A Free Agency Discussion: Will The Falcons Sign Anyone Else?
by Dave Choate on Mar 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST
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It's a rainy Thursday afternoon and I'm off from work, so let's generate some discussion like some sort of generator. Yeah. That's how we do it at The Falcoholic.
Basically, we've talked about how the Falcons are unlikely to be active players in free agency now that they've signed Dunta Robinson. That would fit with the "one big splash" style of free agency we've come to expect from the Falcons under Thomas Dimitroff and Mike Smith. Yet here's former New Orleans Saints defensive end Charles Grant, quirking his eyebrows shamelessly in the general direction of Flowery Branch, and there's the fact that free agents suddenly want to play for the Falcons. It's kind of unreal.
So let's take a gander. Do the Falcons sign anyone else besides your lowest-tier free agents for depth, or do they hum along and gear up for the draft? It's a million dollar question, so give me your two cents.
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Still not sure about Dunta...
I really doubt the Falcons will sign anyone else of real interest, unless they can persuade Charles Grant to take a major paycut.
My bigger question is… is Dunta really worth the $$ and expectations??? He wasn’t anything beyond average in Houston aside from his rookie year. Does he really make that big of a difference?
I’ll accept that he’s more proven than anyone we could’ve gotten in the draft, but the injury bug is gonna hit the team, whether we like it or not… and I’m not saying it will hit Dunta, but I also don’t think our defense is significantly improved by his signing.
Feel free to disagree. Fire away!
Your concerns are certainly legitimate
and crop up from some portion of the dedicated fan-base anytime a team commits significant money to a free agent. And even the most hopeful fans have to ask themselves..
Did we do the right thing?
Ultimately only time will tell and Dunta could end up being anything from a perennial Pro-Bowler to getting a career ending injury in training camp and never see the field for the Falcons.
Personally, I like the move. Its comforting to know that our ownership is willing to spend the money to get the best available player address critical areas of need. Risk is just a part of the business that you have to accept if you’re going to be contenders, imo.
Actually, I agree- partially
The contract was waaay more than what Robinson is actually worth, and he IS coming off of two seasons that lacked production, partially due to injury, but also he didn’t have any playmakers around him in Houston.
He won’t have a bunch of defensive playmakers around him here either, though. But what I think Dimitroff sees is talent and potential. When Charles Woodson went from the Raiders to the Green Bay Packers, no one thought much of the signing. But the Packers used him in a way that utilized his skill set better than in Oakland.
I don’t expect that caliber of production from Dunta, but I think he will play better than the past two years in Houston. He may not seem like all that, but he is an upgrade from Chris Houston, and has better size than Grimes to match up with the big guys in our division (Steve Smith, Colston)
"That's my teammate, man... That's my quarterback"
by TurnerTheBurner on Mar 11, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Sure, in the first couple of years (of Robinson's career), the Texans' defense
didn’t have many playmakers on that side of the ball.
This year, on the contrary, our defense has steadily improved after the first couple of games. You can’t ignore the fact that the Houston defense has 2 (former and current) DROYs in Brian Cushing and DeMeco Ryans, Mario Williams, and the guy that makes Tom Brady his B**** Bernard Pollard. Plus, we also have a pretty good rookie (he can tackle, that’s for sure) in Glover Quin.
Anyways, my point is that Dunta Robinson did have a lot of help, but he didn’t do anything but let WRs run past him get paid $11 M for last year.
Oh, plus, he turned down $23 M in guaranteed money the during last year’s offseason, and he skipped training camp because of that — which was kind of dumb, since he WAS coming out of surgery. He also had the balls to …
The 2009-2010 season was technically Dunta Robinson’s “contract year” for the Texans, but as opposed to playing his hardest and getting a big contract somewhere else, he completely sucked it out AND STILL got the big contract somewhere else. One last thing, Texans’ fans aren’t bitter about it leaving, we’re actually rejoicing that he left.
Anyways, Dunta Robinson is ya’ll’s problem now. Enjoy :D
by typhoon.infamous on Mar 14, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
"He wasn't anything beyond average in Houston aside from his rookie year"
I don’t think this is correct. He didn’t have many INT’s, but everything I’ve seen shows he was good in coverage in 2005, and borderline great in 2006 and the first half of 2007 (pre-injury).
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
average > below average
Even if he’s average, he’s a veteran who can help mold the kids into shape. I think he’ll be better than average — a new view tends to make players flare up, if only for a little while. The contract isn’t ridiculous, so if he doesn’t work out it’s a relatively small wound financially.
