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The Scale of Falconliness, Quarterbacks Week: Michael Vick

Who's the ultimate Falcon? And who's the ultimate anti-Falcon? That's what we're going to find out with our summer project: the Scale of Falconliness. We'll rate former Falcons on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most Falconly. The rule: minimum of three seasons with the Falcons for coaches, five seasons for players.

This should go well.

Michael Vick, Quarterback (2001 - 2006 )

Falconly Unfalconly
  • 2003 NFL MVP runner-up and ESPY NFL Player of the Year.
  • 2002, 2004, and 2005 Pro Bowler. More Pro Bowls than any other Falcons quarterback.
  • One of the two or three most talented and exciting athletes in Atlanta sports history. Easily the league's most exciting player at the time.
  • The only Falcons QB besides Steve Bartkowski to lead the team on multiple playoff runs. The only Falcons QB besides Chris Chandler to reach the NFC Championship Game. (Usually we'd point out football is a team game, and quarterbacks get too much credit or blame. But Vick was a special case -- that team had zero playoff chances without him, as 2003 proved.)
  • Third on the NFL's all-time list in career quarterback rushing yards; first in rushing yards per game. All-time yards-per-attempt leader among all qualifying players.
  • Fourth in career passing yards and touchdowns as a Falcon -- if we include rushing contributions, which we kind of should since yards are yards and touchdowns are touchdowns, he's third and second respectively. 
  • More games as a Falcons QB than anyone besides Bartkowski.
  • .575 career winning percentage as a Falcon, by far the best of any passers who started five or more seasons or pretty much any other Falcons passers too. During his career, the Falcons went 9-19 in games he missed -- 13-31, if we count 2007.
  • "He wadn't never a real korterback" types tend to overlook the fact that he contributed more total yards and touchdowns per game than any Falcons quarterback besides Jeff George; his career passer rating was within 0.3 points of Bartkowski's; his yards per attempt were within 0.3 yards of Bartkowski's, despite playing in Dan Reeves' incredibly complex-yet-bland offense and Jim Mora's ill-fitting West Coast mess; his career interception percentage was better than Chandler's, Chris Miller's, Bob Berry's, or Bartkowski's; and so on. 
  • Yes, his completion percentage fell below 55% for one of his four complete seasons. Do we think he made up for that by avoiding sacks, drawing half of every defender's attention at all times, forcing opposing offenses to play cautiously, and running for over 50 yards a game, or are we not familiar with the whole point of football offense? If a quarterback's job is to complete passes, Vick was decent. If it's to help his team win, Vick was briefly at least as good as any other Falcon, and I think that's a conservative statement.
  • Made the Falcons matter -- nationally and statewide. For a good twenty months or so, a player in a Falcons jersey was the face of the league. You can argue that most Vick fans are still just Vick fans, but quite a few became Falcons fans. Anecdotal evidence: last year I met a fan who signed on to pro football because of Vick, but stuck around after Vick left. He was wearing a replica Brian Finneran jersey at a Goodie Mob show, one of the slickest venue-ensemble combinations a brother could ever dream up.
  • Two Sports Illustrated covers, several ESPN the Magazine covers, Madden 2004, and a half-dozen national endorsements as a Falcon, including Atlanta companies like AirTran and Coca-Cola...
  • Dogs.
  • Lies.
  • The finger.
  • Ron Mexico.
  • Still owes millions of dollars to all sorts of people due to stupid business moves.
  • Read through his list of legal incidents -- I'm sure there's a couple you've forgotten by now. Wheeeee!
  • The water bottle. (If you believe it was really just oregano or whatever, we'd like to live a day in your reality. Before doing so, we'd leave ourselves notes about anthills tasting like cotton candy and set up cameras to record the action. But then the next day when we returned to our reality we'd have antbites throughout our digestive system, so the joke would be on us. Which would remind us of much of Vick's career.)
  • (For this side of the ledger, perhaps I could've just said "Responsible for more Smoking Gun articles than the rest of the NFC South combined.")
  • Bought a luxury car on his way to jail. Failed a drug test in prison. For f***'s sake, Mike.
  • Poor leadership: failed to establish his criminal empire in such a way that his subordinates are aware it's their job to take 100% of the fall. Has apparently never seen The Wire.
  • Has admitted he didn't really try all that hard as a Falcon, despite signing a $100 million contract. Not that we needed him to admit that. I don't really like Star Wars, but you know that scene where whoever says to Anakin, "You were the chosen one! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them. You were to bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness." Yeah. (Copied from IMDB, I swear.)
  • "Dragged Roddy White into a Virginia gunfight" would be a sensational way to put it, but...
  • This list is so amazing, it feels dumb to include minor transgressions like "once spotted in a Yankees hat." If Bob Berry had wore a Yankees hat around Atlanta, that would be half of his demerits.
  • Responsible for countless AJC.com comment section Klan rallies (and their offspring, the Weekly Matt Ryan Reverse Racism Seminar). For a while, visiting the city paper's website felt like watching O.J. Simpson drive through Alabama for pageviews, which was embarrassing. Now they just scream vintage college football scoreboard copypasta at each other for hours, which is pretty true to life.
  • ...plus one Sports Illustrated cover as an inmate.
  • America hated him for a long time, and most lumped the Falcons in with him. Seeing highlights of many Atlantans cheering Vick's return as an Eagle didn't help.

