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The Great Falcons Roster Breakdown, Wide Receiver Edition

Welcome back to another compelling addition of the great roster breakdown, where readers and erstwhile bloggers Dave the Falconer and tlozwarlock go over the roster as currently constructed with a fine-toothed comb. Last week we discussed running backs and based on your votes, came to the conclusion that the position deserved a solid B. No shame in that.

This week, we're delving into the wide receiver depth chart, with a post headlined by Spencer Maddox, who provided an insanely detailed and well thought out analysis of the position. As usual, that will be followed by the brilliant brain bullets of DTF (tloz is up to his neck in day job this week), so set aside some time and join us for the breakdown. You'll be glad you did.

All the good stuff is after the jump, folks.

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Spencer Maddox writes:

Roddy White: 85 receptions, 1153 yards, 13.6 yards per reception, 11 TDs

 

It’s hard to say anything about Roddy White that hasn’t been said on this site and many others before, but in summary the prevailing thought is that he is an excellent receiver and a legitimate number one target for Matt Ryan. A young receiver to grow and mature with his young quarterback. His 11 touchdowns this year were tied for 4th best in league, that along with being 13th in the league in yards, and 10th in receptions provide objective evidence for these sentiments. There was a seemingly significant worry amongst Falcons fans prior to the season that the comforts of a new contract, the effect of a hold-out, and the added attention to be paid to him from opposing defenses would hurt Roddy’s production significantly in 2009; if not regressing back to the 2005 and 2006 levels of meager production. And it looked like those fears were going to come true when he had only 119 yards and 1 TD through the first three games. The reasons for these struggles are unclear (aka no significant injury, Matt Ryan played, they didn’t go against a top flight defense) but could be contributed to several minor factors possibly including: a shaky Matt Ryan to begin the year, defenses focusing more on Roddy while seeing exactly how big of an impact Gonzalez would have, and a conscientious decision by the Falcons to try and get the ball to Gonzalez early and often to quickly implement him into the offense and build comfort between him and Ryan. The rest of the season, however, reminded us all just how good White can be. His numbers were very inconsistent yardage wise ( for example he had 210 yards against the 49s, 56 the next week against Chicago) but he got into the endzone 10 times in the last 13 games which vaulted him to top 5 in the league in TDs for the season. He consistently came up big when the Falcons needed him to, if Gonzalez was having difficulty getting open in one game Roddy was there to pick up the slack. So while the arrival of Gonzalez certainly cut into his production (most likely in the areas of receptions and yardage rather than touchdowns) he had an excellent year overall.

 

The Falcons paid Roddy White in the offseason to be a number one receiver for a long time and he did not give them or any fan a reason to doubt that decision. He could certainly improve in the offseason, he continues to have some problems with drops here and there, but I look for Roddy to just continue what he has been doing for the last several years in 2010. One thing that cannot be overlooked is the fact that he has played and had at least one reception in every game of the past three seasons. At a position that is often associated with nagging injuries and diva personalities he has proven to be a tough, reliable, hard worker who shows up every game ready to let his play do the talking and this is something that should be valued a great deal by Falcons fans and a point of pride for the organization.

 

2009 Grade: A-

 

Michael Jenkins: 50 receptions, 635 yards, 12.7 yards per reception, 1 TD

 

The number that jumps out when looking at Michael Jenkins’ statistics for this season is an ugly one: 1 touchdown. There is no way to sugarcoat the fact that he simply did not get into the endzone as much as is expected for a number two receiver. However, it could be seriously debated that Jenkins was not Matt Ryan’s number two target this year. That distinction belonged to Tony Gonzalez (and sometimes even Roddy White was secondary to the future Hall of Famer) and Jenkins was often the third choice for Ryan. Now, whether that is due to the actually gameplan of the Falcons or simply Matt Ryan’s seemingly unlimited comfort and confidence with Gonzalez is unknown. When you get past that one number (TDs), and the truth remains that Ryan looked to Gonzalez a great deal in the red zone, this season looks remarkably like the last two statistically for Jenkins. He had 50 receptions in 2008 and 53 in 2007 accounting for 777 and 532 yards respectively, numbers that don’t look very different from this year at all. So while his touchdown numbers were down from previous years (3 in 2008 and 4 in 2009) there was not a significant drop-off in most of his statistics in 2009. And that is the probably the troubling part for most fans and coaches. Jenkins is 27, entering his seventh season and by all accounts should be in his prime. If anything his numbers should have gone up this year with defenses paying him less attention due to the threat that Gonzalez brings. Subjectively, just watching the game, it seems like Jenkins is capable of much more and I am left wondering what the Falcons could be if he matched his enormous physical potential with on the field production. This feeling of untapped potential is what drives fans, and probably coaches, crazy.

