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Time To Face The Music: We're Not A Good Football Team - Pack/Birds Recap

Clay Matthews showing that he doesn't need legs to get to the QB, he just flies.

In the past 12 quarters of Packers/Falcons football, the Packers have punted the ball exactly four times. To put that in perspective, Bosher punted five times last night, and Koenen punted four times in the regular season matchup last year. I'm not even going to look at the playoff game.

What that suggests to me is not offensive woes, not defensive woes, not even special teams woes, it is total team failure. And the fault for that lies on everyone, from coaching, to the players.

That's all I'm saying before the jump. Jump with me to get a little bit of question-asking, as well as the good, bad, and super bad.

Star-divide

I decided to sleep on it this time instead of writing another frustrated rant (one that would have been much less angry, admittedly.) I wrote down some notes last night of what I thought the problems might be, and I'll lay them out here.

1) Mike Smith is not in control of this football team. The absolute perfect example I can think of is Mike Tomlin, coach of the Steelers. When the Steelers play poorly, people will say "Oh Mike Tomlin won't stand for this, he'll take care of business and get that team straightened out." Not every team can say that, but a well-coached one can.

Can you say that about Mike Smith? Does anyone think, at this point, that Mike Smith is in control enough, like a Tomlin or Belichick, to really alter where this team is headed? The answer right now is no, he isn't. I think that's a huge difference from last year. Last year, Smitty was fiery, passionate, a player's coach. Now, he's almost tranquil, like he just wants to ride the pine.

Mike Smith puts on a very good, professional press conference. He does not throw anyone under the bus, but at some point you have to ask, "Are you able to even do anything?" If a coach had control over his team, he'd be pissed as all hell, promising fire and brimstone to every player who didn't do their job. Instead, we get the weak "We tried everything, it didn't work." or "We have to stop failing to execute." Well, yeah.

No, Smitty. Everything was what you threw in the first half, and it was brilliant. Garbage is what you threw in the second half, and it was terrible. Love what you've done for us so far, but you're going to lose this fanbase real quick if things don't get better soon.

2) We're a good team with a LOT of problems. Saw this from a comment on ESPN. I think this is more accurate than "We're not a good football team." because I really think that we are a good team who's struggling to find their identity, much like the 18-22 year old who sets out to find their own identity, and can often times find that to be really difficult.

However, we're not playing like a good team. Our two wins have been agonizingly close, and we're a couple flops from being 0-5. Yeah, winless. We're also a couple flops from being 3-2, which a lot of us predicted before the season anyway. We're only a game behind that. The world is not over, but I can see the four horsemen of the apocalypse riding toward us.

Good teams don't make the same mistakes as us. That doesn't mean we won't end up as a good team, but right now, we're not a good team. Plain and simple.

3) Matty's arm strength is a small cause for concern. He has plenty of arm, but I'll argue that he thinks he has more arm than he actually does. Arm strength is more than just about how far you can throw, it's also about how fast you throw, but more importantly, how fast you throw while evading pressure and throwing off of your back foot. I remember Urlacher's INT specifically, where he made a hell of a play on the ball. That was only possible because Matty threw a duck that hung in the air for eternity at Gonzo because threw while he was off balance, taking all of his strength out of the pass.

I've seen Matt throw some missiles, but he only throws that way when he's fundamentally sound and not being rushed. I believe Brady is the same way.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/detroit-lions/09000d5d822930c7/GameDay-Lions-vs-Vikings-highlights

Watch this video starting at 2:27. Stafford, while retreating straight back, flicks the ball 45 yards in the air, not only hitting Calvin Johnson, but pretty much hitting him in stride. Can Matt do that? I don't think he can. That's not a knock on Matt, but we can't expect this to happen from Matt. He's not that kind of guy, which brings the whole "explosive offense" idea into question.

To compare, someone linked a college video of Matt in a throwing competition where, getting a semi running start, only threw the ball 62 yards or so. Yeah, that's a long way, but I haven't seen it do us much good this year.

He's an extremely intelligent QB, and I wouldn't want anyone else, but we're not surrounding him with the right type of talent. We need better O-linemen, and we just traded away a good one for Julio. Love Julio, wouldn't trade him for anything, but right now, those picks we gave up are looking uglier by the day.

3) It seems that good teams are going the way of two receiving threat TEs. This isn't the first time I've mentioned this. Why in the hell is Cam Newton so good? It has a lot to do with Shockey and Olsen, who can both block and catch, and are often on the field at the same time. It would be essentially like us having two Gonzos on the field. That would be just dumb.