 

Current standings after the jump:

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How Falconly is Michael Vick?
1
128 votes
2
29 votes
3
20 votes
4
21 votes
5
43 votes
6
30 votes
7
19 votes
8
23 votes
9
6 votes
10
69 votes

388 votes | Poll has closed

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guy’s name is a powder keg. I gave him a 7 because I think all the good and excitement that he brought to Atlanta and Atlanta Falcons fans for years outweighed the main ugly incident that everyone knows about. The silver lining is that once he “left” we really saw what kind of team we had and knew that we needed a lot of help and a new coach (stupid puketrino). Puketrino is just under dumb Robinson from the SB incident in 98.

Let me make it clear. I enjoyed the years he was here but I wouldn’t want him back on my team.

Oh and one other thing for the list. You may have covered it under “Lies” but I think lying to Arthur Blank deserves a bullet of its own. He was behind MV7 100% and if he told the truth might have turned out a little differently for him.

by Fear Me on Aug 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I became a Falcons fan because of him

If not this team i would haveended up a philly fan. My dad is a strong philly fan(because thats the area he grew up). Even though Vick gets the dumbass award after jail he was a different person.

by LORD91 on Aug 12, 2010 8:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

It is amazing to me

That still to this day when you mention Mike Vick its like you said, a Powder Keg. Some guy posted a fanshot talking about this. Here it is…. I thought it was interesting- http://www.tnspsportsnet.com/local-sports/u-need-some-jesus-falcons-edition/

by CaptainDrew on Sep 10, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

this was hard to rate

I am a young Falcons fan and Vick is the reason why – he brought a spark to this team and caught the media’s attention and inadvertantly, my attention.

I want to rate him high because of what he did while he was apart of the team, but the fact that it was never for the team and he was ridiculously selfish, though his actions led to the franchise we know and love today, I had to give him a 5.

He is far beyond deserving of a 1 but far below deserving of a 10.

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by MentallyMIA on Aug 11, 2010 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I can't vote on this

In my honest opinion, it’s impossible to assign Vick a number. He’s just too polarizing, even in my own mind, to give him a 10, a 1 or even a 5.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 11, 2010 1:29 PM EDT reply actions  

I gotta say...

I agree 100%. I really can’t decide…

My first reaction was to give him a one, but then I got sentimental (this all occurred within about 3 seconds). I gave him a 6, but I’m not sure why.

"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta

by TomQ on Aug 11, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Amen. I voted 4, and it would take me about thirty minutes to justify that.

Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962

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by Jason Kirk on Aug 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree...

I voted 4 too…I stared at the screen for a long time…My rationale? 5 would be average, thus I split the difference between the two poles and then docked him one for, you know, all that crap on the right…

I just couldn’t give him a one…he did SOME good for the team…

by Jman781 on Aug 11, 2010 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nope.

The question here is not whether he was a good player or not. It’s how “Falconly” he was. I’m not sure what that means exactly, but I just can’t voice any support or approval for someone who participated in dog-fighting. In my book it’s just barely less evil than molesting children.

