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Courage and Fight - Episode 002: Robert Who?

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Episode: 002

Title: Robert Who?

Length: 53:52

Hosts: Adam, Jason

Guests: Caleb (Falcoholic reader Zippo729), Dawson Devitt of AJC's Bird Cage Blog

Follow the jump for show notes and download links!

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Show Notes:

  • We have a new name!
  • How awesome is Dimitroff? Spoiler alert: Totally awesome.
  • The games on the schedule we're most looking forward to.
  • Adam's blood pressure is sent skyrocketing when we discuss the QB situations of our NFC South rivals.
  • The gang reveals, bit by bit, the awesome life of one Robert James.
  • BONUS: Adam, Jason, and Caleb discuss Adam's yearning for everyone to be as weird as he is when it comes to loving the Falcons more than college football.

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In Defense of Jimmy

I knew this was coming sooner or later, and I think I need to enlighten you guys about Jimmy Clausen and the loud F-bomb I shouted when I saw the Panthers draft him.
I am going to be a senior at Notre Dame this year. I have watched every down of college football that Jimmy has played, and we should be worried.
He has an attitude. He showed that when he committed, and no one is defending him. He definitely learned his lesson in the 2007 season when he was pounded to the turf. He hasn’t had a chip on his shoulder since the first game of that season. When he was at Notre Dame, he never acted like a primma donna. Rather, he was almost a model player for that team. He was elected a team captain, and was a leader on the field. I know there were “character concerns” before the draft, but those stemmed from mysterious charges of "pointing at an opposing coach" (which I’ve never seen video of). He wasn’t having kids out of wedlock or dealing drugs. His "character concerns" stemmed from him playing football.
But let’s get to his actual play. Jimmy played for arguably the worst three years in Notre Dame history. However, he played behind a terrible offensive line, had no running game, and had awful defenses. Jimmy Clausen was the offense of that team. He put up great numbers as well, ranking in the top 5 of all college QBs in QB rating, yards/game, and completion percentage last season. He ranked in the top 10 of all college QBs in yards/attempt and passing TDs last season. He played in a pro-style system that is very similar to what Carolina uses, and his go to receiver at Notre Dame was about as close in playing style as you’re gonna get to Steve Smith. Those great numbers didn’t translate to wins and losses, but Jimmy Clausen was just about the only reason those Notre Dame teams got to .500 the past two years. While the rest of Charlie Weis’s teams failed to get close to their expectations coming out of college, Jimmy and his receivers put up big numbers and played very well.
Everyone forgives Matt Ryan for his play last year. We say the running game wasn’t what it was in 2008. He had issues with turf toe. Etc. Jimmy had those same problems, and still put up great numbers. I’m not comparing Matt Ryan to Jimmy Clausen. Matty played real NFL defenses while Jimmy played so-so college teams. My point is that Jimmy Clausen never made a big deal about his toe. He played through the pain every chance he could, and even came in a game he was supposed to be sitting out of to lead the game winning drive. He showed a lot of physical and mental toughness last year.
Jimmy projects to be a very good pro-quarterback. He improved every year at Notre Dame, and fits well into Carolina’s style. Lets hope for all of our sakes, John Fox doesn’t renew his contract and the new regime trades Jimmy to the AFC.

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by phoenix falcoholic on Jul 20, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I was in Nashville for a wedding watching the draft in my hotel room and actually scared my boy by yelling so loud. His numbers are comparable to some of the top guys coming out of college trough their Jr years. He was the most NFL ready QB in last 2 years.

by gritzblitz on Jul 20, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job guys!

The “bonus” section was especially heartfelt…hopefully some day we can get to that level. However I think this might have worked across purposes…I’m going to Tech this fall and was thinking of going to a Falcons game or two, but now I think I might have more fun watching with friends…

by orion12 on Jul 20, 2010 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Robert James

I see what you did there…. kudos..
especially when the general response to the news was “who?”

