Falcons Safety William Moore Is No Six Million Dollar Man
by Dave Choate on Aug 11, 2010 8:00 AM EDT
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Man, can't we rebuild William Moore? We have the technology.
There has been heavy criticism of the 2009 draft from some quarters of Falcons fandom, mitigated only somewhat by Peria Jerry's return to health. That whirling bladestorm of criticism is not going to lessen if Moore continues his one man jury act, however. It's also not going to get a potentially effective and dynamic defensive player on the field, which is the really bad news here.
Let's review his recent injury history, shall we?
- 2008: Struggled with injury issues throughout senior year, missing a couple of games.
- 2009: Football Jesus, where do I start? Knee surgery during training camp. Hamstring injury. Hamstring tweak. Hamstring tweak. Hamstring injury, and he finally lands on injured reserve.
- 2010: Injures groin in OTAs. Re-injures groin in training camp
- 2011: Breaks every bone in body. Muscles turn into Twizzlers. Eaten by a dinosaur.
As you can see, Moore just can't stay on the field, even in imaginary scenarios I've made up for next season. The scouting reports on Moore indicated he was the prototype strong safety for our system: Big, strong, reasonably fast and with absolutely lethal tackling skills. If healthy, he's almost certainly no worse than Erik Coleman, and may well be a heck of a lot better with a little time.
Personally, I'm beginning to think Moore doesn't have time be able to dislodge Coleman from his rickety home atop the depth chart. Nobody believes Coleman is a long-term answer at the position, or even one beyond this season. Many of us hoped he'd be unseated by Moore last year, to say nothing of the upcoming season. Unless Moore can get healthy immediately and impress the hell out of everyone, we're stuck with Coleman yet again.
That's not to disparage Coleman, who's fine against the run and less than fine in pass coverage, and has bright flashes of something better. He's a distinctly average safety, and there's room for that in the NFL. It's just too bad that a player who could potentially be something special can barely stand from one week to the next.
Thoughts on Moore?
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It's very sad
That he can’t stay healthy. I don’t envision him being on the field much this year now after what’s happened in OTA’s and Training Camp this year. It’s sad but the truth and our secondary looks a little bit weaker without him.
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Weaker??
The problem is that we don’t actually know he hasn’t done anything to quantify value on this team. Everyone of these guys are a gamble when they come out of college. EC is at least a quantifiable product we can’t assume any better of Moore.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 11, 2010 9:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes
Let me clarify what I mean by weaker. I mean our depth is weaker. And when you think about it behind Coleman and Decoud (sans Moore) there really isn’t much there. To say that without Moore the team is fine isn’t true, that’s not to say though that it’s the end of the world.
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Less from Moore
Yeah you could say we have Matt Giordano and Shann Schillinger and Thomas DeCoud, but they are all Free Safeties—some how a far different position.
It’s hard to say if he will ever be healthy enough to play if he is a fragile as Chipper Jones. If that’s the case, cut your losses and go for another strong safety in the draft or free agency next year or even this years free agency after preseason.
But I like to see him play …. if ever.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
“2008: Struggled with injury issues throughout senior year, missing a couple of games.”
-At this point, I would consider 2010 to be successful for him if that’s what he can accomplish..
“2009: Football Jesus, where do I start? Knee surgery during training camp. Hamstring injury. Hamstring tweak. Hamstring tweak. Hamstring injury, and he finally lands on injured reserve. "
-I think he just likes to see his name in print, not realising that you can get it there by participating in games and making tackles and sh*t…
“2010: Injures groin in OTAs. Re-injures groin in training camp”
-I am beginning to believe we have some Thai gals working groin pull duty… the coaching staff just needs to say something to him about abusing the system..
“2011: Breaks every bone in body. Muscles turn into Twizzlers. Eaten by a dinosaur. "
-This is just silly.. the secret military dinosaur project has not advanced enough to allow this to be a problem. 2012, coincidentally the year that the earth is basically destroyed, unless you’re John Cusack, will be the dinosaur problem year.
