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Saturday Six Pack 6/5/10: World Cup Edition

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Here's what's happening: I'm going to serve up your Saturday morning links at just-eat-a-breakfast-bar speed, and then we're going to put together the best possible soccer team from the Falcons current roster. You may join me after the jump for that activity.

1. NFL.com: Pat Kirwan lists 20 NFC South players who are primed for a major breakout in 2010, and three Falcons defenders made the cut. Actually, by NFC South I meant NFL. As in, Kirwan feels 15% of the entire league's overnight sensations play for the same team

2. Buc Em: Trivia time... name the team Bucs fans consider to be their #1 rival. You think it's the Seahawks? Wow, you're way off.

3. The .com: You woke up this morning craving details on team OTAs. The official site keeps you posted like an envelope.

4. Internets Celebrities: With all the kerfuffle around here about a new stadium, I need you to review this hilarious and informative 20-minute documentary on the subject by some excellent blog bros.

5. Roll Bama Roll: SB Nation's Crimson Tide blog hosts a freak-out about losing Holla McGhee to your Atlanta Falcons -- or should I say a Colin-Peek-out? Peek was apparently a third-down monster last year -- something we'll soon be in desperate need for as Tony Gonzalez and Brian Finneran both retire to enter the Hall of Fame...

6. The Unlikely Fan: Shoot, the World Cup links snuck past the jump. If you only read one thing about soccer in your life, make it this. After one read, you will understand the dynamics of this year's tournament -- and you'll even have a team you could see yourself rooting for if your life depended on it.

Star-divide

After reading that and a few other Cup For Dummies articles, I've decided to root for Italy, in addition to the U.S. of course. Italy's team is apparently the '77 Falcons of soccer, giving up ~0 goals per game and scoring only when there's absolutely nothing better to do. To wrap your mind around that, just imagine the Grits Blitz coated in marinara sauce. Or don't. At this point I only plan on making an effort to watch U.S.-England and the final game, but might sneak in some more here and there.

 

American Falcoholics may find themselves rooting for geography (Mexico), our rivals (England), the biggest underdogs (New Zealand), the giant-killers (Slovenia, who just beat Russia), the favorites (Spain), the poorest country (Paraguay), the best player (Lionel Messi, Argentina), the most Comradely (North Korea), whichever team has the best poster from this list (Ivory Coast, Slovenia), or just rooting against the Pats-Colts/Sox-Yanks/Celts-Lakers (Germany and Brazil). 

Here's my best crack at an All-Falcons soccer lineup (our international readers may begin openly mocking my lack of futbol awareness...... now):

For maximum faux-familiarity, we're running the 4-3-3, which has the the same name as the defense we run in tackle football. This is the only reason I have chosen this formation from the list of formations I found at Wikipedia. It seems to be kind of old-school, so Mike Smith should like it.

Centerbacks: Thomas DeCoud and Chevis Jackson

Centerbacks defend the area right in front of the goalie's domain. They're expected to be able to play man-to-man or zone, make clutch tackles, and get the ball back to the offense. (So, yes, basically they're safeties.) DeCoud is tall, rangy, and not afraid to pop individuals in the face, while Chevy lacks the prototypical centerback height but has the athleticism to keep up. Thinking William Moore's a little too stocky to play centerback.

Fullbacks: Kroy Biermann and Curtis Lofton

Sorry Ovie, this is another defensive position. Fullbacks need to be imposing, durable, versatile, and have what NFL announcers call "a high motor." Also, they should have decent foot skills. We know Duffburger can kick, and we also know from his special teams work he can get down the field. Lofton's leadership and playcalling experience will come in handy here.

Midfielders: Brent Grimes, Dominique Franks, and Sean Weatherspoon

This is a tweener position that requires both offensive and defensive skill, so we're leaning towards defenders who've returned kicks or picked off passes and guys with special teams experience. Grimes is holding down the middle of the field, where his insane range will come in handy. His job is to break up every pass that approaches center pitch, no matter how many miles he needs to dive. We're sacrificing a little bit of speed to get Spoon on the field instead of Christopher Owens or Dunta Robinson, but come on. Soccer is fun. Spoon likes fun.

Wingers: Harry Douglas, Eric Weems

Wingers must be fast and good with the ball, which sounds like HD and Special to me. Their combined experience at running endless end-arounds has developed their running-in-a-wide-loop skill, which will surely allow them to flank behind opposing fullbacks. I mean it's like the same pattern. We could even sub in Harvey Dahl as a pulling winger.

Striker: Jerious Norwood

The striker's job is to put the ball in the net, juking and outrunning guys the whole way. We've always said we wished Juice got to run around in the open field more -- well, here's our chance. He's now one of the two most critical players on the field. And if that doesn't work, some poor Greek is going to have to bring down Michael Turner all by himself.

Goalkeeper: Roddy White

He's nimble, has great vision and reaction time, is willing to lay out for the ball, and has great hands. Would've liked a younger Gonzalez here due to his experience under pressure, but we think Roddy can handle it.

If you've been a fan of association football for longer than I have (one week), I'm sure you can come up with a better lineup than mine, but at least we have a starting point. You're in charge of this roster now... what are we changing?

