Parsing Out The Atlanta Falcons Cornerback Situation
After one week, the cornerback depth chart for the Falcons may already be unsettled.
No, Dunta Robinson isn't going to lose his job. He's getting paid a lot of money to be the team's top corner, and one middling game isn't going to cause Mike Smith and the coaching staff to pull the plug on the experiment. Do they have the same kind of qualms about Brent Grimes, though?
Note that I'm about to get into some serious conjecture here, starting with an observation from the AJC's own D. Orlando Ledbetter. Some of you will want to call me an idiot for even raising this, and I get that. It's kind of a crazy post. But I do think it's worth bringing up.
I'm really looking to generate a discussion about the future of this cornerbacking corps, especially because the Falcons are going to be facing a very tough set of wide receivers this week. The performance of guys like Grimes, Chris Owens and possibly even Brian Williams in the Cardinals game could go a long way toward shaking this depth chart out.
Here's what DOL had to say. Follow after the jump for my thoughts:
His buzz word for the Grimes’ play is "consistent." Every time you read him talking about the defense playing "consistently" he’s really talking about Grimes not having any lapses. (That’s just my media interpretation. He has not said that to anybody that I know of. But as soon as Brian Williams gets fully healthy, look for him in the lineup. Again, just another media interpretation.)
You first inclination, after reading that, is probably to totally disregard it. We're talking about, at best, an educated guess. But history and the pressure of winning create the possibility that Grimes will be knocked down the depth chart.
We all know Grimey isn't perfect. In the press conference DOL transcribed, Smith carefully avoids naming names but still manages to take Grimes to task for being out of position. That matches one of the major knocks against him as a cover corner, though it conveniently ignores the fact that Grimes was doing a better job in coverage than Dunta for much of the day Sunday.
That's one piece of history. The other, of course, involves Brian Williams. He has a substantial history with Mike Smith, started last year until he got hurt and has more of that veteran stank on him than Grimes or Owens. One of Smith's few weaknesses is that he loves himself some veteran former Jaguars. Mike Peterson held on to his job thanks to that—though, to be fair, he may very well play well enough to keep it all season long—and Williams may come roaring back despite the fact that he's basically a shell of the corner he once was. There's a tendency to think that the older guys offer more consistent play, though comparing the talent of Grimes and Williams in 2010 yields a pretty clear winner.
Owens, meanwhile, is playing with the kind of physicality that the Falcons value out of a nickel corner. He may be playing himself into that role for the rest of the season, whether or not Grimes keeps his job.
I raise this now, again, because the Cardinals offer up a quality passing attack even with the woefully subpar Derek Anderson at quarterback. Grimes and Owens will be challenged by a very sure-handed Steve Breaston and the colossal Stephen Williams, who will be manning the slot against the Falcons. A bad game here could have Smith re-evaluating his depth chart only two games in.
And then there's the pressure to win. Mike Smith is disappointed in the team's performance, but in years past he could afford to nod gravely and move on because the team was billing itself as being in a re-building cycle. This season, with the national spotlight on the team, the Falcons are in more of a win-now mode, whether they'd like to admit it or not. Sam Baker has survived train wreck games in the past, but he may not have the same leash as in years' past. The same goes for the cornerbacks, with Grimes and Owens especially vulnerable because they're younger. I don't think any of us like that, but it's got at least a grain of truth to it.
Is this as crazy as it looks now that I've typed it out, or do you think Grimes is on shaky ground?
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I read that article and said WTF.
It’s DOL. He says some things that drive me crazy. Between him and the old AF.com they have actually caused me to find thefalcoholic.com. Not that J. Mike wasn’t the shizzle but the sight wasn’t a very good format. I needed some intelligent conversation. Really DOL, one game in, really?
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 9:10 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cardinals good for the picken's.
Cardinal fan here, if the Falcons can not beat the Arizona Cardinals, something is wrong. D. Anderson loves to over throw his receivers because he has no touch, it makes him feel strong. Falcon secondary should feast all game long or until Anderson gets pulled and replaced by a rookie QB. If the Falcons allow these little red birds to fly away with a win and a 2-0 road record to begin the season, look-out! The air will be sucked out of your Falcon season and the Cardinals will begin to believe in themselves. That would be dangerous for the entire NFC outside of Arizona. I don’t think the Cards have the intestinal fortitude to beat up on the Falcons but if by some wierd chance they do, shame on Atlanta. The Falcons and their fans have been hyping this team all off season as S.B. material. We shall find out on Sunday in the dome. May the best team, with the most effective weapons win. Should be Atlanta in a walk, but you never know, Arizona has surprised people before. Anderson is a polooka but like Rocky Balboa he has a punchers chance if he can connect.