As for his on-field performance, Vick was an electrifying player to watch but I never felt like we had a solid, dependable offense with him. Sure, he rushed for a zillion yards, but that was almost always the result of him not being able to find a receiver and then “just winging it” with his astonishing natural talents. Improv is fun to watch but it won’t win a championship.

by Mad Molecule on Aug 11, 2010 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

10

Good or bad, he will always be the most infamous (“Not just famous.. IN famous”) Falcon ever. I concur with Dave’s comment about him being so polarizing. I don’t think I have ever had an athlete give me such a range of emotions. I nearly vomited with joy after that OT run against the Vikings, I felt incredible disgust when I heard about the things he did off the field. Like it or not, MV7 is responsible for the resurrection of the teams relevance in the sporting world. For that, he is a 10.

In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.

by runningback on Aug 11, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, this will be a lot of 10 and 0...

MV7 was all about MV7… 0

Football is played with an oblong ball. Take your roundball and GTFO...

by NaGaNole on Aug 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

11 1's, 9 10's.

This is absolutely glorious.

Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962

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by Jason Kirk on Aug 11, 2010 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha

That is pretty much the dictionary definition of polarizing.

In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.

by runningback on Aug 11, 2010 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was flashy.

As in flash-in-the-pan-ny. You’d get three, four great plays out of him a game and then in between all that, the opponents were scoring. Yes, he was almost entirely the only reason we made it to the NFC Championship in 04.

The Falcons need strong, firm leadership and (as a team) a will to win. They didn’t have that with Vick and Reeves/Mora/Petrino. They’ve got it with Ryan/Smith/Dimitroff.

He helped establish a good fanbase for the franchise to move forward with. It’s just a shame he couldn’t stay out of trouble long enough to bring what he built to the pinnacle.

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by Adam Schultz on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

um

is there a zero, or even better a negative one billion…? I think you know where I stand in regards to the player who shall remain nameless. I still have 3 of his jersies if you want em. they may have some brown stains on them but oh well…

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 11, 2010 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

10!!

The greatest QB the Falcons ever had, and ever will have. Michael Vick for President!!! A True future Hall of Famer!! VIVA RON MEXICO!!!!!!!!!!

by !AtlFalcons-fan! on Aug 11, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Same Stuff Vick was apparently

Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.

by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

nah

that bottle was empty…

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

4.

As stated before, I didn’t really become a Falcons fanatic til 2008…and so that electric play-making lighting in a bottle stuff doesn’t really carry a lot of weight with me. What he did to this franchise (and this city) is unforgivable. The only reason I give him a 4 is because he is responsible for lifting the franchise out of obscurity, if only to leave it in shambles later.

And that “he’s responsible for Mike Smith and Matt Ryan and TD coming here” is a terrible reason to call Vick Falconly. If you want to thank someone for that, thank Blank. Don’t thank Vick. He doesn’t care.

by orion12 on Aug 11, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

1

As much as he was a freakish athlete, he was an even more freakish idiot. The guy might be one of the worst human beings, let alone Falcons, to walk the planet. And if you still love him after all the stupidity and failure he brought to this team, then let me direct you here.

by TheAreopagite on Aug 11, 2010 2:57 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Synergy rec

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by Jason Kirk on Aug 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

5

I gave him a 5. He was my favourite player and while I am trying my best to hate him and snickering to my girlfriend whenever I see someone wearing his Philly jersey in a mall I just can’t help it. I love this guy. I even had him and his 2 TDs on my fantasy team last year. I cannot stop MV7 from being my favourite player. He was either the best or worst player we ever had. In my opinion he was simply the best. But despite being the man while he was here, no one has hurt this franchise more. The fact that we came out of it so fast is thanks to Dimitrinoff being the best GM in the league.

by AErskine on Aug 11, 2010 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

6

This is one of the hardest questions ever asked. When Michael Vick went to prison i said i would rather my wife leave me. But as far as being the greatest falcons qb id say hes 4th behind Bartowski, Chandler and Miller and maybee Toliver just for beating the 49ers on a Hail Mary. But MV7 leaves me feeling empty handed, he was by far the most athletic Falcon and the most exciting to watch. And as well as Matty Ice Ryan plays hell always not be as favorite as MV7 cause for some crazy reason live Mick Vick said before he went to prison Everyone Loves Michael Vick….But with all that being said he really screwed us Falcons fans hard and i hate seeing him in a Philly Jersey…

by Kimo Coelho on Aug 11, 2010 4:33 PM EDT reply actions  

My opinion...

