This Falcons-Saints Postgame Thread Is Blah
by Dave Choate on Nov 13, 2011 4:10 PM EST
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That's no way to lose a football game.
The Falcons shot themselves in the foot all day. You can point to the lame refs, good performances by the Saints and the position of the stars, but ultimately, the Falcons did a lot of it to themselves. They were undisciplined and played poorly, with Harry Douglas and Roddy White dropping passes, the defense leaving guys wide open on multiple occasions and some baffling decision-making by Eric Weems.
It isn't going to get the job done against a team as good as the Saints, especially if you're getting nailed with ticky tack penalties all day long. They did exceptional things to get to halftime, which should be noted. But in the end, a lack of execution and poor play calling did them in again.
The Falcons are now 5-4 and a full game behind the Saints in the race for the NFC South, and will have to beat them at home now to really stand a chance of catching up. It's not insurmountable, but it's another blow to the Falcons in a wildly inconsistent season.
Discuss the game and the slate of late games here. Plenty of anguished recaps tomorrow, I assure you.
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*#&$ New Orleans
your coach is a cripple addicted to vicodin. Your OL never gets called for holding (when it’s literally right in front of the officials), yet your addict coach still tries to milk the officials.
The falcons didn’t shoot themselves in the foot. MM shot the falcons in the foot.
It's easy to take it out on Payton
But frankly, I have a lot more anger toward the way the coaching staff for the Falcons handled this game, and for the Falcons making all those mistakes in execution.
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Yeah, Falcons Coaching staff was really the problem today
and I’m not just talking about that 4th Down call.
I'm taking it out on the fact that he basically gets lofted onto a pedestal carried by humans
Did the coaching staff fail the falcons this game? some, yes. but two weeks from now the story won’t be running with 23 seconds left, it won’t be the highly questionable calls, or dropped passes by the falcons, or the low snap.
The story everyone will be told is that Payton and Breesus played that “dirty” team the Falcons and win in OT, and gosh darn it, aren’t they just wonderful examples to us all?
Preaching to the choir with the hating Saints thing
I think this would be one of the more concentrated sites for Saints hate, but it has to be said we didn’t deserve to win that game in any way.
But yes, Payton begging for a flag to the ref was just sad.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Nov 13, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
plain and simple
we did not deserve to win. Aints’ or no Aints’
If I am not addicted to pain, then why am I a fan of Atlanta sports?
by da fatchick thrilla on Nov 13, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
we did not deserve to win, yes
but the Falcons didn’t start swinging until the last 8 minutes of regulation, and played like idiots in OT.
People tend to like cripples addicted to Vicodin
I mean, I know of at least one who is really popular.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
Asymptomatic pareatesis coupled with high blood pressure and angular metatarsals?
Give him an IV drip of cranberry juice and a bag of cheetos. Should do the trick.
by James Rael on Nov 13, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
wtf
Thats right. Run it straight into da pile of defender
by jgreedy on Nov 13, 2011 4:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The pile was already there before Turner got there and he thought he could go threw it? Why not fucking try to jump at least.
by thatonedudem on Nov 13, 2011 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Roddy is included in the "Ugly" part of the recaps
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Roddy deserves his own section below Ugly.
by KMarch on Nov 13, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
he has really disappointed me this season as a whole…
by AlexanderTheFalcoholic on Nov 14, 2011 7:01 AM EST up reply actions
My head really hurts
If I am not addicted to pain, then why am I a fan of Atlanta sports?
by da fatchick thrilla on Nov 13, 2011 4:41 PM EST reply actions
Going for it was the right call, just should of gone the sneak
The fact we didn’t run once in OT is a disgrace. It’s like they got caught in 2 minute mode. Still, Matt Ryan played his heart out, Harry Douglas was a revelation, the linebackers looked good as always (apart from Nicholas breaking coverage a couple times) and Bosher was phenomenal, couldn’t ask more from a punter.
Let down by too many costly drops and a fudnamental lack of understanding of when to use the run. 0:23, 0 time outs. No. 1st and 10, 2nd and 2, 3rd and 2 in OT? Yes.
We didn’t get out coached on a scheme or strategy level, we just coached poorly.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Nov 13, 2011 4:42 PM EST reply actions
Or God forbid you try to spread it out on a 4th down
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- Tommy Beam
It should of just been a QB Sneak
Don’t have numbers but I know we’ve converted at least 3 this year.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Nov 13, 2011 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
...out of a five-wide set.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I agree or a hard count and punt
Sometimes you have to trust your D. No matter how good the opposing offense is.
I hate New Orleans!!
I hate their Cajun cuisine, I hate their Mardi Gras, I hate their Jazz, I hate their alligators, most of all I hate the ’Aints!!
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Nov 13, 2011 4:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Feelings, mutual.....
except Atlanta doesn’t even have anything worth the trouble to hate, except the sports teams.
but you love the city full of thugs and criminals
unreported to the press at least 1500 vehicle break-ins per georgia dome per event.
To be fair, all of those were me
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by Dave Choate on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
haha
New Orleans is the a$$hole of America. The whole city is like a convenience store restroom. Please don’t even begin to compare NO and Atlanta… you’ll lose that one every time.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Comparing cities, period, is a bad idea
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by Dave Choate on Nov 13, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont like MM either but matty ice deep ball is horrible
by jgreedy on Nov 13, 2011 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Atlanta sports
YOU are the reason I drink!
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
by Bronn on Nov 13, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
If the NBA lockout never happened
We’d have to put up with the Hawk’s usual shinanigans and Smith jumpers, and that’s like 3X more frustrating than the crap we’re watching now
If I am not addicted to pain, then why am I a fan of Atlanta sports?
by da fatchick thrilla on Nov 13, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
I'd put up with that just to be able to watch some basketball
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
I can agree with you there
If I am not addicted to pain, then why am I a fan of Atlanta sports?
by da fatchick thrilla on Nov 13, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
has nothing to do with atlanta spots... so anti rec this one
don’t be pessimistic…. it was just the offensive coordinator, ultimately, roddy whtie, second, and thats how it is. season is not lost… no blame “atlanta sports”
One day....
Disagree Completely
It wasn’t a statement directed at this game it was a generality. Did you not see the Braves this yr? And the falcons this yr? And the Hawks every year. Re rec that statment
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
nothing to do with Atlanta, Atlanta's sports history
get over it, it was about those 4 quarters, and the coaches
One day....
I'm confused what your getting at?
Yea the history of Atlanta sports isn’t why we lost I agree. I was agreeing with his statement in the sense as a whole Atlanta sports are very frustrating and yes the Atlanta Falcons do fall into that category. You can’t tell me as a franchise the falcons aren’t frustrating.
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
amen, and rec'd
the topic of Atlanta sports misery keeps me up at night
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
That's damned right.
The past two and a half years have been especially frustrating.
My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.
by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT
worst call ever
U run the qb sneak! Killed our season with one stupid playcall! Beyond oases at our coaching
by ocfalcon on Nov 13, 2011 4:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Killed our season?
10 wins will get us a wildcard spot, so we need 5 more. Don’t throw the baby out.
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by Turner_The_Burner on Nov 13, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
10 wins wont get it this year. The bears are going to take the second wild card. Beyond disappointed right now
by ocfalcon on Nov 13, 2011 4:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah 10-6 will get you left out ask TB
Yeah we need to basically run the table to feel good about a playoff spot(which I highly doubt)
Roddy White
Is probably the most disappointing player in the whole league for me. That int was all on him and then he gets a chance to win it and can’t come down with a tough but catchable ball. He was our saviour many times last year but can’t seem to make the big plays this year.
I have resisted the whole pile on Roddy thing thus far this year
but no longer. I don’t know where his head is anymore. It started early with a Personal Foul and it continued all day long. Roddy might need to be benched when JJ gets healthy.
and no I don't mean permanently benched
but just remove him from starting duties until he proves something. He’s costing this team too much right now.
That's just it
Bringing in Julio he isn’t the explosive guy anymore he hasn’t excepted that and if he doesn’t than he needs to be gone.
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha
Post Game thread after a horseshit loss to the saints, it happens lol
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
I could’ve called that game better just using madden plays. Always sneak the ball when it’s inches away it’s basically a first down Cheat code
by superfalcon on Nov 13, 2011 4:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
If you'd like to endure video of that fourth down stop:
I am proud to be a Kennesaw State Fighting Owl. -- Vince Dooley
Whoa
That had no chance in hell.
