The Chris Owens Question: Should He Stay Or Should He Go?
With a day to dull the pain, I want to talk about Chris Owens. Don't worry, I'm wearing a bulletproof vest at my keyboard.
After Owens committed a pair of egregious pass interference penalties and generally looked overmatched versus the Packers, there was an immediate hue and cry for the Falcons to cut him. It was an understandable reaction, one sparked by the image of Owens mugging a Packers receiver in the end zone, an image that is burned into my retinas.
I'm going to advocate for Owens in this post. I'm doing so understanding that his 2010 play hasn't warranted it, and that I don't have the flotilla of statistics to back it up. But I am convinced that Owens will, at the very least, be a decent nickel back in the NFL someday, and he's still young.
I look back to the 2009 Bills game, when Owens blanketed Terrell Owens and made a pick, as an example of what he's capable of, inferior competition notwithstanding. I see the Packers game as more or less the worst he can do. Somewhere in between is the Owens Falcons fans will see on a regular basis, and that's an average to above average option.
Let's face it: Decent cornerbacks don't grow on trees. Owens is certainly better than Chevis Jackson, the lead-footed corner who the Falcons cut ties with in the off-season. There's no guarantee that Brian Williams will return this upcoming season. I think the Falcons need to continue to bolster the depth chart, but you can't eternally pick up mid-round cornerbacks and wait for them to develop. Better to work hard to make Owens into the cornerback they want him to be than to cut ties and start over with a rookie. Unless Dominique Franks explodes into glory in 2011, the Falcons will need their 2009 third rounder.
Thankfully, the Falcons haven't put me in charge of any decisions of that magnitude, so Owens' fate is in better hands. Debate.
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Split decision?
My heart says cut him. My gut says keep him. My head says it depends on free agency/draft options/franks development.
by FLA_Falcon on Jan 17, 2011 8:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I don't know.
Jackson looked good in 2008, Owens looked good in 2009. There’s no point in cutting him now. Wait until camp.
It's so hard to say
because it boils down to scheme or talent. Owens has talent and skills, more than enough to play DB every Sunday. This was his first year trying to get use to the nickel position and like mr92687 said that is different than standard DB play. Also, getting thrown out there against Rodgers is going from the frying pan to the meat grinder.
Until BVG shows that he can call a defensive scheme I’ll have a hard time laying any blame on the defensive players.
by mwalex on Jan 17, 2011 9:46 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
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I had the same thought. It’s tought to separate scheming errors and individual mistakes, unless they’re obvious.
Owens was plain bad last saturday, but it’s a function of many things:
- lack of playing experience in 2010 and having to start in such an important game
- defensive scheming which emphasized coverage while rushing only 3
- Rogers being hot
While its tough to say (once emotions subdued) Owens should go, based on his limited playing experience in 2010 (and I wonder if we’d say the same stuff if BWilliams screwed up), but he’s starting to look like Tie Hill – so much promise, little result.
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He had a bad game, albeit was an important game
I agree there is a difference in nickel and other corner positions. We’ll develop him for another season and pick up another corner. We have more pressing positions to deal with.
by CollegePark4Life on Jan 17, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions
Keep him
CO still has plenty of potential and I firmly believe with some solid coaching can learn to play the nickel effectively. At worst he’s an inexpensive option on the depth chart and at best he has demonstrated the ability of a future Pro-Bowler. From where I sit that’s win-win.
by AErskine on Jan 17, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I really don't see the team making a knee jerk reaction.
One or two horrific losses don’t negate the quality of play we had ALL year long. So we found our weaknesses, adding a couple of quality guys to the roster and asking others to RISE UP or sit down sounds like a macro plan too me. Micro I’m afraid is the tough part. Potential difficulties I see would be keeping our O Line in tact, keeping TG around for one more year and making some tough cuts to make room for new blood. TD and MS will judge them by their total body of work. That being said shouldn’t our Defense be a bit further along? BVG needs to do some soul searching. I believe our offense needs the deep threat and some play calls to complement. Minor adjustments in our offensive philosophy and personel should do fine. Our defense has no identity. I can say there was a major difference when Lofton was injured. Chris Owens…….. Damn I dont know what to say, except the loss wasn’t all his fault. That shite was a group effort.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 17, 2011 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
We gave up on 100% of our defensive 3rd downs.