Is that he was one of the most gifted athletes of all time in any sport and because of that everything was always handed to him on a silver platter and any wrong he did would be washed under the rug (as we can see by some of the responses on here).
If he were to have applied himself in any way at all to study the game, opposing defenses, his own receivers and lineman and that amazing thing called the playbook than we would have had a QB of the ages. No contest. Instead, he even admitted he never took it seriously (and people still forgave him????), dirty bird’d the fans, oregeno-juana bottle, lied to the commish, Mr. Blank, killed dogs for sport….essentially he epitomizes what every young athlete should strive not to be.
I dont even feel right giving him a 1 because that is too high. And to think, I bought my son his jersey…

Being “Falconly” to me is not setting records. It is in being part of the fandom, it is standing up through the face of adversity and persevering regardless of the losing streak we held and it is overcoming anything set in your path to do all that you can do without having the benefit of a good system/ownership (that is, until Mr. Blank came along). It is being the underdog and being proud of what can be accomplished in spite of it. That is Falconly.

by muuzilla on Aug 11, 2010 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Well said

You know I was teetering on whether to give him a 10 or a 0. To me, there was no in between. Dave, I would like to change my vote to 0. I thank muuzilla for clearing something up for me. Perhaps I confused popularity with “Falcony”.

His on the field exploits made him about as popular as an athlete can be. His notoriety is what made him a household name that transcended the sports world. Bringing that type of shame to the team and to the city is VERY unfalcony.

Thanks again for reeling me back in, muuzilla.

In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.

by runningback on Aug 11, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

No problem.

Least I could do before I leave for Iraq in the morning. I will try to visit here as much as I can though.
One more thing…GO FALCONS!

by muuzilla on Aug 11, 2010 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“It’s like slapping someone in the face after you piss on them”
Talk about some serious BDSM stuff.
But yeah, great points Rec’d.

Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.

by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is about Falconliness—-person who dedicated himself to the Falcons. Vick could care less about the Falcon Fans nor his former team. For that reason I’d give him a 1, and added 2 points for the “Short term” excitement he brought to the team.

My grade 3

by JCush on Aug 11, 2010 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup, I knew there'd be mostly 1's and 10's. . .

How’s that for polarizing? In spite of everything he’s done wrong, simply couldn’t give him lower than a 4 for putting us on the NFL map. Quite simply, he did. He did more to put the Falcons on the tongues of average NFL fans than even a ‘98 Super Bowl appearance did, IMO. Hell, Artie likely would’ve never gotten the bug, the drive and desire to actually TRY to build a winning franchise if it weren’t for the taste of success he got from con-Vick. Three years removed, now, as always, the most polarizing figure in the history of Atlanta sports, hell the history of Atlanta! Don’t get me wrong, I hate him for what he did to us, yet memories of Lambeau, of flashing past Minnesota DB’s as if they were running in Jello, still give me goosebumps.

by 4thabirds on Aug 11, 2010 5:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Only reason I gave him a 1

is because there was nothing lower.

Vick was gifted as a running QB but not as a QB. His passing stats were/are terrible. Falconly yes if you like a perennial loser QB that essentially refused to focus on anyone else in the offense but himself. Why were his rushing numbers so good? Because he would not stay in the pocket and pass. Hell, he could not pass accurately so running was probably the better option.

I remember when Vick was drafted and I felt a combination of disappointed and anger. The reason being only 1 running QB has ever won a Super Bowl or Super Bowls and that was Steve Young. Even for Young he would run secondarily and was an accurate passer. Vick was NEVER an accurate passer.

Vick was a black eye on the Falcons and one of the worst mistakes the team ever made, only second to Bobby Petrino.

by mwalex on Aug 11, 2010 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

ONE...That is all he cared about...Look out for #1.

Athletically…A freak of nature. If the NFL was a one-on-one contest, he would have won the Super Bowl each year. He got to the NFL by doing his own thing. That was all he ever needed to know. (A note to Arthur Blank: You did not do him any favors by firing Reeves)
Yes I am one of those “he ain’t no QB” guys. Just imagine…Combine the average NFL QB’s preparation, ability to read a defense and “team first” mentality with his physical talents.
Off the field: The last memories we have of vick is a long list of stupidity (which is still growing…as in birthday party with known felons in attendance). In real life, you are always gauged on your latest accomplishments. Don’t think so? Ask your boss.

by CaptK on Aug 11, 2010 7:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Niners fan.

