we play down to the level of our opponent, it is still a fact that Smith has not lost a game to a team that finished sub 500 since he’s been here. We win the ones we are supposed to. You can take away negatives, and you should, but we have won 5 of the last 6 and could have easily won the NO game. We are peaking at the right time guys, let’s enjoy the albeit ugly win!
by Courtney Hunter on Nov 27, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
For crying out loud Green Bay isn't unbeatable
but you’re playing to get a chance to get revenge against them and win the Super Bowl. If that’s not the friggin’ goal then quit!
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Clarification:
“it is still a fact that Smith has not lost a game to a team that finished sub 500 since he’s been here. "
Pretty sure that’s going to change this year. The Bucs are 4-7. They’d have to win out to get a winning record, and that includes a game against us. At home.
you say that like its a lock the Bucs are goin to have a winning record
Id put our ability to win games we are supposed to alot higher than the Bucs trying to save face to get a winning record. We will be fine against the Bucs
btw I thought that Svitek had taken Baker's job
back in the Detroit game. Baker should move back to where most scouts had him; on the inside. Hawley’s struggling, for the future move Baker there.
A word to the wise ain't necessary - it's the stupid ones that need the advice.
Good WIn
I think they just went into cruise controll to early and the touchdown by harvin was a scheme problem that can be fixed, also matt leinart is out for the year we playing tj yates. But matty was sharp and on point, i think the offense stalled in the third cause of some way to conesrvative play calling by MM. In the end aslong as ryan is balling like this, roddy 120 yrds, julio wasnt 100% but a great decoy were still good
MY OPINION
We have a good, what we don’t have is good coaches. We jump out 17-0 and we came out trying to sit on da ball. OUR COACHES LACKS DA KILLER INSTINCT. U MUST BE FEARLESS TO WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS
by jgreedy on Nov 27, 2011 4:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Agree
they go into “what if” mode. if it were up to matty the game would of been 24-0 by the third but hopefully our coaches smarten up
They couldn’t stop our no huddle at no point in da game. Our coaches slowed us down not da vikings
by jgreedy on Nov 27, 2011 5:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
NEW FAN
Excuse me my falcon brothers but i will be cheering for da Giants tomorrow night
by jgreedy on Nov 27, 2011 5:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You already know, and i have the giants in my picks lol a win next week vs tj yates aint lose tomorrow and were first i think
Still play on the field don't they?
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry not for you
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well if da saint lose we will be behind via tie breaker because they beat us heads up. But da saints got to play da gaints, da lions and Us(Falcons)
by jgreedy on Nov 27, 2011 5:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Giants, Lions no match for Saints
us or nobody.
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
idk....
Any idea what needs to happen for the ’aints to miss out on the playoffs?
Hey jgreedy,
Glad to have you join us. Will be rooting for the Giants as well. Yes, I agree we have a good team. Agree with you about the killer instinct.
Evil Falcon
by falconplanet on Nov 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Glad we got the W
Pass rush looked better-than-average and I think it’s fair to say that Matty has emerged from his little slump. Hope MM looks Palmer’s way a bit more going forward. All in all, despite all the struggles this year, it always seems like we have a playmaker step up when it’s needed. And you really can’t hate on that.
Agreed. That’s what it’s all about: THE W!!!
Evil Falcon
by falconplanet on Nov 28, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Matt Leinart injured his throwing shoulder today
I wonder if he is gonna play next week vs our Falcons?
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Nov 27, 2011 5:22 PM EST reply actions
I wonder
If it’s a bit of a fake… I didn’t see the game, but it was described as a head injury, then he had a sling. Make’s you wonder…
What would be the point of faking
and putting your third string guy in knowing that if you put Yates in Leinart by rule can’t return?
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he is going to bust a "Paul Pierce" (See game 1 of 2008 NBA Finals)
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Nov 27, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Brotha' not that old
I get the reference
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha I don't think your old,
I just added it there for others who might have read my comment, but did not know what i was talking about.
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Nov 27, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
They may be faking...
for us. Maybe they felt in control of the game, felt they could win with Yates, and are playing coy with the injury list ‘cuz they know they’ll have a test with us.
Ooops
Meant to reply to FrozenFinger, above. Must be the result of too much celebratory drinking from another Falcon blowout.
It was at end of first half and Falcons
will prep for Matt until he’s definitely out.
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
And you're probably right
The Falcons will prep for ML because they are also aware that Texans could play mind games with the injury list. After all, I think we’re famous for it, aren’t we?
Famous? They should build a memorial to how we do it.
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Leinart broke his collarbone. Out for the year. Facing a rookie next week boys, let the good times roll!
by Courtney Hunter on Nov 27, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions
Don't toy with me!