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My only retort is that no real fan has made any blustery statements about us taking the SB, maybe playoff contenders. Unless the fat guy in the green suit has put on a Falcons get up and puked Falcons SB propaganda all over arizona airways then I would like to know where that statement came from. Anyway your right if we can’t handle our business at home this week than I’ll run naked through the dome in protest.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 11:34 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd to see if you follow through.
But also for belief we aren’t gonna have to see that.
But what if the better
was a nice look lady?
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by brotherbrown on Sep 16, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Super Bowl?!?!
Ha! We’re Falcon fans! Success for us was a 7-9 season! If u hadn’t heard we just had back to back winning seasons…for the first time EVER. Playoffs? Maybe. But I’m so beaten down as a fan the most swagger I can throw out is hope for a wild card birth. No, it was the so called experts who crowned us. We’re actually an overly humble bunch.
by aces666high on Sep 16, 2010 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The media/journalists are the ones hyping this team up. I would love to say I guarantee a division championship, or a Superbowl berth. But truthfully, I only see us as a wild card team right now. e have to dethrone the Saints before any of this talk goes down.
You can’t predict a season before it starts or after one game. You can’t always predict it even after 3 or 4.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Sep 16, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do people love B. Grimes?
Seriously, why is he so high on everyone’s list? Why, because he has heart? Great, but what else?
I get it, he is athletic, and has great hand skills; however, he is just way to small. Did you see him in the preseason game against jacksonville when he was dressed in a t-shirt? When the camera passed him by, I was wondering who the little boy was? Seriously, and I hate to say it but in this league and in most positions, you need to have the physical aspect of it.
Mendenhall would have just ran over him if he was to be in the way. I think Owens is better suited to defend the other side….watch Drew Brees throwing a bunch of jump balls to Colston.
Size is great, but...
it is very hard to find CBs that have the speed and skill to play at an NFL level and also have size. Also, just so you are aware, Owens is basically the same size as Grimes (an inch shorter, actually).
I can’t speak for others, but I like Grimes because he makes plays. Turnovers are huge and I’d rather have a guy that can make a play on the ball than a guy who looks imposing in a t-shirt.
However, I do agree that Owens should get some looks at corner opposite of Dunta with Grimes at the nickel.
by JoshuaG on Sep 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I thought Owens had about 2 or 3 inches on Grimes. Don’t look at the roster because Grimes’ is listed taller than he rally is.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Sep 16, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
Grimey’s momma confirmed it for us.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
can't argue with momma
But to Svene
Grimes is the little guy from an unknown place that you’d root for. And like someone said, he plays plays, if given the opportunity.
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by brotherbrown on Sep 16, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Roster numbers
All lies. Grimes and Owens are probably all of 5’8" . Remember they used to list Grady Jackson at 330. Ha!
by aces666high on Sep 16, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if.......
I never liked Brent as far as a player goes because the first play that I actually noticed; it was BG at left corner when a pass was thrown in the flat and the receiver ran him over.But as I recall Smitty was just gushin about him at the time(pure athlete,great shape etc).Maybe he just got tired of him missing tackles.Then again DOL is a journalist and I’m afraid that in my book journalist are right there along with the hunta virus.Sorry Dave but I don’t consider as a journalist.I consider you a reporter who tells it like you see it rather than someone who likes to make provocative statements.
Owens should get as much playing time as possible in that #2 spot. Williams can give him breathers every now and then, but Owens is the future and he needs to play.
Grimes is a great athlete, but it’s tough to be a great football player at his size. Down the road, he will eventually be relegated to practice squad or backup at best.
I’m staying optimistic on Dunta. First game he has played all season. If he gets smoked all season long, then we need to worry.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Sep 16, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
If you look at last years numbers
BWilliams was not that good. People are starting to throw his name around like he’s a great CB, and he’s not.
I just implied he should be used to give Owens a break. At his age, suffering the injury he did, he is bound to lose a step. I think last year he was good to have starting, but Owens seems to be developing into a good CB.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Sep 16, 2010 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't hate on Grimes.
It’s not his fault that BVG is putting him in the wrong position. He is not a cover corner. He may be the best nickel/zone cover guy around. When coach said misfit it was not a slam on Grimes it was in reference to an incorrect coverage by BVG. I have always maintained that Owens is better suited in coverage. BTW Brees gave us 3 int’s last year so I’m not worried about “jump balls”.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 11:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I kind of agree with you
But I think Grimes was out of position.
