An Examination Of An Examination Of The Falcons Final Roster
We're getting all meta up in here today. For those of you who haven't seen it, D. Orlando Ledbetter took an educated guess at what the final roster will be.
Of course, I'd be remiss if I didn't plug the fact that I'll be doing my final roster guess after the final pre-season game. But given how far off I'm likely to be on that guess, looking at what DOL came up with is probably more instructive.
Essentially, I'm going to ignore the widely prognosticated stuff—Matt Ryan, Chris Redman and John Parker Wilson for quarterback seems like an easy one—and dive into a handful his most intriguing predictions. If you care to join me on this little journey, hit the jump. Be sure to read his whole article, too.
TIGHT END
DOL plays this one vanilla, going with Tony Gonzalez, Justin Peelle and Keith Zinger. I certainly don't think you can bet against Gonzo and Peelle, but I think Zinger might have a little competition.
He mentions Michael Palmer as a long shot, but he's a guy I've come to think of as a legitimate competitor. The Clemson tight end has flashed some pass catching chops against backup defenses, and he's got a little bit of blocking ability from what I've seen of him. Zinger is a very capable blocker, but he offers little offensively. One more good performance could mean Palmer's edging out Zinger, or at least grabbing a spot on the practice squad.
DEFENSIVE TACKLE
I present you a quote:
Trey Lewis has made it tough for the Falcons to cut him. He arguably has had the best preseason along the defensive line.
DOL goes on to predict that Lewis will make the final roster, with Vance Walker and Thomas Johnson very much on the roster bubble. This is interesting to me for any number of reasons.
First of all, Lewis is not a Mike Smith guy. He was drafted by Bobby Petrino & Co. back in 2007, and he's battled injuries ever since. Thomas Johnson was solid enough last season, with a couple of exceptions, and Vance Walker showed considerable promise. Ledbetter also has us keeping only four true defensive tackles, with Jamaal Anderson presumably serving in his swing role as the fifth.
But it's striking to see DOL praise Lewis so highly. From what I've seen of him thus far this pre-season, he's performed well and looked like he's playing against the run with alacrity, but Lewis has hardly been a standout in my eyes. I do like the idea of someone his size occupying multiple blockers and freeing up our edge rushers, though. If he's earning it, I'm more than happy to welcome Lewis into the fold.
LINEBACKER
Six linebackers in all, and most of them are guys you'd expect. There's one interesting note here: No Bear Woods.
I'll wait for your screams of outrage to pass. DOL lists him as a long shot, and predicts that savvy vet Coy Wire and young speedster Spencer Adkins will both make the final roster. I've been predicting Adkins will stick for a while now, but it's suprising to see both he and Wire making it when Woods has looked like a pretty good value for an undrafted rookie.
Personally, I'd hope to see Woods and Adkins both make it, though I'll be the first to acknowledge that leaves us dangerously thin on experience. I do believe talent should win out, and I think both have the ability to develop into quality reserves and guys who can contribute on special teams. Wire should only win if he's truly outplaying those guys, and not just because he's got an older number on his birth certificate.
CORNERBACK
I couldn't possibly end this anywhere else.
Cornerback has been a debate point for years now, and there's been a sharp divide between those who believe Brian Williams was a good cornerback in 2009 and those of us who have working optic nerves. Whether it's for quality of play, injuries or age, DOL has B-Will firmly on the roster bubble.
With Sean Weatherspoon likely to start over Stephen Nicholas and not Mike Peterson—we'll get into that later today, I promise—it's a relief to see the team's beat writer pushing Williams off the roster. I don't wish him badly and I don't believe he's awful, but he's at best average, and the Falcons have a lot of young cornerbacks who could be a lot more than that. Crossing my fingers on this one, and hoping Williams will land on his feet elsewhere.
Ledbetter also locks in Chris Owens as the nickel back....which I find a little puzzling. In my honest opinion, nothing he's done on the field thus far has put him below Brent Grimes, and while Grimey's been solid, he hasn't distinguished himself. I still believe you'll see Dunta Robinson, Owens, Grimes, Chevis Jackson and Dominique Franks, in that order.