I’m no mans bitch. Is this true?
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Read on ESPN just now that he may be done for the year
Gary Kubiak said thew X-rays taken on Leinarrt were “inconclusive”. Leinart himself said he might not return this season.
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Nov 27, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Guess I'm Courtney's bitch!
Worried about that game all year
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
He said that Leinart was out for year
and I said that if that was true…
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
What a huge break...
I hate to wish an injury, even on Falcon opponents (although, I have to admit in my heart of hearts, I have strayed). I really liked Matt Schaub and felt he was our QB of the future, after Vick reached his almost-inevitable fail, or injury. Alas, we traded Matt before the fail (I have no emotional tie to Leinart). It’s a shame.
Hey nobody cries for us
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
"We obviously made some mistakes that we have to address"
And HOW many times have we heard Coach Smith say this this year? Honestly, if you haven’t fixed it by game 11, you probably are not going to be able to fix it. That means one of two things, either the coaches are not doing their job, or the players are not capable of correcting the mistakes. My vote goes to “coaches not doing the job”.
Careful
people waiting to bite your head off for that. I however agree, but happy with win, but…
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
And I don't entirely agree...
I definately agree that it’s more than time to fix the obvious errors. But I think both sides deserve the blame (as is so characteristic of every devisive issue in our human hisory), The coaching staff may deserve blame for its failure in channeling Owen’s obvious talents, or Owens may be to blame for being too dense and obtuse to absorb the lessons. I suspect it would come down to who you ask.
Coaches are part of it, but I have to trust Blank and TD to make the really tough decisions. I’m not there and they are.
just sayin
pessimism right after a win? I can understand noting some negatives, but look at the eagles fans……always negative and ain’t won jack. They won’t even make noise while the patriots were on offense and allowed Tom Brady a home field.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Watching a stream of the Bears game broadcast in Europe. That’s what they reported. OUT FOR THE YEAR.
by Courtney Hunter on Nov 27, 2011 5:40 PM EST reply actions
Like I said I'm your bitch
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
LOL, we’ve been getting pretty lucky with injuries. I see the Giants folding up after losing tomorrow night. The Lions only have one “easy” win left, and Suh will most likely be out for two games. If we win next Sunday, and we should, I think ten wins will get us in. With that being said, as long as we keep getting better I really think we have a real shot at running the table. I’m looking at you Mr. Brees. Oh yeah, Bears qb looks like shit and they are down at the half. GO RAIDERS!!
by Courtney Hunter on Nov 27, 2011 5:48 PM EST reply actions
Great win
And taking a step back to recap, we were really one special teams play away from it being a 3 score game.
One thing that really concerns me however is Matt’s inaccuracy on deep passes downfield. We really need him to connect on those if we were to get into the postseason.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 27, 2011 5:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
to be fair
one should’ve been caught, but JJ dropped it (and had a stupid penalty)
And RW could’ve caught the deep one to him that he just barely dropped
Very true.
At the stadium it just felt as though atleast one should have connected.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 27, 2011 6:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt throws a beautiful deep ball
but when thrown towards the sideline it tails. Patterns more along the hash marks are better but they allow Ss to get over often. If we actually ran complimentary patterns it’d be better but you got a better chance of getting free food at a Chinese restuarant than we do of MM adjusting the offense. Though the Falcons did run two butt ugly screens today.
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
15-7 Raiders over the Bears. Davis’ boys are gonna Janikowski them to death.
by Courtney Hunter on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions
Missed that TD at the end of the first half
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Watching the Patriots beat up on the Santa Haters
I don’t really buy Welker as one of the best WR’s in the league. He’s their version of HD, I think, in that ideally schemes would either have him matched up on a linebacker or open. Then again, teams do tend to leave a little bit of safety hlep for him.
Welker REAL deal
Got a chance to see him a lot in Miami where he mostly returned punts. He can ball, great player! They try and get the ball to him. This is probably Harry’s last season with us and some team will use him properly.
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by FrozenFinger on Nov 27, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
we're starting to use HD properly
I see that he’s a great player, but he’s facing the defenses that a TE would face normally. as in a LB, maybe a safety over top
Bout damn time
I been saying that. MM needs to be fired. HD has been this explosive since his rookie season and there just now using him. smh.
Anyone know...
If matt is still undefeated when his passer rating is 100 or better?
by djnekkid8 on Nov 27, 2011 6:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
im kinda tired of you hating whiners.