If I am not addicted to pain, then why am I a fan of Atlanta sports?
by da fatchick thrilla on Nov 13, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions
There was no chance as soon as it was snapped. We were outmanned.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
im still mad
Turner got 1 carry in OT. i know the hurry up was working but why not go back to running it
Does anyone think that this shows anything but that
the Falcons and Saints are well matched, aggressive teams? That there is a fart’s worth of difference between the two?
Yes, the play calling on offense was bizarre.
Yes, the DL got no pressure on Brees.
But I’ll take a bet that we beat them in the Superdome.
Calming down a bit.
I can take solace in knowing we’re a better team then them. We had so many mental (blown coverage on Graham for TD) and missed opportunities (Roddy’s drop and Missed FG by Bryant) that we put them in a place to win. I’m as mad as all of you, but we outplayed those guys. Period.
I strongly disagree
not even mentioning that it’s the score that counts.
they could be blaming their mental lapses for allowing us to drive over 80 yds under 2 mins in the regulation. the only good thing I could see was this – our team showed some spirit. it’s playcalling that killed us again.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
How
We killed them offensively. We put ourselves in great position to win in the 2nd half. Roddy dropped a TD. TG dropped a ball inside the 5. HD dropped a crucial 1st down in regulation. Cox had the first down. We were in GREAT position to win the ballgame. And their defense is awful. It’s been that way all year for them. Nothing mental.
And the score counts in deciding who's better?
I don’t think anybody here would say that Tampa is a better team than us, yet we suffered a L to them.
I understand your point
but it wasn’t a “who was the better team” contest, but a “who was the worse team” type thing.
I’m sure the aints fans (and the majority of talking heads) will say the aints were the better team – I know they sucked today as bad as we did, but “good” and “bad” are very subjective terms.
we can say we are a better team any way we want, but if we don’t catch them down the road and miss the postseason, nobody will care if we were a better team or not.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
it feels a lot like
the first NO-ATL game last season in NO. the game went back and forth, and then we won in OT after an epic fail by the aints. this time we had the fortunes reversed.
this game doesn’t decide the season, but we have no margin of error remaining. a win @NO is now a must, and even then we may fall behind them in common opponent tibreaker…
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Taking something that worked and utilizing it?
Were talking about Smith and MM
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Falcons dropped 2 TDs today
JJ dropped one early. Yes, it would have been a hard catch, but it went right through his hands.
Roddy dropped one at the end of Regulation. This was the more inexcusable one considering it was a slant and hit him in the facemask.
Don't forget the "interception"
I don’t care if it was a few inches behind him, it hit him in his fucking hands.
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MS has no faith in the D
Onside kick AND going for it on your own 30. I wonder if it’ll cause players to lose (more) faith in coaches.
I'm not sure ...
You can only hand the ball to Brees so many times. It’s bound to bite you sooner or later.
Just came by to say good game not trolling
See ya at the end of the year in our doom
I watch gone with the wind atleast once a month just to fast forward to the part where they burn Atlanta
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 13, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions
We'll see you then
Hoping for a different outcome.
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I hope you're right
in that when we meet you at the end of the year it will be your doom
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Ha ha
just realized what I typed
I watch gone with the wind atleast once a month just to fast forward to the part where they burn Atlanta
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 13, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
a Saints fan who isn't a complete a$$hole
That’s kind of refreshing
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Saints played a good football game and the Falcons played a terrible one
I do truly believe if the Falcons had played a mistake-free game, they would have walked away with this one, but they didn’t. That’s the way it goes.
Only one truly hard game left, in the form of the Saints away game. 10-6 might get it done. Time to start picking ourselves up.
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Oh, good point
I’m going to go curl up in a ball now.
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If we played mistake free football...
We would have destroyed them. Obviously that’s to much to expect but even if we could have cut the drops in half and idk not run the ball with 20 seconds into the half or ran turner on 4th and 1 in ot we still would have one there were definitely some positives.
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think that's the takeaway
I don’t know if this team can stop making mistakes or not. If they do, though…
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That's all on the HC though
We have the personal to be great, we really do.
by Falconzfan284 on Nov 13, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I agree
But I don’t want to give these guys a free pass, either. Lot of mistakes made today.
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Saints played a good football game and the Falcons played a terrible one
Agree and disagree with you on that Dave. Both offenses made a ton of mistakes. We were terrible on 3rd down today. And quite a few drops. We were very fortunate to come out with the win. It sure surprised me. You guys need to fire Mularkey.
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Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
are you kidding?
You guys need to fire Mularkey.
that’s what we’ve been saying for a looooong time…
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
the major problem is the Falcons are showing their propensity to play mistake filled games.
So many more mistakes it seems than last season. Frustrating.
Roddy White!?
What is it with this cat? Every week he shows a huge lack of disapline with his penalties and lack of focus with drop balls. I love his skill set and last year he was phenominal but he needs to be a leader and all hes doing this year is killing us with his b.s penalties…he needs to get yanked out the game and chewed out for these things on the spot…no exceptions. Hes got a big mouth and hes not backing it up. Over all we beat ourselves today and this reoccuring lack of focus has got to stop…Smittys gotta crack the whip and hold these dudes accountable
by Bigru3 on Nov 13, 2011 5:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I know we made mistakes
But for the rcord, Cox had that first down. He lost control after he was extended beyond the marker.
And Matt had a good game
He overthrew a couple passes but by and far he was let down by his receivers
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Roddy's deal
could be that he also had no offseason with the team.
Last year was the first year he had a full offseason to work with Matt, and he was a juggernaut.
This year, he has nothing, and he’s been a fail.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:07 PM EST reply actions
not buying that anymore
First off, if that’s the case Roddy’s still to blame for not showing up to the majority of those workouts. Look, I love Roddy as much as anyone, I have his damn jersey. But we’re 9 games in and that’s not an excuse any longer.
I hear yuh...
I def agree but the rest of the league went through that too so he doesnt get a free ride imo…and the penalties really are redic…seems like every week hes getting a late hit or unsportsman…even false starts…really roddy? False starts? Smh
by Bigru3 on Nov 13, 2011 5:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This was a great game guys
From reading your thread I see fans of both teams are angry at the refs
but that’s because our games are always close
You’ll have a chance at revenge in the Superdome later this year
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
Where the hell are all the decent Saints fans coming from?
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Hahaha we've always been here
but just like we remember the bad things more than the good, you guys
(and ourselves) always remember the trolls
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Nov 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Haha yeah
I pay too much attention to the ESPN comment sections sometimes.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
so um, yeah.
I probably said one or two things about louisana/New Orleans that were in appropriate. rough football weekend/week for me.
HA ha ha
I’ve been known for that about Atlanta in tough games
By the way my tag line was only for this game
I watch gone with the wind atleast once a month just to fast forward to the part where they burn Atlanta
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 13, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Be nice
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Emotions running high right now
I hear you, man. See you tomorrow.
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this guy's pretty much a dick. c'est la vie.
Internet tough guys are alway amusing
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Really I dont believe you can point out 1 post that i have wrote that could be taken as a serious insult to atlanta or the falcons or their fans
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I dunno, something about being amused by my city being burned down is kind of insulting
Either way though, why don’t you go discuss it on a Saints board somewhere?
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wow kinda touchy there
It is a joke
If something that happened 150years ago bothers you then you have bigger problem then the Falcons losing
By the way my family history is from geogia my grandparents moved from there when my mother was 5 in 1933
My family was there when it happened and I would guess yours wasnt
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 14, 2011 7:43 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, fascinating
You should totally go to a Saints board and talk about it over there, don’t you think?
by cheshire falcon on Nov 14, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
This is what a rivalry is all about....
At the end of the day, we’re all the same. My best man has lived in Atlanta for the last 15 years. Some of my best customers live there now as well. Yet, when we meet on the field, I hate you guys.
And we all knew going into today’s game that one side was going to be pissed. Just glad its not us this time. Remember, we felt the same way a year ago when Garrett Hartley missed that chip shot, end of game, go home FG.
Didn’t think either side played their best today. Agreed, the Saints defense is HORRENDOUS. Still don’t understand how Harry Douglas gets so wide open three times in a row in the last two minutes from your own six. But I thought you guys should have kicked deep instead of the onsides kick.
Oh, and Cox DID lose possession before the ball crossed the 30. There was one angle from that sideline that showed it clearly. And, in the fourth quarter and overtime, a fumble out of bounds is spotted where the player lost possession.