The Panthers have Steve Smith (elite WR), Shockey and Olsen at TE, who can both block and catch well, and Legedu Naanee, a Davone Bess type as far as being underrated goes. They also have the best 1-2 RB combo in the nation, and their D isn't terrible.

The two TEs make that happen. One can stay and block, one can run a route. The D will have no idea which one will go out, so they have to account for both. If one stays and blocks, that's one defender who is out of position for the defense of the pass play, and they're both good enough receivers that LB coverage probably still isn't enough for one of them, and there's two of them!

We have Gonzo, who is Superman, but why even have Reggie Kelly or Palmer on the field if you're not going to use them? Does Matt not trust them? If they're open, throw to them! Hell, we threw to Marty Booker at some point in this regime.

Speaking of Marty Booker, what about Kerry Meier? Dude hasn't gotten a single catch this year. It's like we're trying to run a spread out pass attack but without our big possession receiver. It's like we're trying to run two offenses at once, and since we don't know what we're running, we run it so poorly, defenses don't have to defend it worth a darn, we defend it for them.

4) This team has no intensity whatsoever. I remember hearing that Matt was a real fireball on the sidelines, getting his team pumped up. I see no fire from anyone, almost like they don't want to be out there, except for Spoon, who's just a boss. I love his sack celebration. Oh, and Mo Pete for laying a destructo-hammer on Randall Cobb.

Anywho, to the brief edition of the good/bad/etc.

Good

My God, the first half. We looked like a team hellbent on showing everyone we were the real deal, and boy, did they convince a lot of people. 

Bosher's kickoffs. You kicked them 5-6 yards deep in the endzone every time that I watched. That's an improvement.

Kickoff coverage, good job containing Cobb. You held the Packers to miserable field position most of the night, but it's too bad because it didn't matter, thanks to

Bad

Second half defense. I said it a couple times in the game threads, but this game felt so eerily similar to the playoff game to me. We could not stop the Packers offense. They had a couple timely (for us) drops, and we held them out of the end zone, but you could just tell that the freight train was going to come eventually. And it did, just like in the playoff game. The Falcons teased us a bit by being in the game early, but I'm not so sure we were ever in it. The only difference is that we played a bit better than in the playoffs, but clearly, Rodgers had no problem destroying our defense.

Ugly

Second half offense. After blowing the water out of Lake Lanier, you decided to take a vacation. The entire offense gets the blame from me, from Smitty, to Mularkey, to Matty, to the rest of them. Stupid penalties won't win in this league, neither will going stale in the second half. None of you get a pass from me, especially Sam Baker.

Matt's deep ball. I forgot last night that Julio and Ryan spent all summer together learning the playbook and, more than likely, playing pitch-and-catch. Yet, their deep connection has been rough, if only because Julio has had to sacrifice himself for the ball every time it's thrown up there. That won't cut it. That won't get teams to respect the deep ball. We need to actually complete it more often.

Bosher's punting: Mike Smith actually praised Bosher yesterday, saying "the arrow is pointing up". While Bosher was a bit better, a lot of it was still ugly. Urgh.

Game MVP: My MVP goes to Spoon, who had a sack and a couple good pass deflections. He's playing really well this year.

Image of the game: This image is the embodiment of Atlanta sports.

In a word: Rematch.

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I'm not panicked.

We’ve only lost 3 games with 11 left, we just gotta get it together.

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by Ball Hawk on Oct 10, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I'm not overly worried.

I am worried, because I don’t think we’re a good football team right now.

That can change, though. We’re plenty capable.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good article

but I don’t agree on the TE section. There are many examples where teams only have one good receiving TE, some are NO, IND, SD, GB and a few others. I’m not worried about this as it would not improve our O as MM can barely handle one TE now.

I am baffled by Meier’s lack of playing time.

by mwalex on Oct 10, 2011 4:29 PM EDT reply actions  

GB , IND, and SD counteract that by throwing it all over the field.

Rodgers threw it to what, 12 or 13 different people last night? Indy (Peyton’s Indy) does something similar. I can name 7 or 8 people he throws it to. SD’s the same way.

The Patriots run two TEs, and they don’t really spread the ball around much from what I’ve seen. It’s usually Branch/Welker/Gronk/Hernandez with a heavy dose of BJGE on the ground, along with some of the rookie Stevan Ridley.