I see this as a wash at worst, and most likely a small net gain for us. We’re still in the babystep stage regarding defense, and he’ll undoubtedly make life at least a LITTLE harder for opposing receivers.
yeah, i disagree with the OP
I think it was a very good move. I’ve had this discussion with several others on here, so forgive me if i’m repeating myself, but the facts are these
1 – we needed a cornerback
2 – to fill that need, our options were the draft or free agency.
3 – the draft is MUCH riskier than free agency given the position in question, player availability, our position in the draft, what our other needs are, etc.
4 – given that free agency is the best of the two options, we went out and got the highest rated CB available
Tell me if there’s a breakdown in my logic somewhere, but for those reasons, I thought it was a great move.
Now if you think the Falcons should have gone out and gotten a shut down, #1 corner and not broken the bank for him, then no, obviously it wasn’t a good move. But how on earth was that possible this year (or most any year for that matter?)? Very few teams has one of those, and if they do, he’s not available. I guess bemoaning the Dunta move would make sense if there was a clear cut better option, but there wasn’t. And not doing anything wasn’t an option either.
More importantly though, while it would be nice if Dunta came in and was a shutdown corner, we don’t need him to be that. We just need stability at the position (which we had none of last year), and there is every reason to think (barring unforeseen circumstances) that he provides that, as well as a major upgrade to our secondary. He’s the kind of player that a secondary filled with young guys and aging veterans needs – a competent guy in his prime.
by cheshire falcon on Mar 12, 2010 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't forget.
He had probably the least talent/character/motivational/injury issues out of all the available FA corners. Marlin Jackson, Lito Sheppard, Leigh Bodden (who is underrated but not a fit for our scheme), and not mention, when did we start doubting the Comrade’s scouting abiltiy?
by thisistherevolt on Mar 13, 2010 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
And not to mention
The highest upside out of all the FA agents out there.
by thisistherevolt on Mar 13, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
about the money
They did sign Matt Ryan at the time to a 6 year 72 million dollar deal, which sounded outrageous to me, but we see so far how that has paid off. For the moment I would have to trust the staff on making sure he doesn’t have an issue with his contract so there won’t be distractions.
by brotherbrown on Mar 12, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see another marquis-player signing this off season
With the end of the CBA pushing the required years of service for Free Agents from 4 to 6 years, the FA pool is quite shallow in my opinion. We have signed the best available FA at our most critical area of need so I don’t see us getting in a bidding war for one of the “older and looking for one last payday” players still floating out there. Aaron Kampman would have been nice, but at 30 years old and coming off a major knee injury I can see why the Falcons passed.
That leaves signing a Restricted Free Agent from another team, but giving up high draft pick(s) in the current draft for players really doesn’t fit in with the Comrade and Coach Smith’s style. And given their success rate with the draft, I can’t say I blame them. Thankfully, our Coach and GM are not in a “win now” mode to save their jobs and we don’t have to worry about them selling the franchise’s future for immediate and temporary success. They are looking at winning long term and that usually means keeping your draft picks.
Honestly, the only major deal I could see us making is perhaps moving out of the first round and picking up some extra draft picks. That said, if Darrel Revis or Jared Allen get inexplicably cut then we might make a move. I wish.
Jared Allen...
seems like a douche. That said, he’s pretty fracking amazing.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Douche.. A little harsh..
I wish we had that mulligun’d freak. I would trad top two picks to ge him.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Mar 12, 2010 7:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
KICKER
Why not someone like Neil Rackers, Im pretty sure hes a FA and he pretty good. We need a reliable kicker! if not him maybe another FA kicker..
Hmmm...
I am really concerned about our offensive line depth. I really would like to see us sign some linemen. Maybe a guy with Harvey Dahl potential because I remember when we signed him no one at all thought anything of the move. A couple of under the radar signings like that would be nice.
As for Charles Grant, there are to many questions about him. His age/production, legal problems, suspension issues. It just seems that he would want some kind of “long term” deal like a 2-3 year deal, maybe a 4 year deal which I would find to be a stupid move.
Australian Atlanta Falcons Fan EST 2003
C. Grant
For the right price, I wouldn’t mind bringing Grant in here.
i agree
maybe a two or three year deal would provide some decent pass rush from out corners and let the next generation of DE’s marinate a little bit more. but i wouldnt sign him to a lucrative contract by any means
If peeing your pants is the coolest, consider me Miles Davis
It would make life simpler but
not probable. If we could use our draft picks to get Spoon and some serious Offense help sure why not?
Rule #1: Double tap.
TD Said...
No more free agency moves until after the draft.