I think right now, you can’t argue with Grimes as our second corner, unless you’re arguing for Owens. He should never move down the depth chart in favor of Brian Williams. I thought he was actually quite good against the STeelers.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
I wasn’t saying he was out of position but rather that he is playing the wrong position for his skill set. I believe Owens is something special we just haven’t seen it yet. I also love me a good ball hawk, hence the name. It would devalue our defense if Grimes isn’t on the field but it’s a matter of where that is enigmatic.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I thought Owens should've been the #2 guy from the start
But the coaching staff put Grimes there, so they can’t be uppity about him being out of position or missing coverage once or twice a game. He’s a ballhawk, plain and simple.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 16, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Who was good against the Steelers?
Wasn’t BW29 the one burned on that Big play to M. Williams?
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by brotherbrown on Sep 16, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It was safety Coleman
Great call by BVG to have a safety cover their fastest receiver.
by aces666high on Sep 16, 2010 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
let's give BVG a beer!
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by brotherbrown on Sep 17, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I don’t understand it when people trash Grimes.
He’s too short (probably the most common complaint)- he’s an inch taller than one of the best CBs ever, Darrell Green. Not saying he’s as good as Green was, just trying to prove height doesn’t make a CB, ability does. Look at Wes Welker: not even drafted, mostly because he is too small. Made the Chargers roster but was cut after one game. Signed by Miami and almost cut by them. Has flourished in NE. When someone is as gifted athletically as Welker and Grimes, you just have to find the right role for them and they will pay huge dividends.
He gets burned- all CBs get burned, even the ‘great’ Revis got burned by Ginn Jr last year for an 85 yd TD.
He’s not good in coverage- he lead the team in INTs last year, only 4 players in the NFL had more. And did you see the one against the Saints? I’ll bet Brees is still trying to figure out how Grimes jumped that high.
by Pee Wee 6483 on Sep 16, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, "miss-fit" was in reference to the TD run
Coach Smith interview here. Actually, Smitty didn’t specifically mention Grimes in that video (I thought it was Peterson’s fault) – does anybody know if he specifically put the blame on Grimes somewhere that I missed? D-Led admits that it’s completely his own speculation about Williams getting back into the line-up as soon as he’s healthy… But it wouldn’t exactly shock me if that’s how it turned out – because of Smitty’s obvious veteran love, and because of how Grimey was jerked in and out of the line-up last year.
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What's wrong with Brian Williams?
I haven’t watched him play much outside of the couple of games he played for the Falcons last year, but I thought he looked great when he played. He had some nice coverage, and I thought the people here made approving comments about him at the time. The play he got injured on against the Bears helped prevent a TD last year.
So what happened since then? He got hurt, he worked hard to come back, and now he’s ready to play again. Is it that he’s kind of old and coming back from a major injury? I can understand that, but I would think people would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt if that was the case — wait and see how he does.
This is a good place to start
I think it’s that he’s old, coming off an injury, and he allowed a surprising number of catches last season. I think we tend to remember the things players do spectacularly well or spectacularly poorly, but Williams was pretty quietly just average last season.
I think we can do better.
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Be interesting to see how that turned out last year.
Btw the Lions are already looking for CB help. Meh….. What can you say.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
and that great Lion defense
Unless that Mike Martz Bears offense sucks
or the Lions Defense is good.
That Bears Cowboys game could be an offensive self struggle between those two teams. Winner wins 3-0
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by brotherbrown on Sep 17, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
can you really judge a cb after thet game?
They pounded the ball all game. When they did throw either nobody was really expecting it or dixon bought time with his feet. I like grimes and owens either 1 could start. Williams I haven’t seen play except in preseason in which he looked awful. But we don’t have a great cover corner on this team unless dunta can do it to my knowledge.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Sep 16, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who writes his scouting report?
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2484/Brian_Williams
Whoever it was seems to think he’s a solid #2 corner. Which is what we need.
I’m not saying he’s great, but I’m also not convinced he’s worse than the other CBs. Here are the point totals other teams scored in 3 of the 5 games he started in last year: 10, 14 and 7. The Patriots made him look bad, as they do to many, many players. But I’m just surprised he doesn’t have any more supporters.
At 202 lbs, he’s bigger than any of our other corners. He used to be considered a very versatile player who could play any of the defensive backfield positions. Yes, it’s likely his skills have eroded with time and the injury (the first significant injury of his career), but I for one am interested to see him out there again.
I think he has value
But I think this team needs to cultivate young, talented players as much as possible. Williams getting PT at the expense of a ballhawk like Grimes or a very promising corner like Owens is a mistake.