But you are right, a lot of teams do it with just one. It was just something I noticed.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

that's the problem with Ryan

he can’t survey the field with many receiving weapons

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by Gemini-RU on Oct 11, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

There seems to be something missing from the last 3 years

We are not a cohesive unit, we draw a lot of penalties, we shoot ourselves in the foot. Something is wrong with the passion on this team. I think thats one of the things thats missing. Lets put the play calling and players out of it for a minute. When Atlanta came out in the First Half in the game against Green Bay. They had passion, fire, anger, and was aggressive! Then in the Second Half – it was like – oh well – whatever. There must be some type of conflict in the locker room that we the fans don’t know about to cause such a dramatic change. Now back to everything else. We are a good team that’s hurting itself with conflicts with play calling and coaching. The players seems to have each other’s backs and always share a successful play. But is there someone on the coaching staff that is secretly undermining this team in order to get Mike Smith’s job. Maybe MM or BVG might have been trying to bring this to Arthur Blank’s attention and it’s waying heavily on the team.

by Antonio Grimes on Oct 10, 2011 4:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Especially from MM and BVG

I bet when they go in for halftime and they pull out those same plays – I bet you the team is like ’Oh sh*t! Their they go with those 3 years ago plays! Might as well give up now.

by Antonio Grimes on Oct 10, 2011 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Panthers are 1-4

We don’t need to be looking at them for answers.

by VenomySnicket on Oct 10, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Losing record doesn't mean we can't learn something.

Look at their games.. they have a losing record but took alot of those teams to the wire. Their offense puts up yards by the fist full while ours has sucked royal. If you think they have nothing to teach us then you are very sadly mistaken and would/will probably be surprised when they beat us. With a marginally better defense Carolina could easily be undefeated right now.

by Falcons Fan in WA on Oct 10, 2011 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't speak so soon...

This game is not a gimme. They are capable of beating us.

by FalconsFansincePrimetime on Oct 10, 2011 8:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well written, and I enjoy your work, however

you sir, have a case of the butthurt right now.

Last year’s team was a lucky 10-6 that sucked it in and wore 13-3 around before being exposed.

This year’s team is something around 10-6 with none of the benefits of being a dark horse or having a light early schedule.

It’ll be OK, sir. I have hugs available if you need them.

by Godfrey on Oct 10, 2011 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I only speak it how I see it. Nothing more, nothing less.

You can keep your “butthurt” wherever you are.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Mike Smith's time in Atlanta has suggested to us that he presents the same face to the media that he does in the locker room?

I’m quite certain he’s made his players aware this team has a losing record.

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by Jason Kirk on Oct 10, 2011 4:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the real lack of anything that has changed to this point

suggests something is different, at the very least. He’s even less fiery on the sidelines, from what I can tell.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the way I see it right now

I can’t see this football team as a playoff team. There’s no one problem that’s holding us back from getting the job done. If there were just one issue, I’d have some faith that we’d be able to correct it. When it’s a failure on several different levels, like the Falcons are experiencing right now, the coaches can’t pin everything down to get fixed. And the more problems you have, the it’s indicated that your team is experiencing a systematic failure.

It’s weak play calling. We have almost no deceptiveness in our game plan, and we’re running a lot of vanilla routes. We’re not even successfully running quick slants and hitches. We’re not running enough screens and draws to slow down the pass rush (which I honestly value-the threat of deception is always important), and on the few occasions we do run them, they’re not that great. We ran one single draw play last night, and one single screen, and neither were extremely successful.

It’s also the quarterback. Matt’s got to make more accurate throws, he’s got to do a better job of realizing when he does have time and when he doesn’t, and when he needs to step up in the pocket, or scramble away, or throw it away. He’s got to have better overall awareness-sliding after gaining 9 yards on a third down is idiotic, and failing to recognize open receivers is on him.

It’s also the offensive line. The pass blocking got a little bit better, but the run blocking is terrible, and we still have plays where Baker blocks absolutely no one, or where we get Joe Hawley tossed into the backfield. It’s the receivers, dropping passes that they get their hands on, balls that they should catch. It’s the mistakes-the 12 men in a huddle, the holding calls, the stupid personal fouls, the illegal formations. It’s guys failing to attack the ball in coverage, it’s guys failing to recognize how to properly execute zone coverage, it’s failing to properly wrap up when you’ve got a man in your grasp, it’s calling a three man rush on a third-and two. It’s problems at every single level of both offense and defense.

I just don’t see how we could possibly get ALL of this fixed.