Then again he said we werent gonna spend big bucks…
I don't want Grant
anywhere near Atlanta. We don’t need his problems, especially for that level of talent.
TD is pretty conservative when it comes to spending
That’s why I was surprised when we spent $57 million on Dunta. (But, all things considered, that’s nowhere near the $100 million the Redskins spent on Haynesworth last year…). But since he spent that much on one player, I can almost guarantee he won’t spend big bucks on anyone else. I feel like if he’s focused on anything, it’s getting more draft picks.
Concerning Charles Grant: The Falcons are too smart to sign someone who is
a) coming off two seasons which lacked any production
b) coming off of a season ending injury
c) allegedly violated the leagues substance abuse policy
We don’t need a DE that badly…
"That's my teammate, man... That's my quarterback"
by TurnerTheBurner on Mar 11, 2010 10:55 PM EST reply actions
you forgot
d) awaiting trial for involuntary manslaughter
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
I'd be pretty surprised to see another big signing in FA
A free agent DE is tempting but I’m not sure Grant would necessarily add much to our pass rush other than depth, which we already have. I’d rather get Weatherspoon in the draft and maybe a-round project or two for the D-line if possible.
Still think Dunta was a smart move, he may find his niche in Atlanta and worst-case scenario is we forget we traded Chris Houston.
We'll get another
FA after the draft to sure up some position. I think TD likes for the dust to settle before making another move. Besides if there is someone that they have their eye on and he hasn’t been signed yet, then that means the price of his services will decrease. There are teams that are letting veteran players go so they can “correct the ship”, so to speak, just in case the cap is adjusted to be lower than past years.
I'm thinking someone
like a G. Warren. He a DT thats around 6’4 325 but he’s 31 and probably one dimensional and situational. So he’ll be used for something like goal-line plays. I think we need a big boy to take up space in those situations.
How about Warren G.
We could always use a regulator.
"It's called Thanksgiving for a reason. If I can give and people thank me for it, that's kind of the thing that makes me feel great inside." - Dunta
Kade Weston
is a fellow out of UGA that id like to draft. 6’lots and 325
" No, I think I'll sit in the balcony " - Abe Lincoln
I have been looking at potential guys to fill voids, but nothing big...
unfortunately, there is really nothing at OLB to write home about. Keith Bulluck is UFA, but he is old and busted up his leg last year. Cato June might be a nice option. I think we will go with Weatherspoon in the draft, and think he should be able to start immediately, but if we go another direction in the draft, we have got to have some OLB help. Peterson hit a wall last year, and Nicholas was not great.
Another DE would be nice, but I really liked the way Sidbury and Biermann improved last year. Charles Grant is pretty mediocre at this point and probably still wants to get paid well. There are 3 or 4 other vets I would like better and would probably be cheaper. Ogunleye or Dewayne White might be worth bringing in on an incentivized deal to be situational pass rushers. I recall last year when Ahmad Brooks and Stylez White both had about 34 sacks apiece in games toward the end of the season.
There are a couple of intriguing prospects at OT, but they are RFA’s. Ryan Cook and Alex Barron are guys who may have a chance to improve under the Falcons’ OL coaches. Barron was a 1st rounder, I believe, with very good talent, but has not done too well in St. Louis.
I think those are our 3 greatest need positions, and will probably be addressed in the draft. Still, it would be nice to see a veteran or two brought in to help sure things up.
Love the blog, by the way. This is the first time I have found it. I think SB Nation blogs are the best all-around and am glad to have found this one.
welcome to the site
I’m sure Dave will do you an official welcome in a little while, but I found this to be one of the most kindest, and informative blogs around that you can really get into.
by brotherbrown on Mar 12, 2010 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
I’m sure they won’t sign anybody else “big”.
Maybe they’ll investigate young(ish) O-Linemen, LB’s, etc that are either UFA’s or no draft compensation RFA’s: I listed a few names already in the RFA tender thread.
Maybe take a look at veteran DE’s like Tyler Brayton, Adewale Ogunleye, or Dewayne White.
Coach Smith might push for Dimitroff to at least kick the tires on former Jags like Reggie Hayward and Rob Meier.