Though I have to say this time out felt a little forced. This will seem like a criticism at first, but it’s really a BIG compliment. You guys do better when everything is less scripted. Let loose with some topics and just run with it. If you get off-topic, who cares. That’s part of the fun of the whole thing. Just talk like fans (as you did in the bonus segment), and go with whatever you feel like harping on. We can get talking head evalutations of opposing quarterbacks on any sports site. You guys work best when it gets more personal and free form. Talk more about your likes and dislikes about the Falcs (players, news, team colors, the MOUSTACHE, etc) on a personal level. I want to hear rants about how Sam Baker’s beard is more durable than he is, or how Michael Jenkins couldn’t catch an STD at a hooker convention, how your mancrush on Matt Ryan really isn’t that disturbing, or whatever else comes to mind. You guys are knowledgeable, passionate, and can carry the podcast without it feeling quite so staged. I would love to see the entire podcast be more like the bonus segment. Introduce a topic and let the facts, opinions, bullshit, insanity, ranting, raving, accusations, denials, reprisals, crying, reconciliation etc run loose like it’s the effin’ Thunderdome. I think you guys have what it takes to babble on like the deranged fans that you are for hours at a time. I am saying all this while at the same time knowing that all of it is easier said than done. Everything changes a bit when you know the record button’s been pressed. As you guys get more comfortable you’ll see that you can do it naturally. Throw down a beer and argue like you do when you don’t feel the pressure of a structured format.
Take all of this for what it is: a stupid douchebag throwing out his douchebag opinion. But, in my defense, it’s from a douchebag who enjoys the site and what he’s heard so far on the podcast.
I look forward to the next episode guys. Keep it going…

PS:
On the bonus segment: I totally agree with Adam
PSS:
with apologies to Phoenix Falcoholic, the Clausen smacktalk was funny

I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.

by Heath13 on Jul 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I think that.....in some of the less formal podcasts, they might be willing to do that.

Since this is still a new thing, I imagine having guests like JMike and Troy from last week would discourage the whole “bonus segment” talk because they’re actual recognizable people who work in the news industry and are full of legitimate stats. In having guests like them, I think it kinda sets a more formal tone just having them around, and it kinda turns into a talking head evaluation with our own little flavor.

However, I agree that the bonus segment was certainly a lot less robotic feeling. A lot of that came from the heart, if you will. And maybe down the road they could do a more formal podcast and an informal podcast. Who knows? I’m sure Adam is willing to listen to suggestions.

I had a blast chatting with them, and I openly encourage other Falcoholic readers to get involved. It was a lot of fun.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham

by Zippo729 on Jul 20, 2010 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

formal and informal podcast, but seperate entities*

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham

by Zippo729 on Jul 20, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly agree with you...

there is a time and place for both styles, and depending on the guests, formal and informal can go hand in hand. Most of it was great, but some parts just felt a bit stiff. My point was that what worked best was when a topic is thrown out there and you guys just riffed on it. I’m not knocking the podcast, I totally dig it, but I believe both styles can be worked in the same podcast. Dress it up for the guests, as needed (hell, some of the guests would probably enjoy just having fun with it), but when it’s just the boys and the fans, as I imagine a good portion of it will be, just go casual and in whatever direction the conversation takes it (within reason i guess haha)… I thought everybody did great, especially for just the 2nd episode, and I gotta tip my had to you too Caleb, as you did a bang up job yourself. I think you guys will continue to get better and I’m sure you know best on what to do. I was letting it be known what I liked the most, which, as stated before, was a compliment to the personalities and knowledge of the crew. Opinions are like body orifices, so no worries, and you guys do what you feel is best. Can’t wait for the next episode.

I have no vampire experience, but I have hunted werewolves. I shot one once, but by the time I got there, it had turned back into my neighbor's dog.

by Heath13 on Jul 20, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand, and I really appreciate the compliment.

I think it’ll only get better from here as they figure out exactly how to do it.

Also, as Adam said below, Dave is seriously the unscripted champion. He adds a level of humor and lack-of-seriousness that can only be provided by him. Haha.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham

by Zippo729 on Jul 20, 2010 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes it does sound like fun

wish I could partake with the guys too, but I might not have anything interesting or intellectual stats. I can have a very cynical point of view of things in general.

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by brotherbrown on Jul 21, 2010 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

If you want unscripted...just wait until Dave finally gets on the cast.

We did a test run last week with him and suffice to say, we had over 2 hours of material that wasn’t even coherent. But I bet it was damn funny.

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by Adam Schultz on Jul 20, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

cool.. can't wait till he gets out of rehab.

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by Heath13 on Jul 20, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

wasn't co-herent?

Is that like "That 70’s show where everyone is at the table in a circle doing you know what?

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Jul 21, 2010 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

separate.....bah.

"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, to either side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham

by Zippo729 on Jul 20, 2010 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Really liked your discussion about the Falcons needing a culture.

