The Off-Season Begins: Discuss The Needs Of The Falcons
by Dave Choate on Jan 17, 2011 1:00 PM EST
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Yawning before me like a vast abyss, the off-season is a cold, dark, desolate sort of place.
I love the NFL Draft, OTAs, training camp and free agency. There's plenty to talk about during the course of the off-season, but from here until March, it's all other teams winding their ways through the playoffs and the faintest grinding of free agency's wheels and gears. It's a dead zone.
But we know these Falcons. I seriously doubt we're going to run out of things to talk about, after the way the season went and the post-season ended. So let's start the conversation right now.
This is going to inform a lot of posts here over the next several weeks, so I welcome your thoughtful thoughts. Basically, we're discussing what the Falcons have to do this off-season to improve the team.To simplify it, tell me what three positions you'd focus on if you were in Thomas Dimitroff's genius shoes for a few months. We'll turn those into posts on those needs and a look at free agents and rookies who might be able to make a difference.
After the jump, find my take.
Wide Receiver/Tight End
I expect violent disagreement from some quarters, but I firmly believe that the Falcons must improve the offense. The best way to do that is to get more weapons for Matt Ryan.
With Roddy White fighting off chronic injury issues from mid-season on, the Falcons had to lean on their other options. Michael Jenkins was solid, Brian Finneran was great situationally and Harry Douglas stepped up on rare occasions, but this wasn't a receiving corps that struck fear into anyone. Worse, Tony Gonzalez morphed into a possession threat, and his fabled ability to muscle his way into open space has apparently reached its half-life.
Coupled with Mike Mularkey's play calling, which trended toward conservative throughout the season, the Falcons ended up with a quality short passing attack that was woefully inadequate when the Falcons needed to stage a comeback. When Roddy and Jenkins were covered, the deep game basically disappeared with them.
It doesn't necessarily have to be in the first round, but the Falcons should seriously consider addressing this through the draft. They desperately need an explosive threat to pair with White, someone to take pressure off everyone else and draw coverage deep.
Of course, if they think Douglas, Kerry Meier, Michael Palmer or someone else is capable of doing that, then I guess the Falcons will stand pat. I don't see that being a realistic option.
Defensive End
I see this as a need even if Lawrence Sidbury undergoes a rapid evolution from benched amoeba to pass rushing T. Rex. The Falcons only have John Abraham under contract one more year, and Kroy Biermann had a few really nice plays but didn't exactly light the world on fire as a starter in 2010. Chauncey Davis and Jamaal Anderson are solid depth and nothing more.
One need only look to the Packers game to see why a good pass rush is crucial. The Falcons got minimal pressure all day and weren't able to close on at least three sack opportunities, highlighting the need for a consistent threat off the edge to complement Abe and Jonathan Babineaux inside.
Again, this isn't something the Falcons necessarily have to do in the first round. Having an effective part-time pass rusher with room to grow would be an excellent complement to the team's existing personnel. I'm all about it.
Offensive Line
This one is borne out of necessity. The Falcons cannot possibly re-sign Justin Blalock, Harvey Dahl and Tyson Clabo. At best, they'll be able to get two out of three, and at this point I really have no idea which two they'll go hard for.
So that leaves the Falcons needing to find a new starter somewhere along the line. They've got Mike Johnson, Garrett Reynolds and practice squad hero Jose Valdez in the fold, among others, so the replacement might be on the roster. The Falcons have shown a preference for depth, however, and they may want a sure-fire starting caliber guy out of the draft. I could see them looking line early.
My preference would be to keep Blalock and Clabo, letting Dahl walk. Love the guy, but I felt like the other two had the better 2010 campaign and are more likely to keep that going in the future.
Those are my thoughts. Weigh in.
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New DC now!!!!
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 17, 2011 1:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NEW DC NOW!!
I agree with Ball Hawk
He has been getting out coach all season. Mike Smith need to drop his friend and bring someone else in that can do the damn job!!
Really I was joking.
But we need to get him some help cause it’s not cutting it. Do coaches change styles?
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 17, 2011 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
its EITHER OC - OR- DC
setting emotions aside, there were moments when both MM and BvG looked awesome this season. and yet there were times they looked mediocre at best. the GB game was perhaps one of the few where they BOTH looked awful.
the truth is, I have a feeling that we simply cannot continue employing the same offensive ideology while we have this kind of defense, and vice versa. and for that purpose, we should not retain MM. or BvG. we can’t keep them both. the thing is, MM is good in scheming a slowly (but surely) moving run and short pass-oriented offense that kills the clock. but that offense fails if it’s accompanied by defense that suddenly gives up lots of yardage, and (baring miracles in the form of TOs, or emotional goal line stands)points – it can’t play catch up.
conversely, our D fails if offense cant find its rhythm and score points. it’s not a Pittsburg defense that can win the game even if offense doesn’t show up.
in other words, we have to figure out what we want – and better sooner than later.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
I dunno, I thought they worked together pretty well
Meaning that the methodical Offense was partially designed to protect the still shakey Defense. Of course, we thought the D had made enough gains by the end of the season to stand on its own, and apparently that wasn’t the case. When the Offense sputters or turns the ball over AND the Defense completely collapses, we have no shot to win the game anyway…
Having said that, if we’ve got to vote for one to go – I say it’s MM. I’m ready for a shift in philosophy on Offense (though I’m not sure we have the horses at WR to go all-out passing).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
here's my point
if the D collapses, our offensive ideology, even if executed perfectly, won’t help. if the opposing offense scores a TD on nearly every possession, our offense must do the same. and as it was already pointed out, our offense is not built for shootouts.
everybody kept saying how awesome Rogers was in this game. well, last year, they scored 45 (a FG away from last saturday’s 48), and still lost! simply because Kurn Warner kept hitting his receivers for long gains and killed them in their own game.
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
First off...our coaching staff is remaining the same. Mike Smith said so himself.
So I think one of the things that needs to be addressed is the defensive scheme. I think it was originally designed to hide the individual weaknesses of so many of our players, but I think they’ve outgrown it, so we can use a big-boy scheme now.
Personnel-wise…I think our needs include: a playmaking TE, to replace what Tony was, a change-of-pace RB, a G who can get some good push in the running game, a DE who can spell Abe, and depth at the LB and CB positions.
Personally, I see us drafting the TE, the RB, and the DE in the first few rounds. Later in the draft we work on depth with LB and CB. The G situation could go one of two ways, but either way I think Dahl is gone. They may think Mike Johnson is ready to replace him, or they feel like they can get a better G in free agency. I don’t think we need to have too many young lineman on the team.
You're right Orion, that damn staff will remain untouched
Sad but true. Now the big ? is, can these 2 dinosaurs evolve with the talent we have? The answer is a big fat who knows. They’ve shown flashes of maybe they can and full games of no they can’t. I disagree on TG’s decline. I think he was a casualty of the inept schemes of MM. How many times did we see him grab a 4 yard pass this season? He became an overqualified safety valve. Partly because Turner can barely catch a ball, partly because for some reason we don’t like the fact that Ovie can catch and run over people and partly because MM doesn’t like to use Snelling on anything other than 3rd and longs. The lack of outside the box thinking is maddening. Hell, it’s not even outside the box thinking! It’s football 101! We have great short and mid range weapons which we don’t use well at all. We have no deep threats period. Jenks and Roddy are nice but they’re not burners. Jury is still out on HD but he’s not a true wideout. Ryans arm is a problem. He’s accurate on short and mid stuff but doesn’t have a cannon. Hopefully that arm strength will come as he develops. We’re drafting pretty late so the top flight pickings are gonna be slim but I do worry about drafting a pass rusher w/our first rounder. So damn hit and miss.
You touched on something
Why is MR’s arm strength a concern all of a sudden? He CAN throw the deep ball. But the scheme rarely calls for the deep ball. So how do we know he doesn’t have what he needs for the scheme we run? At BC he threw deep a lot.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
I think he's gotten stronger since he got here. He's thrown some lasers lately.
His deep ball accuracy may not be the best, but he can rifle it downfield with the best of them….we just don’t do it.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
Are you sure?
Can you point to a specific example of MR throwing a deep ball that was actually on time and on target???? Because I sure haven’t seen many if any at all. I can give you ample examples of poorly under-thrown, over-thrown, and late deep balls though. Let’s look no further than the INT in the end zone Saturday night. Horribly under-thrown and that was only a 30-35 yard pass. And while the pick on the last play of the 1st half was more of a poor decision than weak throw, it was still weak. I just don’t see the strong arm that so many others see. And as I’ve said before, 99% of starting NFL QBs can throw the ball 50+ yards. The trick is throwing it accurately, on time, and in step with the receiver. I’m beginning to think MM has been protecting exposing MR’s weak arm.