"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital." - Aaron Levenstein
Adewale Ogunleye...
i’ve seen that name come up on several web sites as kind of a potential diamond in the rough. don’t know anything about him though.
by cheshire falcon on Mar 12, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
ideally...
if you’re going to get a free agent signing, it would be at DE. but as someone said above, i’m not sure it’s entirely necessary either. i think our DE’s will be better next year with more experience, and having a healthy DT corps is going to help as well. having said that, getting a good DE in free agency would free you up to focus on OLB in the first round, which would be nice. but not sure it’s critical.
the more urgent need we might want to look at in FA would be Offensive Line… i think someone said that above. The line is good, but we’re one injury away from having problems. whether it be through FA or the draft, the O-line is something we’re gonna have to start making stronger.
right now i’d say our 3 biggest needs are DE, OLB, and O-Line. can you handle all three of those in the draft? especially without a 2nd round pick?
by cheshire falcon on Mar 12, 2010 12:23 PM EST reply actions
I don't see much need in drafting a DE when we have Biermann and Sidbury developing
to go along with Davis and Abraham. Here are some interesting stats to compare.
Player 1-6’3" , 261 lbs from a small college
Rookie Season-20 tackles, 1 sack
second season-58 tackles, 7 sacks
Third Season – 70 tackles, 14.5 sacks
Player 2-6’3", 260 lbs from a small college
Rookie Season- 21 tackles, 2 sacks
Second Season-49 tackles, 5 sacks
Third Season —????
Player 1 is Osi Umenyiora and Player 2 is Kroy Biermann. Now, I don’t expect Biermann to go crazy this season, but if he continues to improve at the same rate he has, I don’t think 10 sacks are out of the question.
If Abraham can have at least a mediocre season(which would be much better than what he did last year), the Falcons would look pretty good at DE.
I really think there will be a good OT at 19, and if Spiller and Weatherspoon are there, it will be a tough, tough choice for Dimitroff. Baker is verging on bust, and LT is the 2nd most important position on the field. If Bulaga somehow falls that far, he is a no-brainer.
I could definitely handle OLB, DE and O-line in the draft, but feel that DE is the one of those 3 least needed to be addressed in the first round.
by Fred Pen on Mar 12, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Perhaps we should have more faith in our younger players and coaches instead of looking for immediate answers in the draft or FA.
Interesting
That would be nice to have Biermann to go maybe 70 tackles 8 sacks next year.
Look out orang3b, you might have some competition!
by brotherbrown on Mar 12, 2010 11:45 PM EST up reply actions
Not when he busts out that PFF stuff.
He will fall apart like a 3 dollar suitcase. He will be left a shell of a man whimpering beneath his computer desk.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Mar 14, 2010 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah, i was wondering the same thing...
is Baker really close to being considered a bust? i know he’s been hurt a lot, but i haven’t heard the “B” word mentioned.
if you are going to get someone on the offensive line, which position do you get? would you get another LT and move Baker over? or do you get something in the middle of the line?
by cheshire falcon on Mar 12, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
He is not a bust, yet...I said "verging on bust"
he was not very good last year, and he was hurt entirely too much the year before that. I think it best to try and let him move over to the right side and get a new franchise LT. My dream for this draft is that Bulaga somehow falls to 19.
Even if he fell that far, our defensive needs are too great.
We’d most assuredly pass up on him, hard as it may be.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Sig
“Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass…..CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!” -Wes Durham
I just need to ask this now, since every time I see that signature with Wes Durhams call, I wonder: Didn’t he say “single receiver set to either side”? (Which, playcalling-wise, makes sense, since that play had Roddy on the right and Jenkins on the left, a single receiver to either side…)
I think it was, "Ryan's in the center, Simonize the ride..."
But I could be wrong.
How many more days, Lord, must I walk through the wilderness?
GO FALCONS!!!
He says it really quickly, so I can't really make out exactly what he says
but it sounded like “time on his side” as in play clock not anywhere near zero.
I watched that one play several hundred times. I’m pretty sure what I have is what he says, unless he said on either side. I can take another look
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
but...
the words “to” and “either” are pretty easy to pick out of a sentence, even one that’s spoken quickly, so i don’t know.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Hmmm
Every time I listen to it, I hear “to either side”. But maybe I just want to hear it, because it makes more sense play-calling wise thatn “single receiver set, time on his side”. :)
by wiesengrund on Mar 13, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
You know what
you’re right. it’s “to either side” and I’ll tell you why I had it wrong.
I just realized why I wouldn’t have heard what you heard. Where I come from, I’ve always known the word ‘either’ as being pronounced “ee-thur”. Wes pronounces it “eye-thur” and because he was speaking quickly, I completely whiffed on the word “either” because I was never expecting it. So I was thinking he said something like “time on his side” because he said “tuh eyethur side” whereas I’m used to hearing it differently so I just misinterpreted it.
Though I will say, I listened to it a bunch and never caught that. Oh well.
