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But did any of y'all see D-Led's interview re: the Falcons on EPSN?

I hate to say it, but despite his best efforts, he still doesn't come off as the most knowledgeable beat writer in history.

I mean, he took the completely generic route during his interview, playing up Matty's need to "take the next step," Abe's need "to return to form," and Turner's "new/improved" approach. The man has clearly never heard of pass rushing efficiency.

Thoughts?

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I've never been a D. Led fan...

I didn’t see the interview, but I can imagine your description is spot on. I think they should give his job to one of the Falcoholic writers or D3 from the AJC Birdcage blog. They would do a much better job.

I recently had a comment fight with him when he belittled soccer and soccer players on his blog. He’s pretty much a tool.

"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta

by TomQ on Jul 29, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

I like to blow up bridges

His name keeps making me think it’s Bedwetter.
He seems too geeky and a joke to me to be honest.

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Jul 29, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm going to come to DOL's defense

I don’t think he’s an exceptional beat writer, but he’s a plenty capable one. He’s not writing his articles for the hardcore Falcon fan, he’s writing for the much more common casual one. While we may really get into questions of value and statistical analysis at times, your casual fan would much rather just hear about how the team is on its way up, what the coaches have to say, some basic stats, etc.

I think it’s more a function of his job than anything else. I’ve always found him to be a friendly, accessible guy.

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by Dave Choate on Jul 29, 2010 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I respect your point...

but I disagree. I feel like he barely even tries. I mean seriously, is that his full time job? Given his access to the team, I would think he could come up with some more original material. On top of that complaint, his articles are full of errors – I’m pretty sure he doesn’t proofread (maybe that’s the paper’s fault, but it seems unprofessional). I’m not trying to be mean, I just think our major paper could do much better.

I know you don’t have a mean bone in your body Dave, and I appreciate that about you.

"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta

by TomQ on Jul 29, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, I'm not disagreeing with that

I’m saying that I believe he’s decent enough, and there are some truly reprehensible beat writers out there. I’d much rather have DOL than a lot of them. I’ll also certainly acknowledge there are beat writers who go way, way above and beyond what he does.

The access question is an interesting one. The Falcons as an organization have been very good to our little corner of the Internet, but it’s not like Mike Smith and Thomas Dimitroff are burning up my phone lines. I wonder just how much access DOL has.

And I do have a mean bone in my body. It’s my ulna.

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by Dave Choate on Jul 29, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

So what you are saying is...

He’s doing the same job we are roughly doing on the Falcoholic. Only that he’s getting paid and more publicity?

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Jul 29, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I proofread!

Just not well.

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by Dave Choate on Jul 29, 2010 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pfff

Who doesn’t?

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by brotherbrown on Jul 29, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

um

me obviously…

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 4, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

good for you

no sarcasim intended.
Need to do that more for my Resume’s and Cover Letters.

My life is multiplied and then divided by zero.

by brotherbrown on Aug 4, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

As for the proofreading

that is an issue for the whole AJC. Grab a paper and look through it one day. They need to hire new editors…

by orion12 on Jul 29, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

um

they still publish a newspaper??? what is this world coming to.

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

There's a place beneath us

That we would go to if we are bad

(Another Falcoholic Member) “New Orleans?”

No, worse.

(A scene of Mr Six from Six Flags Dancing with his theme playing)

No…but getting closer.

“Listening to Bryant Gumbel on NFLN?”

He left a few seasons ago

“Oh thank god”

My life is multiplied and then divided by zero.

by brotherbrown on Aug 4, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have to disagree as well ...

Look at Dave O’Brien (beat writer for the Braves). He doesn’t get waaaaaaay into sabermetrics or anything, but his access is very evident in his writing. The superficial approach that D Led takes is not mandated by AJC, it’s just how he does things. My question is, very simply, why?
 
In my estimation (and I’m basing this entirely on what’s he’s written), D Led doesn’t have similar access to the Falcons. He’s either incredibly tight-lipped (doesn’t seem likely), or he just doesn’t have much access to what goes on in the front office/locker room.

He just comes off as a prime example of a less-than-qualified beat writer who lucked into a position he probably won’t hold onto for very long. That may seem harsh, but you know how I roll at this point.

by FrankyWren on Jul 29, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree Steve Wyche was better

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by Dave Choate on Jul 29, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

But wishing him back isn't going to make him come back

just like some things in my life.