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The bit about futbol is well, cheeky if I do say.

The comparison thing is a good read.

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by Ball Hawk on Jun 5, 2010 9:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Spot on

The comparison piece is perfect. Thanks for the link!

by NCFalconFan on Jun 5, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

dont know...

I dont know who should replace Norwood but someone should. Since he likes to dilly dally at times under pressure that would not be his spot. You dont need an insanely fast guy there (but it really helps), but you do need a guy there willing to sacrifice his body because not only do they need to be able to make diving headers they also need to be reliable enough to take the opposing teams cheapshots which would happen inside of a crowded box. I would put White there.

For keeper, take White out. Yes, he has the athleticism to jump around like a flea on crack but that position needs the experience of a person willing and able to direct the entire field much like a QB does. So many think he sits back and waits on an attacker for something to do. I call my keepers “coaches on the field” because they have a better view than anyone else and the good ones are constantly yelling forward to better position or correct another player. No, it wouldnt be Matty Ice because you do need to be able to jump like a freak as well as in an instant lay your body horizontally in a heartbeat to stop that ridiculous ricochet. My guy in the net would be Gonz. He is a savvy presence back there and will study not only the starting 11 but their bench as well. Yes, the whole starting 11. He might be able to see something about the other keeper and be able to direct the attack accordingly.

Just my opinion

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

agree

reading the article I wanted to say the same things word for word when it comes to Norwood and White. makes me feel I may have been right if the same thought strikes another mind too

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by Gemini-RU on Jun 5, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love it

TG’s sense of space is amazing, and his basketball experience can’t hurt. I wasn’t sure if he still has the springiness, but you’ve convinced me. Can we then move Norwood over to replace Weems?

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by Jason Kirk on Jun 5, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe?

I think Norwood would be better served as a situational player. Down late in the game? Bring on the speedster. A player gets hurt, bring him in. I would rather have Weems there than Norwood.

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have to say

im impressed with your knowledge of the game. i play centre back for the record! haha

go hard or go home

by TO falcon on Jun 5, 2010 9:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Far too kind

All credit goes to Wikipedia

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by Jason Kirk on Jun 5, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

that is a scary-assed soccer team

Good work there. What about JA98 as the keeper? I’m pretty sure his span would cover the net without moving. I do think inJurious Norwood might do quite well in soccer, where contact is frowned upon (and I suppose carded upon).

by TheAreopagite on Jun 5, 2010 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

you...

…would be surprised the amount of contact in soccer. As long as it isnt tripping or impeding someones progress towards a free ball you can get away with quite a bit. At speeds that even Norwood would be hard pressed to keep up (and without 30 seconds between each play or multiple time outs—time never stops in soccer). And no pads (except shin guards). Remember, most wingers and strikers are exceptional sprinters as well as cut back artists. Just for some info, the fields are between 100-130 yards long and 50-100 yards wide. The NFL field is 100 yards long and 53.5 yards wide.

Also, if you are bored:
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by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

in addition

to what muuzila just mentioned you need to keep in mind that a soccer team comprising 11 field players is on the field for all of the 90 minutes. that, of course, including a 15-20 min intermission at half-time, and up to 3 substitutions per game. and the fact that the whole team is involved in defense and offense in some way. so in the 90 mins players spend on the field (and no commercial breaks btw) they take enough beating and do sustain injuries, sometimes even severe ones since they don’t wear pads execpt for the shin guards.
what I hate about soccer, however, is that when it comes to injuries, players of many teams (some to a greater extent than others) often simulate their pain since that helps to run the clock down and referees are supposed to stop the game but not the clock.

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by Gemini-RU on Jun 5, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

game clock

The game clock does continue however, they will add stoppage time. Stoppage time is time added at the end of each half based on how long substitutions take as well as the time it takes to book (give a yellow or red card) and if need be to get the send off player (red card) off the field. They also allow time for injuries. If you notice, every ref is wearing 2 watches. 1 that never stops and is on a timer from 45 minutes to 0 and the other is one they start when they stop play for one of the reasons I mentioned. As soon as a play is stopped, that 2nd watch is turned on and once play resumes the watch is stopped. The most I have seen for stoppage time is 6 minutes, which means that half would take a total of 51 minutes of non (mostly) stop action.

Imagine if a team is intentionally wasting time by collecting penalties (such as running out the play clock) and the refs now say “Hey Bucs, because you wasted time on that play we have no given the falcons one more offensive play”.

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

William Moore is not too stocky to play centre backs. Centre backs are probably the stockiest players on the team. Whereas Bierman and Lofton would probably be too slow for fullbacks. However I think you got the forwards pretty much right. I Think more like this.

GK-Matt Ryan(Use of hands, right build and height)
Fullbacks-Decoud and Turner
Centre backs-Weatherspoon and Nicholas
Midfielders-Lofton, White and Coleman
Wingers-Douglas and Weems
Striker-Norwood

by Mosugo on Jun 5, 2010 10:34 AM EDT reply actions  

Noted

Thank you

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by Jason Kirk on Jun 5, 2010 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

actually

i could be completely wrong about this but im pretty sure i heard that tony said he wants to come back for the 2011-2012 season.

by dirtybirds233 on Jun 5, 2010 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

A little anti-linemanism.