Every week I see someone running their and then talk about our problems as a team as if we’re 2 and 9. I’m sorry last I check we’re number 2 in our division with sinkable games the rest of the season. First you point out we have no pass rush but we get 4 sacks. Then its our pass defense sucks but we only let 1 passing touchdown and held a team to 14 points again. So really what makes you haters happy? In the words of Herman Edwards “you play to win the game!” Who really cares if we let them score as long as we have more points than they do at the end. Here’s a fact we won 5 of our last 6 and probably should’ve been 6 for 6. I’m proud of my Falcons and I feel sorry for those who watch just to criticize do something else with your Sunday’s then. Or just sit down shut up have a beer and watch us win.
by SquallCloud on Nov 27, 2011 7:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
^^^THIS^^^
I would rec if my phone would allow it.
Sense Smittys been running this we have blown away how many teams? Handful at best. Not our style. What is our style is good hard fought games right up to the last whistle. We never quit and never give up. Ever. Name a game (not counting greenbay in the playoffs) where we through in the towel early on cause we were sucking so bad. Ill wait on that
Sure matty isnt elite yet but holy shit look what he did the past 3 games? A nearly perfect game today only dropping 6 most of which were not his fault. We are playing some really tough disciplined (for the most part) football.
So quit hating. And quit comparing…last i checked our team resides in atlanta…not new england or new orleans or wherever. We are coached by smitty not someone else. Problems are there yes..but doomsday no.
Either love our team and respect what we are trying to accomplish or dont and leave for say the colts or the vikings. Plenty of hate can be spread there.
As a believer ill stand by my beloved team ive loved sense i was 9 through thick and thin because thats what i believe a true fan does.
by djnekkid8 on Nov 27, 2011 7:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
So true....but awkward
I am the first to jump and cheer when we do something good, and also the first to get mad when something goes wrong. Check the comments, everyone cheers and boos the good and bad. The bad just gets more detail then the good. There is only so much you can write after HOORAY!!!
SquallCloud,
Well said, my friend. I agree with your statement. It seems to me that some folks are never satisfied with anything. Even with a win, there’s the bitching and moaning. They have a right to say what they want. I watch the same game everyone else does, and all I want is a W for the Falcons. Don’t care how they do it, just win the game. Yes, I’m frustrated at the team as well, but we must be pretty good to win these games the way we are, in past years, before 2008, we’d lose games like this. This is a great time for us Falcons fans, love to be in this position every year, in the thick of the playoff chase…
Evil Falcon
by falconplanet on Nov 28, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
I STILL
almost throw up on every first down, I know whatr is coming.
Denver vs San Diego in OT
Why does the song “All I do is win” come to mind when I see Tebow play?
Bears go down. They could lose to just about anybody with that qb. GO BIRDS!
by Courtney Hunter on Nov 27, 2011 7:43 PM EST reply actions
Owens Harvins Facemask
went back and looked at the impressive Owens tackle on Harvins and it looks like Harvins had Owens by the facemask. The refs were all behind the action so they could not see it. All the more impressive a stop by Owens and the Falcons.
Looking good
Bears lost! Detroit is in trouble! Texans are on 3rd string QB now. Boys tell me the football gods love us! We just have to keep keeping it on!
WE ARE IN THE PLAYOFFS
by Sbaron55 on Nov 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No Huddle
We don’t run the no-huddle all the time because Smitty views it as an in-game tactic, not a full-time alternative to Mike Mularkey. After this season ends, I’d like to see a different offensive coordinator brought in to be more of an assistant to Ryan than a play-caller. I don’t think Matt has the physical talent of Brady or Manning (though I wouldn’t rule out Ryan getting stronger when he gets his man strength), but he has a very high football IQ. It’s hard to teach IQ, so we need to take full advantage of the gifts Ryan has.
by Thrashy Thrashy on Nov 27, 2011 9:17 PM EST reply actions
If any of you believe in "Any given Sunday"
then these close games shouldn’t surprise you that much. Look at a team like the Vikings with 2 wins. Their team, in my opinion, is a bit better than their record. They have a rookie who is learning the ropes and is rather athletic. He can make good throws, but he still makes really dopey throws sometimes.
Should we expect better? Sure, I, along with many of you, feel the team should play better in certain areas. However, even in looking pretty bad at times, we’re still winning. We’re still getting it done.
My only real qualm with this game was that it seemed like we abandoned the run in the second half and, as a result, started to play poorly.
The long Harvin TD on 4th down, yeah, I was furious about it at the time, and I’m sure everyone and their mother was complaining about Lofton covering Harvin deep, but don’t take away 1) It was a good throw 2) It was a pretty good catch and 3) Lofton was not burned on the play, he was in position to make the play. While I can’t say I agree with having him cover deep middle, I can’t say it was a stupid idea, because as I said, he was in position to make the play, it just went in their favor. The other team makes plays, too, unfortunately.