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Jul 29, 2010 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Wyche

he does great stories on the Falcons for NFL.com from time to time. He actually had us ranked #7 in his preseason rankings…

by orion12 on Jul 29, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't that why we come to the Falcoholic?

I agree with Dave…the AJC has to appeal to its drone-like, zombie consumption model. All jokes aside, it serves a purpose. Not everyone cares enough to know what DVOA is, or why the Run-n-shoot went the way of the dinosaur. SBnation serves that purpose. AJC serves its purpose. Love, butterflies and double rainbows ensue.

by TheAreopagite on Jul 30, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good Theory

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Jul 31, 2010 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

um

NAH!

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 4, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Take the NFL draft as an example. A guy like Mel Kiper is a really, really good analyst. Put some people really don’t like him because he’s hardcore/serious about it and goes into very specific detail. That being said, I sill do say D-Led is mediocre. His articles seem to lack… passion. He doesn’t seem to be super into what he does.

"That's my teammate, man... That's my quarterback"

by TurnerTheBurner on Jul 31, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think

People dislike Mel Kiper because he’s serious
It’s moreso that like others People think he knows it all and is proven wrong on some occasions and we are eager to feed into the times he’s wrong.
But to dislike BedLet for the reason stated above. I have NO problem with that.

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Aug 1, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

kiper

is a bedwetter and a name dropper. he gets a thought stuck in his head and cant get past it sometimes. escpecially on draft day.

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 4, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

“gets a thought stuck in his head and cant get past it "
I can definately relate to that, even on game day.

My life is multiplied and then divided by zero.

by brotherbrown on Aug 4, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont

have a problem with him

Weatherspoon1stFalconsPick???

by JJWatt1stfalconspick on Jul 29, 2010 3:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Attaway Mardy

Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962

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by Jason Kirk on Jul 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

The newspaper business just isn't what it used to be

DOL is part of the AJC’s half-hearted attempt at “new media”. Its nothing special but its not all his fault. I agree that his reporting is mediocre and his writing style is just a little bit too casual but I bet the AJC isn’t flying him all over country like they used to do for reporters. And those guys don’t pay beans. He probably isn’t even full-time. O’Brien does a better job with the Braves but he’s younger and is more of a natural blogger than Ledbetter. Considering theres 10 times as many games to cover, I bet he’saround the team a lot more too

Seriously, Dave’s readership is growing and one of these days we’ll lose him to someone who pays just a bit better than I imagine Comcast does. Don’t settle for the AJC though Dave. That outfit is an embarrassment to the city of Atlanta.

by zooker on Jul 29, 2010 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I hope that wherever I go, I never have to give this place up

I genuinely enjoy doing it, my habit of disappearing for days at a time notwithstanding.

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by Dave Choate on Jul 29, 2010 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand both sides

Most people that post here are true fans, who know so much about everything affiliated with the Falcons. I get a little ticked off when I hear the same story about Atlanta over and over and over again throughout various sources on paper, television, and the web. What gets me is that it’s their job to cover the NFL. They have more opportunities and chances to pursue better and more useful information than me. Some get to interview players, go to the training camps and get the inside scoop. When it seems like I know more about the Falcons than they do, it doesn’t make sense. But on the other hand, we as die hard fans need to realize that most people would rather hear the basic topics about the team like Matt Ryan and Turner, rather than wonder how Stephen Nicholas’ child is doing or if there’s a training camp bet between Dunta and Roddy and the loser has to cut off his dreads.

by Mattyice318 on Jul 29, 2010 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

That Stephen Nicholas story made me cry.

And I’ll gladly admit to that. I hope he has a great career here in Atlanta.

by orion12 on Jul 29, 2010 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't live close enough to atlanta to see his articles but i have seen a few of his online articles

They are far from great but the few times I have seen him on NFL Network he seemed pretty knowledgeable, I think whoever said it earlier was right, he just dumbs down his writing for the casual fans..

P.S, If the President doesn’t have to proofread why should a beat writer? lol

by FLA_Falcon on Jul 29, 2010 9:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Dave Choate on Jul 29, 2010 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

DLed is doing a good job of training camp reportage.

Excuse my language, ma'am, but that damn Dodd's gonna beat my butt today. -- Bear Bryant, November 1962

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by Jason Kirk on Aug 2, 2010 9:47 PM EDT reply actions  

I have to agree...

maybe he read this thread!

"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta

by TomQ on Aug 3, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

well

I think he is about average. I dont hate him but I think he is far from the best out there. I can put up with it since I dont really read much of his stuff anyway.

Life is a garden. Dig it!

by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

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