If he’s playing 10-20 snaps a game against the run, helping out in nickel and dime packages and aiding on the run, then he’s valuable. If he’s playing an entire game….I’m sorry, I can’t support that.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 16, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dave
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Granted, I didn't watch every game last season
But the ones I saw before he got hurt it seemed like Williams and Peterson were making a ton off plays. Some that I specifically remember are Peterson tipping a pass and Williams picking it and another Williams recovered a fumble forced by Peterson. I would like to see him play some sub packages first and if he performs well and earns the job I have no problem with him starting. Put your best team on the field. Doesn’t matter what age or size
by FLA_Falcon on Sep 16, 2010 5:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah things were good til the bears game.
BW limped off and our Peterson got limp. Right about the middle part of the season we had major substitution problems. We did find some good out of it all. JA98 can play DT, he had a great opener btw and Grimes is a ball hawk. I’m a little upset that coaches haven’t taken #20 off of man coverage so he can hover. Mike P is a beast but he shouldn’t play every down if we want to keep his competitive edge.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 6:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Williams is ok
But just ok. He was a nice pickup last season as our cb’s were underwhelming at the beginning last year. He’s a serviceable corner, not big, not fast,knee, older. He’s what u call depth. I’d rather see what Owens can do at corner and see Grimey in nickel and dime sets flying all over the field. BW has already peaked and is on his way down.
by aces666high on Sep 16, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahh.... Real live, real time football talk.
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by Ball Hawk on Sep 16, 2010 6:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm all for Grimes and Owens starting again
We’ll see how Robinson does this week but, regardless of whether he’s top paid or not, the name of the game is supposed to be sending players out there who are performing.
Question: What type of defense is mainly played? Zone right? Or has there been a lot of man coverage?
Robinson will not lose his starting job.... too much money.
I had to listen to the game, and cant make myself watch it now, but no matter how many times he gets torched (and I’m not sure if he even got burned at all in the pitt game), he’s going to start every game he’s healthy enough to start. No way he’s going to get paid that kind of money and not start. The people who signed him would not admit to a mistake like that so soon.
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
On top of that
he hasn’t done anything that has caused him to loose his job.
He has played one game with NO preseason work. People MUST be more realistic in their expectations. Dunta will be just fine.
He won't lose his job
And he’ll be fine. But he got beat a handful of times in that game, plain and simple. It’s going to happen. We can’t expect him to be Darelle Revis, either.
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by Dave Choate on Sep 17, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
except for the holding out for more money.
If he overachieves this year he’ll want even more money.
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by brotherbrown on Sep 17, 2010 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
And he’s just getting back into the swing of things. On top of that, he was never a shutdown corner (as matter of fact, no one aside from Revis is by strict definition). Just saying that Grimes/Owens duo performed above expectations.
I think so too
I kind of thought they’d be our starters this off-season until we picked up Dunta.
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Cards fan apologizes!
Sorry Falcon fans for my previous post when I claimed that you guys have been hyping this team as being in contention to make a run at the S.B. It has indeed been media driven, not Falcon fan driven hype. I empathize with you, being a Cardinal fan. We also, as you know, have a recent history of lackluster play going back decades. Our success over the last three years is a pleasure I hope the Falcon followers can also enjoy this season and in the near future. I began following the Falcons because I am a Ryan Wolfe fan and followed him throughout his career. I was disappointed when he did not make the final cut as a WR in the ATL. Having said that, I am looking forward to finding out which team, the Cards or Falcons, is going to emerge this Sunday, as playoff contenders. It is a huge game for both teams and I hope both teams play like it is. This game may very well set the table for the rest of the season in the Atl as well as in the desert. I expect the Falcons to dominate and crush the red birds into submission as our QB Anderson self destructs. Arizona, on the otherhand, has a trend of refreshing and reinvigorating athletes such as Steve Nash, Louis “Gonzo” Gonzalez, Kurt Warner etc. It is possible for D. Anderson to rise up out of the ash heap and follow in the footsteps of these sports legends. While I am hoping for this to take place, my best judgement and intellect tell me to be rational and expect the Falcons to show the home crowd at the “Dome” that they are a talented team on the rise and a successful season is at hand. I am looking forward to the Arizona team showing up and playing competitively. My worst nightmare-come-true would be Anderson folding under duress and being replaced by the rookie QB Hall and starting that whole learning curve situation that brings with it an almost automatic 4-5 tough losses to go along with 4-5 earned losses.
Let the games and season unfold with the best teams proving themselves on the field of play. Hopefully the refs don’t end up making the decision as to winners and losers. That is the one thing that sickens me, a bad call or an obvious “no-call” that decides the game. I am looking forward to a good game and I hope the Cards make a decent showing but I expect the Falcon fans to have a party all Sunday afternoon and into the evening. Have fun guys! No disrespect intended in my earlier post.
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Not something I felt you had to apologize for, but it showed class. Here’s to a great game!
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