Seems like we always give up really, really dumb plays like that, but what can ya do.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 27, 2011 9:34 PM EST reply actions
that 4th down throw
was blown safety coverage. (Sanders looking in the backfield)
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
Perhaps
the way Lofton was covering, it looked like he had deep middle, which is odd.
He was running towards the end zone 20 yards ahead of Harvin, something I find uncharacteristic of someone who never plays deep, unless he was told to go deep.
It’s possible, but if I remember the replays right, Sanders had intermediate middle for his zone. I’d have to break down the play exactly to know for sure.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Or looked to have had intermediate middle, rather
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 28, 2011 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
Unless Smitty said that himself, which he might have. I haven't looked at the pressers yet.
I just find it hard to believe that Harvin wouldn’t be accounted for by Sanders unless he wasn’t supposed to account for him unless he went to a certain area, combined with an almost-prediction-of-the-future by Lofton who would’ve seen Sanders’s mental mistake and tried to make up for it himself, which is another oddity since he’s an MLB and not exactly a track star.
Just my two cents there, though I will say that it’s certainly plausible.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 28, 2011 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
i just
looked at the eagles board, and someone wants MM as their HC/OC next year, that’s my wish for christmas
*In Matt I Trust*
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/9455/grimessig.jpg
do you have a link?
I want to see what they have to say about him
by Mattyice318 on Nov 27, 2011 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
here
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/11/27/2590650/eagles-embarassed-38-20-by-patriots#comments
*In Matt I Trust*
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by nj_falconfan on Nov 27, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just amazed by that. and them calling the Falcons "balanced"
grass is always greener?
We are somewhat balanced when we want to be.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 27, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Owens deserves some serious props for that tackle
Game ball can’t go to anyone but Spoon. Also, as of today I am ordering a spoon jersey because he is too badass to not have sold some more.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Nov 27, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions
Are they online?
I’m going to get one too, but i couldn’t find one anywhere
by Mattyice318 on Nov 27, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
If u go to NFL.com u can order a customized jersey
Just make sure u type Spoon’s name and # in right!
by aces666high on Nov 27, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Spoooooooooooon 56
Confidence is contagious. So is lack of confidence.
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by armchair quarterback on Nov 27, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hoping I could get a less expensive one, but thanks!!
by Mattyice318 on Nov 27, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
They are pretty pricey
I think they start at $109 but I’m saving up for the middle of the pack one at $150. As for the $300 ones, I guess one can dream.
by aces666high on Nov 28, 2011 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Positives
Ryan has been money the past 3 games.
The only time i heard Jared Allens name was about his long snapping abilities.
Spoon enough said.
Only thing bad I have to say is when we have a lead we play to not lose the game, instead of keep trying to win it. Prevent prevents you from winning. When we get teams in 3rd and 4th and long thats when we should be forcing mistakes, sacks, picks, etc. Crazy how we allow teams to convert.
but hey one win closer to the playoffs, ill take it
By my estimation
This game was nearly pooched on two special teams play. The muffed punt and the kick return. Outside of that, it was pretty solid, especially on defense.
Special teams have such a small sample size per game, but those two plays basically made it a close game. And next week they could be perfect.
End of the day...
Ive vented ive ranted…read about how I dont observe the team with some sort of philisophical explanation for our weakness such as the scheme or skewed statistics pieced from this game that game where weve excelled blah blah I can agree with those who says its the scheme in partial but at some point we have to consider personel and talent. If you dont got it you dont got it…I really hope something or someone flips the switch to kick it up to a higher level.
by Bigru3 on Nov 27, 2011 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Let me get this straight
Were at home, against a rookie QB, and their best player is out. One of our best play makers is back and there starting CBs are out and we only won by 10 points? This is getting annoying. Im tired of hearing Dave say winning is winning or by any means necessary. A win is a win but this is not looking promising. If we cant finish off teams like MInn and Sea how in the hell are we going to beat GB, NO, DAL, or NYG. If we barely beat Hou next week Smitty needs to really start looking at a replacement OC.
If u watched da game then u will see it was our coaches preventing us from blowing this team out. They couldn’t stop our no huddle. We scored when we needed to. Next time i hope we keep our foot on da gas
by jgreedy on Nov 28, 2011 12:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I kinda agree with you.
I felt like….when we needed something to happen, we made it happen. Plus, Minn had nothing to lose, and some of their gambles paid off ie. Harvin’s 4th down touchdown. I’m not too worried.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 28, 2011 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
Thats right. They gambled twice in dis game. One paid off (4th &13) and one didnt (4th & goal).
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