"Ryan, under center. Single receiver set, time on his side. Ryan, gonna throw. First professional pass.....CAUGHT!! Jenkins! 30! 25! 20! 15! 10! 5! He lives in Atlanta!!!" -Wes Durham
Ah, yes
Pronounciation is tricky one with you English speaking people. :)
Seems like not being an English native does have some upsides, sometimes. Anyways, it was a great play, and a great call by Wes. (Although I am still baffled by the Christian comments on it back then…)
Todd McClure
is aging so we need to get a center sometime soon. I wouldn’t dount drafting one in our later rounds.
They could, but for the moment I wouldn't
Sign anyone else. This Falcons regime signiture move is to sign one big name in free agency and then draft the rest.
We may be set in corners with Grimes (the ball hawk), Owens (the instinct), Dunta (the outcast), Jackson (the open field tackler), and Williams (Hannibal Smith).
And as newcomer Fred said about the DE or DL with Abraham, Bierman, Sibury, Jerry, Babs, Davis, JA98 at DT, Vance Walker and others.
So in the draft maybe the only things we should draft is a LB, RB, WR, TE, and two OLs, to perfect the offense, because as bad as our defense was, our offense put our defense in bad situations. Unless he wants to go special teams this year.
example
See the NE, DAL, second NO, and PHI game.
by brotherbrown on Mar 12, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Sharper
I like the Falcon safeties, but Sharper put NO over the top last year, and I would rather see him here than in New Orleans
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Just for argument's sake....
I think our team has new leaders and a different attitude for 3 years ago, so would you entertain bringing back Crumpler if we could get him cheap? Imagine the 2 TE sets with him and Gonzo…
"If lessons were learned in defeat, our team is getting a great education." -Murray Warmath
Alge....
If he wanted to finish his career where he started, (but for the right price of course) who is tell him no if he has anything left in the tank.
by thisistherevolt on Mar 15, 2010 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Free Agency For the Atlanta Falcons
Bertane Berry 12th Season was OLB 6-3 254 in 12th Season, I don’t know if he would help, Mike Montgomery is 6-5 282 5th Season Formerly GB, Leonard Little DE 6-3 267 35yrs old Anthony Hargrove 6-3 272 6th season, Na’il Diggs OLB these are out There on the List but when it comes down To choosing youir players you don’t know but may come cheaper.
Free agency for the Atlanta Falcons
The Atlanta Falcons Line has played extremely well over the past Two seasons,
if any are lost in Free Agency they will need to fill the Vacancy or being in danger of losing a top asset.
You look at the 8 offensive linemen who were released With one resigning with his former Club, , The 36 UFA and 48 RFA. The Released Ol that resigned with team was Casey Wigeniens C. The other Seven were 5 Guards and Two Tackles: Mitch Ericson G 6-6 290 Rookie, Hank Fraley G 6-3 310 10th Season, Ryan Lilia G 6-2 290 6th season,
Tyler Reed G 6-5 305, 2nd season, Randy Thomas G 11th Season.
The Two Tackles were Orlando Pace 13th Season 6-7 325 Lbs, and Tra Thomas T 12th Season .
Other Big OL UFA’s include Langston Walker 6-8 Tackle 366 lbs 8th Season,
Jon Runyon T 6-7 330lbs 14th season, Ephraim Saleem T 6-7 310 12th season,
as well as Andy Allman G 3rd, Jeremy Bridges G 6th, Chad Clifton T 10th, Damion Cook T 16th, Dennis Worman T 9th, Tutan Reyes G 10th, Ryan Tucker G 14th , Keydrick Vincent G 9th Season.
Free Agency For Atlanta Falcons CB, DB, Safeties SS, and FS
There were Four Bigger Safeties, CBs and DB released by there Teams. FS Antrell Rolle was released and signed by NYG’s Others not signed so far are Aaron Rouse SS Released 6-4 227 lbs SS after 3rd season. Gibral Wilson FS was released 6-0ft 205 lbs. as was John Wendling DB 6ft 1 in 222 lbs 3rd season by Buffalo.
So The choice will be to Spend more money in free agency, or Let the NFL Draft provide Players to Fill in.
Whether the Atlanta Falcons Say After Signing Robinson CB just wait for the draft or sign anyone else is anyone’s guess.
I don't think it is a guess
I doubt they’ll sign another high dollar DB FA, the operative terms being high dollar. We are pretty deep at safety and the front office is investing for the future. I think they’ll draft at least one DB, possibly in the later rounds unless there is some one that just can’t be passed up.
Na'il Diggs
With that name you know he is good
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
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