This is one of the greatest ideas for a series of posts ever. I love it.

And then God created Saturn... and he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Twitter me and what not.

by James Brady on Aug 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

No-One can replace Mike Vick

As far as I’m concerned Vick is still a falcon and always will be in my book no doubt, no matter how much we try to distance ourselves from him we can’t, if we could there wouldn’t be a post to see how falconly he is….Most of my falcons memories has Vick razzling and dazzling and i don’t see that going away anytime soon………I do not condone any of his off field antics, be it dog fighting or whatever else. I get disgusted thinking about it. But above all that i think Vick is the ultimate falcon.

I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.

by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Aug 11, 2010 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Your comment is an excellent example....

Of the weird paradox that has cropped up around Vick. Odd that so many can be disgusted by his off-the-field behavior and still think of him as the “ultimate Falcon.”

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by Dave Choate on Aug 11, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grading him is.....impossible.

On one hand, you have all those terrible incidents that we remember him being a part of, as is shown in the falconly/unfalconly list.

However, for a time, he was essentially Mr. Falcon.

Falconly, like it or not, was Mike Vick. Our image wasn’t always so beautiful, especially when Vick came around. Also, like it or not, he brought a lot of attention to a team that lived in the dumps.

Since the regime change and all the hell that broke loose with Vick, our definition of Falconly has probably changed a lot. I’m not defending the man by any means, but grading the whole body of work, in my opinion, constitutes a 5…..ish, but I couldn’t give you a definite number, there’s way too many factors.

If you judge him based on “What have you done for me lately?” then absolutely I would find a number closer to absolute zero, but that wouldn’t be fair to Vick or to anyone else we’ve talked about in the scale of falconliness.

Just my 2 cents.

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by Zippo729 on Aug 11, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

“he brought a lot of attention to a team that lived in the dumps.”

Ironic that you say that as with my comment below.
Many people that support him comes from the dumps ghettoes of Atlanta. So I guess he was relatable to those people and they saw him as a messiah or muhummad of some sort.

Since the regime change and all the hell that broke loose with Vick, our definition of Falconly has probably changed a lot

Absolutely right
That’s what I was talking about in the very first Scale of Falconliness (before I realized it was a series on DVD)

Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.

by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

so basically you’re saying only black people support Michael Vick?

I'll Have A Matty Ice Please.

by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Aug 12, 2010 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

no not at all

But a vast majority supports him primarily because of that. I’ve seen some non black Vick fans, and I’m sure they have their reasons. They are probably the most relatable to african americans as well.

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy.

Who is less Falconly, Vick or Petrino?

by widderslainte on Aug 11, 2010 9:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Petrino

Next Question

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Petrino, still

Vick at least did some good things during his time with the Falcons. If you can name one good thing Petrino did, you’re doing better than me.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 12, 2010 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least Vick didn’t Resign from the team on NO notice to join another.
Petrino I think had a decent 2007 draft AFTER JA98 Stephen Nicholas and Snelling.
After that, he’s crap. He had no remorse, or heart.
The Grinch is nicer than him.

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brilliant! Rec'd!

Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.

by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got one!

Petrino brought in semi-capable back-up QB Chris Redman. That’s sorta good, right?

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by orang3b on Aug 13, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ron Mexico

5. He should have had more sense than that.

by johnnybacardi on Aug 11, 2010 10:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Give me a f-in break

Everyone thats bashing Vick now just shows poor class. Sure ATL never won anything while he was here but the franchise was almost always competitive and was at the very least was exciting to watch. I still support Vick and wish him the best in his career (except when he plays Atlanta).

by qthaballa on Aug 11, 2010 10:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a Vick basher

always have been and always will. Why? Because he was a loser and led the team down a bad path. I detest what he did off the field but I’m not even taking that into account when I’m voicing my opinion.

Being exciting to watch means NOTHING in the NFL if the goal is to win a Super Bowl. Payton Manning is not exciting but I would have much rather have had him as QB than Vick. Actually, there was a period of time where Vick was being paid more than Manning. Pretty interesting when you compare their stats.

