The Scale of Falconliness, Quarterbacks Week: Michael Vick
This should go well.
Michael Vick, Quarterback (2001 - 2006 )
| Falconly | Unfalconly |
|
|
Current standings after the jump:
104 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Normally just saying this
guy’s name is a powder keg. I gave him a 7 because I think all the good and excitement that he brought to Atlanta and Atlanta Falcons fans for years outweighed the main ugly incident that everyone knows about. The silver lining is that once he “left” we really saw what kind of team we had and knew that we needed a lot of help and a new coach (stupid puketrino). Puketrino is just under dumb Robinson from the SB incident in 98.
Let me make it clear. I enjoyed the years he was here but I wouldn’t want him back on my team.
Oh and one other thing for the list. You may have covered it under “Lies” but I think lying to Arthur Blank deserves a bullet of its own. He was behind MV7 100% and if he told the truth might have turned out a little differently for him.
I became a Falcons fan because of him
If not this team i would haveended up a philly fan. My dad is a strong philly fan(because thats the area he grew up). Even though Vick gets the dumbass award after jail he was a different person.
by LORD91 on Aug 12, 2010 8:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
It is amazing to me
That still to this day when you mention Mike Vick its like you said, a Powder Keg. Some guy posted a fanshot talking about this. Here it is…. I thought it was interesting- http://www.tnspsportsnet.com/local-sports/u-need-some-jesus-falcons-edition/
this was hard to rate
I am a young Falcons fan and Vick is the reason why – he brought a spark to this team and caught the media’s attention and inadvertantly, my attention.
I want to rate him high because of what he did while he was apart of the team, but the fact that it was never for the team and he was ridiculously selfish, though his actions led to the franchise we know and love today, I had to give him a 5.
He is far beyond deserving of a 1 but far below deserving of a 10.
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
by MentallyMIA on Aug 11, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Vick is douche.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 11, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
I personally like douche nozzle better
by thisistherevolt on Aug 11, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
He cleans out people's intimate parts?
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't vote on this
In my honest opinion, it’s impossible to assign Vick a number. He’s just too polarizing, even in my own mind, to give him a 10, a 1 or even a 5.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
I gotta say...
I agree 100%. I really can’t decide…
My first reaction was to give him a one, but then I got sentimental (this all occurred within about 3 seconds). I gave him a 6, but I’m not sure why.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Amen. I voted 4, and it would take me about thirty minutes to justify that.
Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962
Agree...
I voted 4 too…I stared at the screen for a long time…My rationale? 5 would be average, thus I split the difference between the two poles and then docked him one for, you know, all that crap on the right…
I just couldn’t give him a one…he did SOME good for the team…
by Jman781 on Aug 11, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
The question here is not whether he was a good player or not. It’s how “Falconly” he was. I’m not sure what that means exactly, but I just can’t voice any support or approval for someone who participated in dog-fighting. In my book it’s just barely less evil than molesting children.
As for his on-field performance, Vick was an electrifying player to watch but I never felt like we had a solid, dependable offense with him. Sure, he rushed for a zillion yards, but that was almost always the result of him not being able to find a receiver and then “just winging it” with his astonishing natural talents. Improv is fun to watch but it won’t win a championship.
10
Good or bad, he will always be the most infamous (“Not just famous.. IN famous”) Falcon ever. I concur with Dave’s comment about him being so polarizing. I don’t think I have ever had an athlete give me such a range of emotions. I nearly vomited with joy after that OT run against the Vikings, I felt incredible disgust when I heard about the things he did off the field. Like it or not, MV7 is responsible for the resurrection of the teams relevance in the sporting world. For that, he is a 10.
In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.
Well, this will be a lot of 10 and 0...
MV7 was all about MV7… 0
Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...
11 1's, 9 10's.
This is absolutely glorious.
Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962
Ha
That is pretty much the dictionary definition of polarizing.
In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.
He was flashy.
As in flash-in-the-pan-ny. You’d get three, four great plays out of him a game and then in between all that, the opponents were scoring. Yes, he was almost entirely the only reason we made it to the NFC Championship in 04.
The Falcons need strong, firm leadership and (as a team) a will to win. They didn’t have that with Vick and Reeves/Mora/Petrino. They’ve got it with Ryan/Smith/Dimitroff.