Good comment, thanks
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I know it sounds as herecy
but how would you feel if they … bench Roddy? I’m confident it won’t happen, but for the sake of mental excersise… that kind of punishment could help in fixing his play, especially those penalties.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
If Julio could stay healthy and if Roddy keeps acting like an ass
it wouldn’t bother me
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Im for it...
I think he should be held accountable…i dunno what the,punishment should be but he cant just get a free ride every time. Hes a all pro vet…he needs to show some maturity
by Bigru3 on Nov 13, 2011 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's hard for me to take this team seriously as a playoff team at this point
They seem like a team that will likely either barely miss the playoffs, or get in and be one and done. I say that for two reasons.
First off, today was the first time I truly started questioning the competence of our coaching staff. And I don’t mean MM, who I think any knowledgeable football fan has to acknowledge is a complete disaster. But really the entire thing from top to bottom, including Mike Smith. I love Smith, I still believe in him, but I’ve just seen too much at this point not to be concerned about this particular staff’s ability to get the job done. You were facing a defense that is SOOOO easy to exploit (ESPECIALLY in the red zone), and despite all the offensive weapons you have, they held you to one field goal after another. That has to disturb you as a Falcons fan
Second, it’s one thing to lose to an elite team like Green Bay at home, but it’s another to lose to a team like the Saints. The Saints are a very good, above average team who I think is slightly ahead of us… but they are NOT an elite team. They have an amazing QB, some nice pieces on offense, and a defense that is average at best. But they are incredibly beatable. At no point today was I particularly impressed with them the way I was watching a team like the Packers. Elite teams beat teams like the Saints at home, and we didn’t do it, which says a lot about where we are as a franchise IMO.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget about several dropped passes in the red zone
I agree with your concern about the coaching staff, but Roddy dropped a TD pass, Julio dropped a TD pass, and Gonzo dropped a ball that would have put us inside the 5 yd line. Players and coaches both shot themselves in the foot today.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
That's not the pass I was talking about, it happened before that
I know the one you’re talking about though, that one was on Matt
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Yep, it's definitely not ENTIRELY a coaching issue
Something is just wrong with this team right now. They’re not smart anymore. They lack the ability to execute fundamentals. I suppose you can blame a lot of that on the coaching staff, i’m not sure how much though.
But specifically, Falcons fans should be horrified by what’s happening with this offense. I’m not sure what weapon we could go out and get right now that we don’t currently have. Pro bowl QB – check. Pro bowl RB – check. Pro bowl WR – check. Rookie Phenom WR – check. A HOF tight end who is still playing at a high level, a solid slot receiver, a change of pace back, an O line that is really starting to play better.
It’s one thing to be lacking talent, which is bad… but to have all the talent you could possibly want and STILL not be able to do anything with it. That’s beyond bad, because it means you’ve got a much deeper, systemic issue that has to be dealt with.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
totally agree... but we should have beat GB at home too...
it’s as if the coaches got us to a certain level, but can’t get us above and beyond.. we have so much talent on both sides…..
One day....
I was concerned about the HC long time ago
it’s simple as that – if we constantly blame both coordinators it must have something to do with the HC.
agree with you on your assessment of the aints. they were manhandled by the rams and should have lost to the teal cats, had it not been for their coaching blunders.
but then again, I’m sure those aints fans also feel we’re overrated.
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then their team is overrated as well.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
STREAK ENDED
That game ended of take-away streak. We could’ve use one today
by jgreedy on Nov 13, 2011 5:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i thought about that too
i hoped they could get a INT with the amount of targets Colston and Graham were getting. They were wide open the whole game……and they’re the Saints best weapons and they ran wild
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Last post before I finish my finals,
Julio has got to get back on the field. I’m tired of these draft picks being out.
And oh, trust me I’m a diehard but if we lose next week , I will be selling my tickets to the Minnesota game guys. My gf bought them for 90 a piece so I’m sure they’re decent seats. I’ll sell reasonabl though.
My heart just can’t keep wrenching. ATL teams just let us down when it matters the most.
Cheers guys.
It is so tough for me to even be mad...
Yet another Falcons/Saints game.
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haha, i'm kind of with you there
I’m so used to this team letting me down now that i’m almost kind of numb to it. It’s less emotional to me now and more just morbid curiosity… like studying why the Titanic sank or something.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Not what I meant.
I meant that no matter what, this will always be a close game.
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Uh oh...haven't read back. Was it bad?
I apologize…we had company today because the Steelers weren’t on locally. I was slacking.
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Well, it wasn't terrible considering
I just like a little c’est la vie.
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We played toe-to-toe with a hated rival.
The Steelers got swept by the Ravens. It happens. It seems to always happen with these two teams (and the Steelers/Falcons, strangely).
We play next week. Suck it up and get back to winning. We will feel better a weeknfrom now.
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he'd be too hopped up on vicodin to fight back
He’d probably give you a great deal on painkillers though
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Stupidity
Sorry, but the call on 4th and short, was just asinine. Frankly, I would have punted and let the D force them to drive. If you don’t make it, it’s just a gimme FG.
I’ve been a long time Coach Smith supporter, but this call, the inconsistency of this season and the fact that MM is still the OC, is making me reconsider my support.
What a brutally disappointing performance.
And if we punt it
and the Saints move the ball with ease and win the game, we’re asking why we didn’t at least go for it.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yea I like the move just not the play..inches? Just qb sneak it
by Bigru3 on Nov 13, 2011 5:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The OL was defeated as soon as the ball was snapped.
I’m not so sure that a sneak would’ve made it either.You really want to blame someone, blame the OL.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
i call bs on that
the saints knew exactly where to go and a hand off against that makes that 4th and inches harder. A quarterback sneak is the shortest distance between two points regardless of how good your o-line is.
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Hey guys, one of the slpppiest games I've ever witnessed
We were DAMN LUCKY. You lost that game due to Mularkey’s playcalling. Your defense shut down our offense. I was very unhappy with our offensive playcalling.
We got lucky!
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We're used to it.
Just wish we could actually finish the deal for once.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
No prob. I hope we can play better as the season goes along
This division is not locked by a long shot.
You guys have a tough team. Your defense is stout
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Tell
sean peyton to send me some of his vicodin please
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
i don't have an issue with the fact we went for it
I have an issue with the fact that THAT was the play we called.
Turner has been great this year, but for every awesome Turner run i’ve seen, i’ve seen 3 stops at the line for no gain. I would assume our coaching staff has been paying attention to that, and yet they STILL thought that was the play to go with. It was the predictably stupid thing to do, and lo and behold, we did it.
And this isn’t a “we need more creative playcalling!” argument. This is a matter of reading the things your team does frequently fail at and NOT doing that very thing, especially when the defense knows that’s exactly what you’re going to do.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Good points
but I have an issue where they went for it. Not in OT on your own 30. Especially when EVERYONE knew what the play was going to be.
I can see your point
I mean as amazing as it is given the talent on that side of the ball, I really do believe the offense is the weakness of this team. So it was a matter of whether you were gonna put the game in the hands of the offense or the defense, and we probably should have let the defense handle it since the offense can’t seem to handle much of anything anymore.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
That's an excellent point
One I think we’ll be debating for a while.
I’m crazy enough to think you can go for it there, but the play call was awful.
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Roddy "No Hands" White
This guy is just flat out STEALING money from Arthur Blank this year. A game on the pine is needed to give him a kick in the ass. Pathetic performance again today.
roddys playing awful
im losing belief in SB
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Nov 13, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
Send
him to the eagles with is BFF vick
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Im
just mad i probably didnt really mean that.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
You mean" Mr. 128 passing yards" today????
That score and Iggles struggles are helping ease today’s pain. BTW, WTH is going on with the Ravens in Seattle?
by Angry Rodent on Nov 13, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I
dont know, they are real inconsistant too. Seattle is a hell of a place to play though
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:34 PM EST up reply actions
haha
tebow only threw 8 passes. Option FTW.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:38 PM EST reply actions
Can't pay me enough money to watch that kind of football in the pros.
by Angry Rodent on Nov 13, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'd watch it all the time if it worked.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
i dont like tebow or his style of play, he would make a decent tightend at best.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I actually got to watch some of the game
and the play calling at the end of that last drive and in OT was some of the WORST I have ever seen. In OT you have to get first downs and the O was doing anything but. As others have pointed out why was MT taken out of the offense in OT? Also, that stupid ass on side kick at the end of the game. Other than some blown coverages on Graham the D did not play poorly against NO.