I can just as easily say that Vick supporters are showing no class because they have no concept of how a team works, what a team player means, how being selfish leads to mediocrity and it’s better to be exciting than have class. I won’t go into the value of like or lack there of in this case.

Oh yeah, in many cases the Falcons were not competitive while Vick was the QB. After all ATL just put together their first two back to back winning seasons. That was something that did not happen with Vick.

by mwalex on Aug 11, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've said all along that I've wanted him to do good things with his life

I strive to not be a vindicative person. I can probably count on one hand the number of people I truly hate, and Vick ain’t one of them.

But c’mon, man. HE showed poor class by admitting he never tried here—and of course, not trying here—and delighting in beating the former team that gave him so much. Not to mention the legal troubles. I’m willing to move on and wish him the best, but I don’t believe it’s in anyone’s best interest to pretend the bad stuff never happened.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 12, 2010 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Atlanta is full of a lot of black people that like to support their own kind, and Vick epitomized that. That’s why with all the issues he had, Vick supporters still loved him, infact they loved him more because of that. It made him cool, one of the guys in the hood just doing his thing. Although I’m not into that, I was thinking some of the the consequential treatment he was getting like from PETA was unfair.
But let alone, despite him not being a role model and not worthy of our team and sometimes overrated, he was still an exciting player to watch that could make something happen (just not at clutch times) broke records. Vick was the offense. Without him we saw how bad we really was.
However like someone said. If it wasn’t for Vick, we may never have Matt Ryan, Dimitroff, and Mike Smith, or what we have now.
So I think Vick at least deserves a five. He’s like the person you’d think that was the one, though you though maybe there could be something better so you settle for less hoping that that person will turn it around, and then lighting strikes and a Jamarcus Russel like black hole unexpectantly occurs and you have a rut then things work out for the best.

We had to go through a year of hell to get to our heaven (still a work in progress), and our Jesus Matt Ryan is leading the way through the red sea 2010 season

Wish the same story would be true for me though…no fairy tales in life

Perhaps, I must go through Hell to get to Heaven......................if there is one.

by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 12:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Good point

I’ll just go ahead and say it. MV7 was fraking crucified for what he did. YES it was horrible, but how many people who have done far worse & have gotten off far easier. Keep counting…. I can wait.

In a way, each of us has an El Guapo to face.

by runningback on Aug 12, 2010 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know...

Tell me about it. I mean…
1. if I flipped people off on national TV (a federal violation) I would have had a pay a stiff fine, especially considering my pay check.
2. If I tried to get through airport security with oregenojuana I would have been arrested on the spot. I might still be waiting for my trial date.
3. if I didnt apply myself properly at work I could have been fired. Or worse yet, someone using my equipment might have died.

It sucks that all he had to deal with in light of the above 3 was a little mocking. I do agree about the dog issue though…if one of us average people did that, I doubt we would have been sent to Leavenworth. But if we would have gone to jail it would have been to a state jail I imagine.

I would totally love to see Vick do more for the kids and community than what he is doing. Has he shown remorse? No. Was he treated unfairly for the NFL suspension? No. Lets remember people, the NFL is a privately owned business and they have the right to fire and hire as they see fit…just like the local 7-11 and JC Penny’s. If I was arrested and spent time in jail I would not have my job back and I would be doing all I can to find another job which would probably pay me much less than I could live off of.

Well, off to the airport for my Dubai-Kuwait-Baghdad series of flights.

by muuzilla on Aug 12, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Classic example Ray Lewis

And to a lesser extent, the Juice.
Now I want me some OJ (the drink)

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

1

i hope he made some big fat guy in jail a pretty wife

Weatherspoon1stFalconsPick???

by JJWatt1stfalconspick on Aug 12, 2010 3:22 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

To give his herpes to.

In the odd chance that same genders can actually procreate, let us hope that two inmates don’t be the first.

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why he deserves a 1

What I see most of the people saying he deserves a 10 see mto be forgetting is that you are not rating someone’s play only. You are rating that person as a Falcon both on and off the field. How can you say he defines being a Falcon when all he really did was trash the team off the field and have couple decent seasons as a running back under center?