My buddy and I just decided that the braves would be set if we could get Matt Kemp, Jose Reyes, and Albert Pujols.

by willlinn on May 17, 2011 2:13 PM EDT

by Bronn on Oct 10, 2011 4:45 PM EDT reply actions  

It's Also

The same problems week after week it’s like they do nothing to try and fix these problems. Our o-line hasn’t improved, we get a lead go all conservative and blow it, MM just sucks, tackling is bad, punter blows. All have been recurrent problems since week 1 and it’s already week 5. Even if we just fixed maybe 1 or 2 things yet every week looks the same.

by Hutch11 on Oct 11, 2011 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

so....

how much did we give up for Julio?? This has been an ongoing thing people bring up and I’m confused….I thought we gotten away with murder with what we had to give up and what we already had. Wasn’t it switching this years first round pick, second rounder this year, first rounder next year, and a fourth rounder next year? Didn’t we have enough drafts where we’d waste picks anyway?

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Oct 10, 2011 4:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I am worried

Because we have shown zero improvement from Pre season to now. This team is all high’s and lows, rarely a middle. We either score a TD or cause a 3 and out or on the flip side 3 and out did us, dumb drive killing penalty or give up 5 3rd and longs en route to a TD. There is no balance anywhere. Finally, Smitty, that arrow pointing up for our putrid punter…how do u figure? Was it his booming 37.8 yard average? Or was it how he pinned the pack at the 18 with a short field to kick from? He should never have been drafted and that you all haven’t brought anyone invto challenge him is just plain stupid. He’s not the next Ray Guy!!

by aces666high on Oct 10, 2011 5:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Not worried

I had us going 2-3 to start going 10-6 for the season with the wild cards being us and the lions. Next year is what scares me. Only 5 picks, no first rounder, Tony is probably gone as well as Abrham, Turner isn’t getting younger, and we have little cap room.

by dirtybirds233 on Oct 10, 2011 5:32 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Dating back to last season, against playoff teams

The Falcons are 6-6, while allowing 305 points.Last year six teams allowed less than 305 points the entire season, the Falcons have done it in those 12 games. Just how explosive and improved has our offense become over the last year with the addition of Julio Jones and a more expolsive mindset? Not at all. Somehow they managed to get slightly worse, averaging 21 points per game where last year they averaged 26, and averaging 338 yards per game (thanks to Michael Turner) where last year they averaged 341. There needs to be a big change, I predicted a 9-7 finish at the start of the season, now I’m thinking I could be closer to being right than I was six weeks ago when I made what seemed like an under bidding prediction.

by dirtybirdy84 on Oct 10, 2011 5:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Not a good team?

Perspective please. The first two drives were things of beauty, misdirection plays, inside shovel passes and the like had the Packer’s front seven heads on a swivel, we just happened to get away from that game plan. Our best pass rusher was injured and we had 4 sacks from Spoon, Peters, Edwards and Sidbury and a couple of other should be sacks (looking at you DeCoud). I mean we held Aaron Rodgers and his 12 weapons to 25 points.

I think a good team with a lot a problems sums it up well starting with management. How many 2 TE sets and power I’s are we gonna run on 1st and 2nd down, leaving us with 3rd and long are we gonna have? Boneheaded penalties also slow us down. Many of our mistakes are correctable, its just a question if we have competent enough coaches to correct that before long.

"We did a lot of good things last year, and now we've got Julio ... That does nothing but improve the offense, and we expect to do better. That's our goal, to lead the NFL in everything. Every offensive category." -Roddy White

by Beachy Keen on Oct 10, 2011 6:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Good teams don't make the same mistakes as us.

The Steelers (widely known as a good, consistent team) have suffered a lot of similar problems. The catch is that their coach did something about it this week by having two padded practices (You’re allowed only 14 a year under the new CBA) and it showed. The Steelers played like the Steelers again.

To this point, even if Smitty has done something, it hasn’t changed much of anything.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that I totally disagree

but it’s simply not a good argument to point to one tactic for one game in one week as a model to move forward.

PIT won at home; a game in which they were favored. Furthermore, they beat a team that lost its main playmaker in Kenny Britt. To credit that solely (as you did above) to two padded practices is ludicrous.

by KMarch on Oct 10, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

They had the worst turnover differential in the league prior to this week. They looked positively awful at times.

They were in the same dump we were, except their coach did something about it. This wasn’t a new problem for them. It’d been going on all season long.