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
That was the knock on Moore during his senior year. Reason he dropped from a Rd 1 to Rd 2 pick. Workout warriors may be physically gifted in the weight room but prove a liability on the field. Personally I was extremely negative on this pick since we passed up some solid corners—-especially Sean Smith. The numerous small injuries are frustrating so the harsh view is to put the prima donna on the field hurt—-prove to us he wants to play or cut him.
truly, no matter how talented the kid is..
the coaching staff ain’t gonna put him out there as a starter if they feel like they can’t rely on him.
I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.
It's just too bad
I don’t think Moore wants to be hurt so much and I think at this level he is not screwing around so we have to assume that he is somewhat fragile, just like a running back we have.They both have a lot of upside but the world is full of talented losers.I don’t think they are losers but they are fragile.I guess we have to take our chances that at some point either one will have a winning streak and show their worth.Either that or get rid of em.I had a car once and it was constantly in the shop.I finally said enough and sold it to a friend( I tried to warn him).Yep you guessed it; he never had a problem.So I guess we just buy the ticket and hope for the best.
Cut him.
Enough of this.
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I think we should cut every player who gets injured.
That way we only keep the invincible ones!
by orion12 on Aug 11, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
hahaha, rec'd
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
by MentallyMIA on Aug 11, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe this will be the position the Comrade addresses
Through free agency after roster cutdowns? Any ideas on teams with too many strong safeties, an expensive backup, or the like?
i'm unclear as to what exactly his status is
everything i’ve read is that he’s expected to be ready for opening day. are we just concerned based on his injury history, or is there some new development on his injury that makes it unlikely he’ll play this year? or that his being held out of practice will make it harder for him to get a starting job?
and by the way, don’t get the impression from this post that i’m saying there’s not reason to be concerned… i definitely think there is. Moore is quickly becoming the kind of player who gives me fits… the guy who is paid millions of dollars to take care of himself but can’t for some reason. but on the other hand i wasn’t sure if the concern is more speculation based or fact based.
by cheshire falcon on Aug 11, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Fact-based, in my opinion
These injuries are costing him days of practice, and Erik Coleman is already well-established as a starter. At this rate, he’s not going to dislodge him. There’s also the fact that this is at least his sixth break/pull/tweak since the Falcons drafted him. That’s not encouraging.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 11, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
well, let me rephrase that...
i think the concern is fact based, but do we have any degree of certainty that he won’t be playing this year?
right now Moore is a very frustrating player to me and a lot of other fans (do some yoga dude), but i wasn’t sure if there had been some development indicating there was a good chance we won’t see him much this year.
having said that, if this lasts another season, i’m not saying i’d definitely cut him, but i wouldn’t blame the Falcons if they did. you can’t keep bringing a guy along on your roster who can’t keep himself healthy.
hopefully he’ll be playing a lot this year and this is all for naught.
by cheshire falcon on Aug 11, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I think he'll play
But I’ve firmly believed for some time now that a healthy William Moore offers a lot more than Erik Coleman. If this keeps happening, he’s never going to pass Coleman on the depth chart, and that’s deeply frustrating.
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I'm with you, buddy.
Definitely not good signs, but I’m not even close to giving up on Moore. He’ll be fine.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
I think calling him a waste
is jumping to conclusions. In a perfect world, his added time of film study has him field ready. Once healthy, hopefully he will really impress as a backup and be able to step into the starting role sooner rather than later.
I voted “Yes, but it’s going to take him well into the season” because I am going to remain hopeful.
I can imagine his first play being something disgustingly memorable like Matt Ryan’s… I can dream.
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
Yay for optimism!
Here, here.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
I like the idea of C4 laying the lumber on the first play on the season...