He helped establish a good fanbase for the franchise to move forward with. It’s just a shame he couldn’t stay out of trouble long enough to bring what he built to the pinnacle.
You have opinions. We all do. Some of yours may have to do with the Falcons. Sign up today and share them.
um
is there a zero, or even better a negative one billion…? I think you know where I stand in regards to the player who shall remain nameless. I still have 3 of his jersies if you want em. they may have some brown stains on them but oh well…
Life is a garden. Dig it!
by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions
10!!
The greatest QB the Falcons ever had, and ever will have. Michael Vick for President!!! A True future Hall of Famer!! VIVA RON MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!
by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
what you smokin
Life is a garden. Dig it!
by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 12, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Same Stuff Vick was apparently
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
nah
that bottle was empty…
Life is a garden. Dig it!
by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
4.
As stated before, I didn’t really become a Falcons fanatic til 2008…and so that electric play-making lighting in a bottle stuff doesn’t really carry a lot of weight with me. What he did to this franchise (and this city) is unforgivable. The only reason I give him a 4 is because he is responsible for lifting the franchise out of obscurity, if only to leave it in shambles later.
And that “he’s responsible for Mike Smith and Matt Ryan and TD coming here” is a terrible reason to call Vick Falconly. If you want to thank someone for that, thank Blank. Don’t thank Vick. He doesn’t care.
I'd say Petrino is even more directly responsible for the new regime than Vick is.
Yayyy, Petrino!
Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962
1
As much as he was a freakish athlete, he was an even more freakish idiot. The guy might be one of the worst human beings, let alone Falcons, to walk the planet. And if you still love him after all the stupidity and failure he brought to this team, then let me direct you here.
by TheAreopagite on Aug 11, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Synergy rec
Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962
5
I gave him a 5. He was my favourite player and while I am trying my best to hate him and snickering to my girlfriend whenever I see someone wearing his Philly jersey in a mall I just can’t help it. I love this guy. I even had him and his 2 TDs on my fantasy team last year. I cannot stop MV7 from being my favourite player. He was either the best or worst player we ever had. In my opinion he was simply the best. But despite being the man while he was here, no one has hurt this franchise more. The fact that we came out of it so fast is thanks to Dimitrinoff being the best GM in the league.
6
This is one of the hardest questions ever asked. When Michael Vick went to prison i said i would rather my wife leave me. But as far as being the greatest falcons qb id say hes 4th behind Bartowski, Chandler and Miller and maybee Toliver just for beating the 49ers on a Hail Mary. But MV7 leaves me feeling empty handed, he was by far the most athletic Falcon and the most exciting to watch. And as well as Matty Ice Ryan plays hell always not be as favorite as MV7 cause for some crazy reason live Mick Vick said before he went to prison Everyone Loves Michael Vick….But with all that being said he really screwed us Falcons fans hard and i hate seeing him in a Philly Jersey…
My opinion...
Is that he was one of the most gifted athletes of all time in any sport and because of that everything was always handed to him on a silver platter and any wrong he did would be washed under the rug (as we can see by some of the responses on here).
If he were to have applied himself in any way at all to study the game, opposing defenses, his own receivers and lineman and that amazing thing called the playbook than we would have had a QB of the ages. No contest. Instead, he even admitted he never took it seriously (and people still forgave him????), dirty bird’d the fans, oregeno-juana bottle, lied to the commish, Mr. Blank, killed dogs for sport….essentially he epitomizes what every young athlete should strive not to be.
I dont even feel right giving him a 1 because that is too high. And to think, I bought my son his jersey…
Being “Falconly” to me is not setting records. It is in being part of the fandom, it is standing up through the face of adversity and persevering regardless of the losing streak we held and it is overcoming anything set in your path to do all that you can do without having the benefit of a good system/ownership (that is, until Mr. Blank came along). It is being the underdog and being proud of what can be accomplished in spite of it. That is Falconly.
Well said
You know I was teetering on whether to give him a 10 or a 0. To me, there was no in between. Dave, I would like to change my vote to 0. I thank muuzilla for clearing something up for me. Perhaps I confused popularity with “Falcony”.
