Sean Weatherspoon To Start For Falcons Over Stephen Nicholas?
This is Rotoworld weighing in on the Falcons. Take your grain of salt as you read this one.
Personally, I've suspected since the beginning of the pre-season that Sean Weatherspoon might be starting on the strong side, taking over for Stephen Nicholas. I believed it because of Mike Smith's clear attachment to Mo Pete, his uncanny ability to come up with a good play just when you've about abandoned hope that he'll ever do so again and the fact that he's all veteran-y.
I'd like to believe that this particular hypothetical is in the best interest of the team, but I just can't make myself do it. Stephen Nicholas isn't a great linebacker, but he's probably the most coverage-ready guy on the team. Mike Peterson is aging and one-dimensional. Sean Weatherspoon is talented and inexperienced. And so on.
I'm not saying that Mike Peterson can't do well. I'm not saying Sean Weatherspoon shouldn't start, because I think he should have every opportunity to do so. Obviously, we have to live with the starting lineup, and Mo Pete's gotta have a chip on his shoulder after last season. But I don't believe we're putting our best three linebackers on the field if Peterson is one of them, and I hope this bit of conjecture turns out to be completely wrong. Peterson would be a great sub, but he's barely average as a starter.
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i dont believe it
I got nicholas lofton and spoon starting week 1
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Aug 30, 2010 9:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Strongly Agree!!!
I have been thinking about this topic since the KC game, where Nicholas started. I thought that LB group did extremely well, but it was KC. Either way, watch the NE game and you will see MP being pushed around all over the field. I also believe Nicholas can make big plays too. Peterson should be in sub packages, especially against the run in my HO.
Does it matter?
Like with the D-line, I expect a rotation. Nicholas, Lofton, and Peterson could start the game, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if Nicholas or Peterson were replaced by Spoon on second down. That’s the beauty of this defense – Peterson can play any LB position, and Spoon should be able to play both strong and weakside, meaning you can keep a regular rotation.
Wow
our LB core is so soap opery.
Who do you choose for a manage de trois?
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
Yeah, I'm good.
If we get 3 or 4 games out of Mufasa then its all good. I remember last year he was pretty disruptive early on. I’m pretty sure coach has some kind of rotation anyway, im betting Peterson and Nicholas will split playing time.
Rule #1: Double tap.
Mike P may be a little long in the tooth
But I think he’s better than anyone gives him credit for and makes an bigger impact to our defense than most realise.
by CollegePark4Life on Aug 30, 2010 9:53 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
And I want to acknowledge that I'm tough on him
But if you look at charting stats, Mike Peterson is atrocious as a pass rusher and he’s merely decent at best elsewhere. I just think we can do better.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 30, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I will kick a chicken
….if Spoon starts over Nicholas and not Peterson. There’s a fire in Nicholas that the backups don’t have, and I’ve seen it in both preseason games that I’ve witnessed. It’s obvious that Peterson still has some ability, but he’s gotten older and having him start now is only going to retard the development of the young core set of LBs that we have. It is imperative that we get Spoon, Police, and Bull starting in week 1, because they are easily our best 3 LBs, even if stats say they aren’t our 3 best.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
too funny...
kick a chicken….lmfao!
I pray unto thee, oh Lords of football, please let the Atlanta Falcons WIN THE DAMN SUPERBOWL THIS YEAR!!!....Amen
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 31, 2010 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with Spoon starting
is he is still terrible is pass coverage. Not saying that Peterson is better though. Do we have another LB other than Lofton that is decent is pass coverage?
Spoon, to my knowledge, has been decent at worst in pass coverage.
You can’t use the Brady to Hernandez as an example. Spoon was in good position, but the ball was thrown behind the receiver and it was a perfect throw. Perfect throws beat perfect coverage every time, no ifs, ands, or buts.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Decent, no
and yes the Hernandez play is part of the equation for me. In pass coverage he will be facing QB/TE tandems as good as Brady/Hernandez many times during the season. Also, while it was a good throw, Spoon was playing the TE and not the ball, he never saw the pass coming. Wasn’t it Chris Houston that always got drilled on this very same board for not looking back for the ball? Does Spoon get different considerations because he was a 1st round draft pick?
He is a rookie LB that did not play the pass well in college nor has it played it very well so far in pre-season. To assume he’s going to be “decent” during the season expects a lot or indicates low expectations for his pass coverage. I hope he plays the pass well but it is going to be a challenge for him, but he is talented and can do it.
Hernandez might as well be a WR, and there is no QB this year he will face that is better than Brady.
That’s right, I believe Brady is better than Brees, rings not withstanding.