Roddy's TD in the bengels game
that was a deep ball if I remember, and pretty accurate as well
I wish I remembered which article it was
but in the AJC, Dunta was quoted as saying Matty launched one ball 70something yards in practice during the middle of the season and was totally shocked because he had no idea he could throw that far.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, he has some accuracy issues on deep balls
But in ‘09 he was still above average on “Deep” passes (the numbers are in Football Outsiders Almanac 2010, I’d have to look it up). Also, that 10-12 yard sideline Comeback route that MM loves so much requires a very strong (and accurate) arm… considering distance of the drop-back plus hash-to-sideline, it’s a 25+ yard throw, and Ryan makes that one about 15 times a game.
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Well, Andy Reid said Sean McDermott would be back with the Eagles right after their game, and he's out on the street now
I think the staff will probably remain the same, though.
And I agree 100% with everything else you said.
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lol
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Ryan Broyles
he is best fit for the falcons. Devir Posey is next on my list, DeAndre Brown, and then Terrence Toliver
Broyles in interesting
Brown is HUGE but seems like his broken leg might have ruined his career, also comments about him having bad hands are a worry. Toliver doesn’t really have the numbers to impress.
Can we not get any love for Leonard Hankerson out of Miami? He’s a big kid that is pretty fast with decent hands.
What round is Hankerson expected to go in?
Or Titus Young?
by FlyYouFalcons on Jan 17, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
According to CBS Sports
Hankerson is the #7 WR and expected to go in rounds 2 – 3. Young is the #10WR going in round 3. The combines could move either up or down.
Hankerson is a poor man's Michael Jenkins
Think I’m kidding? Look at some tape of each in college. I think Jenkins is actually faster too. If you want an upgrade over Jenkins, which I’m not completely sold on being necessary yet, Hankerson is not going to be the guy
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think he did
If he didn’t, I have no idea why a team would spend a first round pick on a WR who can’t run a 4.5
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't say did
I sais does not. The comment was made that MJ is faster than Hankerson. If he is at least as fast then I drop my suggestion.
Hankerson doesn't look fast
I actually like Hankerson (I watched him have a huge game against Tech) but I don’t think he will provide the maximum upgrade we can get with a second round pick, if he is still around when we pick
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Jenkins USED to be fast
but the word was the Falcons brought in Joe Horn because the work ethic of White and Jenkins was so poor. White caught the drift, not sure if Jenkins ever did.
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by 66fredo99 on Jan 17, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Tolliver is pretty good.
I’m an SEC guy so I’ve gotten to watch him play. He’s always seemed to make the big plays down there at LSU.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
If you want a playmaker, look at the guy from Indiana
He is big, and he is the best player on an awful team. I was impressed with the little I saw of him. Check him out, he could also be around in the midrounds.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Tanden Doss
He’s a beast of a WR with great hands, great size and ability to get separation. He’s not a speed guy unfortunately.
What 2 upgrade
IMO Kroy Biermann is a good guy and all but not starter material… too small, ends up on the ground too often. The only reason why the kid starts is because of the BUST that is Jamal Anderson. First and foremost we need a true pass rushing DE opposite Abraham. Not sure if Sidbury is gonna evolve into a pro caliber player or not…can’t even make the active roster. Second IMO I would let Harvey Dahl walk also and plug in Johnson or Reynolds at RG. WE must acquire a speed WR with a little size to him and a speedy RB that can catch the ball.
add talent
i think DB is a priority brian williams is a free agent and owens does not look like the answer .after that DE is a must if sidsbury is not ready free agency is the route to go edwards : johnson or kiwanuka. WR with real speed or aTE zack miller of oakland is a free agent and in my humble opioin at the moment one of the top 5 TES in the league.
by scottishfalcons on Jan 17, 2011 1:27 PM EST reply actions
Im wanting Devine in the draft
I dont know why, just a slight man crush.
Its dissapointing HD hit the bump in his future, with the injury, he looked promising.
And Sidburry and Biermann are obviously not the answer.
Until the draft Im going
to be dreaming about getting Julio, or signing Nnamdi in FA.
by FlyYouFalcons on Jan 17, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
fsalary cap
anyone know what cap space the falcons have?
by scottishfalcons on Jan 17, 2011 1:34 PM EST reply actions
they are in the middle of the pack
Pat Y did a break down of this a few weeks back. But salary cap will likely be adjusted heavily after a CBA is agreed upon. Dont expect a lot of FA spending though, unless Blank gets impatient.
by KMarch on Jan 17, 2011 1:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
under 100 million
somewhere around 97-98 million
by Whyte Bler 000 on Jan 17, 2011 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
DE and WR are big ??'s.
What IS the score with El Sid? We fans have horrible man-crushes on him, comparable only to the one we collectively had for William Moore.
I like how Moore turned out – if Sidbury can become THAT player, I have hope that DE is happy.
Likewise with WR – was Douglas EVER used the way we thought he would be? Is he still recovering from that knee surgery? If this was a physical limitation, then having him at Lightspeed Receiver does a lot for our depth. With Kerry Meier filling Finn’s shoes (not to mention the awesomeness which is Eric Weems), our WR depth should be good and young.
I do not see a “change of pace” RB being a 1-3rd round priority for The Comrade. I could be wrong, but I do not know that MM would know what to do with a Reggie bush type player.
I completely agree about the change of pace RB
There were times when Norwood was healthy and MM did not use him well at all. If MM stays as the OC, I think a change of pace RB would be a waste of a pick.
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by armchair quarterback on Jan 17, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, I like
Mike Mularkey. Guess I’m the only one here who does. Well, Mike Smith does. LoL
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AGREED
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I had made up my mind
Before even getting to Dave’s suggestions, and I’m happy to say they match perfectly. However, we need to be realistic that, no matter how much we improve, we can’t expect the next step of progression until our offensive and defensive schemes progress as well.
I was impressed with Ryan in the 5 WR sets in the GB game. Admittedly, GB wasn’t likely playing their hardest, but thats still something I would like to see much more of next year. On DEF, I want to see more man coverage, including bump-and-run.
by KMarch on Jan 17, 2011 1:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well. here we go again....
…but I’d like to congratulate the Falcons on a great season. Overall, 13-4 ain’t that bad. But Aaron Rodgers was RIDICULOUS. Even the GB blogs admit it. But it was a shocker and deeply disappointing way to go out, but a brief PERSPECTIVE POINT: the Patriots are feeling worse. That said…
- We need a TE with the ability to get YAC. Love Tony G, but he’s at possession-receiver status and our offensive threat needs are greater. GB’s receiving corps are the class of the league. Can’t beat ’em – join ’em.
- I’d like to nominate Eric Weems as our the answer to our slot receiver problems. Great in-traffic runner and he can catch. No sure how good he is a catching in traffic, but give him some space in the flats or slants and let him do the rest.
-Pass Rush issues. Free Agent grab of a DE. We still are no serious threat to opposing QBs. A few are available should the labor agreement not disrupt player movement.
- The following players must go now due to ineffectiveness or injury: Chris Owens, Jerious Norwood, Brian Williams, Brian Finneran, Harry Douglas, and Michael Jenkins.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Uhh Michael Jenkins?
Harry Douglas had some drops after a year outta football.
Jerious,Finn, and Brian Williams, were probablly gone anyways.
Owens was bad in the playoff game, but he hasnt played all season…
by FlyYouFalcons on Jan 17, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Jenkins
Past his prime. Not a threat anymore. An oversized possession receiver with limited YAC. Has always had questions about his work ethic. As Roddy’s game has improved, the #2 guy’s has to as well. Hasn’t happened. Same ol’ Jenk. HD is undersized and understrength. Watching Wes Welker last nite told me volumes about what we should be looking for. Then it occured to me that we already had a slot in Eric Weems. A Percy Harvin type that can do several things. Special teams, screens, slants. Look at how Hester has evolved.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
So you want to go into next season with
Roddy, Weems, and 3 rookies at WR?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Rookies?
So only rookies will be available? White, Weems, and go free agent. Gonzalez can stay. But realize his limitations. People with inferior talent like Celek, Olsen, and Gronkowski are racking up the YAC. So, yeah, it’s time to bust up this party.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
there is no Free Agency until the CBA gets resolved
if it lingers into summer (or beyond), that’s really going to make it hard for Ryan to get on the same page as an incoming WR
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
True.
If no CBA, we’ll stand pat with what we got, obviously. Unless some 3rd or 4th rounder in the draft at the 27th pick is available. Dimitroff has shown much creativity and insight.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
I would not call
Olsen or Gronkowski inferior talent.
This is another case of talent vs OC. Two of the three years TG has been with ATL his YPC have dropped. That is a coaching/scheme issue.
by mwalex on Jan 17, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would
TG has dropped off noticeably from his super-athletic Chiefs days. You don’t think so?
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by 66fredo99 on Jan 17, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, his numbers have gone down
but he can still get down the field and get good separation. He had games this year where he averaged well over 10 yards per catch. For some reason that’s just not how MM used TG. Based on that I’m not sure a young, talented TE would be an improvement.