Completely BVG’s fault. No adjustments were effective. I really don’t blame Matt he was never really given a chance by the D. Had we been running the no huddle early on we may have seen a shoot out instead of a blowout. 49 points, jeez.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 17, 2011 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We saw it in the Saints game and we saw in on Saturday
Have a third and long against the Falcons, and a receiver can go up the middle uncovered for a 12 yard reception. Every. Time. At a certain point, that’s a scheme issue, not personnel.
by kman_722 on Jan 17, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Every zone has a soft spot that WR's look for
Unfortunately, in BVG’s zone that soft spot is the entire middle of the field. I hope to the gods he’s gone next year but I know the chances of that are slim. He is still playing with the mindset that this team is the team from 1-2 years ago. His playing not to lose instead of playing to win schemes are going to keep our young players running in place in terms of their development. As for the Owens thing, remember what we thought of Grimey a couple of years ago. He may not develop into a solid CB but he already is a good, hard hitting ST guy.
by aces666high on Jan 17, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
I honestly quit believing we’d hold them on third down every single time. It’s so demoralizing as a fan, I can’t even imagine how it must feel as a player.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
He wasn't the only one...
By this logic we should take a vote on cutting Matt Ryan as he had as much to do as anybody pushing the snowball down the hill; the game was pretty much over when he threw one of the most demoralizing pick 6’s in playoff history. Owens has been very good on special teams and is one of the better tackling DBs they have although he missed a wide open sack as well as having the penalties. That being said it seemed like half the D missed wide open sacks. It was a horrendous showing by the D from BVG on down.
Your right.
He was not prepared. He has played well everywhere else. He looked lost out there. But picking up another DB in the draft is a must. BW has gone down two years in a row now.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 17, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Before the game was totally lost, he was fine.
You don’t go 20/28 against a secondary that good and look lost while doing it. Yeah, he had a pair of picks. I’m convinced the Jenkins end zone pick would’ve been an incompletion at worst if Jenkins hadn’t fell down. The pick 6 would never have happened, either.
Plus, he made some good throws. Roddy was open at times, much like their WRs were, but we didn’t get any chances from the D. It really sucks.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
I was talking about Owens being lost.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 18, 2011 12:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It was clear he was trying to be physical in coverage
especially in those goal-to-go situations. He clearly just didn’t have the nuanced training on how to be physical w/out being overtly obvious about it. It makes me wonder about Tim Lewis, b/c I don’t remember any of our CBs being physical at the point of attack this year. Grimes and Dunta have natural skills that help them fight once the ball is in the air, but we hardly ever jam a WR off his line. We’ve got to start doing this, esp. against great QBs. This is clearly a schematic problem, and not necessarily a personnel issue.
Owens is young, has shown tremendous potential, and has regressed in a different position. Give the guy time. And let’s hope he, Peria, Moore, Decoud, HD, and our other young players and soon-to-be-rooks really keep progressing hard.
Good point about Tim Lewis
and not jamming is probably why the underneath completion rate was so high. I wonder if the non-bumping is because of concerns about S coverage? If so that should be fixable with adjustments to the scheme, well BVG is a problem there.
I saw a few attempts at "jamming" by our guys during the season
Jamming in quotes because they were horrible doing it. They’d usually get one hand on the guy and then would end up in pursuit 8 yards behind them. But it’s something we didn’t do enough in the year to improve on at all.
by aces666high on Jan 17, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
That's scheme. It's not a DB thing at all.
Dunta played so far off because he likely had to keep his man in front of him so the safeties could help others. Truthfully, you would only do that with someone like Revis or Asomugha, so the fact that his numbers were so close to Asomugha’s should tell you that he was worth the money (only 25 of the 56 million or whatever is was is guaranteed, by the way. If I recall correctly, Matt Ryan’s rookie contract was worth more. GG rookie contracts)
That is, of course, assuming his numbers were similar to Asomugha’s, but I’m pretty sure that’s been echoed a few times more around here.
Usually the jam is called something like “Bump and Run” coverage, which is part of the scheme. The DBs are often smaller than the receivers and can get outreached or outmanned because they’re smaller. It happens.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
Bump and run, jamming at the LOS
Whatever u want to call it, when we did it, it wasn’t pretty. BVG’s scheme, if u want to call it that, was to keep everything in front of the players, so playing off was fine. I was just saying we don’t do it very often, so probably not practiced a lot, equals not a whole lot of bumping but a lot of running!