A big reason as to why the Falcons drafted him was because of his pass coverage skills. This was his third game in action. Chris Houston was a veteran of the game who still made stupid mistakes. You can’t honestly sit there and tell me you expect Spoon to be perfect at the highest level already? Also, you can’t even compare Houston to Spoon because Houston covered the opposing team’s #1 receiver and was burned on every deep ball everywhere he went. I can’t stress to you enough the gravity of how good Tom Brady is. (As much as I dislike him, he’s quite skilled.) and, as a UGA fan, I got my share of Aaron Hernandez touchdowns to see. The kid was used on running plays. He’s a gifted athlete who is more akin to a Michael Jenkins than a Tony Gonzalez.
The difference between playing on O and D is on offense, you know when the ball is coming at you because you know the play. On defense, you generally don’t know for sure, so turning your head requires perfect timing. If you turn your head too soon, you can get spun around or off-balance, leading to a blown play anyhow.
Also, on that play, Spoon did turn around, it was just a little too late. Yes, Brees can make that throw. No, his target won’t be a tiny TE who can run like a receiver.
The alternative is Mike “Stone Hands” Peterson, a 30 year vet of the game who drives the Flintstone-mobile to work and back. I’d rather have Spoon all day.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Houston got drilled on this board because...
On deep balls he would get burned every single time, not bothering to turn around even when the receiver turned around, looked at the ball w/eyes as big as saucers, pointed at the ball, said oh my ! here comes the ball, put his arms up and well u get the point…
Meh did that on long bombs where he saw the receiver reacting for an entire two seconds and did nothing.
That pass was, what, a 15-yard laser? Hernandez barely had time to react. Spoon was in great position, and his reaction wasn’t all that bad, especially considering his experience and Brady’s.
Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962
Whoever starts will be for the best
In a perfect world Weatherspoon would be the replacement for the aging Peterson, but if Peterson and Spoon and performing at a higher level than Nicks and gives the team the best chance to execute, so be it. The fact that this is even a possibility makes me a little disappointed in Nicks though.
If Spoon was drafted for his pass coverage skills
the ATL wasted a draft pick. One major knock against Spoon coming out of college was his less than stellar pass coverage skills, or I guess we should overlook that, right?
Hernandez at WR? Okay, good point, but if you watch football you’ll see that the move is to more WR-like TE’s. Does that mean that Spoon cannot cover the more athletic TE’s? Guess by your admission that would be the case.
I should have made myself a little more clear about the comparison between Houston and Spoon. No, I don’t expect Spoon to perform at the highest level already, but somone has pretty high expectations if he is being considered to start, and my point was he is still poor in pass coverage. Your point is valid about Houston being a veteran and should be played better. Only time will tell if Spoon will make adjustments or not.
As far as Spoon turning around too late goes, WHO CARES?! He missed the play. In pass coverage the defender can play the ball, the opposing player or the QB. Spoon was focused solely on the TE and that is a rookie mistake. He can learn adjustments, well I hope he can. This is not about making excuses about why he blew the play because he blew it regardless of the reasons why, but he is a rookie.
Also, the only time on offense you know the ball is coming to you is if you’re the primary receiver. The other WR’s try to get open in case the primary guy is covered. At that point anyone that is open is fair game.
What it boils down to is that you are a Spoon fan and I’m not.
Good post
But please use the reply function.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 31, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Np
Just keeping the discussion flowing.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 31, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Who would you have drafted, instead? In fact, would you rather have Peterson there?
There’s a difference between “missing the play” aka Houston, and “being a bit late” aka Spoon. Spoon still turned around.
In the Senior Bowl, Spoon had an INT and returned it a good 45 yards. I don’t think a poor pass coverage LB would be able to do that against players he had little familiarity with.
Also, you’re putting words in my mouth. I never once said he was unable to cover Hernandez, but logical thinking would suggest that a WR-like “TE” (or whatever they decided to use him as) would be more difficult to cover than an actual, larger tight end, especially for an LB (a mismatch, imagine that)
Like I said before, I’ve seen Hernandez play. He’s a very gifted athlete in the realms of Greg Olson. You also haven’t acknowledged that the pass to Hernandez was a perfect throw. Tom Brady did exactly what he was supposed to. Spoon was in position by being a bit ahead of Hernandez, but it wouldn’t have mattered who was covering Hernandez. Anyone slower, and the ball would’ve been thrown out in front of Hernandez. Even if Spoon had been watching, Hernandez still would’ve been able to stop and catch the ball because a perfect pass beats perfect coverage, every time. I’m not suggesting he had perfect coverage, but it was a perfect pass.
On offense, you should always assume the ball is coming to you, because that is your job, to get the QB to throw it to you.