I also agree with some others. As soon as JJ is well bench RW and move Meier into the starting rotation as the #3 WR. Something is off with Roddy but it should not cost ATL games in the process of sorting it out.
I’m really having a hard time sorting this team out. Going for it on 4th down in OT on our own 30 was a terrible decision. I think we can kiss the playoffs good bye.
I
really missed finneran on those last 2 OT drives.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
It was only a "terrible decision" because we didn't make it.
Blame the OL for not converting that. They were blown off the ball. An exchange of punts with the Saints would have eventually lead to our loss, anyway.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
It was a terrible decision
because it was on our own 30, pure and simple. The D has been playing pretty well. The ball should have been punted and let the D do their job. That would have been infinitely better than giving up the ball in field goal range for NO.
But you're not going for that 4th and 1 thinking "We're going to give them the ball"
You’re thinking “We’re going to get this.”
Again, it was only a “Terrible decision” because we didn’t make it. Had we made it, and then proceeded to win the game, we’d be praising Smith’s cojones.
In a battle of punts, who would you expect to win?
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
It is all about field position
how hard is that to understand. In few, if any, circumstances would you go for it on your own 30 in a tie game, much less OT. Especially when you are trying to prevent a second divisional loss.
Battle of the punts? Realistically you have a better chance with NO on their 30 instead on your own. That should also be evident.
In a battle of punts, who would you expect to win?
That should have no bearing on the decision. And ATL actually did out punt NO today
As in, if we keep punting back and forth, who is more likely to eventually score?
The answer to that question should be obvious.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
If you can't figure it out
then you have no reason to think I have no idea how important field position is.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Okay Caleb
since you can’t seem to grasp it. ATL had NO chance with the Saints getting the ball on their 30. ATL had forced no turn overs for the game and NO wasn’t going to give it up with that field position. If ATL had punted the ball then the D could have had a chance to stop them. The D had no chance backed up on the 30.
It’s not about winning a battle of the punts, that’s ridiculous anyway. It’s about giving yourself the best chance to win. That fourth down call did not give them the best chance to win.
You saying that
means you can’t grasp what I said, either. ;)
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
As a stat guy you should know better.
4th and inches should almost never be punted. One of the great criticisms sabermetricians have of NFL coaches is overuse of the punt.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
BS
it’s about situation and field position. You don’t get that then there is NO reason to continue the discussion.
I do
but the “chart” so to speak says you go for it on your own 30 with that distance to go.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Third piece down, for starters. Good stuff.
http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html
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Good article
and that would apply under normal game situations, not in OT. Shame that’s not obvious.
LOL
Points are points. 4th and inches has a success rate north of 80%. You go for it.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Put it this way
From a pure probability perspective, there is absolutely no way that the chances of stopping Brees from getting three points from his own 30 is greater than the chance of getting two inches.
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Wrong
and I know you won’t agree. Brees never even had to touch the ball and they could have kicked a field goal and won the game.
The thing you seem to refuse to factor into the discussion is play calling and if you notice that is an issue.
It's two separate issues.
Of course the probabilities assume the correct play is run for the situation. It was the right call to go for it, but the wrong play call and poor execution of the play that was called.
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Try this one
http://www.slideshare.net/hatch125/go-forit-on-4th-down
It mirrors some of the points from your link. The thing that lost ATL the same was not going for it, rather it was the play selection.
We agree then.
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I think coaches should go for it pretty much every time
with less than one yard to go. Always have.
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Oh, I am.
Just not anywhere near pro level.
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Trust me
a QB sneak from the spread works damn near every time. Only when you fail to get the snap does it fail, really.
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That's not even the point
ATL didn’t run a sneak. You want to complain about the play calling then do that. The discussion was centered about going for it or not, the merits of not making it and the cost when it wasn’t made.
They run it a lot.
And going for it with the proper play call is still 100% the right move.
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mwalex
this whole discussion about the 4th down call is a moot point.
but look no further than the whole playcalling sequence in OT. we had a good completion to TG on 2nd down, and all we needed is 2 yds in 2 tries. running turner there made a lot of sense, since we didn’t have to score quickly. it was somthing similar in the first series in the OT.
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Why
is laurent robinson doing so good now that he isnt with us MM?
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions
Not necessarily MM's fault there.
Change of scenery does that sometimes.
Plus Romo had like…3 incompletions for a while there. Or maybe the whole game, not sure.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I
see. i guess i need to stop just watching highlights of the other games
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
cause he's with a better offensive coordinator
even with the rams he wasn’t that good
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Okay Everyone - there are some things that everyone is overlooking
How about even though with the penalties and set backs – the Falcons did come back and force the game into overtime when and gave themselves a chance win it looked like the Saints had a certain win. Or what about Matt Ryan and Roddy White finally getting on the same page to eat up huge yardage. This was a spectacular game and Atlanta competed even with all the penalties and miscues. And some of you that are second guessing that Atlanta shouldn’t have ran the ball on 4th and Inches and said you would have called a fake or a side line run then your liars! When you have a great running back like Michael Turner in the backfield and it’s 4th and inches – of course you’re going to give it to the best running back in the NFL! A pass play would have ended in a sack or interception or incomplete pass – too many things that can go wrong. Running to the side lines might have ended in a tackle in the backfield or a fumble or lost of yardage. Mike Smith made the right call in that situation – hell he made the only call in that situation. If he kicked it back to the Saints and but his Defense back on the field which was tired anyway might have ended in a touchdown instead of a field goal for the Saints. It’s just the offensive line didnt get enough of a push on the line. Hey – sh*t happens. But I got a weird feeling we will beat the Saints at home.
should have went qb sneak on a quick count
the game shouldnt have been that close we have to execute better and it will not be easy to improve. Cox had a hell of a game tho
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Nov 13, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
uh
And some of you that are second guessing that Atlanta shouldn’t have ran the ball on 4th and Inches and said you would have called a fake or a side line run then your liars!
No, That’s just common sense. I’ll say it again….The Saints knew where they were running the whole time.
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Of course they did
As a head coach in that particular situation – your hoping your offensive linemen are big enough and strong enough to push the pile for those inches. But when the Saints got their pads lower than the offensive line did – they just got push back.
If he had made it – everyone would be praising him.
by Antonio Grimes on Nov 13, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Bench Roddy White.
Dropped passes,interceptions and Penalties have been the theme for Roddy this year. No more free Pass.
It's all about Process...
Not a great game.
But benching him is not what I would call a sound decision.
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I would generally agree
I don’t think he should be off the field, but what if you give Harry Douglas and Julio Jones more snaps than him? Still wakes him up and makes sure he’s not off the field entirely.
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Taking your best playes off the field is not a good practice.
And whether it is White or Turner, that applies.
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Put Roddy in the slot
I don’t think Roddy is that mentally tough. Benching him might hurt his confidence even more. I think putting him in slot and letting HD take his starting spot is better. He needs to do catching drills all this week.
Well of course they are. He didn't make it.
It’s the OL’s fault. They were the lesser men on that play.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
wasn't the oline's fault
it was the play selection. I think we have to separate that cause people always criticize the decision always instead of evaluating the yardage and probability. If the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, then sneaking is the best call, not handing it off 4 yards deep in the backfield where most certainly the Saints will know who gets the ball.
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The OL needs to be tweak
The hell happened to Clabo? Sposed to be our best lineman. I knew the play was over after Matt hiked the ball. The OL was already 2 yards back when Turner got the ball. If you cant get a 4th and inches against a D who struggles against the run. You dont deserve to win.
I dunno.
I feel like Turner isn’t the type of RB we need anymore. We need someone who can make it happen when the initial hole closes. Quizz can do that, but we’re not using him enough.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:51 PM EST reply actions
but turner
Can take a pile and carry it for 3 more yards if he’s not hit as soon as he gets the ball
What the hell
all these performances that you’ve implicitly defending and you’re going to question Turner? Caleb, you reek of bias here.
Dude
I’ve been saying this for months.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Or, at the very least, asking this question
a la “Is Turner the RB we need at this point?”
Do I like Turner? Yes. Do I think he’s what we need now? I don’t know.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
The only reason I'm "wrong" here
is because we don’t know what it would be like if we had someone else. Our OL hasn’t been the best. We need an RB who can make it happen when the hole closes. Turner can not do that. Quizz can.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
See you are wrong b/c of that
If we had a back that wanted to dance around instead of hitting holes, even when they aren’t there, it is highly likely for every electric play your hypothetical RB made, there would be even more negative plays from trying to be a playmaker.