There was a reason
Owens didn’t play all season. And he wasn’t hurt. We tried him late in 2009 and he was passable. Got a couple of INTs. Everybody thought he’d improve. Still looked like a rook in the GB game. Still, he’s a great community guy and a team player. Blank loves him. Not sure of that’s what the Falcons need in the secondary though.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Keep Weems on S/T
I don’t want to waste his potential running routes when he’s not going to get the ball thrown to him anyways.
Hmmm....
Harvin and Hester return kicks, punts, catch passes, run reverses. Sounds to me like they’re fulfilling their potential. It’s not a gimmick anymore to have that kind of player. Quite the contrary, it’s an asset.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Weems IS
fast enough. A 4.5 or less, my goodness. It’s not easy to return a kick in the NFL without the ability to read and cut. He can do those things well.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
how about
looking at how Weems would fint into a speedy RB role? I know he’s undersized for that, but he’s fast in traffic and he knows which lanes to run. if we keep him on the field on passing downs he could (in my opinion) be a threat as a runner out of backfield on misdirection plays.
what do you say about that?
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
Finn played great all year
when called on. No way was Jenkins ineffective. He had a very good year and it’s not his fault the ball wasn’t thrown to him. I’d put him at the #3 WR slot, possibly. No way should Owens and Douglas be cut at this point.
If Jenks hadn't been hurt he was on pace to top his career highs in receptions and yardage
The only bad thing I can say about him is he’s peaked. He’ll never be that big time threat. Servicable #2 with some #1 flashes every now and then but that’s all. Past his prime at 28? Nah, but this is as good as it gets.
by aces666high on Jan 17, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take
Jerricho Cotchery over Jenkins any day.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Wow, that's not even a direct comparision
and JC is more expensive. With MM as the OC there is no guarantee that JC would be any better.
Why not?
They’re both #2 receivers, same age, same experience. Both playing for young QBs on dominant teams.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Here is why not
Based on stats and stats alone MJ is the better option
JC – WPA, 0.35; EPA, 6.3; SR,43.7; YPR, 11.4; %target, 16.7; CR, 50.0
MJ – WPA, 1.09; EPA, 28.1; SR, 50.0; YPR, 12.2; %target, 13.5; CR,58.0
MJ12 has a higher success rate, higher yards per reception, targetted less with a higher catch rate. Also, I left it out but MJ is targetted deep almost twice as much as JC. MJ has 47 catches and JC had 48.
This is another case of the grass being greener and it’s just perception. I’d rather have MJ.
Hmmm, why not
add the “big picture” stats that balance the argument?
MJ Catches 276 Total Yards 3512 Avg Yards per game 34.1
JC Catches 358 Total Yards 4514 Avg Yards per game 43.8
They’ve played the exact same amount of games. Started almost the exact same amount of games. Scored about the same amount of TDs. Jenkins may be a bit more of a big play threat. But I’m not stat-head. I just threw Cotchery’s name out off the top of my head. Somebody said there was no comparison. Cotchery’s a chain mover and somebody you have to keep an eye one at all times. Jenkins? Not so much. As far as Mularkey’s offense is concerned, the deep ball threat isn’t Jenkins, it’s White and supposedly HD.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
The difference in numbers is probably due to the
% targetted, which was higher for JC, so I’d expect more yards. That is if that extends through their careers.
Also, you’re wrong on the deep threat in MM offense. Mj is targetted deep (more than 15 yards) 43.2% of the time, White is only 24.9% of the time and HD is 35.2.
The WPA and EPA have value of receptions included into the numbers. Based on that, for this year only, Jenkins was more of a “chain mover” than JC.
Things like this typically boil down to perception and the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
by mwalex on Jan 17, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right, it's totally perception
…hence my stream of conscience outburst of Jericho Cotchery. Again, I’m no stat guy. I see what I see. Would love to ask opposing DBs who they fear more.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Most definitely
A quality guy who can get open. Good size. Injuries are a concern.
If you were directly above him, how could you see him? Because, ma'am, I was inverted. [Bullshit] No, he was, man. It was a really great move.
Tough question
After the GB game there seems to be more needs than before.
I think DE is high on the list. JA is getting older and needs help. Bierman got good pressure but didn’t get the sack numbers. El Sid is really an unknown at this point. There are a lot of good DE’s in this years draft like Robert Quinn, Adrian Clayborn, Cameron Heyward and JJ Watt to name a few. Most of those guys should be around when we pick. I think we’re good at DT especially if JA98 transitions to that position.
LB is a concern because of depth. Peterson doesn’t hace a lot more time left on the team. Wire is marginal. I’d draft at least one LB somewhere between 3 and 6 maybe Keiser from Stanford as a possibility, or Brian Rolle from Ohio State.
I’m good with our DB’s and safeties.
WR or TE should be on the list but not both. Draft one and pick up the other through FA. I like Hankerson if available and we draft a WR.
OL is a need and I’d target rounds 2 – 4 for a OL pick. Toss a fast RB in there somewhere to replace Norwood.
We're the 27th pick
A good DE takes a couple of yrs to develop. We won’t be able to draft anybody decent at the position from where we’re picking. DE’s got to be a FA pickup like Abraham was. (Was he a trade or a FA pick-up? I forget.)
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Much of the WR/TE void won't be solved without some vertical game planning.
Teams can cover from the “box” as long as no receiver ever goes farther than 8 – 10 yards (We’ll call this “the MM Zone”). If there’s a threat of a long ball — the last one I remember was week 3 — the safeties’ll have to move back to 2-deep and the MM Zone becomes open. The running game may be damaged by the same factor.
Defensively, there is no disruption at the LOS, even on most blitz calls, so the opposing offense gets to operate their game plan as opposed to going someplace where they’re less comfortable.
In 2010 we were mostly lucky. We probably won’t be so fortunate in 2011.
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Yeah, true
but the WRs MUST be able to get separation in routes past 20 yds or you’ll constantly have your QB dumping off in the “hot” or flat area. That was the Birds #1 problem when we faced quality teams. Roddy White excluded. the WRs we have can barely beat pedestrain DB squads, and certainly not the better teams with a pass rush or good jamming techniques at the LOS. People talked about Ryan having no deep threat options are not seeing what he’s seeing: HD, Finneran, and Jenkins, are not open past 20 yds from scrimmage. Gonzalez is the master of creating space, but one LBs began to bracket him and double team White, the game shifted to our glaring receiver weaknesses. I wanted so badly for Michael Jenkins to make teams pay dearly for this coverage scheme. But he never really did a whole lot. A nice catch here or there, but teams were rarely burned by the WRs.
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No arguments. MJ12 was drafted on the basis of 1 catch in OSU's National Championship.
I really like his size, and he has (had?) fairly good speed. A Wes Welker-type Possession+Speed receiver would be amazing.
I’m also dogging MM without knowing what MR2 has checked from or to…
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It's now
on every DCs scheme against the flcons, I can promise you that. Greg Williams of New Orleasn first used it. GB exploited it. On obvious passing downs, four man rush, drop seven. Four of those seven are occupied with Ryan’s top targets, White and Gonzalez. Dare HD, Jenkins, and Finneran to beat their man-toman coverage. More likely than not, it didn’t happen. Ryan dumps to Snelling if he’s in the set, if not, scramble to buy time for somebody to get open, or just throw it away.
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by 66fredo99 on Jan 17, 2011 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Draft talk.....ahh what a remedy for the blowout blues.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 17, 2011 1:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Priorities
First off, we have to make some assumptions, as the answers to these questions will affect the result.
My assumptions:
1) I assume that among the set of our current offensive line starters and our current backups we will be able to find an offensive line that will be fine next year. This is certainly an important area, but not one of my top 3.
2) I am assuming that with another year for his knee to recover, that Harry Douglas will return to form. Kerry Meijer may need more time to heal and be 100%, but he will be able to fill in Finneran’s role if needed. Michael Jenkins was perfectly acceptable as a #2 receiver, and I am assuming Tony Gonzalez will return for one more year. I do not see WR or TE as a pressing need.
3) I’m not sure Christopher Owens is a starting nickel corner, and I’m not sure Brian Williams has another year left in him, but lets not forget Dominique Franks. He has shown flashes of very strong play in limited opportunities. It may be necessary to pick up a late free agent or draft a late round cornerback if Franks/Owens/Williams aren’t working out, but this is also not one of my top 3 needs.
Top Needs:
1) Defensive End – I think most everyone agrees that Kroy Bierman is eminently likeable, but just not a starting NFL defensive end. Seems to me that drafting a defensive end is very hit or miss, so if I were Thomas Dimitroff, I’d be looking at a trade or a free agent pickup for this spot. This would be my top priority for the offseason.
2) Running Back – In my opinion we need a speedy, elusive back in our backfield to give teams a different look much more than we need another wide receiver or tight end. Norwood isn’t it, and while I love Jason Snelling, he also isn’t it. Imagine how much easier things would be on our receivers if we had a serious pass catching threat in our backfield. Good news is this is usually an easy position to fill in the draft, and I’d be looking at round 2 or 3 for this pick.