His on the field exploits made him about as popular as an athlete can be. His notoriety is what made him a household name that transcended the sports world. Bringing that type of shame to the team and to the city is VERY unfalcony.
Thanks again for reeling me back in, muuzilla.
In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.
No problem.
Least I could do before I leave for Iraq in the morning. I will try to visit here as much as I can though.
One more thing…GO FALCONS!
Alright, I've figured out where I'm going to vote
For me, he’s a 3.
Yeah, he did some good things while he’s here, and that’s what makes me give him the two points. But as others have pointed out, he let down this team hugely by never really caring how good he was and his series of off the field legal troubles that to this day make my blood boil when I hear his name.
On top of that, how Falconly is a guy who admitted he never tried very hard while he was here? How Falconly is a guy who talks about how good it feels to beat the Falcons, a team that gave him so much money and a city that gave him so much love? It’s like slapping someone in the face after you piss on them.
As a matter of fact, I’m getting angry just typing this. I’m going to check the little 3 before I change my mind.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
by Dave Choate on Aug 11, 2010 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
“It’s like slapping someone in the face after you piss on them”
Talk about some serious BDSM stuff.
But yeah, great points Rec’d.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions
why do I see Dave Chappelle dressed as MV7 peeing on atlanta fans
“I sip Crys, you drink piss….”
by TheAreopagite on Aug 12, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I knew there'd be mostly 1's and 10's. . .
How’s that for polarizing? In spite of everything he’s done wrong, simply couldn’t give him lower than a 4 for putting us on the NFL map. Quite simply, he did. He did more to put the Falcons on the tongues of average NFL fans than even a ‘98 Super Bowl appearance did, IMO. Hell, Artie likely would’ve never gotten the bug, the drive and desire to actually TRY to build a winning franchise if it weren’t for the taste of success he got from con-Vick. Three years removed, now, as always, the most polarizing figure in the history of Atlanta sports, hell the history of Atlanta! Don’t get me wrong, I hate him for what he did to us, yet memories of Lambeau, of flashing past Minnesota DB’s as if they were running in Jello, still give me goosebumps.
Only reason I gave him a 1
is because there was nothing lower.
Vick was gifted as a running QB but not as a QB. His passing stats were/are terrible. Falconly yes if you like a perennial loser QB that essentially refused to focus on anyone else in the offense but himself. Why were his rushing numbers so good? Because he would not stay in the pocket and pass. Hell, he could not pass accurately so running was probably the better option.
I remember when Vick was drafted and I felt a combination of disappointed and anger. The reason being only 1 running QB has ever won a Super Bowl or Super Bowls and that was Steve Young. Even for Young he would run secondarily and was an accurate passer. Vick was NEVER an accurate passer.
Vick was a black eye on the Falcons and one of the worst mistakes the team ever made, only second to Bobby Petrino.
ONE...That is all he cared about...Look out for #1.
Athletically…A freak of nature. If the NFL was a one-on-one contest, he would have won the Super Bowl each year. He got to the NFL by doing his own thing. That was all he ever needed to know. (A note to Arthur Blank: You did not do him any favors by firing Reeves)
Yes I am one of those “he ain’t no QB” guys. Just imagine…Combine the average NFL QB’s preparation, ability to read a defense and “team first” mentality with his physical talents.
Off the field: The last memories we have of vick is a long list of stupidity (which is still growing…as in birthday party with known felons in attendance). In real life, you are always gauged on your latest accomplishments. Don’t think so? Ask your boss.
Niners fan.
This is one of the greatest ideas for a series of posts ever. I love it.
And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.
No-One can replace Mike Vick
As far as I’m concerned Vick is still a falcon and always will be in my book no doubt, no matter how much we try to distance ourselves from him we can’t, if we could there wouldn’t be a post to see how falconly he is….Most of my falcons memories has Vick razzling and dazzling and i don’t see that going away anytime soon………I do not condone any of his off field antics, be it dog fighting or whatever else. I get disgusted thinking about it. But above all that i think Vick is the ultimate falcon.
I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.
by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Aug 11, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
Your comment is an excellent example....
Of the weird paradox that has cropped up around Vick. Odd that so many can be disgusted by his off-the-field behavior and still think of him as the “ultimate Falcon.”