The funny part about what you said is that what I just said came largely from NFL Live. That’s the only reason I knew they changed anything differently this week in practice.

But they did win convincingly, and it did make a difference. I bet the players would agree.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

The question is do we have the ability to make changes

We’ve seen changing the gameplan mid-game has been difficult at times. I’m not confident that the coaching staff is going to change the way they go about anything at this point. Smitty’s regime seems to make changes as swiftly as turning the Titanic. I’m glad we’re not making knee jerk decisions all the time, but sometimes you have to rethink what will really work with the players we have. And it honestly seems more like the coaching staff believes that the gameplan works and it is just not being executed well enough. Granted the execution needs improvement, but the gameplan needs tweaking so we can still pull out a win when things don’t go according to plan.

From the product they’ve put on the field since Smitty has been in town, I believe the game plan is always (in general terms) to out muscle our opponents at the line (I don’t think we have the personnel for that and the loss of Dahl hurts here) and manage the game by dominating the time of possession, which requires running the ball well and developing long time-sucking drives.

Our defensive mind-set is truly the bend don’t break philosophy, where we try to keep the plays in front of us and prevent big plays, relying on the other team to make mistakes. The soft cushion we give is far more effective with a effective pass rush, which we’ve had a hard time generating.

Unfortunately, big-play, quick scoring offenses don’t fit in this gameplan. Which I believe is why we both have difficulty coming from behind and why we struggle to sustain a lead.

The frustrating part is this gameplan falls flat on its face when our offense starts putting up a few 3 and outs. We have to have a high percentage of long drives with points, which is difficult for any team to do. You give any decent team enough chances against a defense that relies on the opposing offense to make mistakes, and they will put up points.

by mln on Oct 10, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

The perfect example of your first paragraph

was the Eagles game when Turner had that huge run. Smitty said something like “We knew it was going to work eventually, we just kept missing one assignment or two. We kept trying it over and over, and then everyone did it right, and we had the huge gain.”

It’s almost like we’re trying to play perfectionist football.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

perfect football

I just think you don’t see adjustments in the gameplan because the coaching staff doesn’t believe the gameplan needs to be adjusted. Take Smitty’s quotes and they consistently discuss lack of execution and mental errors, not a hint that there was anything wrong with their approach to the game. All teams need to execute better, its those that can overcome when it doesn’t go according to plan that seem have the most success. Take the Saints for example, no matter how bad they have been playing in a game, you get the feeling they still always have a chance. Partly bias, because as a fan you are most critical of your own team, but I don’t get that feeling with the Falcons this year.

Our team has the offensive weapons to score quickly, but it just doesn’t fit the gameplan. I also think our secondary is not that bad and could play better if put into a better scheme. We’re not full of superstars from top to bottom, but we have enough talent to at least be a contender each year. I’m really hoping the coaches start developing a strategy that allows the players to be successful, like in the 1st half of the GB game where we used the players we have effectively. We need to be able to overcome mistakes in games and stop using them as excuses. GB could have easily complained about dropped passes, giving up sacks, and some stupid penalties on their part as well………except that they still won.

by mln on Oct 11, 2011 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good Point.

That’s what I"m starting to think. This team has forgotten they are playing a game. It has to be fun, you’ve got to be able to get loose to win at a kid’s game. The comments from our departed punter about “nervous energy” seem to back up this theory.

Have the birds forgotten how to have fun playing football and turned it into a business that must be micro-managed and run to perfection to work? If this is the case then they are gettting the opposite results…sloppy as hell.

Maybe Smith needs to take them to a little league game to remind them that it is a game, it is supposed to be fun.

by Saint's Hater on Oct 11, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

to put that Smitty comment in retrospective

it now sounds kind of stupid. it might have been due to pure luck, not the players finally not missing their assignments. if you keep banging MT up the middle (and everybody KNOWS that we do that on every 1st down!) 20 times in a row, you may end up with something like this:
- 5 plays will run for negative yardage or no gain
- another 10 will be 1-3 yd gains
- 4 may go for 4-10 yds
-and only 1 may be a very long one

problem is, we may not have time to run those 20 plays to take advantage of the law of averages and that one big run. by that time we’d be 3 TD behind

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by Gemini-RU on Oct 11, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wait

Are you using the talking heads on NFL Live to justify that argument? Just because you recycled that argument from someone on TV doesn’t make that point any more valid.

The biggest difference was that they used the quick pass game to get the ball out of Roethlisberger’s hand since he had been holding it for way too long with that horrid Oline. That helped expose a DEF that had played an easy schedule.