3) Impact Linebacker – I like Stephen Nicholas, but I’m not sure he’s the impact guy we need to put out there with Lofton and Weatherspoon. I’d be looking for a guy who can blitz and make impact plays, and were I the Falcon’s GM, I would strongly consider making this my number 1 pick.
Good points
but I think our LBs are one of the NFCs best. Owens is undersized and simply not tough enough. He just doesn’t jam well off the line to help himself. I even struggle with Grimes now that it has been exposed that he can be beaten on high jump balls. With his jumping ability he’s gonna get his on most QBs, and he’s had success against Brees, but the elite QBs will remember this game.
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Disagree with you strongly about Nicholas
He was at times our best LB this year. I do agree that we need depth, however. If #50 ever went down we would be in trouble. Also, Weatherspoon really didn’t show me much this year. Let’s hope he works hard during the offseason. I would go for a MLB that could work outside as well for depth as early as the 3rd if there was a steal there.
by KMarch on Jan 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I think it's interesting....
….that we each have three distinct points, and they’re all valid.
I don’t think this is a team with any one glaring weakness, but I do think there are many places they could improve. Definitely on board with defensive end and linebacker.
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agree
any sort of definsive playmaker is needed…take best defensive player available??
I heard someone (Billick?) say it's
possible to have too many offensive weapons, but you can never have enough defensive talent. I liked it when I heard it. We are well balanced, and even though our greatest need is offense, defensively we can always be better. Never stand pat cuz injuries are always a factor.
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by 66fredo99 on Jan 17, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well thought out and I like it
but I’d still go DE as #1 and balance the LB/RB/OL/WR with the best talent at those positions for each round.
Trade some picks for a player?
Or get a FA WR or CB or DE? We’ve drafted many of these positions before and until there’s a philosphy change I don’t see drafting safe being an option. Unless Mark Ingram or AJ Green fall in our lap
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depth in the secondary
DE and maybe a break-away wide receiver but most important defensive secondary help for injuries we seem to always suffer late in the season.
Great Writeup
Here’s how I see it
Offense
OL – I’m guessing they may let the older guys go, try to keep the line young. So someone on the right side is going, and with our last draft I’m guessing Dahl will be out if one of those guys are ready. Mid Round draft on a center to replace McClure in the near future.
TE – Love Tony G, but I think his age is catching up to him. And he may retire this year so that will open a huge hole. TE will def be a high priority (behind DE). Peele wasn’t the answer (the whole reason for trading for TG in 09). If Palmer or anyone on the practice squad was, we would have seen more of them.
WR – I strongly believe this will be our FA signing this year (when and if FA starts). I believe we will go after someone who will be a deep threat and take pressure off of Roddy. HD will have another chance next year, as well as Jenks and Meier. I believe Finn may be the odd man out.
RB – Like everyone has said, I think a speed back who can run and catch will be another priority. Snelling is a good pass catcher and can run, but his style is too similiar to Turner. Norwood and Johnson will be out.
Defense
DL – DE obviously, I strongly believe this will be our first round pick. Beirmann will still be on the roster, but either JA98 or Sidbury will be gone. Tackles are pretty good for now and we have other needs, so I don’t see any DTs being picked this year.
LB – With Spoon and Nicholas playing pretty well, we may be drafting for depth when Peterson retires.
CB – Safety is set, as long as we still have Coleman on the roster next year. I don’t know how franks is coming along, but I wouldn’t be surprised by an early or mid round pick here. Owens lost a lot of stock after that game. Even with (what’s his name) from Oakland, I doubt we will sign a huge CB contract two years in a row. Although that would make our secondary nasty.
How I see it playing out
FA – WR
Draft
1 DE
2 RB/CB
3 CB/RB/OL/TE
4 CB/OL/LB/TE
5 TE/LB/OL
6 LB/CB
Nice breakdown, but...
I disagree on a few points.
OL – I agree that Dahl will likely retire or be let go, but Hawley was drafted last year to take McClure’s position at C and has played well in limited action. Can’t imagine taking another C this year unless a gem drops to us. Mike Johnson may be the answer to Dahl’s absence, but I believe we have to get an upgrade at LT. That means either Clabo’s gone and Baker moves to RT or Baker’s gone. Svitek is more of a FB and Reynolds doesn’t appear to be showing enough to be a starter.
TE – I don’t think TG has declined so much as MM sucks as utilizing him (and most other offensive weapons). Palmer is being groomed for the position and has shown some promise. I wouldn’t take a TE any earlier than 5th round. Owen Daniels may be available as a FA depending on CBA, and could be cheap due to his injuries in 2010.
WR – Don’t disagree with you here. Finneran has been great, but unless Jenkins is traded/cut, I don’t see Brian on the roster next year with Meier returning. Weems can fill in until Meier is 100%. Steve Smith (NYG), Lance Moore, Domenik Hixon, Jacoby Jones and Malcolm Floyd among other candidates. I gladly DON’T see Vincent Jackson, TO, Randy Moss or Plaxico Burress as potential targets.
RB – Agree that a quick back with hands would be nice, but doesn’t really matter because MM doesn’t have a true RB screen in his play book and apparently never will. Totally disagree with Johnson being sent packing. He’s shown more promise by far than A. Smith. Norwood has to go.
DL – I agree DE should be priority #1. Since Sidbury hasn’t been able to get on the active roster most of the season, I’m guessing the experiment is over there. JA98 has pretty much been moved to DT and has value in providing depth at both DE and DT.
LB – Weatherspoon playing well??? What games have you been watching? I’ve been terribly disappointed with the lack of progress he’s shown. I’m particularly sick of watching him miss easy sacks/tackles. I’d like to see Peterson replaced with new youth, but until Weatherspoon steps it up I’d be hesitant to send Peterson packing.
CB – I couldn’t agree more that Nnamdi Asomugha would create an awesome secondary, but as you stated it likely won’t happen. It’s a shame because he’s also an incredible character guy, which this organization loves. He is 29, which is a little older than you’d like with Robinson (28) on the other side. But it would allow Grimes to move to nickel which would make for a Top 3 or 4 secondary. Safeties are great now.
Early Draft Prediction:
1. DE
2. OL
3. WR
4. CB/RB
5. OL/TE
6. DE/LB/CB
7. WR/QB
Spoon has been hurt and, if you'll recall, he was starting before he started going to injury land every week.
I’m no stat guy, but I read enough things to know that he was playing well enough. He was hampered with an injury for most of the year.
I still think we should at least take a look at Plax. You never know how he’s gonna be, and it’s certainly a risky move (remember when Moss went to the Pats a few years ago? Everyone thought it was a stupid idea because everyone thought he was done…except them.) but it could pay off if he still has something left in the tank.
I would love to take a flyer on Floyd, Sims-Walker, or Sidney Rice if we could land them….or, you know, Larry Fitzgerald. :P
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
How about taking care of Free agents?
I think its one step at a time. The Falcons have some key free agents to sign mostly on the offensive front. Clabo, Dahl and Blaylock. Defensive side would be Grimes amongst Nicholas and Peterson. I’m guessing Norwood, Finneran and Nicholas might not be re-signed along with one lineman. We should address a need via free agency. Mercedes Lewis is a free agent which whom I would like to see don a uniform. As far as draft needs, Sidbury isnt the answer. By the time he’s ready, it will be time to retire.
I have no idea what the Falcons will do this year via draft.
1st round could be— Ryan Kerrigan, Adrian Clairborn/ Mike Pouncey/ Julio Jones
2nd round - Quan Sturtivandt/ Steve Wisniewski- Dwayne Harris/Casey Matthews/
3rd round
?
Who knows?
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Our free agents are important
but Nicholas played his butt off this year. I hope ATL signs him and lets Peterson move on. Grimes we should resign as long as he doesn’t go crazy and asks for major bucks.
I liked what I saw of Casey Matthews in the Bowl.
Under-sized, but he really wanted a piece of whomever happened to have a football. Good motor.
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Agree completely.
If I’ve learned one thing, it’s never pass on a Matthews.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Remember there is always someone who can't live up to the family name
Think Cooper Manning. I will take a pass on Casey. I think there are better players available and he is getting all the attention simply because of his name.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well Cooper Manning was diagnosed with spinal stenosis
so I don’t think it’s the same thing.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
My apologies to Cooper
The only knowledge I have on him is when the Colts play the Giants and he, Archie, and the mother all are put on tv at least a few times. Regardless, I don’t think Matthews is the answer for our defense.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I really shouldn't have said anything because we were talking about Matthews anyway
I know what you mean though. If we have a shot at a LB better than Casey Matthews, I agree, take the other guy. But I think there’s some kind of intangibles in the Matthews family worth looking into.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
He’d be great, but I don’t know how willing he would be to convert into a 4-3 DE instead of a 3-4 LB.