 

But are we correct in thinking that he SHOULD be (as opposed to COULD be) more? I thought so until I checked

around the league a little. In the 2004 when the Falcons drafted Jenkins 29th overall there was only one, surefire number one receiver taken: Larry Fitzgerald. The other receivers that panned out pretty well include Jenkins, Bernard Berrian, Roy Williams, and Devery Henderson along with a few others. Looking at those players statistics for this year reveal numbers all very similar to Jenkins. In short, he is right about where he should be, at least when compared to others from that draft, at this point in his career. Falcons fans need to realize that Michael has probably reached his maximum statistically with the offensive scheme and personal that are here now. He is a league average second or third receiver and I wouldn’t look for that change much soon (especially with the return of Harry Douglas next year). He is going to have drops and missed routes but he will also have that momentum changing play just as often, and that is not something lost on even the most casual observer.

 

2009 Grade: B-


Marty Booker: 16 receptions, 181 yards, 11.3 yards per reception, 1 TD

 

Marty Booker was brought in by the Falcons during training camp after the knee injury to Harry Douglas to fill the third wide receiver position. He did so in a completely unremarkable, borderline acceptable way. The truth of the matter is that there was a reason no one had picked up Booker late into the summer, he is old and past his prime. This is not really a knock on him (I certainly haven’t played in 1 NFL game, much less 157 like Marty) but more of a statement of fact. The Falcons knew what they were most likely getting out of Booker and felt like they would be able to get by. With the addition of Tony Gonzalez plus bringing back Roddy White and Michael Jenkins the Falcons seemed to assume that there would be plenty of targets for Matt Ryan to throw to. So Booker did not have an essential role to play and although he made a nice play here and there (a few third down conversions come to mind) the offense could have used a more significant threat coming out of the slot. Often defenses could key on Gonzalez coming over the middle on 3rd downs and another possession-type receiver would have been invaluable. So, Marty, thanks for all you did this year, it was appreciated and I hope you find a place to play next year if you so desire. I just am hoping it’s not with Falcons.

 

2009 Grade: C


Brian Finneran: 11 receptions, 111 yards, 10.1 yards per reception, 0 TD

 

Poor Brian Finneran, who by suffering his third season ending knee injury of his career during the Washington game this season has officially earned the title of Most Unlucky Falcon Ever. He wasn’t having a great year statistically before the injury mainly due to lack of playing time and Gonzalez becoming a primary red zone target in the situations where Finneran used to be at his best and most valuable. He has resigned with the Falcons for next season although it remains to be seen what kind of impact he would have, if any, after yet another serious knee injury.

 

2009 Grade: INC

 

Eric Weems: 6 receptions, 50 yards, 8.3 yards per reception, 2 TDs

 

In only his second year on the team Eric Weems proved to be an excellent return man and showed good quickness and elusiveness as a wideout. His 30 yard TD reception against the Cowboys was certainly the highlight of his season from a receiving standpoint. I like him on this team as a burner, stretch the field type and hope the Falcons continue to develop him in that way.