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
Grading him is.....impossible.
On one hand, you have all those terrible incidents that we remember him being a part of, as is shown in the falconly/unfalconly list.
However, for a time, he was essentially Mr. Falcon.
Falconly, like it or not, was Mike Vick. Our image wasn’t always so beautiful, especially when Vick came around. Also, like it or not, he brought a lot of attention to a team that lived in the dumps.
Since the regime change and all the hell that broke loose with Vick, our definition of Falconly has probably changed a lot. I’m not defending the man by any means, but grading the whole body of work, in my opinion, constitutes a 5…..ish, but I couldn’t give you a definite number, there’s way too many factors.
If you judge him based on “What have you done for me lately?” then absolutely I would find a number closer to absolute zero, but that wouldn’t be fair to Vick or to anyone else we’ve talked about in the scale of falconliness.
Just my 2 cents.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
“he brought a lot of attention to a team that lived in the dumps.”
Ironic that you say that as with my comment below.
Many people that support him comes from the dumps ghettoes of Atlanta. So I guess he was relatable to those people and they saw him as a messiah or muhummad of some sort.
Since the regime change and all the hell that broke loose with Vick, our definition of Falconly has probably changed a lot
Absolutely right
That’s what I was talking about in the very first Scale of Falconliness (before I realized it was a series on DVD)
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions
so basically you’re saying only black people support Michael Vick?
I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.
by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Aug 12, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions
no not at all
But a vast majority supports him primarily because of that. I’ve seen some non black Vick fans, and I’m sure they have their reasons. They are probably the most relatable to african americans as well.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy.
Who is less Falconly, Vick or Petrino?
Petrino
Next Question
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Petrino, still
Vick at least did some good things during his time with the Falcons. If you can name one good thing Petrino did, you’re doing better than me.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
At least Vick didn’t Resign from the team on NO notice to join another.
Petrino I think had a decent 2007 draft AFTER JA98 Stephen Nicholas and Snelling.
After that, he’s crap. He had no remorse, or heart.
The Grinch is nicer than him.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Brilliant! Rec'd!
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I've got one!
Petrino brought in semi-capable back-up QB Chris Redman. That’s sorta good, right?
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Hey Jason your graph is starting to look cool.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 11, 2010 10:16 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
But where's that D bag coach from Arkansas on there I thought we voted on it?
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Aug 11, 2010 10:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We're just going to pretend that never happened
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
by Dave Choate on Aug 12, 2010 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
you think this thread is tense
Petrino would be a delight
by TheAreopagite on Aug 12, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Give me a f-in break
Everyone thats bashing Vick now just shows poor class. Sure ATL never won anything while he was here but the franchise was almost always competitive and was at the very least was exciting to watch. I still support Vick and wish him the best in his career (except when he plays Atlanta).
I'm a Vick basher
always have been and always will. Why? Because he was a loser and led the team down a bad path. I detest what he did off the field but I’m not even taking that into account when I’m voicing my opinion.
Being exciting to watch means NOTHING in the NFL if the goal is to win a Super Bowl. Payton Manning is not exciting but I would have much rather have had him as QB than Vick. Actually, there was a period of time where Vick was being paid more than Manning. Pretty interesting when you compare their stats.
I can just as easily say that Vick supporters are showing no class because they have no concept of how a team works, what a team player means, how being selfish leads to mediocrity and it’s better to be exciting than have class. I won’t go into the value of like or lack there of in this case.
Oh yeah, in many cases the Falcons were not competitive while Vick was the QB. After all ATL just put together their first two back to back winning seasons. That was something that did not happen with Vick.
I've said all along that I've wanted him to do good things with his life
I strive to not be a vindicative person. I can probably count on one hand the number of people I truly hate, and Vick ain’t one of them.
But c’mon, man. HE showed poor class by admitting he never tried here—and of course, not trying here—and delighting in beating the former team that gave him so much. Not to mention the legal troubles. I’m willing to move on and wish him the best, but I don’t believe it’s in anyone’s best interest to pretend the bad stuff never happened.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
by Dave Choate on Aug 12, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Atlanta is full of a lot of black people that like to support their own kind, and Vick epitomized that. That’s why with all the issues he had, Vick supporters still loved him, infact they loved him more because of that. It made him cool, one of the guys in the hood just doing his thing. Although I’m not into that, I was thinking some of the the consequential treatment he was getting like from PETA was unfair.