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 17, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
The problem I always have with conversations like this...
Is that speaking for myself, I don’t know enough about X’s and O’x to tell you what exactly the solutions are. Maybe some of you do, but I don’t. I can tell you what the problems are:
Offense – stalling WAAAAY too often, no creativity, the running game shuts down at times, the passing game isn’t able to take over when the running game doesn’t work, etc.
Defense – very vanilla schemes, no pressure on the QB, a DB corps that gets annihilated by quality receivers, etc.
But that’s where my knowledge stops, because there could be many reasons for these problems, and you gotta know the reason before you can fix it. Does our run game stall because of Turner, Mularkey, or the O-Line? Does our pass game stall at times because of Ryan, Mularkey, or receivers who can’t get open? Do our defensive backs struggle because of the lack of pass rush? Is it a scheming issue? Do we have the talent on the D-Line to get plenty of pressure or not? If not, is it because BVG is doing something wrong?
The game Saturday just raised SOOO many questions. And they didn’t start on Saturday. People forget how inexplicably streaky both our offense and defense were all year long. I have no idea what the solutions are though, because we could get all the talent in the world and it won’t matter without quality scheming. And we may have the correct coaches, but it doesn’t matter if they don’t have the talent. I feel like it’s a chicken or the egg problem, and i’m not sure if we’re missing the chicken or the egg anymore.
by cheshire falcon on Jan 17, 2011 4:22 PM EST reply actions
To your questions..
It’s a lot of general issues. Nothing glaring but it could morph into major problems if not addressed.
It starts with our main scheme on offense. MM’s offense was about 5th best overall. We went 13-3, nothing to criticize there. Cuz when things are humming, the Falcons are a ball control, clock-eating, menace. Our bread and butter is the running game and most teams cannot stop us when we mix things up creatively. Our OL blocking is an “A -”. Passing, then, becomes what we do when the running game is already clicking. To stop our running game by putting more than six in the box is to court trouble cuz of RW and TG – who killed teams early and mid-season. But our passing game late in the season got stifled by the willingness of teams to begin to double cover RW and bracket TG with LBs. Our WR corps outside of White and TG intimidated no one. When play action to RW was gone it was MJ or nobody to move the chains.
What does that have to do with our running game? The LB that was left over powered the LOS to stop the run and wasn’t threatened by Ryan’s play action cuz he KNEW hw would have to throw to an already double covered RW.
Several solutions have been proposed among which is a slot receiver of the Percy Harvin or Wes Welker mode. Nice idea. Where do we find one? (I think Eric Weems, a 3rd yr WR would be a great candidate) Still, if the WRs had been more of a threat Turner could have been more of a threat. Norwood would have been a huge counter to this scheme had he been healthy.
On defense, our need was to get faster and more aggressive. I thought we did. BVG was pretty good at 5th best in the NFL. No glaring weaknesses.
But injuries hurt our LBs, DL, and DBs depth late in the season. (Abraham, Spoon, Nicholas, and Brian Williams) and in all three phases – in the GB game especially – it showed. Our pass rush – lineman only – w/out blitzing was always so-so. So we went to our blitz to bring pressure. All fast teams do. But our blitzes were a statistical anomaly late in the season. I don’t have the #s in front of me, but how in the world we whiffed on so many otherwise successful blitz calls was beyond my ability to grasp. Just the NO and GB game we were probably 3 for 20. That’s unheard of. So what did that do? It exposed our secondary to precious extra seconds of coverage against laser precision passers like Brees and Rodgers. Brees was held in check. Rodgers went off.
The solution? Several have been proposed. I say a legit DE who can bull rush. But finding an Usimenyura, Tuck, Matthews- type DE is near impossible.
So to answer your question, there are real needs and then there are small needs that can morph into big issues if we don’t address them. Dimitroff has been good so far. 13-4 for the season ain’t bad but it’s a really sour taste cuz we know we were capable of more.
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Vanilla, my favorite ice cream flavor but also the ball and chain dragging this team down
II remember very well the worries I had as we won game after game at the very end. I kept telling myself this’ll build confidence, toughen them up! But they kept doing it! Neither side of the balk could put that final nail in. Watching teams march down the field, watching us unable to get that one first down that would kill the clock all because of vanilla and playing not to lose. So many good questions in your post Cheshire. A lot of those answers can be lain at the feet of MM and BVG. When it came down to it they would rather die by a million papercuts than take the chance of getting their heads chopped off. Vanilla. At least add some damn chocolate syrup to it next year!
never punted = bad defense
I’d like to clarify a couple of points here regarding what is working in ATL and what isn’t.
Atlanta played 17 games, lost 1 in OT, 1 to New Orleans and got spanked in two others.
I’d like to look at the two spankings to see what went wrong;
The first spanking was from Philedelpia who exploited Atlanta’s weakness to overcommitting to the ball. This allowed huge runs based on diversion/trickery/reverses. Atlanta’s defense got better but continued to struggle with these for weeks to come. By the end of the season, they had solved the over commitment to the ball carrier which resulted in a big more yardage being given up by opposing running backs up the middle.
Neither the OC nor DC saw the problem ahead of the philly game. It cost Atlanta a big loss.
The second was the coverage against a premium passing quarterback. Atlanta had provided barely acceptable coverage in the first win against the packers, giving up hundreds of yards passing.
But when game 2 came and the Falcons knew they to cover the pass, what happened? The team acted like it was playing against Drew Brees instead of Aaron Rodgers. The defense had a time containing Brees and locked like a local community college when it came to defending Rodgers. The pass rush got there in time on several occassions but then wiffed on the tackle. The pass defense shown by the JETS shows that coverage against good receivers and likely the best quarterback is available.
Again both big losses were due to coaching. Now, does that mean ‘kick them all out!"? NO. Just pointing out that the talent level of the players could not make up for the innept coaching.
Do we need better talent first or better coaching? Is the defense a product of a few good players playing with 8 mediocre players? I’d like to think that our coaching is up to snuff, but the truth is I don’t know. I didn’t see one punt by Green Bay on saturday. not even after the half. Adjustments made? yes, but still no punts.
What i’d like to see is a BMMF noseguard to anchor the center and additions to the cornerback/safety. Because while our team is capable of playing against most squads, they are not prepared against 4 and 5 wide receivers.
And I think the offense is set up to minimize the time that the defense has to be on the field. i
by Paul Brian Richardson on Jan 17, 2011 5:01 PM EST reply actions
good thoughts
and I agree that it’s tough to figure out if it’s a matter of the need in talent or better coaching.
in any case, we need to find out which is superior before making any personnel decisions.
my early guess is that they will retain both MM and BvG and go after talent in FA and draft.
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All of a sudden it stopped doing it.
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No problem
I guess I fixed it with magic.
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Easy...
1) DEEP THREAT Wideout. We need a big-play/explosive guy on offense that can stretch the field, make play action more dangerous, and be a good counterpart to Roddy White. Think someone like Mike Wallace.
2) Defensive End- Why did we lose last weekend?? No pressure. Abraham had 1 sack that’s it. Biermann had 3 sacks this year, 2 against the Panthers. We need another difference maker in that area.
3) Offensive Tackle- Depends on who we keep/let go on the O-line. But moving Baker to RT and drafting a pass-blocking specialist on the left side would be ideal for me.
4) Speedy/Pass-Catching RB- I like Snelling. But he’s not the answer. We need a change-of-pace guy that can spell Turner. Turner can NOT keep carrying the ball 330+ times a year. Heck, I don’t want him to. Think Darren Sproles or someone like that.
5) Tight End of the Future- obviously if Tony G retires this will be more important.
6) A #3/#4 CB- I said this on the other thread, but Owens is not the answer. He’s done as a Falcon. Draft or sign someone who can be depth at CB.
7) Punter- Yes, I’ll be (I think) the first to say that, while Koenen was decent at pinning guys inside the 20, he just did not CONSISTENTLY get us in good field position. There were several shanks I’m sure you all saw this year. SHouldn’t be hard to find a decent one.
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 17, 2011 5:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I like all your points except on RB
The reason Turner carried so many times is because that’s what the coaches called for. Snelling was horribly underused. He has fantastic hands, does have a bit of a burst and can bowl people over. He had 3 touches Saturday. Against the saints he had 3 touches. Yes, 2 fumbles prior when he was crushed but really? The guy was solid last year and this year. Turner could easily be brought down to the 250-275 range and we easily add a new wrinkle to the offense more often than on 3rd and long. Sure a speed RB would be great but I don’t know about using a high end pick for one. If we could steal one in the later rounds that would be fantastic. My fear there would be Norwood part 2 with MM still there. He has no idea how to use speed.
Totally agree
with your Snelling assessment. Completely underused based on his value to us last year. After Turner went down Snelling rose up. This year? Not sure if the Falcons were ever sure what his role would be from game to game, which is strange given his versatility.