Also, I ask you this, if we didn’t draft him for pass coverage, then in your opinion, what did we draft Spoon for? The run? We already have The Police, who is a 100+ tackle per year machine, and Peterson is perfectly fine against the run, as is Nicholas.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
It was one pass
Thrown by one of the best qb’s of our time(threw up a lil just typing that). I’ll reserve judgement until the regular season. If he covers like that all season and blows up screens like the one where he fought off Ricky Williams str8 arm and held him to two yards I’ll take that every damn game.
Who would I have drafted, easy
First choice – the DL/LB from Michigan that Philly traded up to get. If he wasn’t there go for either Darryl Washington or Jerry Hughes. For more LB’s I would have focused on Sean Lee from Penn State and Renny Curran from UGA in the later rounds. I think Lee went in the 2nd and Curran in the 3rd.
Actually I believe Spoon was drafted to replace Peterson, not because he was good against the pass, because he is not. This should be Peterson’s last year on the team, because he is not so good against the run and especially bad against the pass.
As far as the INT in the Senior Bowl goes that has as much value as an INT in the Pro Bowl – zero. You have an offense that has barely worked together much less played together. As far as the defenses in those games go they are typically zones and the defensive players sit in a given area. Doesn’t take a lot of talent for that.
As I’ve said all the while, Spoon is going to be a good LB but this over riding opinion that he is the next great thing is premature. He should not be replacing Nicholas at LB. At best he should be rotating with Peterson or Nicholas. I hope he is as good as almost everyone else on this board thinks he is but only time will tell.
Hey did you watch our latest preseason game?
Spoon made a good play, so I guess he’s the greatest linebacker of all time now. Isn’t that how it works?
Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962
I would think people tend to find the opposite true more than your statement, Jason.
Bad play, terrible player. Even the great ones make mistakes. Heck, look at Favre.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
I kinda agree with Jmar99...
It doesn’t really matter who’s starting or not. WHY?? Because CMS is gonna use these guys in a rotation by putting in MO primarily on 1st and 2nd down – when a team will likely run the ball, to go along with nickels and lord lofton, THEN on passing downs-primarily 2nd and 3rd – (pasing team or running team dtermines 2nd down, plus down and distance of course) we’ll see spoon in with nickels and lofton.
Now lets say that CMS does still have a woddy for mopete, then I would be ok with him starting- FOR NOW! He will be great the first 3-5 games then mo will slow down a step or two even – thats when spoon takes his job PERMANENTLY!!
So guys, I definitely don’t think it’s worth argueing about at all, I actually think we have it pretty good at LB this year!!
P.S. – What if we switch to a 3-4 out of nowhere and ALL 4 guys are in the game!!! Whoa!
Thanx for readin’
I pray unto thee, oh Lords of football, please let the Atlanta Falcons WIN THE DAMN SUPERBOWL THIS YEAR!!!....Amen
P.S.S.
With Abe, Pirahna Jerry, and Duffman as the 3 up front!! That eliminates the JA experiment once and for all!! I would actually take Mo over JA on any given down!! WHY? Cuz Mo is way smarter than JA, and can actually make a big play or two.
I pray unto thee, oh Lords of football, please let the Atlanta Falcons WIN THE DAMN SUPERBOWL THIS YEAR!!!....Amen
who's Mo?
And spoon will be good in coverage. He can’t be worse then peterson in that area and he’ll be an improvement in the blitz because he’s so fast! Probably not yet as good against the run as mikey p but who better to teach him his weakness than mike p… I actually want JA98 starting with Jerry week 1 on the d line. There gonna run the rock. Anderson is a run stuffer and he’s tall maybe can bat down a pass or so
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Aug 31, 2010 4:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mo is mike peterson...
I like to call him MoPete – he always seems to need to give just a little bit MO on every play.
I think you hit on something there also DBC. Peterson is starting probably because the first team we play will primarily be a running team, so might the cards too in week 2, so therefore the reason CMS is starting MO. Maybe, could be. don’t know though. lol
I pray unto thee, oh Lords of football, please let the Atlanta Falcons WIN THE DAMN SUPERBOWL THIS YEAR!!!....Amen
You know...
the defense isn’t what I’m concerned about. I’ve seen adjustments made in the preseason games that makes me think that they’ll get it. The passing game and the kicker are my only concerns now. I still don’t see an 11-5 or better season unless those things get fixed.
I honestly don't think we should start weatherspoon
so early and put pressure on him. There are other ways of playing him but it’s crazy to put him out there if he isn’t ready, no matter how we feel about him personally.
Atlanta will win a championship....someday

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