In reality, the Steelers played one horrible game, and beat the rest of the teams they were supposed to beat. People act like that loss to Houston was shocking, but half the team got injured in that game.

by KMarch on Oct 10, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would believe what a professional said

who studies the game, whose sole purpose is to study the NFL and, in some cases, who played in the NFL, and who also have access to insider information that I do not have access to. If they’re full of hot air, then you know what, I will take their job and do it better when I get there.

I’m only relaying what I’ve heard, in that case.

Houston’s not as bad as people think. They were poised to make a run at the AFCS this year before Peyton exploded. They’ll certainly give us a run for our money.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sold on the two TE idea but after it was pointed out about Meier

what about running two TE sets on occasion with Meier playing the other spot? He’s got some size (though not as much as most TEs) and can block. You could line him up at TE and split him out if you wanted to. He could be a decoy for TG.It gives us flexibility and unpredictability (I know, curse words to MM). It’s got to be better than running Kelly or Svitek out there. I wouldn’t do it too often, but 4-5 times a game might help if used right.

by drmondo667 on Oct 10, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

How do I love thee? Let me count the ways...

Matt Ryan
Julio Jones
Roddy White
Tony Gonzales
Michael Turner

John Abraham
Jonathan Babineaux
Brent Grimes

Just to name a few…

How do we NOT win?

The guy on SS says that when you have a sword, you fight like a sword fighter but when you have machine guns, you don’t wave them around in the air. You pull the triggers!

I assume he was referring to MM…

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by Redoubt on Oct 10, 2011 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

No doubt.

He just pulled MM’s punk card and took a huge dump on his Man card!

by Antonio Grimes on Oct 10, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd for great analogy

MM is actually trying to stab the opponent with a machine gun

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by Gemini-RU on Oct 11, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

They need to use Ryans strengths

We all know Matty has a decent arm, but not spectacular. We also know he needs a pocket to be accurate, although he throws well on the move. However, it seems our offense is currently geared against our team strengths.

Rather than using quick outs with our speed guys, we send them long when we have no pocket. Rather than using Quizz on the edges to stretch the D, we force it up the middle. Rather than letting a smart QB operate an efficient no huddle, we hamstring him in a huddle system that yields 2nd and 3rd and longs.

The best teams are the ones that make the most out of their talent. At this point, we are squandering ours – on both sides of the ball.

by The DW on Oct 10, 2011 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Panthers have best 1-2 RB combo in the nation?

Caleb – Agree to disagree? They horrendously overpaid Williams this fall and Stewart is good, but hasn’t shown any indication of being able to step up and be a bonafide superstar. I’ll take Sproles and Ingram (and/or Pierre Thomas) in the NO. Or Mathews and Tolbert in San Diego. Or Grant and Starks in GB. Or Foster and Tate in Texas. Or…. you get my point.

But agree with your general anger. Lot of that to go around at a team that appears to have bought into the preseason hype. Which is sad, because for years I ranted that we never get any respect and then when Peter King goes and picks us to win the freaking SUPER BOWL we poop the bed…

by gametheory7 on Oct 10, 2011 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Williams and Stewart

the only RB tandem to rush for 1,100 yards each in the same season. It happened….two years ago, I believe. Both men would start just about anywhere else. Sproles is too gimmicky, and Ingram is a rookie. Both Stewart and Williams can do everything.

SD’s combo might be the only one that would be considered better by some. They’re good.

But I respect your opinion.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right!!

This TEAM is not good!!

We have allot of very talented and very good players in Atlanta but calling them a TEAM right now would just be lie and I Rec’d the article for that point alone.

But Caleb, I think you’re dead WRONG about Mike Smith!! Allot of us here have belabored where we think the faults are and I won’t rehash mine.

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by Blood_Talon on Oct 10, 2011 8:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Mike Smith blames the offensive woes on himself.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/26061/smith-takes-blame-for-atlantas-offense

I don’t expect anyone to agree with that, but still.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 10, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

a good leader knows

Things go well, the credit goes to everyone else. Things go poorly, all the blame is on him.

by falconnuke on Oct 10, 2011 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just finished reading this article

And it would seems that this isn’t the only time that their has been conflict in the locker room over play calling for both the Defense and Offense. I think that the Front Office Is taking heavy notice of this and Mike Smith is trying to calm the waters. It seems that Mike Smith is trying to take the bullets lodged at his Coordinators and basically trying to save their jobs. I think that by the end of this season that we will see a new Defensive Coordinator and Offensive Coordinator. Did anybody notice if Arthur Blank was down on the field like he usually is?!

by Antonio Grimes on Oct 10, 2011 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is what Mike is supposed to do...