Also, he's not exactly stacking the depth chart at safety. You have Thomas DeCoud, Erik Coleman, William Moore and Shann Schillinger. I'd much prefer the versatile Schillinger makes the roster over Matt Giordano, if for no other reason than the fact that Schillinger hits like a steel train.
So those are my thoughts. Add yours to the conversation!
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Rooting for Wire to make it.
Mainly just because he’s from my town.
In other positions, I do like Williams at CB. He was solid and will be a good keep. Owens not beating out Grimes would be a huge shock to me.
I would like to see Bear replace Wire
Woods has been an ad-hoc defensive captain when he’s on the field and hits like a truck. Wire has been an adequate back up but won’t progress much past that. Put Spoon and Bear in along with Lofton and that would be exciting.
I don’t understand why people think Owens shouldn’t beat out Grimes. Grimes is a great DB but very undersized and got abused badly by #1 WR’s last year. Owens is bigger and better in coverage. Grimes would be a great nickel back. Williams is adequate but should not be kept at the expense of a younger DB.
I agree that I’d rather see Schillinger than Giordano make the team. Giordano got burned badly in pass coverage during preseason. And he does hit very hard.
About Wire...
I’m pretty sure he’s the special teams captain(didn’t know there even was such a thing) and he’s a good team motivator. He’s a Mike Smith kind of guy, the kind who works hard and doesn’t make mistakes. There’s no way in hell he gets dropped for Bear Woods, a rookie UFA who, if named John Smith, probably wouldn’t be garnering half the attention he is getting now. I have Woods in the practice squad this year.
by orion12 on Aug 30, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have you seen Woods play?
Sure, his name garners additional attention but he is a good LB. You are probably right, there is no way Wire gets cut for Woods but that has more to do with Smith’s odd loyalty to veterans as opposed to Wire being a superior athlete to Woods. If Woods makes the practice squad that’s better than getting cut.
check your facts
I agree that Owens is faster and the better option as a #2 than Grimes (but would really not put either of them above #3 if I did not have to) – but Grimes is bigger than Owens. I’m just saying.
Owens = 5’9 179
Grimes = 5’10 181
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
There's no way Grimes is 5'10
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blame NFL.com - write them a letter
find yourself a congressman, that could help.
Anyways, I know that isn’t 100% accurate, but that was the information provided via NFL.com – even if it is off by an inch or two, Owens is not significantly bigger than Grimes and that is not a valid point for arguing starting him over Grimes.
That was really the point I was trying to convey.
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
I'm not disagreeing
The difference in height is not significant. They’re both shorter corners, and your point is most certainly taken.
But if Brent Grimes is 5’10, then I’m the pope of crazytown.
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well... NFL.com is not the only culprit
atlantafalcons.com/roster-players – Brent Grimes 5’10. Same size as our wannabe shutdown corner in Dunta.
Maybe he hit a growth spurt this offseason…
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
My boss went to training camp earlier this summer,
He is about 5"9 I am somewhere around an inch taller, he got a Polaroid with Grimes, and seemed slightly taller than our high-jumping corner.
by thisistherevolt on Aug 30, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why Pope?
Do you think Shorter/Smaller Corners have better inside leverage against receivers (fitting into tighter spaces)?
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by brotherbrown on Aug 30, 2010 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dave
Hi Pope of Crazytown. I know he doesn’t look it, even I couldn’t believe it, but don’t bet against it, I do know he is taller than Chris, to me they are both playing machines. The person with the polaroid picture, I’m taking all bets.
Haha
I’m not going to bet with Brent’s own mother on that one, I think. But you’re right—both are good players. That’s what matters.
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It's not solely about size
Owens did better in coverage than Grimes did later in the season, may be not by much but it should be good enough to have him start across from Dunta. If Owens has issues then replace him with Grimes.