You got something against big and talls?

Rule #1: Double tap.

by Ball Hawk on Jun 5, 2010 2:55 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Saving them for our Wrestlemania entry next year

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by Jason Kirk on Jun 5, 2010 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

nope

They would be the guys in the tunnel tripping up the other teams star players. I dont think that McClure could go out and play for 90 minutes.
How much do they run?

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

An interesting idea, trying to translate football into soccer

I read an interesting article somewhere trying to analyze why American football seems to be, for the most part, a very American phenomenon. One theory was that America, historically, is a country of specialization; from the way we fight wars, to the way we organize business, there is a very specific division of labor embedded in the American psyche. Hence football has grossly specialized players, from uber-fast scatbacks at 5’7" 175 pounds to 6’7" 360 pound nose guards. Everyone is a very specific cog in a very specific machine. Other countries (especially latin-based cultures) tend to have more egalitarian views, and thus specialization is far less relevant culturally. So these countries love soccer. (Disclaimer, as already stated, I know there is some differentiation in soccer positions, just not that much).

by TheAreopagite on Jun 5, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

you seem to be right about that

although things like that are always subjective. among the reasons why soccer is so much more popular globally I would add the following:
- the rules in soccer are so much simpler than in football. as long as you know that the ball should find the net somehow, you can’t play with your hands, can’t kick someone literally and know the off-side rules you’re fine. and almost forgot about scoring rules – you either score a goal or don’t. no half-goals or three-quarters.
- soccer is more dynamic than football in a sense that it’s non-stop action with no breaks.

all this doesn’t mean that soccer is better than football. it’s just that football appears to be a perfect game for America and its culture. and I doubt you’d find a single country in the world other than the US where stadium are packed for nearly all games at all levels – be it high school, college or professional league.

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by Gemini-RU on Jun 5, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Another thing Americans love

Layers of complicated, jargon-laden rules. You’re absolutely right on that. There are probably more rules that relate to wide receivers alone than the entire rulebook for soccer.

by TheAreopagite on Jun 6, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

17

Thats how many laws in soccer. In fact, the law that takes the most space in the lawbook concerns the fields and its dimensions (8 pages in “The Laws of the Game”)

by muuzilla on Jun 6, 2010 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the England = Jets comparison

But that’s probably because I’m English and hate the Jets.

by Ignoramus on Jun 5, 2010 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

food for thought...

Here are some salaries of the top 20 paid players in the world back in 2006. This is just their salary. Bonuses and sponsorships and any other form of income arent included. This is JUST their base salary.

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1 Ronaldinho (Barcelona) £32.6m
2 David Beckham (Real Madrid) £31.2m
3 Wayne Rooney (Manchester United) £30.4m
4 Samuel Eto’o (Barcelona) £21.3m
5 Lionel Messi (Barcelona) £21.1m
6 Zlatan Ibrahimovic (Juventus) £20.9m
7 Ronaldo (Real Madrid) £20.4m
8 Frank Lampard (Chelsea) £20m
9 Thierry Henry (Arsenal) £19.95m
10 Michael Ballack (Bayern Munich) £19.9m
11 Steven Gerrard (Liverpool) £19.2m
12 Raul (Real Madrid) £18.9m
13 Zinedine Zidane (Real Madrid) £18.8m
14 Cristiano Ronaldo (Manchester United) £18.6m
15 Didier Drogba (Chelsea) £18.3m
16 Alessandro Del Piero (Juventus) £12.9m
17 Ryan Babel (Ajax Amsterdam) £12.6m
18 Ruud van Nistelrooy (Manchester United) £12.1m
19 Lukas Podolski (Cologne) £11.3m
20 Andriy Shevchenko (AC Milan) £9.9m

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

sorry...

This also includes endorsements but not bonuses.

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

exchange rate

Today’s exchange rate is 1 pound (£) = $1.44 which would mean (in todays rate) that Ronaldinho (a Brazilian) would be making $46,944,000. Per year. Thats $3,912,000 a month. Thats $902,769,231 a week. Thats $128,613 a day.

Is that English enough?

I am jealous!

by muuzilla on Jun 5, 2010 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow NFL needs to expand, or....

Maybe it’s pretty novel the way it is. The idea of an international Football league seems like a pain. I guess it’s perfect now and if it went the way of the world I would probably loose interest. I would like to see a world cup type of tournement but it would be at least fifty years before any one could beat us. My point is I want to see our guys get paid like that and have that kind of popularity. Face it nobody is rushing Matt Ryan trying to get his signature in say, Spain. Or even Peyton, Favre or Brees for that matter. Oh well boys we are an exclusive bunch and maybe it’s better.

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by Ball Hawk on Jun 6, 2010 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

David Beckham

may well be the 2nd highest paid player, especially with endorsements but he hasnt been in the top 250 in the world playing wise for about 5 years

go hard or go home

by TO falcon on Jun 5, 2010 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

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