But let alone, despite him not being a role model and not worthy of our team and sometimes overrated, he was still an exciting player to watch that could make something happen (just not at clutch times) broke records. Vick was the offense. Without him we saw how bad we really was.
However like someone said. If it wasn’t for Vick, we may never have Matt Ryan, Dimitroff, and Mike Smith, or what we have now.
So I think Vick at least deserves a five. He’s like the person you’d think that was the one, though you though maybe there could be something better so you settle for less hoping that that person will turn it around, and then lighting strikes and a Jamarcus Russel like black hole unexpectantly occurs and you have a rut then things work out for the best.
We had to go through a year of hell to get to our heaven (still a work in progress), and our Jesus Matt Ryan is leading the way through the red sea 2010 season
Wish the same story would be true for me though…no fairy tales in life
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
Good point
I’ll just go ahead and say it. MV7 was fraking crucified for what he did. YES it was horrible, but how many people who have done far worse & have gotten off far easier. Keep counting…. I can wait.
In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.
I know...
Tell me about it. I mean…
1. if I flipped people off on national TV (a federal violation) I would have had a pay a stiff fine, especially considering my pay check.
2. If I tried to get through airport security with oregenojuana I would have been arrested on the spot. I might still be waiting for my trial date.
3. if I didnt apply myself properly at work I could have been fired. Or worse yet, someone using my equipment might have died.
It sucks that all he had to deal with in light of the above 3 was a little mocking. I do agree about the dog issue though…if one of us average people did that, I doubt we would have been sent to Leavenworth. But if we would have gone to jail it would have been to a state jail I imagine.
I would totally love to see Vick do more for the kids and community than what he is doing. Has he shown remorse? No. Was he treated unfairly for the NFL suspension? No. Lets remember people, the NFL is a privately owned business and they have the right to fire and hire as they see fit…just like the local 7-11 and JC Penny’s. If I was arrested and spent time in jail I would not have my job back and I would be doing all I can to find another job which would probably pay me much less than I could live off of.
Well, off to the airport for my Dubai-Kuwait-Baghdad series of flights.
Classic example Ray Lewis
And to a lesser extent, the Juice.
Now I want me some OJ (the drink)
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
1
i hope he made some big fat guy in jail a pretty wife
Weatherspoon1stFalconsPick???
by JJWatt1stfalconspick on Aug 12, 2010 3:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
To give his herpes to.
In the odd chance that same genders can actually procreate, let us hope that two inmates don’t be the first.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Why he deserves a 1
What I see most of the people saying he deserves a 10 see mto be forgetting is that you are not rating someone’s play only. You are rating that person as a Falcon both on and off the field. How can you say he defines being a Falcon when all he really did was trash the team off the field and have couple decent seasons as a running back under center?
There was no doubt he was exciting to watch but so is the college triple option. That doesn’t mean he was a great Falcon at all though. It’s not like his on negatives were that he played for another team or he made a negative comment or 2 about the team. I am not sure if he was trying to ruin the teams image or if it was a subconcous thing but he show cases exactly what we don’t want the players to be. I would rather have a losing team with good people than a great team full of jerks simply because it makes it that much sweeter when something good does happen.
I sincerely hope he has learned his lesson and has cleaned up his act but that doesn’t change what he did when he was the face of the franchise.
by Falcons Fan in WA on Aug 12, 2010 5:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
you mean...
I agree…people seem to be have a double standard when it comes to vick. They can rate him high because he was a good player but “all his other off the field and after-falcons playing days” dont count? So Dave, I like what this guy said. Can you go back and add at least a 2 to everyone that played for a different team because all the vick fans seem to think we can forget about anything except what the players did as a falcon and only on the field.
What do we think of Joe Johnson
How Hawkly is he now that he made those comments about Atlanta fans?