It's not about size
There has always been a lot of people who have riffed on Grimes for his size, and he’s been plenty effective despite it. I just believe Owens is better suited to that role.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
It's about size
Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinions, this size thing seems to be an infatuation with the Falcon Fans.
not even if he wears Stilettos
Which would be a freaky fetish for his night job.
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by brotherbrown on Aug 30, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Grimes 5'10"
Why is it that there is no way, when did you measure him? Take my word for it and he is taller than Owens.
I don't think that's accurate...
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
NaGaNole
I know for a fact that Grimes is taller than Owens, may not be much, but since we are counting inches and it seems to be very important to all the writers to this site. When I go back to Atlanta, I will personally get a measuring tape and have Brent and Chris measured so that we can write about more important things.
I'm looking forward to hearing from you on that
If we have it from you, I think we could put it to bed.
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mwalex
Sorry, I hit the post button before I could reply. How is it that you feel Owens is bigger than Grimes, when was the last time you stood next them, in fact the last time I saw them together was a week ago and if I am not mistaken Owens is 5’9 and Grimes is 5’10, and believe me seeing them stand next to each other Owens is shorter. They are good friends and they just want to play and win. Why does everyone insist on Grimes being short?
HA!
told you guys he was 5’10 … Momma knows best!
Dave, how is life in Crazy Town? Do the people accept the radicalistic views of the Pope?
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
Okay
I just had the general perception, as most people, that Grimes is smaller than Owens. If you saw them side-by-side then you have a better point of comparison than most, and I take your word for it.
Guess Grimes looks short in comparison to the WR’s he convered last year, which, in many cases, were taller than him.
He does often match up with larger or slot receivers
which would skew the perception…
I like Grimes in the zone though, he is a ball hawk and a ball hawk belongs where a ball hawk belongs
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
mwalex
I don’t know of any WR that wasn’t taller than Grimes or Owens last year
Guess he looked ok
Escpecially when he was trying to remove Brandon Marshall’s pants in the end zone. Purely incidental contact!
by aces666high on Aug 30, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah...
Purely Incidental (Looks the other way nervously)
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by brotherbrown on Aug 30, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes the Williams debate will continue lol. Yes you could slam his performance individually but compared to what we saw from the other corners coming out of the 2009 Preseason—-Williams looked like a Hall of Famer. I could care less if he makes the roster or not as I’d like to see the development of Owens. But I still believe Williams is a much more solid player than Chevis Jackson, equal to Grimes and jury still out on Franks. Grimes has more potential except for his height.
Again it isn’t the fact Williams is a great CB, its just compared to our other guys he’s more solid in the eyes of some fans. I personally prefer CBs over 4’10" lol.
I'm saying bye bye to
Thomas Johnson, Chevis Jackson (Williams is better), and Giordano.
I would like to see Jackson stay over Williams
Williams is better… maybe… but a lot older too. Jackson looks good and is developing well. I doubt he gets beat out by the old, crippled vet.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2010 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's wrong with Chevis
We drafted him and he’s a great open field tackler.
He should play Safety
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by brotherbrown on Aug 30, 2010 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
My opinion, Williams makes the team if Franks can’t cut it on special teams. Whether it’s kickoff coverage or punt returns.
by Whyte Bler 000 on Aug 30, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
I think Chevis Jackson has looked really bad this preseason.
by Nick Mike-Mayer on Aug 30, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed
Chevis has made ok receivers look lyke pro bowl pass catchers, & that has made our secondary look horrible. I’d like to see Bear Woods make the final 53 man roster…he has a drive about him that we need…Also one of the rookie wideouts to make it…
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by Dirtybyrdatl4life on Aug 30, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
I saw him burned badly by Randy Moss and Brandon Marshall
Those are pro bowl guys. I agree that he’s looked terrible but just the fact he was even matched up with those guys tells me they like something about him.