He will not give a press conference or an interview and throw his OC or DC under the bus; For example…“Mike Smith: Well our OC sucks and I will probably fire him”.

For one it would bring into question the very decision making process of the FO. Second, AB has already shown he will not tolerate public “Black Eyes”…ala Mike Vick.

So whatever their doing (and hopefully “something”), it is being done in private…as it should be…jmho…

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by Blood_Talon on Oct 11, 2011 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Building on strengths

I don’t understand how the core of this team has been together for 3 years now and is playing at a less consistent level than the 9-7 (injury plagued season). Harvey Dahl ‘s departure and Todd McClure’s injuries cannot be the only reason for such terrible line play. Is Sam Baker mysteriously injured?

Other than that, we have a problem exposed. I’ve felt the Falcons have been a victim of our success, 2 ridiculous seasons record-wise 11-5 and 13-3 after that 4-12 debacle did nothing to help us retool the offense and defense. TD’s done a pretty good job pulling folks together, but draft and free agency have not been especially kind relative to our team age and weaknesses.

by Squigg23 on Oct 10, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Also, what the hell are we doing with Dunta Robinson? Is it a scheme fit or just a horribly bad situation (having to overpay for an only better than average CB in a down free-agent year for that position)?

by Squigg23 on Oct 10, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its absolutely the wrong scheme for him!

BVG is playing him all wrong! This is what scheme Dunta Robinson played for in Houston. Looks like Man and Bump N Run Coverages – not zone and sorry for the music.:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRrSsAbNaXU

by Antonio Grimes on Oct 10, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the clip, that does seem to put things in a different light. For a season and change now we’ve been mis-using a $10million-a-year corner. That has to speak to poor work on the defensive coordinator no?

We knew who we were buying, you adapt system to take into account strengths of your players?

by Squigg23 on Oct 11, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple things:

Regarding the TEs- I don’t think Reggie Kelly is the problem. We brought him in to block because that’s how we have always used our #2 tight end. We really on Tony alot, along with the top two wideouts and RBs on dumpoff passes. Plenty of teams are successful with only one tight end (Jermichael Finley?).

On Mike Smith- I don’t think you can really indict Smitty for last night. Alot of things happened that were beyond his control. Like injuries, tipped passes that became interceptions, and lack of offensive execution. The game plan was a solid one

Otherwise, spot on. I do agree that this team lacks last year’s passion. They’re frustrated and lacking an identity. Timid even, at least on offense. But, they’re still only 1 game back of the Bucs. Not time for the Panic! button just yet.

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by TurnerTheBurner on Oct 10, 2011 9:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Good post Caleb

Not only do Good teams not lose like that, but they don’t lose the exact same way for 5 games. (inconsistency, lack of creativity, penalties, etc.) I think that is my main problem with this team. I don’t mind the losses, it’s the way we are losing, and our apparent inability to correct those mistakes between games.

That’s why this could be serious. Our coaches don’t make adjustments during the game, and they don’t make adjustments between games.

by KEScottII on Oct 10, 2011 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Why are people making an issue out of Ryans arm strength

and why does this pop up all to often? Let’s take last year as an example. Brees and Brady were in the bottom of the league for %deep passes.

Right now Ryans % deep is 16.8. You know the QB’s lower than him? Stafford at 16.1 and Cutler at 16.0%. You people think Rodgers throws deep alot. Nope, his % deep is 17.4. Painter for Indy leads the league at 32.4% deep and how is that working for them?

The issue is not Ryans arm strength. It’s the fact that the O has very few plays in the 15 to 25 yards range. Sure it’s good to stretch the D occasionally but it’s not necessary in order to have a very good passing game.

by mwalex on Oct 10, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I think what it is is that when we do take that shot downfield, it's not very pretty

It’s either underthrown, or floats out of bounds. He doesn’t have a Bart arm but it’s not a noodle either. So it’s the quality not the quantity. I’m hoping it’ll come with time and practice. You’re right, they’re not a necessity but it is a nice extra bullet to have.

by aces666high on Oct 11, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

He can throw it if he gets his feet set

Part of the problem I’ve seen this year is he’s been unable to get his feet set due to the poor offensive line play. Take the 40+ yarder to Julio last week. It came off a play action and Ryan had enough time to get his feet set and unload it – and it was an accurate and tight pass.

by The DW on Oct 11, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I saw him play with BC against GT back in 2006/2007. He had a great deep ball with touch, key was time and protection as well as differing routes. I think the 2 or 3 long passes were flag routes with man coverage.

by Squigg23 on Oct 11, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not so much his deep arm strength.