There was no doubt he was exciting to watch but so is the college triple option. That doesn’t mean he was a great Falcon at all though. It’s not like his on negatives were that he played for another team or he made a negative comment or 2 about the team. I am not sure if he was trying to ruin the teams image or if it was a subconcous thing but he show cases exactly what we don’t want the players to be. I would rather have a losing team with good people than a great team full of jerks simply because it makes it that much sweeter when something good does happen.

 I sincerely hope he has learned his lesson and has cleaned up his act but that doesn’t change what he did when he was the face of the franchise.

by Falcons Fan in WA on Aug 12, 2010 5:24 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

you mean...

I agree…people seem to be have a double standard when it comes to vick. They can rate him high because he was a good player but “all his other off the field and after-falcons playing days” dont count? So Dave, I like what this guy said. Can you go back and add at least a 2 to everyone that played for a different team because all the vick fans seem to think we can forget about anything except what the players did as a falcon and only on the field.

by muuzilla on Aug 12, 2010 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

What do we think of Joe Johnson

How Hawkly is he now that he made those comments about Atlanta fans?

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh yes I should add

I doubt it. People like Vick never really seem that remorseful. If they are then I mean they never change and improve their actions. Old habits diehard or never die at all. Well I was going to use another analogy but I don’t want to update Dave about a religious comment.

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was firmly in the "give him a "4" and move on...

…but then I remembered where the Falcons were when we drafted him. We had gone from the Superbowl to successive 5-11, 4-12, 7-9 seasons. MV7 takes the starting role, Falcons go 9-7, and beat the Packers in the playoffs IN LAMBEAU. Okay, we go 5-11 the next year, but that was the DOUG JOHNSON and KURT KITTNER year that resulted in Dan Reeves’ exit. MV7 returned part time against the Texans in week 13, but really started the next week against Carolina, throwing for 179, rushing for 141 (and a TD). MV7 was 3-1 as a starter in that abortion year. The next year we went 11-5, then 8-8, then the finale of the Vick era at 7-9. So: MV led 2 very good teams, and two amazingly average teams with little talent.

If this last paragraph were the whole story, MV7 would be a solid “9” – as we all know, there was more to the story. Dude was Nuke Laloosh: $5 million arm, 5 cent head. Sure, he brought new fans to the dome… but half of them blame the Falcons organization for the guy going to PRISON. In the last month I’ve had 3 conversations with people who said “I was a Falcons fan until the team done him wrong.” WHAT? We should have just paid him MORE money while he sat his ass in prison?

This paragraph should have made him a 4 at best. So I averaged the 2 Mike Vicks, and rounded up to give him a 7. Sue me.

by Mnemonic on Aug 12, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

One comment for the "Falcony" side that was left off

Vick – for all his successes and struggles provided one lasting contribution to the franchise. When he was officially cut from the team, he flushed out all the “supposed” Falcons fans who swore they’d never return to the dome again. For them, race as opposed to record was always the most important statistic. These individuals absolutely thought that drafting Glenn Dorsey, suffering through another 3-5 wind season, then welcoming Vick back with loving and faithful arms was a legitimate way to run the team and franchise. Unbelievable.

A more complete guage of his “Falcony-ness” would be the measurement of how many of his former teammates wanted him back on the team. I feel confident that number is below 5.

by RynoRedhawk31 on Aug 12, 2010 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow, I never thought about that

People wanted Glenn Dorsey over Ryan because Dorsey was Black, and Ryan, isn’t.
But have we heard of Dorsey’s name at least like Aaron Schobel or Mario Williams?
Even if we didn’t those fans probably would still be high and happy.

BTW (ABOVE comment I made) UPDATE=UPSET Dave about a religious comment

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

2

for the amount of middle fingers he gave to Atlanta (both in a implicit and explicit sense). I’ll still remember you for all the non-controversial stuff you did once I remember them. Stay classy, Michael Vick.

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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Aug 12, 2010 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to mention, when you factor in how many players the management disposed due to Michael Vick Era ties

1.) Alge Crumpler (T-Shirt Tribute)
2.) DeAngelo Hall (T-Shirt Tribute)
3.) Matt Schaub (Traded For 2nd Rounder. What if we still had him during the Joey Harrington day?)
4.) Warrick Dunn
5.) Jimmy Williams (VT Ties. He was a beast on Madden 07 though)
6.) Chris Houston (T-Shirt Tribute)
7.) Joe Horn (T-Shirt Tribute)

Some might have been let go due to “age, conduct detriment to team, or position” the fact is that the Falcons wanted to rid themselves of the idea of Vick.That’s when you know you’ve made an impact on a franchise!