You wouldn't play a back that danced around if the hole was there. He would be cut off the team.
Turner hits the holes that are there. But he also runs to where the hole is even when it’s closed up. Even if there’s a running lane to the side. We need a back who CAN improvise, not someone who tries to improvise every. single. time. No running back would play if they danced if there was a whole there.
We also don’t use him in the passing game nearly enough.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say, I don't agree
Nothing today was his fault. It’s not his fault that MM took the ball out of his hands, and it’s not his fault that the Falcons called an awful play on that 4th and 1.
It’s going to be time to replace him soon, and Rodgers is going to be a part of that platoon. But it’s not time to get rid of him.
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.....what part of that post says "Get rid of Turner"?
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies if I misread
When you said that Turner wasn’t the type of back the Falcons needed anymore, I assumed you meant we should be giving carries to other guys or looking to replace him.
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For the future
Obviously, cutting Turner now would be comical. Come on, dude, give me a little benefit of the doubt here.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Okay, I see where you're coming from now
That’s just how I read your original statement.
I still think that Turner has another year left in him. Particularly because the Turner/Rodgers/Snelling platoon is working so well.
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I left too much open to interpretation, I suppose.
I try not to do that. But in any case, I can’t help but wonder if we had a full-time back that could improvise a little, if our O would be better. I really think so. Turner was great for what we needed him for – an RB we could lean on 25 times a game while our young QB continued to grow. But at some point, as that RB wears down and his running style becomes somewhat obsolete, we should at least consider someone a little more dynamic.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Don't you guys think there is a bigger issue here though...
Namely that the level of talent on the offense seems to have little to do with increasing production. More talent is not getting us more points. So in that regard, cutting Turner or keeping him may not make that much of a difference if you don’t have a coaching staff that knows what to do with him.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
Still say Ryan is part of the problem too.
Brees made several throws today that Ryan wouldn’t even attempt.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
The pass to HD that was severely underthrown
if that’s a good throw, it’s a TD.
Not blaming Matt for the loss, but that’s an example.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Why be one-sided
HD should have turned his head on that route well before he did. He could have made an adjustment. Same thing happened to Roddy early where there was a perfectly thrown ball to Roddy on his outside shoulder and he didn’t turn his head until 25 yards down the field.
Brees misses plenty of passes to wide-open WRs. That’s part of throwing deep balls.
It's not about misses
it’s about throwing guys open when they’re single covered.
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We might be talking about different plays.
He had split the defenders and, at least from what I remember, was looking for the ball after his break. It just never made it to him.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to agree with J Tadpole, but i'm starting to
Don’t get me wrong, Ryan is a very good QB, but he’s still doing some very troubling things on a weekly basis.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not shitting on him.
He’s fine, just can’t make every throw. Best when he uses his brains and great for a West Coast style.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
You must not have watched then.
The first TD over DeCoud who had tight coverage, the rocket up the sideline to Moore come to mind right away.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
yeah, I never watch games.
that’s a totally legit statement to make.
Brees made two good throws then, huh? One of which should have been knocked away by Decoud instead of going for an INT. Matt had a couple of good throws as well.
My point
is that Matt would never have even tried those throws, and those throws are necessary to maximize the weapons at his disposal.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
You are talking about the QB
that maximized Julio’s potential by throwing him into triple coverage last week, right?
Yes, he did throw that.
It was a mile high and the first time I’ve seen him do it, but yes. To his credit, he tried to push it vertical more today. Still seems risk averse though, probably because he has a keen understanding of his own limitations- also to his credit.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
I don't agree with that last statement
I think Matt’s confidence is shaky. Bad OL for the first part of the year and his #1 WR can’t catch. Now the OL is better, much better from a pressure/sack perspectivebut his #1 WR is still shaky at critical times. I think he’s pressing too much. My only big concern with Matt is that he might not be doing a good job going through his WR progressions.
Maybe, but Matt can still audible to a reasonable play if the guy is even in the game.
In fact, I feel like every play run was audibled to something. Whether that was Matt’s call or MM’s, I don’t know. Probably some of both.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
The 4th and inches play.
Call it second-guessing or whatever, but this is Middle School stuff.
You come out with 2 TEs, 2 WRs, and 1 RB. You shift into an empty 5-wide set, forcing the defense to either pull out LBs or leave someone uncovered (they will never leave someone uncovered in the NFL). You sneak it against six guys.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
With this team, this year, probably still would not have worked. Just disappointing.
by Angry Rodent on Nov 13, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
It's almost impossible to stop a sneak
with 2 LB and 4 DL.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
ATL didn't do a sneak
now did they? If they had they probably would have converted.
I think the 4th down arguement is more about the play that was called more so than going for it. In the bar I was yelling “QB sneak” instead they started with a play that began four yards behind the line.
by mwalex on Nov 13, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course.
So was everybody else with a fucking brain.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Oh, I agree there.
Piss poor call.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
saints d sucks by the way.
Our offense isnt good enough. Sad part is it should be a lot better
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Nov 13, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
but you don’t have to block the DEs in this case.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
For all the discussion of the 4th Down call
I don’t think it has been noted that ATL went for it in the same down and distance earlier (though far different situation), and appear to have run the same play which took an incredible individual effort by Turner to get then.
"Unfortunately, the decision that we made did not work out today," Falcons coach Mike Smith said
Capt. Obvious is obvious.
is it just me being a fan
It seems like every single game, whether it’s my Falcons or Vols or pretty much any other team i root for, it seems like the officials are always making horrendous calls against us. But you hear about every team’s fans saying that the officials are horrendous and against them. Well, which is it?
Another question to hopefully cool us down
If ATL had gone to the spread 5 WR early in the game, would they have produced a like result as the end of the game?
The ball would have got intercepted or incompleted pass.
The Saints would have been licking their chops for a play like that.
by Antonio Grimes on Nov 13, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Well, again, i'll go back to the same thing I go back to whenever we lose to the Saints
Thank god I get to live in Atlanta and not New Orleans.
In that regard, I won today, and everyday.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:07 PM EST reply actions
haha you just Lebron'd
everyone from NOLA. I like New Orleans myself, always good for a party. Never lived there so I can’t say.
I just felt like I needed to wear a hazmat suit the entire time I was there.
Disgusting city. The French quarter is kind of cool, but that’s really about it. The rest of it is like a 3rd world country.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen some pretty ugly parts of Atlanta as well. Don't go there.
One, most of us don’t live in the Quarter.
Second, the people who trash the Quarter are tourists, not locals. Basically, you guys.
Third, the nakedness in the streets at Mardi Gras and other events? Again, tourists. Basically, you guys.
Fourth, poorer city financially than Atlanta, but 100 years older, and with more historical value than anything Atlanta has.
Fifth, the food. Don’t even have to explain that one.
Call me when you guys get the Olympics
Every city has ugly parts… the difference is that about 90% of New Orleans looks like a war zone.
You guys do have good food, i’ll give you that. Unfortunately, that’s about it.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
lol
So your argument is “Atlanta isn’t a good city because they got the Olympics, but some psycho set off a bomb there”.
Impeccable logic.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
And
your forgetting how its all tourist’s fault that is nasty, i figured with all the crime they have there they should have some kind of community service program to clean it up.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Hey, I have an idea!
Let’s build a city… in a bowl, below sea level!
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
and
blame it on the president when we didnt leave when a hurricane was coming
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
And it goes to show how uniformed you are...
A metro area of a million plus had less than 10,000 in the city when Katrina hit.. All the rest evacuated … in 48 hours.
I seem to remember Houston being a total clusterf**k for Hurricane Rita.
i
believe 10,000 is way off
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
I think the more telling fact is how many of the people who did evacuate liked the place they went to so much more than New Orleans that they decided not to come back.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Bingo.
And how many traded their Red Cross debit cards for drugs.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Actually, its not. There were less than 10,000 people left IN the city...
other than those that evacuated to the Superdome.
That’s why there were less than 2000 dead.
That's completely inaccurate
Per Wikipedia, there were over 100,000 people who stayed in the city.
Either way though, it’s completely impossible to confirm how many there were. It’s not like there were census takers running around the city as the hurricane was approaching.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Let's build a city, on an earthquake fault line.
Let’s build a city, in Tornado Alley.