Here is how I see the 53 man roster (number within each position in Bold)
3 QBs- Matt Ryan, Chris Redman and John Parker Wilson
5 RBs- Jerious Norwood, Michael Turner, Ovie Mughelli, Jason Snelling and Dimitri Nance
5 WRs- Michael Jenkins, Roddy White, Harry Douglas, Brian Finneran and Eric Weems
3 TEs- Justin Peelle, Michael Palmer and Tony Gonzalez
9 OL- Todd McClure, Justin Blalock, Harvey Dahl, Sam Baker, Tyson Clabo, Will Svitek, Garrett Reynolds, Joe Hawley, and Mike Johnson.
10 DL- Trey Lewis, John Abraham, Kroy Biermann, Lawrence Sidbury, Corey Peters, Chauncey Davis, Peria Jerry, Jonathan Babineaux, Jamaal Anderson, Vance Walker
6 LBs- Curtis Lofton, Mike Peterson, Stephen Nicholas, Sean Weatherspoon, Coy Wire and Spencer Adkins
9 DBs- Brent Grimes, Christopher Owens, Dunta Robinson, William Moore, Dominique Franks, Erik Coleman, Shann Schillinger, Thomas DeCoud, and Brian Williams
3 ST- Matt Bryant, Michael Koenen and Joe Zelenka
i like bear woods but
Coy wire is a beast on special teams. I think woods is on the practice squad. They may take williams over chevis because doesn’t he have some value at safety? We would need it not much depth there. Don’t think Franks get cut despite poor special teams play. He’s a rookie and he will evolve as opposed to same old chevis. I also think they cut T Johnson he’s always hurt even if he’s better then lewis. And I pray we don’t go with Bryant at kicker. What’s it gonna take for them to reliaze that an unreliable, inconsistent kicker WILL loose games for you.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Aug 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i like bear woods but
Coy wire is a beast on special teams. I think woods is on the practice squad. They may take williams over chevis because doesn’t he have some value at safety? We would need it not much depth there. Don’t think Franks get cut despite poor special teams play. He’s a rookie and he will evolve as opposed to same old chevis. I also think they cut T Johnson he’s always hurt even if he’s better then lewis. And I pray we don’t go with Bryant at kicker. What’s it gonna take for them to realize that an unreliable, inconsistent kicker WILL loose games for you.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Aug 30, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agree
agree with kicker comments. I sure as hell hope we don’t go through that bull**it again this year.
I'm thinking they may
go after a kicker after a better one gets cut from a team that’s having kicker battles.
Well judging from Smiths comments;
That missing PATs are “unexceptable”, I think he is not willing to be embarrassed again, his face gets flushed when stupid stuff happens because he knows it reflects on his decisions. Guys this kicking situation is especially important for the Falcons because we don’t win games by huge numbers. We grind and pound away at the clock, so for us to be winners we need a great D, a great run game and a great kicker. Otherwise to win against teams like NO and GB Gonzo will need to feed our offense some of his passing game supplement.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 30, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think that's an option
Again, Neil Rackers and Kris Brown are battling it out, and they can’t possibly both win a job with the Texans. Either would be a potential upgrade.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 30, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah we have to be watching that situation very closely.
Either one of those guys is an immediate upgrade.
Kris Brown is likely to lose that job
Judging by the way each played last year and also Rackers is still doing his thing in the preseason. So………Atlanta HAS to sign Brown……..right?
I don't think it's a lock
But I’d really hope so.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 31, 2010 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Don't see D Nance beating out A Smith....
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
You know
When I talk to others about this stuff they look at me like I’m from another planet. We really are nerds.
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by Ball Hawk on Aug 30, 2010 8:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We're where jock and nerd collide
Sending varsity jackets and textbooks flying everywhere.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 30, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
kickers
We could pick up the loser of the Kris Brown-Neil Rackers battle in Houston, the Billy Cundiff-Shayne Graham battle in Baltimore, or the Mike Nugent-Dave Rayner battle in Cincinnati. Any of those guys would be an upgrade over Bryant.
by Nick Mike-Mayer on Aug 31, 2010 8:03 AM EDT reply actions
I actually agree...
….up until the point of Nugent-Rayner. I don’t really think either of those guys are anything special.
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