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I didn't mean that Snelling was the reason he had so many carries
Yes I do think he was underused. A slip screen or HB flare play would’ve been wonderful. But did we ever think of that?? NO. Snelling just ran the same, predictable “Well” route every time on 3rd and long.
I think it’s ridiculous when I can predict what we’ll call on offense. CHANGE IT UP.
Doesn’t matter if MM can’t use speed, we still need it. We need something to stretch the field. SOmething to change the pace. Snelling is basically a Turner that can catch. He’s not shifty.
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 18, 2011 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
rec'd
for the Koenen reference. I know he’s a good guy, but he did a lot of harm to our field position this year and was the weakest link in our special teams (otherwise solid after early season games).
I agree about WR and a speedy back, although I doubt we will address both needs in the draft. most likely one of these issues will be addressed in free agency. I personally would like to see how Weems would fare as a dual pass/run speedy threat.
But while WR is important, I think O Line is superior need. we didn’t get a chance to see what our 2010 draft acqusitions in the o-line progressed. McClure is aging and others have contract issues. without a good line any other acqusitions in WR or RB won’t make much difference.
Defensive end is the area that needs to be addressed via free agency. I am not sure if someone is available, but we can’t afford to spend high draft picks on experimental players. like JA98. after all, maybe we get back to the chicken and egg problem. maybe Dunta didnt look like a bazzilion dollar making #1 corner, and Owens was owned in the GB game simply because our pass rush got better, but not much better.
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Punting
Was our weakest link in ST, but we still had a (slightly) positive value there compared to the rest of the league. His high, short Punts help the coverage team keep returns to a minimum (and he’s awesome on Kickoffs). I’m not ready to give him the boot yet.
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Good stat I like that he was above average
I (among others) also tend to forget his value on KOS and as a Holder. I just would like to see more consistency out of his punts when we need a long range punt. But, like I said, he is good at pinning teams inside the 20. (I think he only had like TB)
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 18, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Three Points of Need:
1. Tony G’s replacement. I like Peele, but he is not even close to being a Pro Bowl caliber TE. There are some good TEs available in free agency, but they could be a tad pricey, especially since there is uncertainty with the labor agreement. I say pick up Rudolph in the first round of the draft, unless someone falls who addresses point #2.
2. Defensive Playmakers. There are only a few guys who I think could step in right away, and those guys will likely be gone by the time we pick (Quinn, Bowers, Peterson). Now, if one of those three were to drop, I would abandon the other thoughts and pick them up instantly. Since the likelihood of that happening is small, I see us addressing depth early with guys like Sam Acho DE Texas, Nate Irving MLB NC State, or if a guy like Allen Bailey falls to the second, take a chance on him. We don’t need a guy like a Heyward or Watt who we don’t know if they would be a DE or DT (I’m not drafting another Jamaal Anderson).
3. The O-Line. I agree with Dave that we must resign two of our three lineman. Preferably Blalock and Clabo. Veteran lineman are expensive in FA so I would prefer to go young and save some money. Whether that be by plugging in guys who are already on the team like Johnson or Reynolds, or picking up a guy or two in the draft (not early, those picks need to be devoted to gamechangers like previously stated).
Other points that need to be addressed include change of pace RB or a speedy WR. More than anything though, we have to add depth on defense. Defense does win championships. Look at the remaining teams for proof.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions
More Problems for the Falcons
If we don’t get this team some playmakers on the defensive line, a fast RB & WR, we’re going to be back at the bottom of the NFC South. The Panthers just hired Sean McDermott (who the Eagles just fired on Saturday as their DC) as their new DC. We know how much success the Falcons have had against the Eagles defense…little to none.
Ew, but....
the Panthers need personnel badly. Not sure even Belichick can help them with what they’ve got right now. They need 3 number 1 picks and a free agent bonanza just to jump start them.
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Their D has some good players on it, and their D was decent this year.
Their O killed them every single game. Believe me, their D wasn’t their problem. Their O going 3 and out every drive was.
If they get their O on track this could get ugly in a hurry. Would’ve been nice to land McDermott instead of prevent BVGfense
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a couple of Free agent CB and WR
WR: Vincent Jackson, Sidney Rice, Edwards, Floyd, Steve Smith (NY), M.S Walker.
CB: Champ Baily, Nnamdi, Carlos Rogers, Joseph (Cin), Ronde Barber, Chris Houston(LOL)
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 5:37 PM EST reply actions
Hmm...
I would love Sidney Rice. I think he’s around Roddy’s age, but he would make an incredible wombo combo with Roddy. Smith would be nice, and I think Sims-Walker would be good with a great QB.
Most of those DBs are too old, though taking a flyer on Joseph might be worth doing.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions
I think Carlos Rogers wouldn't be too bad
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps, but our team is iffy on cap room.
We’re not gonna get everyone we’d like to have, for sure, and I think we have to take a good hard look at DeAngelo Williams.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow I would like nothing better.
DeAngelo Williams would be quite the addition.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Is he a good pass catcher???
I always saw Johnathan Stewart coming in in third down pass situations.
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
I live in Panther land...
but I don’t know the answer to that. haha.
I think Stewart has more experience in doing it because they are forever doing that at Oregon, and Williams was more known for running for a trillion yards at Memphis.
I do think he’s certainly capable of catching a pass better than Turner, and I want to say he’s done it before, especially when he was first drafted, but I can’t say that with 100% confidence.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Looks like Williams had 13 catches for 61 yards this season.
So no, he doesn’t have much going for him in that respect. But that doesn’t bother me really.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
In my opinion, he is THE perfect complement to Turner.
Fast, shifty, and I believe he can catch pretty well, but he’s also tough as nails. He’s coming off of an injury, which will drive down his asking price, and I don’t think he’s been too hampered with injuries thus far in his career.
I almost want to say we HAVE to get him. Turner can’t keep doing this 350 carry thing.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
I actually thought they would make sure he wouldn’t carry it 300 times this season.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
I think Snelling got hurt and was out for a bit.
So Turner had to almost double his weekly carry total for like….3 or 4 weeks. Otherwise, he would’ve been closer.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
I forgot about that. Even still, they really should have used Snelling more. I wonder if that will ever occur to MM.
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Nothing ever occurs to MM other than he's his own grandpa.
Or his worst enemy, or something.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
No, Turner didn't HAVE TO have so many carries
Take Green Bay as an example:
1. They gave 84 carries to a 5th year Fullback (John Kuhn) who had never had more than 8 carries in a single season before.
2. They gave 36 carries to an Undrafted Rookie nabbed off our practice squad (Dimitri Nance).
3. They gave 29 carries to a 6th Round Rookie (James Starks), and made him their work-horse in the playoffs (48 carries in 2 games).
That’s 149 regular season carries by guys who were previously nobodies. This obviously isn’t a great comparison, because GB is a pass-first team (leading rusher Brandon Jackson only had 190 carries) and it was their starter that went down with injury… but it shows me that you can “plug guys” in for a few plays a game and not break the entire Offense. Does anybody seriously think Gartrell Johnson couldn’t handle more than 6 carries (all vs CAR) in the 2 weeks Snelling was out?
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Charles Johnson
+1000
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by TurnerTheBurner on Jan 18, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Johnson is going to get resigned
Ron Rivera is a DEF coach. The Panthers need DEs and players in general. Richardson has been hoarding money to sign his FAs. No way he lets Johnson walks unless he just wants to leave Charlotte. I even doubt that Williams goes anywhere, but they might be more willing to let him go w/ Steward and Goodson behind him.
by KMarch on Jan 18, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's a couple of 1st rd picks I would like
CB- Ras-I Dowling- At 6’2 he would instantly be our biggest CB. I think he could be the steal of the draft a 28.
OL- Mike Pouncey- With either Dahl or Blalock not coming back, this could be a great replacement.
DE- Allen Bailey- High motor that can help the rush
CB- Brandon Harris- could be our starting nickel
WR- Johnathan Baldwin- Huge with great hands, could be the perfect compliment for Roddy.
TE- Kyle Rudolph- Easily the best TE in the draft that could be extremely valuable if Tony retires
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 5:59 PM EST reply actions
my draft pix
1st rd – speedy athlete whether thats RB or WR
2nd rd – TE – rudolph @ ND? probably goes 1st rd cuz of the success of NE’s TE’s.
3rd – LT move baker draft another tackle for Ryans blind side
4th – rb/wr – opposite of 1st rd pick
5th – DE
6th – CB
7th – WR again – none of our receivers besides Roddy have positions gauranteed
Thats what I think we need and the order we need to get them in order to get the talent level needed at that position.
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I think we should sign a veteran DE too
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Granted,
the CBA has to work things out, but Richard Seymour is a FA. Too much of an asking price? He’s got two, maybe three good years left, I think.
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I would love to bring an old bulldog back to GA
to help us out. but I think he’s want way too much money, unless he decided to take less money to come here to play.
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
We could have the Granddad DE rotation.
Seymour and Abe.