I noticed the entire Northeast did “real well” when they got little ol’ Tropical Storm Irene, followed by Tropical Depression Lee.
what is this guy talking about??
Seriously, do yourself a favor and go back to whatever Saints message board you crawled out of. You’re not helping the general perception of your fanbase’s intellect.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
i
believe u have us confused with kansas
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously
I’m thinking “Does this guy know Atlanta is in Georgia? And where specifically Georgia is on a map?”
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
That city was designed to flood.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Actually, tadpole
It wasn’t until the 1920’s when they started filling in the low-lying areas in order to develop them that they had a problem. There are certain areas that people never should have built in, but the French Quarter, Garden District, Carrollton, the Gentilly and Metairie Ridge areas, have always been high and dry.
And, we survived Katrina. The storm was already passed with NO flooding, when the government built levees broke.
That's all true.
They had to be allowed to build there though.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Agreed....politician's greed.
Something we all share.
if
were talking in generalities i dont think nevada or michigan gets earthquakes tornados or hurricanes, just to name 2 states.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Nevada gets earthquakes, Michigan gets blizzards.
Ever seen what some of those storms that come off the Great Lakes do?
They don't cost $81 billion due to poor planning and design.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
Again, the planning wasn't poor.
We survived the Hurricane. As far as poor design, blame the US government. It was their job to design and build the levees. They’re the ones that are a fault.
For instance, they designed the Mississippi River-Gulf Outlet Canal and created a funnel effect that directed the storm surge right up against the Intercoastal Canal levees. They were told this could happen and they ignored it. NOW they’ve closed the MRGO for good. Just a bit too late.
Time to split...
Gotta go mug some tourist to get money for dinner. Oh, and I need to steal some matches. It gets pretty cold in the house with no electricity and heating, and all the windows broken out.
well
at least you have your stolen laptop. im surprised theres a starbucks there that you can steal internet from.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
I
hardly count a blizzard as a natural DISASTER, since u threw that word around
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Actually
living anywhere in Nevada (Either Vegas, which is a living disaster, or anywhere else, which has no one around, which is a disaster to your social life) is a disaster.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
Before the market crash
S. Nevada was among the fastest growing places.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
And now
it is a disaster.
I’ve only been to Vegas. I know there are cities like Reno that do well. Not sure what else is out there, aside from desert, which is still a disaster.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
You have no clue of what you're talking about
Somehow the discussion went from a natural disaster to an economic disaster. Vegas is not a disaster unless you personally make it one. The city itself is still making money and is almost always packed.
Love Vegas!
Great eats, European style pools(hee), good shows, dumb ol gambling(stupid craps and blackjack…how I hate you…), good shows, great hotels(love the Encore), tell em aces sent ya. You will be asked “who?” and promptly escorted out.
Oh yea, u get to shoot machine guns!
Costs a ton but oh man, I got to shoot a Tommy gun! Pew pew pew!!!
We
need to get MM a new magic 8-ball, thats obviously what hes using to call the plays.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:13 PM EST reply actions
Well...the "Stafford is better than Ryan" discussion has to be squashed at this point.
At least for now. Kid looks befuddled yet again.
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thanks to you MM
i will forever refer to the georgia dome as the DEN OF DEBAUCHARY: the place where dreams go to die.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:22 PM EST reply actions
yeah
i was like ten and discovered my dads porn stash, thta kept me busy until 2001
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I am ready to see what different coordinators can do with this team.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I swear...
When I saw them lining up for that 4th and 1 in overtime, with New Orleans stacking the middle, I thought. “wow, Mularky is going to swing it outside and flip everybody out. Maybe even a touchdown.” No way I thought he was boneheaded enough to try to pound Turner up the middle into 8 or more guys whose entire families, including their grandmothers, for God’s sake, were SURE that’s what he was going to do. How do you run the play that everyone in fourteen states expects in that situation? Maybe this will be the wakeup call where Smith and Mularky finally figure out running Turner between the guards works better when it’s not totally predictable.
by randomaxe on Nov 13, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
So did Snell get hurt or something?
After that inspired run he made I never saw him again.Its like he disappeared.
by JT131 on Nov 13, 2011 6:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he did have some hammy issues before the half
but no RB really did much after NO went up later in the 3rd.
Panthers are still the Panthers.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
If anyone else just watched Vernon Davis's TD just now.
It was pretty cool.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions
He
did a celebratory jump into the other teams arms
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Headline on CNNSI.com pretty much sums it up
“Falcons Hand It To Saints”
Yep.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 6:44 PM EST reply actions
Guess we'll have to throw it to them next time!
Or we’ll just win. Sounds like a better idea.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
why
does eli manning look like he has an extra chromosome or 2?
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions
You know
I hate the saints. Really. I know, hate is a strong word.
But where was the passion from our team? Don’t they hate the saints as much as I do? If not, that’s a problem. I think it’s a bit funny that our team doesn’t play with passion.
Also, RW is becoming dead to me. I am “almost” okay with the dropped passes. But the penalities too? And the critical drops (the interception and the would be td at the end of the game)? That is almost too much to bear.
My message to RW: stop talking trash and start catching passes… or shut the hell up. Your choice.
totally agree
Roddy has become a serious head case. Also Weems should never see the field ever again. two more punts hit the ground to pin the falcons deep. Its killing me. HIs only job is to catch punts and kickoffs. Decoud still looks lost in coverage.
by NewAgeDirtyBirdFan on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM EST up reply actions
well
the 49’ers are about to beat the giants.
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:17 PM EST reply actions
Just goes to show what a change in coaching can do.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Very true
What do u make of the bears stomping the lions?
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
To me, the fact that
not making it left the Saints already in FG range meant that it was a no-brainer that the Falcons should have punted.
And, when I listened to Smith’s statement about it, everything that he said translated in my mind into
I didn’t have enough confidence in my defense to keep this guy and this team from scoring if I punt it 30-40 yards out of their FG range.
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Skol is a four-letter word.
Well
i think eagles are done after their loss today, hopefully romo will help dallas lose and cutler will start throwing int"s again (wishful thinking, i know)
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 7:30 PM EST reply actions
Welp
Its been a long season. I dont get mad anymore. Its more expected now. Drops, bad calling, and janky penalties. The Falcons are as I thought and average team who can’t win if they shoot themselves in the foot. The O line needs to be blown up, the coaches need to be fired, and the WRs and TEs need stick em.
I really didn’t get to watch much of the game but the only player of the game I saw was Snelling after that crazy TD he had.
If I can traverese the minefield.
You guys were great this past week. I may hate the Falcons, but you guys made the experience more bearable (sorry if that’s not a compliment, I am trying I promise!!!).
These two teams are very equal in talent in different categories, the difference, to me anyway, was that the Saints coaching staff is more experienced and better than the Falcons right now. You guys shouldn’t be embarrased of this team, it’s a good team and you guys are good.
See you in nola!!
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
You're respectful and classy
But that doesn’t change the fact I wish you’d go away.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Lol.
Understood.
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
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I don't mind you visiting
but now probably isn’t the best time. We’re all sad/mad/drunk currently
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
We totally understand Caleb
We could have easily been on that side of the fence this evening. It was anybody’s game. You gotta heck of a good team who needs a change of offensive cooridinator. Your D is stout as hell and did a great job defending 3rd downs and stopping the run. There’s still a ton of football left and anything can happen.
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
You got class, sir, ...
… compared to my brother-in-law in Lafayette who called me after the game and said, “Yea, we done roasted up some yardbird dis afta-noon,” and then hung up.
He’ll need to point his Christmas gift away from his face this year.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!
Thanks Anoldbird
I love this heated rivalry. We got the best rialry in the NFL in my book. And there was no need for that guy to rub it in your face like that. You can win and lose with class. I’ve watched many games with Falcon Fans with good respectable trash talking without sounding trollish.
What a rivalry!
I spent 8 years trying to reach him...and then another 7 trying to keep him locked up because I realized what was living behind that boy's eyes was purely and simply...Evil.
Dr. Sam Loomis Aka (Donald Pleasence)
ugh
i still wish we could ban Saints fans from this board
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
Hey!
I thought I was being really nice! I don’t hate you guys! I just hate the team you root for. Dave runs a cool blog, if you guys weren’t Falcons fans, I’d be here almost daily.
Bring back Aaron Brooks! He's the only one who can save us from the evil that is Drew Brees!!