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
oh yes I should add
I doubt it. People like Vick never really seem that remorseful. If they are then I mean they never change and improve their actions. Old habits diehard or never die at all. Well I was going to use another analogy but I don’t want to update Dave about a religious comment.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I was firmly in the "give him a "4" and move on...
…but then I remembered where the Falcons were when we drafted him. We had gone from the Superbowl to successive 5-11, 4-12, 7-9 seasons. MV7 takes the starting role, Falcons go 9-7, and beat the Packers in the playoffs IN LAMBEAU. Okay, we go 5-11 the next year, but that was the DOUG JOHNSON and KURT KITTNER year that resulted in Dan Reeves’ exit. MV7 returned part time against the Texans in week 13, but really started the next week against Carolina, throwing for 179, rushing for 141 (and a TD). MV7 was 3-1 as a starter in that abortion year. The next year we went 11-5, then 8-8, then the finale of the Vick era at 7-9. So: MV led 2 very good teams, and two amazingly average teams with little talent.
If this last paragraph were the whole story, MV7 would be a solid “9” – as we all know, there was more to the story. Dude was Nuke Laloosh: $5 million arm, 5 cent head. Sure, he brought new fans to the dome… but half of them blame the Falcons organization for the guy going to PRISON. In the last month I’ve had 3 conversations with people who said “I was a Falcons fan until the team done him wrong.” WHAT? We should have just paid him MORE money while he sat his ass in prison?
This paragraph should have made him a 4 at best. So I averaged the 2 Mike Vicks, and rounded up to give him a 7. Sue me.
One comment for the "Falcony" side that was left off
Vick – for all his successes and struggles provided one lasting contribution to the franchise. When he was officially cut from the team, he flushed out all the “supposed” Falcons fans who swore they’d never return to the dome again. For them, race as opposed to record was always the most important statistic. These individuals absolutely thought that drafting Glenn Dorsey, suffering through another 3-5 wind season, then welcoming Vick back with loving and faithful arms was a legitimate way to run the team and franchise. Unbelievable.
A more complete guage of his “Falcony-ness” would be the measurement of how many of his former teammates wanted him back on the team. I feel confident that number is below 5.
Wow, I never thought about that
People wanted Glenn Dorsey over Ryan because Dorsey was Black, and Ryan, isn’t.
But have we heard of Dorsey’s name at least like Aaron Schobel or Mario Williams?
Even if we didn’t those fans probably would still be high and happy.
BTW (ABOVE comment I made) UPDATE=UPSET Dave about a religious comment
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
2
for the amount of middle fingers he gave to Atlanta (both in a implicit and explicit sense). I’ll still remember you for all the non-controversial stuff you did once I remember them. Stay classy, Michael Vick.
Ron Artest = Ron (sm)Artest - He Is The Most Interesting Man In The World
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Aug 12, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Not to mention, when you factor in how many players the management disposed due to Michael Vick Era ties
1.) Alge Crumpler (T-Shirt Tribute)
2.) DeAngelo Hall (T-Shirt Tribute)
3.) Matt Schaub (Traded For 2nd Rounder. What if we still had him during the Joey Harrington day?)
4.) Warrick Dunn
5.) Jimmy Williams (VT Ties. He was a beast on Madden 07 though)
6.) Chris Houston (T-Shirt Tribute)
7.) Joe Horn (T-Shirt Tribute)
Some might have been let go due to “age, conduct detriment to team, or position” the fact is that the Falcons wanted to rid themselves of the idea of Vick.That’s when you know you’ve made an impact on a franchise!
Ron Artest = Ron (sm)Artest - He Is The Most Interesting Man In The World
by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If we still had Schaub
We might not have JA98 or our 2007 second rounder.
Ryan may be on the Ravens or another team like the Raiders, Cheifs etc.
Petrino could have still been here, unless he wanted to quit for some other BS reason.
Crumpler Horn and Hall Signed their pink slip during that Saints game didn’t they?