Also, ATL, this world is too greedy and run by money for him to take a pay hit just to come here. It’s possible, but highly unlikely.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
I thought he played DT now.
just imagine Babineaux and Seymour taking double teams off Abe
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
would be nice but
somehow i dont see TD signing him if NE sent him packing.
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
He might
but with our DL rotation, it might be hard to get the results we want all the time.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
My main questions with your draft strategy:
1st round- Who do you have your eye on. And is that guy worth missing out on Rudolph who will most likely not be around for our second pick.
2nd round- see above
3rd round- Is there really a guy going to be available in the third round who can step in and start at left tackle? If there is, steal of the draft.
4th round- All 4 top picks on offense? Did you see the game against Green Bay? The offense needs work but the defense needs a lot of help, and help through free agency would be mighty expensive.
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Also, since we are talking about bringing guys back home
SAVE THE MONEY AND BRING CALVIN HOME WHEN HE BECOMES A FREE AGENT. That is all
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by sportsfan4life2012 on Jan 17, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Not going to help in many respects
No preparing for Abe’s departure or to help Abe with the pass rush. A 5th round DE isn’t going to help. Might as well go after a vetern in FA and not waste a pick.
Neither of NE’s TE’s went in the first round, 3rd was the earliest for either. Can get good TE’s lower than 2nd.
No depth at LB which will haunt ATL if we’re not careful.
first and foremost I think we should sign a veteran DE to bolster the pass rush
That is the glaring weakness on the defense. So the best way to solve that and the quickest is to bring in a veteran DE – will smith, charles johnson. Then once that is done, then you use the drafts top 4 rounds to fix ALL the offensive issues – get speed, get gonzo’s successor, and get another o-line starter – agreed, these are the needs on offense? So the draft gets those – not saying we get 4 starters, it is a draft and a crapshoot still but those are the positions you can draft and possibly get starters from day one. I don’t think there is a position you can draft in the 1st and 2nd rd and be guaranteed a starter.
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
True but ATL needs another
LB worse than OL, especially if they can sign Clabo and Dahl. I’d rather them also pick up a WR as a FA then draft another one. Meier and Harvey are possibly going to make a run next year.
u think we need a LB?
I don’t. with nicholas, peterson, lofton, and spoon? I think we keep nicholas. I understand the o-line thing,, we prob only keep 2 of 3 linemen and draft one to help replace him- easier to pay a rookie 500K than dahl 5 mil.
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Nicks did run down Jennings from behind.
Nicholas is an LB, Jennings is a WR. That should never happen.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Peterson should be gone he is a liability in pass coverage
start Nicholas in his place, after that there is NO depth. Yes, we need another LB or two. Can go FA, I don’t care but someone needs to be added.
by mwalex on Jan 17, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Another chance at a ring for him, but
veteran NFLers think if they’ve already got a ring, then money is the best course of action in free agency. Never know when that knee might blow out or a major ankle injury or for a DE, the foot speed diminishes.
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Here's a fun idea.
Plaxico Burress.
Last time a player spent two years in the slammer, look at what happened to him.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 6:13 PM EST reply actions
If Comrade and Aurthur Blank don't take some guys beacause of bad attitudes
you think he’s going to take a guy who was just in jail
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I think Vick has shown that people can legitimately change.
What if Plax does the same thing? What if he comes out of prison (huge difference from jail, btw, but I’m sure you know that) and is contrite and wants to speak out in favor of gun control and whatnot?
ATL could be one of the best cities to do that in, that being the gun control speak, and if he’s still got some gas left in the tank or has something to prove, he could be worth taking a look at.
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by Caleb Rutherford on Jan 17, 2011 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I get what you're saying, but there are BY FAR better options in the FA market (MS Walker, Floyd, Rice)
not to mention the draft
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
When is Julio Jones supposed to go?
Sometime in the first round right?
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I think the worst he would go would be #14 to the Rams
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
bleh.
what if we start spreading nasty rumors about him?
by Creek Johnson on Jan 17, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
If you start
I’ll definitely give it to my sources at TMZ.
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by Hudson's Soul Patch on Jan 17, 2011 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
wow
I got silenced and removed. that comment wasn’t that bad. was it?
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by ATLsince1972 on Jan 17, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
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Both mockers at CBSsports.com have us taking a CB in Round 1.
And both use the GB game as the explanation. I don’t know if one game is enough reason to go CB in Round 1 for me.
DE
As much as the Falcons could use a defensive end, I’m not sold on drafting one. Simply because if you look at the countless defensive ends that have been drafted in the past 4 years, only a few have success. I would grab an O-lineman if there is one available, Wisniewski or Pouncey would be great! 2nd round could be used for LB which there should be a few good ones. A speedy receiver in the 3rd and Derrick Locke in the 4th, a quick pass catching back out of Kentucky. Not having Norwood hurt the team this year, and he wont be back. Chances are they could even have an additional 3rd round compensatory pick with the free agents were going to lose.
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Hilarious
When someone mentions FA, suddenly common sense goes out the window. I know it’s exciting to think about bringing all these good players to our team. BUT, we have a lot of our own FAs to sign. Plus, many of these players are Free Agents for a reason. Additionally, TD has shown that he isn’t that big on Free Agency, usually only bringing in 1 primetime player a year.
I think if we’re going to make a splash in Free Agency this year, it will be in the WR department. We have a stable of young, potential-laden WRs. It doesn’t make sense to draft another, unless we get a flier on a top talent at our spot in the draft. If we do go WR in free agency, I’m thinking it will be an absolute burner.
I’d be blown away if they even considered Deangelo Williams unless he wants to take a pay-cut to be with a winner.
Draft? I like OL, but I’m guessing TD wants to see what last year’s guys can do.
1st – DE
2nd – CB
3rd – LB
4th – TE
by KMarch on Jan 17, 2011 7:03 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I agree except for CB @ 2
unless there is a stud available. Franks has talent and will have a year under his belt.
What would you go with instead?
I’m guessing WR or OL? I’d like to see what is available at CB in the 1st or 2nd since TD hasn’t really grabbed a CB before the 3rd round.
We took Hawley in the 4th last year
He is supposedly being groomed for the C position, and had some rave reviews by draft analysts and TC observers. 2nd seems a little early to go C imo unless there’s a can’t-miss. Hawley also has experience at G.
My thoughts:
1st: DE
2nd: OL
3rd: Poor man’s Percy Harvin (Leon Washington, Norwood, Random Fast Guy, etc)
4th: TE
5th: LB
Free agency: I’d pick up Brian Williams v2…. We got Dunta and Brent. Neither of these two are “shut down” corners, yes I think such a thing exists and you can’t convince me otherwise, but we also got some young talent. Namdi Asamaskdgjalksdg is the only CB that would be an upgrade for us and that’s more money than I want to pay and I don’t think anyone but Prince Amlaksjdfalsd from Nebraska and Patrick Peterson out of LSU are the only two CBs that would help immediately – again already have young talent.
I don’t have any issues with our WR core either. I don’t ever understand when people are screaming for big time receivers. Could you pick the Patriots WRs out of a lot before they joined the Patriots? I’m not sure I could. Roddy White is a deep threat when healthy, he wasn’t healthy. Douglas came out timid but I think he’ll turn it around and become a great slot option. Meirer and Douglas are going to be tall possession receivers for the rest of their life which I have no problem with. My point is this: a well coach receiver with an accurate QB is heads and shoulders better than Chad Ochocinco and Carson Palmer all day night and any other part of 24 hours that doesn’t yet have a name.
You guys have to understand
Roddy has not been the first choice as a deep threat the last two years, possibly three. He could be but that is not the way the O has been designed. Continuing to say it doesn’t make it true.
And
I hear people say this all the time but I don’t agree. He got open deep at San Fran last year. I think it has more to do with MM than with Roddy. Douglas should get more open looks deep as well, matched against nickbacks, safeties and LBs.
by Stephen Young on Jan 19, 2011 7:15 AM EST up reply actions
Size will get him to 3.
Worth it.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 18, 2011 12:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know Dallas, AZ are interested.
I watched this kid play, special. He carried his team on offense. They had a suspect QB and a decent run game but make no mistake this dude will be a success. He’s worth a second.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 18, 2011 12:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know a lot of people are excited about him
Only reason I’m hesitant is b/c of MM’s lack of creativity to be honest. A 2nd Rounder should be able to come in right away and produce. It looks like Cobb can, but MM would have to be willing to work him in. That means a lot of work in TC and early reps during the season as well.
Well if we want to get better this is the kind of change we need.
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by Ball Hawk on Jan 18, 2011 8:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree we need a WR, I like the idea of shelling out some coin for Sims-Walker but only if it is at a reasonable price. Does anyone recall how much foxworth cashed in during free agency a couple years ago… If someone wants a WR they will overspend for one. I see HD is getting a little hate here, but I think he will be back in the slot next year. it has been proven that people that are recovering from knee injuries generally have one down year before returning to form, see Tom Brady and Wes Welker for example.