Dallas’ misery will always be my delight
-TexansDC
You are being nice
I just hate the fact that I have to share this space with Saints fans. But it’s not my decision.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 14, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Not mad just sad
I agree with mikes call i would of went for it. Its all or nothing at that point, and as for the players I think everyone played their hearts out and put it all on the field except for Roddy and weems. Penalties happen but Roddys drop in the endzone he was more concered about getting a PI call instead of catching it. Ryan is a stud when it seemed lost he drove us down the field and would of scored a td if it wasnt for white. Also season isnt lost, Det lost so did philly and tb, its gonna come down to us, det, chi, and maybe dallas im pretty sure well have better record then atleast 3 of those teams
Tebow had 2 completions and won????????
What has the NFL come 2? I like Tebow tho but KC sucks for that loss.
No matter how bad some of the things that the falcons did today were, I still love my team an understand it is not the end of the season.
by superfalcon on Nov 13, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tony Dungy
disagreed with the call in OT. To paraphrase Tony:
“You aren’t going to win the game with that call, but you can lose it”
Ha, that's a great point
At first I liked the call, but the more i’ve thought about it, i hate it. I always hated the play they called, but going for it on 4th down I didn’t originally have an issue with.
The reason I think it was a bad call right now is because I don’t have any faith in our offense, and I definitely have more faith in our defense. As stunning as that is to say about an offense that has like 7 pro bowlers on it, it’s the truth. Their inconsistent and disappointing. And essentially that call was putting the game in the hands of our offense.
Until I see the offense play some level of respectable football, I will be more comfortable with the defense in the driver’s seat.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
"They're", not "their"
Ugh, i can’t believe I did that
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
If failure means you give them the ball in FG range, PUNT!!!
Or at least run a quick-hitter. We hadn’t won the line of scrimmage on offense since the first half. Disgusted with the lack of risk analysis.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!
of course he'd say that
he’s a conservative coach as well.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
He also said the TD pass Roddy dropped at the end of the game was PI
Sorry, but I have to call BS on that.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
And how would that have helped
with the terrible pass coverage? Not one single bit. You really think Peppers would have helped in BVG’s schemes? Come on.
...but the play call is another matter.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
But that doesn't matter
because what was the probability of ATL actually going with a QB sneak? I would guess pretty low.
that actually makes me feel a lot better
but like it is said in the comments, a run on 4th down seems to no longer be the “smart” bet
Just sad..
We can never seem to beat the elite teams
by manetrayne on Nov 13, 2011 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The Saints aren't an elite team
That’s what makes this loss so annoying.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
There was this bright flash and a roaring in my ears...
… then it was really quiet, and I woke up in the driveway under my wife’s car next to a pile of burning Falcons tee shirts, hats, jerseys, etc. What happened?
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!
Fail grades for
Roddy and Weems. I really hope that JJ is back on the field next week and Franks is fielding kicks.
Don't forget to fail the Dline who generated zero pass rush,
Smitty for making a horrible challenge among other flubs. Anyone else see him screaming that Brees was down on the one play we got to him? If we had sacked Brees, the clock would have kept running and chances are we don’t get to go lose in OT. Dont understand how he could not realize this. But no, there he is yelling at the refs “he was down! He was down!”. Plenty of bland to go around.
Brees being down would have made very little difference.
About 5 seconds difference, meaning we would have had to kick the FG one play sooner.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
How is that? Instead of an incomplete pass he would have been down with a sack
So, I assume with the 45 second clock being reset. They would have run off 44 seconds?
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
The play
Happened at round 2:07 left in the 4th. Had the ruling been a sack it would have just taken the clock down to the two minute warning.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake. Wonder why Moose and co. we're harping on about it then
One less mistake for Smitty!
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
i just got home
from work. ive calmed down from before still pretty ticked the D Line generated no pressure
Me too.
I’ve come to the conclusion that the entire team has (and has had) major issues.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
and it was close.
I’m not so sure it didn’t go over the post, which in some form or fashion is actually not a miss. Don’t know the exact ruling.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Nov 13, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
also
we are fighting for a wildcard spot with the Bears, Lions and Cowboys. And Chris Johnson looks like he might have gotten it back together just in time to face the falcons
I saw that
hopefully we can keep him in check like we did sproles today.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
that should definitely be mentioned in the recap, the defense did a great job with Sproles.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Seriously?
Now it’s time to start complaining about the DL? Do any of you know where NO’s OL is ranked? They are ranked 11th in adjusted sack rate and have only given up 19 sacks this season and tied for 4th for fewest QB hits. You guys want to complain about something how about complaing about the poor blitz scheme that yet again don’t help the DL or pass coverage.
im mad
about the blitz scheme the few times we sent an extra blitzer we got no extra pressure. Brees had a clean pocket to throw for 3 quarters in the 4th we actually got some pressure on him.
And that's my point
against teams like NO and GB you need to be able to dial up good blitzes and that is ONE more thing that ATL sucks at. Blitzes and screens.
lol
i love ATLs screens they are so bad its comical. im not even kidding i think MM calls dumb screens just so he doesnt need to use them anymore
A little reverse psychology by MM hmmm,...
If they are terrible he can toss em. That is sad and funny, because it might be true.
mwalex, you would like an occasional pressure from your 4 man rush
While I agree they’re a solid Oline, our front 4 is not too shabby itself. They did nothing. Once again, if u want to show kids what a perfect pass pocket looks like show them our rush in this game. That being said you’re 100% right on the blitzes. Where last year BVG’s blitzes got to Brees, we just couldn’t execute the finish, today, it was just horrible. When we’d send a LB, he’d pull a Turner and look like he’d just run into the backs of his teammate. No penetration, our best rushers, Abe and RE pushed far out of the play. Zero push up the middle. I think we got Brees down once the whole game. The D has played better, but as long as we continue to give up the big play(we did today), play Swiss cheese zones(same), generate zero pressure(same)and give up 3rd and longs, I still want him out.
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
You are right
but in actuality there are only a handful of DL’s that get consistent pressure without rushing a LB or DB. If we were to rush a LB or DB more effectively it would help increase the DL pressure when only rushing them. I also want BVG gone so we’re on the same page with that one.
I don't think it's consistent pressure we were looking for though
Just SOME pressure would have been nice
Again though, the defense wasn’t the problem today. It continues to be the inconsistency of the offense. Getting stopped in the redzone THAT many times against a team with such a weak redzone defense is just unacceptable.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
Very true. Consistent pressure from your front four is very rare.
That being said we generated zero pressure for 99% of the game from our base 4 man rush. When we did send someone he was easily rubbed out. Not by an extra blocker, but by their basic protection or running into the back of our other rushers. So, you know, same ol Falcon no pressure blitzes.
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Or for them to stop saying "oh a wise guy!" and poking each others eyes out
I kid to keep from crying.
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
11th out of 32nd is barely above mediocre.
'There are two pains in life. There is the pain of discipline and the pain of disappointment. If you can handle the pain of discipline, then you'll never have to deal with the pain of disappointment,'- Nick Saban
His line should have read something like
36/52 instead of 29, lots of drops
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
by Adam_S on Nov 13, 2011 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec
not flag. Computer is being an idiot.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
Lesbians like ellen degeneres and justin bieber are the bad kind son!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Its a glitch on the SBnation servers
does it to me too, it came across as a rec
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Going for it on that 4th down in OT was a good desicion in my mind.
That being said, the play selection was horrific.
I know I've harped a lot on Roddy today
but I forgot something, he whiffed on several blocks today, on top of the drops and penalties, he has got to get his head on straight.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
And to that add Weems
He has become nonexistant in the return game and had at least two 15 yard penalties called against him today.
That is true
Smith gave him a lot of shit about one of those penalties and I saw him writing something down in his notebook after the other one so I’m sure he’ll get on his ass.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Maybe
Its time to give HD or Rodgers a shot? Do we still have Franks?
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'd go with Franks since he's not a starter
and I’d bench Weems for a while. Move Meier up to his WR slot.
Yup. Franks is just rotting on the bench.
Doubt we’ll see him. This staff has a problem trusting young players. Look how long it’s taken them to somewhat implement Quizz.
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I know
Ive said this once today but i really missed Finneran today.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions
I would love to argue against that
but can’t. When was the last time the #4WR is a play caught a pass?
i think
MM sees TG and Turner as 4th WRs. I think Turner lined up outside as a WR more times this game then Meier has all year
and i have no problem with that
but i would much rather see Meier run a route then have Turner sit in the flat.
this
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Would love to say Weems did but he was a #3 on his catches.