I don’t remember any of our CBs being physical at the point of attack this year
I do recall our two starting safeties being particularly…angry.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
safeties rarely line up on the LOS
I’m not saying our players aren’t physical. They are good in run coverage. But even our safeties need to get better at reading where the weaknesses in our zone are. Instead, I often think they try to get as deep as possible to minimize the big play.
by KMarch on Jan 17, 2011 5:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I got ya
You might have something there, but you’d think by now they would have it figured out. I think this all goes back to scheming, to be honest.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
Just wanted to take a minute for Dave and express my condolences on the loss.
You guys played great all year, unfortunately you simply ran into the wrong team at the wrong time. Keep your heads up, I look forward to the banter and the battle for the 1 seed again next year. I hope the trolling from my more immature brethren at CSC wasn’t bad.
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Keep Him
Remember, he is a second year player. This was his first playoff game. Williams was the nickleback and a late injury thrust Owens into the nickle position in, again, his first playoff game. I’m sure nerves were flying, and he never really settled down after a few calls went against him and he was burned a few times. We know he has potential, he just had a rough game at the worst time. He will be back, he will be better, and we will be a better team.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 12:26 PM EST reply actions
The name of the game in the NFL is Depth
and you can’t get depth overnight. Covering a WR is a lot harder than BEING a WR. It is is mentally and physically exhausting… unless you are Deion or Dre. Being able to rotate quality (not “shut down”, just quality) corners is a luxury that takes time to develop.
This team has built depth in a lot of places: WR, DT, LB, and we are getting there on the OL. Hopefully this offseason and camp there will be more development of Franks and Owens, just as we all hope Shann can provide a spark in the middle.
Now that it is Monday, we can be proud of our Falcons for winning the NFC South, not losing ANY regular season games “they should have won” and for winning a few “they should have lost.” My pre-season hopes were that they would finish 11-5 with a wild card berth. This is one of the few Falcons teams in history who exceeded my expectations (1998, 2008, 1991).
As a parting shot, I am much more disappointed in BVG and Dunta than in Owens. I hope Owens discovers his role much as JA98 did this season.
(Not using stats here...but)
Bears and Chiefs definitely don’t have what we have. You could argue we’re not using our talent correctly, which is scheming and which makes Roddy’s season all the more impressive.
Pack have better, Pats are similar, but use their MUCH better. Saints have better, Hawks have worse.
Jets have better, but they do it wrong, Steelers….ehh. Mike Wallace makes that WR corps go. He’s so fast, he beats double teams with ease at times.
Eagles have similar scenario with DJax. He opens the field up for everyone else which makes them look better, though I really like Avant. He’s a stud TE.
Colts have better when they’re not all laid out on trainer’s tables with injuries.
Yeah, we were definitely in the bottom chunk, there. The talent is there. Roddy is great, Jenkins is better than people give him credit for, imo. HD has shown flashes, but is never used.
You know what? (Yes, I know many of you have been yelling for this for some time) but I think it’s time for Matty to start throwing 35+ times a game. 28 isn’t enough throws. We need him to let it rip. Heck, he threw 50 times against the Ravens and put on a clinic of a West Coast (COACH MUSGRAVE) Offense.
So we’ll see.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Covering a WR is a million times harder than being a WR, if only because the D has no idea where the WR will go
Which makes a Revis-type an absolute must-have.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Solution: Trade Dunta for Revis
haha I honestly think you would have to put a trigger to Rex Ryan’s head for him to let Revis go. And maybe even then he wouldn’t do it.
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 17, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's done as a Falcon.
He simply looked awful against the Packers.
But not only that, when he started against the Bengals w/ Dunta injured, he was getting LIT UP then too.
If you go back and look at the game film, Palmer literally threw it to Owens side EVERY passing play. Regardless if he was covering TO or Ochocinco, he was getting beat on every play.
The fact that Smitty had BWilliams starting at Nickel and not Owens leads me to believe he just is not an NFL-caliber CB. Sorry guys, but the writing is on the wall.
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 17, 2011 5:06 PM EST reply actions
part of the blame
for Owens failure should be on BvG, but I have a feeling the team may cut/trade Owens but not BvG
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