60 yards is a long way, but he can’t improvise a missile. He has to be fundamentally sound to throw a missile, otherwise he throws a duck. QBs like Cutler and Stafford, both of whom played tonight, have such strong arms, they can be off balance and still throw lasers.

It’s not a knock on Matt’s arm strength, it’s just that he doesn’t throw as well off his back foot like some QBs.

Plus it’s not even a big issue. It’s a really small one, if that.

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 11, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think in the "fans"

minds it’s becoming a bigger issue. The term “explosive” is very open ended and can conjure images of a large number of deep passes. I think that people expected Ryan to throw deeper and more often with the addition of JJ. I also think that was/is unrealistic since JJ is a rookie and MM doesn’t scheme that way.

by mwalex on Oct 11, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed on the confusion over explosive

I’d also add that I’m not sure MM knows how to do explosive. Everything I’ve seen this season is either long shots down field or check downs. As you noted earlier, the higher-percentage 15 to 25 yard passes are missing, and those help open the rest of the field and widen the lanes for the running game.

by The DW on Oct 11, 2011 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

He really can’t throw a deep ball and hit the receiver in stride. I’m sure they work on this, but the fact that we haven’t seen it yet in the game….is a little dissapointing. Teams recognize this and could present some problems. I watch Brees and he has great accuracy but not a long ball guy. What I mean by that is, he throws deep, but it’s usually just beyond the safties down the middle…kinda like Rodgers just hit Jones down the middle..
It seems like we always throw the deep ball down the sidelines and he waits a little late and tries to air it out 50+ yards..? that is difficult. He needs to give the receiver a chance.

by Fa1cons on Oct 11, 2011 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He might not be doing what's called "Throwing his receiver open"

which is essentially over throwing him a little bit to give him a chance. I have no doubt Julio is fast enough to break away from a DB if he gets lead a little bit. And if he’s not fast enough, well, we’re truly screwed then. hah

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 11, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yup

He does appear to be fast enough, atleast from what i’ve seen so far. I also just think we could run some routes with double moves to get him open. I know they have been scared of this because of our O-Line issues, but it works for everyone else. Thats what Jones ran on his breakaway and saints run them all the time. Not just a straight line vertical everytime.
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by Fa1cons on Oct 11, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh no...

he over throws his receivers…allot. That little hit aside, I do understand what you’re saying though.

MR was thrust upon a starting QB role, he had little choice in the matter and in that respect, I think he has done a phenomenal job for a QB who never had the benefit of a “Joe Montana” or “Bret Farve” to learn under (hell, he didn’t even have a bad QB to learn under).

Seriously, how much of Aaron Rodgers play as a QB (now) came from playing under Farve (then)? I would say, allot!! Watching all those great games and learning from all those mistakes made by someone else. Farve did throw the ball to the defense an awful lot in his career, INT’s were definitely his weak area. And what is one of Rodgers strongest areas? He doesn’t throw allot of INT’s…and he really does have one of the better play action moves in the league (that he learned from Farve as well).

Matt will still have some growing pains to deal with, he will be in Atlanta for a looooong time to come and for someone basically learning on his own, I think he is GREAT!!

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by Blood_Talon on Oct 11, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's a good point.

Even Brady learned under Bledsoe, who was pretty good back in the day if I remember right.

Flacco and Sanchez are also having similar struggles, and they were put in similar situations. Bradford as well. The only one who hasn’t really struggled this year has been Stafford, but Georgia’s offense is a pro-style offense, and he has been injured (and thus, has had time to learn from someone else)

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by Caleb Rutherford on Oct 11, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

plus he has megatron

and a solid defense

Atlanta will win a championship....someday

by maxxj3 on Oct 11, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

losers

is there any way we can take a forefite on the next 4 games , so we can attened minie camp and relearn the offence , realy we look rediculous out there , guess we won;t make it 4 years in a roe to good to be true

by east side steve on Oct 11, 2011 7:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Coaches

If people dont think coaching staff doesnt make a dfference see SF, were to soft no energy except from spoon thats all that needs to be dixed

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