But you were talking about how you want fans to support the team not for being the underdog but for being true consistent winners. But you know what that’s what I want too. However the only difference is, I want to be there through the tough times to say, “I was there for the good, bad and ugly,” almost as if it gives me a “pass” on the whole glory supporter image.

I actually know a couple of other Falcons fans here in Australia and there main reason they follow (followed) them is because of Michael Vick. And you were talking about how the entire US and rest of the world needs to see the Falcons in the same light as the Cowboys etc, well Vick was on the verge of that. I know we all hate him now, but truth is, if he had Matt Ryan’s hard work, leadership, dedication then I can assure you that the stupidity that unfolded might not of happened and he might’ve been bringing us a superbowl. But that’s exactly what he did, was create excitement.

It’s only a matter of time before Ryan & co. create their own excitment thus capturing the fans of the NFL.

Australian Atlanta Falcons Fan EST 2003

Falcons are my life,
Falcons are my soul,
I watch them through all the strife,
Until they get that Superbowl.

by Grayson on Jul 20, 2010 7:25 PM EDT reply actions  

I want people to love the team for all reasons, through thick and thin

I gave no other reason besides that as far as I remember. I want them loving the team like they do their college football teams. Liken college football in the Southeast US to the rugby/cricket maniacs in your country. I want that level of love for the Falcons.

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by Adam Schultz on Jul 20, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would Agree with Adam. I don’t want people to like our team because of some superficial reason, such as a star player, or we are America’s Team, and not solely because we “represent the A”, but moreso about who we are and always have been, the history/past the present and the developmental future storylines of our team especially since 2008.
Following the Falcons heavily since 2004 has also helped me become a big NFL fan and understanding the league as a whole.
Imagine if “God Forbid” the Falcons relocated to “Los Angeles”. Would we still follow them? That would likely test our true fandom, I know that it would for me. I would still follow them, maybe for a few years especially until something dissociated me with them, and then an expansion Atlanta Franchise took over (however I might no longer live in Atlanta by then), and follow them.
Point I’m saying is being with a team through it all. Many of our “Fans” weren’t like that. Like a good relationship perceived as gone bad, many people bail out and don’t want to associate with what is known as a loser or undesirable. We don’t seem to have that major “dedicated” fanbase yet.

I belong to NO ONE...and no one belongs to ME.

by brotherbrown on Jul 21, 2010 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Truly Enjoyable.......

Hey guys, just want to say again how much I appreciate the chance to talk Falcons Football with you superb gentlemen. An excellent idea and venue for Bird fans to be able to listen to “meat and potatoes” Falcon Football without all the garbage you get on talk radio.

Kudos again Gents!

by D3_Falcons on Jul 20, 2010 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Interesting that at some point in the bonus section, you talk about people’s origin of supporting their team. Do we support our team because of the way we are raised, on our own, or some mysterious reason?
Atlanta doesn’t seem to have that many loyal fans. Phillips Arena and Turner Field can’t sell out like other stadiums even though we currently have winning teams. Apparently people don’t care. We see teams losing for years and their fanbase is still strong, so what is it?
The Falcons have already been to the superbowl 10 years ago. Yes that might have increased the fanbase, but we still struggle to sell out with out Arthur Blank’s miracle marketing. Before Matt Ryan and TD/MS, it was Mike Vick. That’s why our “fanbase” was so high. The Eagles Falcons matchup of 09 further exposed that these were Vick fans, not falcons fans. Just like when Stephen Strasburg of the Washington Nationals pitched in Turner Field for a last place team (still somewhat unproven), Turner Field Sold out.
The point maybe, the Falcons may win a superbowl or two even this year. But it won’t guarentee that we will get that fanbase equivilent to the Packers, Cowboys, Redskins, Saints, Steelers, Raiders, Niners, etcera. It has to be something that gets people attention a certain way. What that way is I don’t know. But here in Atlanta, the cultural formula seems to be “Star” attraction, not Team. It’s unfortunate and it’s BS, and one of the many reasons I don’t like my hometown anymore. Maybe it’s also because of the fact that Atlanta is now 80% non-native Atlantians, so no one gives a crap about a team that makes up this forgotten city. Just as no one cares about Marta, as long as it runs subsistently, but once they run out of money and go belly up in 2013 then people might start to care, or we might just buy 10,000 vehicles and make rush hour become 24/7 and become the new Los Angeles of Traffic.

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by brotherbrown on Jul 21, 2010 3:54 AM EDT reply actions  

Snead bias much?

Haha, that was hilarious.

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by Jesse28 on Aug 4, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

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