“Mendenhall off tackle, AND DOWN HE GOES!!! William Moore on the tackle. Rashard Medenhall went down hard, but Moore came apart like a G.I. Joe with an M80 up its butt. We’re going to go to commercial while this gets hosed off the field.”
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
by AnOldBird on Aug 11, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
this is exactly what I meant
when I said “disgustingly memorable”
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
“AND DOWN HE GOES!!!”
Been listening to a lot of Kenny Albert covering MV7 in his hey days here?
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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
When it comes to Moore we are waiting to hear the following accolades. And remember this is a 5’9" kid who blew out his knee completely.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;ylt=Ai53No4dR8QBe9GAdDA3_ZDubYF?slug=ms-welkerrecovery081010
"It just shows the power of the mind – that when you really want to achieve something, you can do it," said outside linebacker Tully Banta-Cain(notes). "He’s an intense, fiery guy. He does not want to be M.I.A. when it comes to games or even practices. To see him recover that quickly just shows his dedication, and it’s hard not to be inspired."
Says Patriots owner Robert Kraft: "It’s in his DNA. He’s a fighter. Wes Welker symbolizes the things everyone loves about our sport. He’s a guy with modest size and a modest personality who is all about hard work, heart and intensity. He’s a lot like [former Pats wideout] Troy Brown(notes) … he’s the exact guy you want on your team."
by JCush on Aug 11, 2010 11:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
mostly just for the M.I.A. reference…
but also because I need a reason to remain hopeful on this guy.
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
by MentallyMIA on Aug 11, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Injury prone Moore
Rafael Bush is the Falcons’ strong safety of the future, not Moore.
Interesting take
I like Bush, but I’m not entirely sure he’s even roster-bound yet.
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WHEN he is at practice, he is a go-getter
Dude has speed, moves, and he lays the smack-down on folks. When he actually PLAYS, EVEN NORM VAN BROCKLIN MIGHT AVOID RUNNING HIM OVER WITH A BULLDOZER, OR AT LEAST GIVE HIM A RUNNING START.
Unfortunately, we don’t get to see that side very often.
I kinda miss Devon Bush.
At least he made it to the field occasionally. I’m slow to rag on a guy, but so far “C4” Moore has been an insurance drain without any upside.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
Eaten by a DINOSAUR?!
Does this mean Grady Jackson will be back next year?
by Falcons1133 on Aug 11, 2010 1:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Moore has had a rough time so far
but he’ll get on to the field and play is butt off because the team stuck with him.
ok so do we have a time for how long he'll be gone?
i mean could he possibly play during the preseason? can he at least practice sometime before game 1? or is this a we dont know situation.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Aug 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If he cant compete during the presason then he's gone!
i done think coleman is super-special but he could be. and he’s the second best safety on this team. i give the knoch to decoud since he has play -making ability. id love to see c.jackson get some time there. anything to get him more snaps. that kid is a star!!!
“2011: Breaks every bone in body. Muscles turn into Twizzlers. Eaten by a dinosaur.”
“Man, can’t we rebuild William Moore? We have the technology.”
Dave, what were you like as a child? Are you Willy Wonka or something?
(True Face of Dave part 7)
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
Probably incredibly annoying
True story follows.
I was watching an old videotape of me as maybe a five year old kid, in the very late 80’s, with some of my family and my wife. At one point, I make my way over to the camera with a plastic cup and ask no one in particular “should I recycle this?”
So yeah, intensely annoying.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 12, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like you predated Captain Planet.
I used to make my own tv show in my head an act them out as the dolls on my bed and my brother’s, and make a show using my hands as the characters among other things around the house.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
No Kidding
Rapidly heading toward bust status, and don’t dare count Jerry down as a success either just because he has made it through a couple of practices. He had as much injury problems as Moore going back to college, maybe more.
TD has really drafted three players since he has been here, Ryan, Lofton, and DeCoud. All of the others are injured or iffy. If Spoon doesn’t Spoon, then what of TD?
Still waiting to see a pass rusher after three years.
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