Another example of how bad MM is at using talent. As if we need another.
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
and this
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
im still
waiting for the day Quizz and Snelling line up next to Matt in the shotgun with JJ and Roddy outside and HD in the slot thats my dream formation
We
Need to somehow scribble that on that bar napkin MM calls his “playbook”
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Don't be daft! It's not on a bar napkin
Its on colored construction paper.
by aces666high on Nov 13, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
You give him to much credit
he doesn’t know what papyrus is.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Couldnt be papryus
even the papryrus plant knew what he was about to do.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
My bad
I thought i saw him coloring something up there, with his tounge hanging halfway out of his mouth.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
I like what you're saying but...
again, I don’t see how all the talent in the world is going to make a difference right now. I mean you can’t give this offense too many more weapons than it already has. There comes a point where it’s not a talent or personnel issue, and I think we’re clearly there.
by cheshire falcon on Nov 13, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Off topic a bit
But have you all heard about the new developments in the Penn State scandal? Sick.
Here’s the link- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPK-yW6lU1o
If I were the parent of one of those kids, Sandusky wouldn’t even have to be concerned with prison time. He and anyone in the entire organization would have to watch out for me.
Sick. That school should be burned to the ground.
he even pointed out that it's a rumor
I’m going to start a rumor that McQueary joined in with Sandusky! Give people their time in court, and don’t say that those who didn’t commit a single crime are monsters or rape enablers, and don’t assume that everybody at Penn State is a rapist, either. A lot of really good people have gone to every school, and a lot of those really good people try to make the world a better place.
Or is every player/coach/staff for the Falcons a dog killer? Or every falcon drives on a suspended license? I don’t want to trivialize what Sandusky is accused of, but emotion-charged, reactionary rhetoric sounds good until you or people you care about are the ones being dragged through the mud.
Ignorance is bliss.
I’m guessing you haven’t read much on the case or clicked on the link. Sandusky is the one who committed the disgusting act but many, many people at the university not only knew what was going on but also covered it up.
Click on the link and get back to me.
Give people time in court? Sandusky is as good as dead in my book.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sandusky can burn in hell in my book
and the people indicted for purjury aren’t much better, but there are plenty of good people who have gone through that university, calling for it to be burned to the ground is a little much in my opinion
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
It might as well be
That school will have huge drops in admissions over the course of the next decade. A man synonymous with the school will hav his legacy washed away. The football program will have this follow it for years too. It may be a bit much calling for it to be burned but the human in all of us should see that football program needs its coaching staff washed away. For grief’s sake, they were still employing McQueery!
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oh McQueery should have been gone before Paterno
and I agree the majority of the coaching staff should go, I just think that the university as a whole should not be condemned because of the actions of a handful of men.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
why should the majority of the coaching staff go?
going through their coaching roster, do these people deserve to go?
Tom Bradley
Galen Hall
Kermit Buggs
Larry Johnson
Ron Vanderlinden
Dick Anderson
Bill Kenney
Jay Paterno
John Thomas
Again.
I see you have refused to list McQueery when he is an active member of the staff to my knowledge. And I have no concrete way of proving this, but do you think for one second that nobody on that staff didn’t think something was up when they see a guy who no longer works for the program leaving the showers hand in hand with a boy? Give me a break man.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
who says that they saw anything?
I don’t list McQueery because he’s on administrative leave and i personally find no reason to defend him
Never said they saw it
I’m more than certain they had knowledge of the situation however.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
really think people only go to a school because of football?
huge drops in admissions = probably a couple hundred a year. Which is fine, since there’s many thousands of people who want to go to penn state, but are wait listed.
I have followed the case and listened to the lnk
“many, many people at the university”? I can think of only 2 people involved in a cover up, Curley and Schultz. and before you say Paterno didn’t go to the police (because hearsay is such powerful evidence and the police go lock up anyone accused of anything by hearsay), Schultz was the de facto head of the police dept. And when a police dept. investigation is going on, there’s only one response anyone would get from the police, that they can’t comment on ongoing investigations
And yes, give people who committed crimes their time in court. The reason we have courts is so that the facts (facts require evidence, not just allegations) can be brought to light, and justice can be served. But apparently the only important thing to you is allegations, not necessarily the facts.
See this was my problem with the ESPN coverage
They devoted so much time to Paterno, almost no time tot he people indicted for perjury, or the campus police who investigated Sandusky in 1998, Paterno deserves some blame but the media has put way to much of it on him.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
I don't think there is a person on Earth that thinks Sandusky is innocent.
Two? Really? I can name a few just based off what I read from wikipedia.
The janitor saw and reported to his boss, not the police. McQueery never told police. JoePa never told police. Head of Athletics knew AND his advisors and told Sandusky to retire in exchange for a cover up.
It’s been going on for YEARS. You must be a relative of a high ranking member of the board over there. Evidence is overwhelming.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Jeez this why this blog should stay on Falcons topics
Can you imagine what would have happened to these people if they had called the police and then the allegations had turned out to be false? There’s a reason why institutions have a guideline on how to handle these things. The AD and President of the university are ultimately to blame for the cover up.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Mcqueery talked to the head of police
JoePa set up that meeting between Mcqueery and him. The janitor is a separate incident, there are no indications that any coaches affiliated with the football team were made aware of that incident.
I have no relation to Penn State, other than some family members and friends who are alumni or currently attend Penn State. I go to Tennessee, go Vols!
I hear you man
I just find it hard to believe that only two men knew what was up. Sandusky will get the book thrown at him and some of the chronies should recieve substantial punishments as well.
by DopeFalcons on Nov 13, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
One positive thing
All of the games from here on out are winnable I think. Not easy mind you, but I think the falcons have the capability to beat the Texans, and we clearly have the capability to beat the Saints if we can just execute fundamentals.
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Yeah
its sad when my girlfriend ask if they are allowed to do the same thing over and over. And when i asked whats that? she said “giving the ball to that guy with the thunder thighs”
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
Lesbians like ellen degeneres and justin bieber are the bad kind son!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 11:08 PM EST reply actions
Forget "Burner"
I like thunder thighs better
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Haha
she also called him “duck booty” i havent figured that one out yet though.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
Lesbians like ellen degeneres and justin bieber are the bad kind son!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well he does have an above average rear end
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
He can't have that one
That belongs to Marvin Williams
I know where the bodies are buried.....I buried some of them myself. - David Stern
by a hooter's baby on Nov 13, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I
feel like the dome is gonna be depressing when i go watch my peach county trojans (if we make it again).
At least i can take pride in the fact our mascot is a trojan, and its a man, trojan man!
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
Lesbians like ellen degeneres and justin bieber are the bad kind son!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 11:32 PM EST reply actions
^this^
and/or a pick.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
I've looked at that fourth down play over an over
and there was no chance for that play to work. As soon as Roddy motioned up the defense rotated his way and everyone crammed the side where the run was. It was as if Roddy in motion told the defense where the play was going. There was no secret or creativeness with that play; it was a straight meat and potatoes, madden 2008 play. THERE WAS FIVE GUYS IN THE BACKFIELD WHEN TURNER GOT THE BALL! Let alone the ten guys who were crowding the line before the play was snapped.
I’d really like to know why a QB sneak wasn’t considered or even why Michael Turner didn’t get the ball earlier.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday
MM
doesn’t know what a 5 wide QB sneak is
"People in this country used to look at a successful person and ask what can I do to have that kind of sucess. Now a lot of people look at a successful person and ask what can I do to take what he has."
- Tommy Beam
Didnt get too see the first one
but was it the same play we ran the first time?
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by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 13, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
the
first 4th down conversion we made.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
Lesbians like ellen degeneres and justin bieber are the bad kind son!
I promised my first born child to satan in exchange for a falcons superbowl win
by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 14, 2011 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
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still like to think if that saints player didnt FAKE that injury on our last regulation drive we would have got a td. We had them on their heels and they had all the wrong players in. And remember i said LIKE to think.
Let papa smurf in so i can put some red pants on this situation!
Lesbians like ellen degeneres and justin bieber are the bad kind son!
I promised my first born child to satan in exchange for a falcons superbowl win
by AplusBEqualsABE on Nov 14, 2011 12:02 AM EST reply actions
yeah. looked rather fishy to me
but, what can ya do…
Song of the game
Definitely appropriate…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjZc_Xr4U8A
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