I think our number 1 priority this season is to get a LEADER on that defense of ours. After the dust settled from our @$$ beating, I realized, our defense is SUPER YOUNG. Abraham is basically our leader right now, but you need a leader at LB or in the Secondary. I mean how many playoff games has our starters on defense been in, exactly. Abraham, Babs and Grimes I think are it, prolly coleman. But our defense is uber young like the KC team. I think a FA leader for def is be our top concern. Teach the young-uns
I'll jump on that "Mike Pouncey for Falcons 1st round pick" bandwagon
… him or a DE would be great
Been thinking about what if we traded our 1st rounder and like a 3rd rounder next year for Fitzgerald? Don’t know how realistic that is but “supposedly” he’s kinda meh about playing in Arizona and he’d be a splendid complement (duh) to Roddy.
Of course my dreams also include a pass catching duo of Calvin Johnson and AJ Green … so I don’t know how realistic my dreams are lol.
I like the idea of Fitzgerald, but that's too much to give up
This is a team built on quality depth. Losing two picks would run contrary to what Dimitroff is all about.
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by Dave Choate on Jan 17, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Plus, add in the fact that they would have to resign him to a contract, and it becomes a recipe for disaster for both our cap and future. Fitz’s agent is already putting out the word that he wants Brady money. That’s 18 mil/year. No thanks.
Dang it ...
I used “Agreed” in my title too … I’m such a dickwad at this time in the morning, but who isn’t? lol
… and hell, I had no idea Fitz was looking for Brady Money … no need to give up such a big bunch of money when other players would be available much cheaper.
heh heh … oh how I need sleep :)
Agreed
I’d have suggested just a 1st round pick, but was trying to think from the Cardinals side as well and figured they’d want something else as well … well if I can’t have Fitz than Mr. Breaston or Mr. Smith (of the New York Smiths) intrigue me as FA pickups.
I doubt Pouncey makes it in the NFL as a center
He had really struggled in that role at UF this year. However, he should be a great guard. If we drafted him, we could resign one of our FA Tackles unless there’s a lot of hope in Mike Johnson and Joe Hawley. Let McClure play for one more year, and move Hawley over to Center (or Pouncey if drafted and proven). Add in some Tackle draft depth over the next couple of years, maybe draft a 1st round LT once Baker’s rookie contract is up if he hasn’t proven himself yet. I really like how TD has prepared for changes on the OLine. Assuming that Johnson and Hawley are solid (and the reports I’ve read say they are), the OLine depth is looking really good, and tossing one pick a year at it should keep it as a strength of this team.
Pick the most dynamic def player available in 1st round
Outside of Mark Ingram, I’m not sure if there’s another RB that is first round material, but if there is one that complements Turner that should be in consideration as well. Someone like CJ Spiller or Jahvid Best that defenses need to account for. Mark Ingram doesn’t fit that mold and he isn’t going to be available at 27 anyway.
We need a real difference maker on the defensive side of the ball, if you look at the current teams in the playoffs they have at least one if not more (Revis, Polamalu/Harrison, Peppers, Matthews/Woodson). It doesn’t matter what position – if someone with that potential is there, we should take them.
That is tatamount to wasting a pick
You pick the best player for a position you need to fill, always, and that is what ATL has done with the current front office/
Terrific analysis by Choate
With the number of Falcons free agents, the 2011 draft may be Dimitroff’s most challenging.
Without taking into consideration the new CBA, or lack thereof, and the possibilities of an eighteen game regular season and expanded roster, the Falcons draft will largely be determined by which OL free agent(s) is/are retained. I give the nod to Clabo because a tackle is more critical to the success and long-term health of Matt Ryan, and is harder to replace than a guard, a position which can usually be found lower in the draft; however, I am concerned about the potential of last year’s third round pick, guard Mike Johnson. He was not active for a single game… not a good sign for a non-quarterback, third round pick! If the team keeps Dahl or Blalock, that will be a sign that the Falcons have little faith in Johnson. McClure’s decision to stick around may mean that his eventual replacement Hawley gets starting guard duty in the meantime which would also reduce the likelihood of the Falcons’ paying big bucks to keep two OL free agent starters.
The Falcons will also be looking for an eventual replacement for Tony Gonzalez, and if they go the route of the draft, they may have to use their first round pick to nab him as this year’s TE class is not very deep; however, a more pressing need may be a formidable linebacker with exceptional pass coverage skills. Nicholas and Peterson are free agents, Peterson is also reaching the limit of his usefulness, and Lofton is a liability on passing downs. I wonder what it would take to pry Daryl Washington from the Cardinals?
It also looks like Sidbury may not be the eventual replacement for or compliment to Abraham as Sid had fewer reps his second year than he had his rookie season. And if Peria Jerry’s injury keeps him from being the penetrating, disruptive interior force for which he was drafted, the Falcons will also need DL help even considering the play of Corey Peters. If the Falcons were inclined to take a huge risk with high bust potential, they could probably orchestrate reasonable terms for the Jet’s Vernon Gholston who has been a miserable first round failure as an OLB but was a beast DE at Ohio State. Put him back at his natural DE position and if he doesn’t pan out, syonarra.
An oft overlooked, though important, need will also be a replacement for Jason Snelling after another team signs him to a free agent contract we can’t match. In addition to being a good receiver out of the back field, the Falcons would have been SOL without Snelling had Turner suffered an injury!
And of course, we can’t forget the need for a deep threat receiver, an elusive running back if Norwood does not recover and/or signs elsewhere, a lock down corner, and a punter to replace Koenen, another valuable asset who will almost certainly be lost to free agency.
I think it's easier to start by ruling out positions we definitely don't need
On Offense: Quarterback and Fullback
On Defense: Defensive Tackle, Linebacker, Safety
And K and KR/PR
Then prioritise the remaining positions of RB, WR, TE, OL, DE, CB and P.
I see the team retaining Clabo and not Blalock and Dahl-simply because he has played the best out of the 3 and it is harder to find good tackles than guards and we have more options at G than T in terms of backups.. One of Hawley/Johnson/Valdez/Reynolds will step up to fill one of those positions. And we can get by with Sam Baker for another year, as LT is not the premium position it was 5 years ago. So that leaves us with LT, RT and C set with McClure for probably his final year. One of those will be filled by one of the aforementioned players, leaving us needing to pick up a G in free agency or the draft. Given Dimitroff’s comments about how he feels O-lineman have the lowest value of all free agents, I doubt it will be in free agency. Therefore we will need to pick up a G in rounds 2 or 3 to start this year.
As far as RB goes, our team YPA was only 3.9. And the O-line played fairly well but is just ageing and out of contract. I would say our biggest need is a game breaker somewhere on our offense-whether it be at RB or a WR or a Vernon Davis type TE. I think the team must find a quicker, smaller, shiftier pass catching style back somewhere and must also upgrade at WR and TE due to Gonzales dwindling YPC and increasing age and our lack of a deep threat at WR. This can all be addressed in FA or in the draft.
The need at DE is great too, as Abe’s successor must be found. I would rank CB and P as minor needs that can be addressed in a years time.
To conclude I think we have more promising young talent and potential to improve on the Defensive side of the ball. Jerry, Lofton, Weatherspoon, Biermann, Sidbury, Decoud, Grimes, Owens and Moore will all improve next year. This will upgrade our D and the only true need on that side of the ball is a DE. However on Offense everyone apart from Ryan, Baker and Douglas have peaked. Whether it’s Roddy, Jenkins, Turner, the whole OL, Gonzales or Mughelli. We have more potential to be explosive and dynamic on D than O without bringing anyone in. Therefore I would rank our main needs on Offense as we are older on that side of the ball and have very few promising young players.
I rank the needs like so: 1.WR/TE
2.DE
3.RB
4.WR/TE(whichever wasn’t adressed first)
5.OL(probably interior)
6.P(Koenen shanks too many and can’t punt that far)
7.CB
Positions Needed
Offense:
RB- Michael Turner has no speed, yeah big legs and hard to tackle but we need a veteran RB thats fast around the edges, great vision and can cut back.
WR – Roddy White cant do everything and that was evident in the playoffs. When we started to play the more elite Defenses in the playoffs all they did was choke him off and was a non factor. (A.J Green) if we can trade up, or someone like Steve Smith. Harry Douglas played sparringly and atleast that way it would give us more weapons should we go back into the playoffs.
TE- Tony Gonzalez awesome during the season but awful during the playoffs. This will not change, apparently he loses his mojo during playoffs and should retire. Dont care if he’s Pro Bowl/Hall of Fame material….its what can he do now. We should get a good TE from draft or veteran.
DEFENSE:
CB- Wow i see 2 players right off that was terrible in the playoffs. Then Williams was injured. Need 2 veteran CB’s to trade .
Safety- Nah
DE- Definitely need another DE to compliment Abraham
DL- More Meat to Repeat" I think that the DL and LB positions are the best positions the Falcons dont need to worry about.
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