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's been said but I'll say it again
Even if Vick never did anything stupid off the field to make himself and the team look bad, he would get a low rating because he simply did not put forth the kind of effort that one expects from a professional athlete. He could have been one of the greatest QBs of all time, maybe even THE greatest, but he refused to try. If he had actually done the things QBs are supposed to do—prepare, run plays, stuff like that—he would have been the centerpiece of a dominant Atlanta team. Can anyone imagine a reality in which the Falcons win a Superbowl with Vick’s style of play? Can anyone recall him EVER saying anything good about the Atlanta Falcons or their fans even when he played here? Is it not telling that it took one year of rebuilding after Vick to craft a much stronger and more cohesive team than we ever seemed to have when he was around? Is there any doubt that this guy is the biggest waste of talent in the history of professional sports?
To those who still love Vick, be assured of this: Vick does not care. He did not appreciate you when he played for Atlanta, and he does not appreciate you now. Every action he has ever taken as a professional athlete indicates a concern for himself above all else. He is visibly ungrateful for the support and infinite second chances he receives for half-assing a job he has never pretended to care about. Every time I see someone in a #7 jersey I feel like I’m watching Michael Vick laugh in their face.
by ArthurDank on Aug 12, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Wow - yes, Rec'd
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Erase him..
Can he be erased from the books like they do in college! If not then 1..
You can't truly erase history
No matter how truly horrific and offensive it is. Some people may have an issue with the confederate flag. But even as a colored person, regardless it’s history and we must accept it.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 13, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And hey, I respect that
I don’t want anyone to get the impression that I’m hating on you if you still like Vick. Just please don’t be offended that some of us really aren’t all that fond of him.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
by Dave Choate on Aug 13, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Would you say that we are better because of him?
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 13, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions
In some ways yes
True fans can now appreciate what it means to have a QB that can truly be a very, very good NFL level QB. One that plays team ball and doesn’t strive for individual attention. Vicks issues led to Petrino leaving the team. Without him leaving we would not have MS as the current coach.
The sad thing is that the things Vick did to make the team better were because he was not a very good person.
You guys come off as though, we who want to see the guy do well and not hate him, are not real falcons fans or second class fans (if that’s relatable)…hell there are even other post on here claiming vick supporters are from “the dumps/ghettoes of Atlanta” or black…it’s hard not to get offended seeing that….like many other people around my age (15-19) vick was the only reason I’d decided not go to church to watch football, i became a falcons fan because of vick and you can question my legitimacy if you wish, but I’ll tell you this If I were not a true falcons fan I’d be supporting the Eagles right about now……I’m a falcons fan for life, I bleed red and black. RISE UP!
I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.
by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Aug 13, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you are referring to me.
I see that a vast majority of Vick supporters come from that particular demographic. I know there are a few exceptions. But the Majority essentially rule and as human beings that’s how we (unfortunately but coincidentally) will see it. Vick and most of his supporters comes from a certain demographic and there is no denying it. I live in a piece of it myself in East Atlanta. Sure it doesn’t compare to the West Side but I get the idea.
Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.
by brotherbrown on Aug 13, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions
No, you're clearly a real Falcons fan
I have very little respect for people who claimed to be Falcons fans and then left the team once Vick left. Anyone who is still a Falcons fan and a Vick fan….well, why not? I can understand that. You guys came in when he was the most exciting player in the NFL. I can hardly blame anyone for that, and I don’t.
And look, I don’t wish the guy ill. I hope he has a successful career and life after here. His lack of appreciation for the Falcons and their fans still staggers me, though.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
I'm not that fond of him anymore
I think it all worked out in the end. I’m not a full out Falcons fan, the team is better now than it has been in the past, and the organization as a whole seems very solid.
Thug
Never was more than this and never will be more than this.
MV7 = scrub
The dude got punked on Pros Vs. Joes by a couple of college wannabes.
Life is a garden. Dig it!
by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
I voted 4
I’ve never been a fan of kciV, but you can’t deny the impact he had in excitement (and wins).
Nit-pick: His “avoiding Sacks” is a total misconception. He held on to the ball so long trying to make something happen, he would allow more sacks. His Sack rate was worse than league average every single year (check his PFR page), and in 2003 both Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner had better Sack rates behind the same O-Line.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
My God, man
Kittner! Every time his name comes up, I have a seizure.
Sign up for a free account today to join the discussion about all things Atlanta Falcons!
by Dave Choate on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a sure fire" #2 "
But still had to give him a one

by 
