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by JoshChildressAfroIsCure4Cancer on Aug 12, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we still had Schaub

We might not have JA98 or our 2007 second rounder.
Ryan may be on the Ravens or another team like the Raiders, Cheifs etc.
Petrino could have still been here, unless he wanted to quit for some other BS reason.

Crumpler Horn and Hall Signed their pink slip during that Saints game didn’t they?

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by brotherbrown on Aug 12, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow - yes, Rec'd

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by orang3b on Aug 13, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Erase him..

Can he be erased from the books like they do in college! If not then 1..

by DesertFalcon on Aug 12, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

You can't truly erase history

No matter how truly horrific and offensive it is. Some people may have an issue with the confederate flag. But even as a colored person, regardless it’s history and we must accept it.

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by brotherbrown on Aug 13, 2010 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

And hey, I respect that

I don’t want anyone to get the impression that I’m hating on you if you still like Vick. Just please don’t be offended that some of us really aren’t all that fond of him.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 13, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you say that we are better because of him?

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by brotherbrown on Aug 13, 2010 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

In some ways yes

True fans can now appreciate what it means to have a QB that can truly be a very, very good NFL level QB. One that plays team ball and doesn’t strive for individual attention. Vicks issues led to Petrino leaving the team. Without him leaving we would not have MS as the current coach.

The sad thing is that the things Vick did to make the team better were because he was not a very good person.

by mwalex on Aug 13, 2010 1:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys come off as though, we who want to see the guy do well and not hate him, are not real falcons fans or second class fans (if that’s relatable)…hell there are even other post on here claiming vick supporters are from “the dumps/ghettoes of Atlanta” or black…it’s hard not to get offended seeing that….like many other people around my age (15-19) vick was the only reason I’d decided not go to church to watch football, i became a falcons fan because of vick and you can question my legitimacy if you wish, but I’ll tell you this If I were not a true falcons fan I’d be supporting the Eagles right about now……I’m a falcons fan for life, I bleed red and black. RISE UP!

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by IllHaveAMattyIcePlease on Aug 13, 2010 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you are referring to me.

I see that a vast majority of Vick supporters come from that particular demographic. I know there are a few exceptions. But the Majority essentially rule and as human beings that’s how we (unfortunately but coincidentally) will see it. Vick and most of his supporters comes from a certain demographic and there is no denying it. I live in a piece of it myself in East Atlanta. Sure it doesn’t compare to the West Side but I get the idea.

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by brotherbrown on Aug 13, 2010 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, you're clearly a real Falcons fan

I have very little respect for people who claimed to be Falcons fans and then left the team once Vick left. Anyone who is still a Falcons fan and a Vick fan….well, why not? I can understand that. You guys came in when he was the most exciting player in the NFL. I can hardly blame anyone for that, and I don’t.

And look, I don’t wish the guy ill. I hope he has a successful career and life after here. His lack of appreciation for the Falcons and their fans still staggers me, though.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 13, 2010 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not that fond of him anymore

I think it all worked out in the end. I’m not a full out Falcons fan, the team is better now than it has been in the past, and the organization as a whole seems very solid.

by Mattyice318 on Aug 13, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thug

Never was more than this and never will be more than this.

by Whopper Dawg on Aug 13, 2010 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

MV7 = scrub

The dude got punked on Pros Vs. Joes by a couple of college wannabes.

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by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 13, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I voted 4

I’ve never been a fan of kciV, but you can’t deny the impact he had in excitement (and wins).

Nit-pick: His “avoiding Sacks” is a total misconception. He held on to the ball so long trying to make something happen, he would allow more sacks. His Sack rate was worse than league average every single year (check his PFR page), and in 2003 both Doug Johnson and Kurt Kittner had better Sack rates behind the same O-Line.

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by orang3b on Aug 13, 2010 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

My God, man

Kittner! Every time his name comes up, I have a seizure.

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by Dave Choate on Aug 13, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a sure fire" #2 "

 But still had to give him a one

by chzbykr on Aug 13, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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