2009 Grade: INC

 

 

Thoughts: When looking at the Falcon’s receiving corps, it would be easy for an outsider to view this group as Roddy White and some other guys. Those of us who hold the Falcons near and dear to our heart (and if you are reading this blog and don’t count yourself among this group the truth is that you fall into this category whether you admit it or not) would be quick to sing defend our boys and sing the praises of Michael Jenkins’ freak measurables, Brian Finneran’s sure hands and Mary Booker’s wily verteran-ness in addition to the domination that is Roddy. Unfortunately, upon looking closely at actual on-field production, the outsider might make us look like Falcoholic drinkin’ fools. It should be noted that the Falcons have an unusual situation when it comes to receiving, they have Tony Gonzalez. And while he doesn’t count as a receiver for the purpose of this review, his importance in the passing game must be remembered when looking at production from receivers. Factoring his statistics into the equation makes the team receiving numbers not look nearly as bland as it does when you disregard said statistics.

 

That being said, there is a lot of room for improvement from the receivers starting with finding a slot/ third receiver that can consistently perform across the middle. This unit is still very young and bringing back Harry Douglas next year will help tremendously fill that role. I don’t really think the Falcons should look to free agency for anything at receiver besides to fill out the roster as needed. One thing I would love to see in the draft is for Comrade Dimitroff to use one or two of our lower picks to trade up and grab Jordan Shipley if he is available in Round 2 (and definitely if he is there in Round 3). He would be an excellent addition in the slot and would take some of the burden off of Tony Gonzalez on third down.

 

tlozwarlock writes:

 

Dave the Falconer writes:

 

Though it was a slightly off year for a couple of our receiving options, this portion of the depth chart was pretty good in 2009. It promises to get better when Harry Douglas returns. If the team can improve anything—and really, outside of lasagna with cream cheese, when is something so good that you can't improve it—it would be lower on the depth chart, where cagey veterans currently lurk. As always, my grades cover the 2009 season only.

 

WR Roddy White, Starter: For the second year in a row, Roddy White made an appearance in every game. For the third year in a row, he caught at least 80 passes and exceeded 1,000 yards. For the first time in his career, he exceeded 11 touchdowns. To put that into some kind of perspective, in his first two seasons combined he managed less than 1,000 yards, 3 TDs and 59 catches. Quite the transformation.

 

Simply put, White makes the offense go, alongside Turner (when he's healthy) and Tony Gonzalez. Considering Gonzo's probably only got a couple of seasons left in him and Turner takes a pounding as our starting back, he's probably the most integral long-term piece of the offense outside of Matt Ryan. Given his numbers, he almost certainly should've been a Pro Bowl lock last season, too. All this despite questions of how Gonzo would cut into his numbers.

 

And yet this wasn't White's finest season. His catch rate was only 52%, notably lower than guys like Donald Driver and Sidney Rice, and he has never fully shaken the bad case of dropsy that's plagued him throughout his career. Can you blame some of that catch rate on Matt Ryan being erratic? Sure. Do you also have to account for White's mishaps? Sure do.Based on some of Football Outsiders' advanced metrics, he's ranked down in the low 30's for wide receivers based on efficiency and effectiveness adjusted for a full season.

 

But despite that, make no mistake: Roddy White is among the top 10 or 15 wide receivers in the NFL. He's a cornerstone of the franchise and a guy who is extremely effective in the red zone, something any future versions of the Falcons' High-Scoring Offense (TM) will need to make use of. If White can conquer some of those lingering issues with his hands, he'll only get better. I'm not going to be the one to doubt that he can and will.

 

Reasonable projections for 2010? Something similar to 2009 with a better catch rate, so we'll say 75-80 catches, 1,200 yards and 10 TDs.

 

Grade: A-

 

WR Michael Jenkins, Other Starter: Say what you will about Michael Jenkins, but he's a damn fine blocker. Such a good blocker that you can almost ignore the fact that he has some glaring weaknesses as a wide receiver.

 

First, the good news. In 2009, Jenkins continued to selflessly throw himself in the path of charging defenses and block like he always has, and that makes him an integral part of this offense. He also hauled in 50 passes in 15 games and caught....well, one touchdown. But it was a good one! It was the sort of generally average season we're used to seeing from Jenkins, given a boost by his additional value outside of catching passes.

 

As a receiver, though, I think we've got to start accepting the fact that this is as good as it gets for Jenkins. Many predicted Gonzo would cut into his looks, but he was still targeted on 90 pass attempts and came up with a slightly-better-than-White 56% catch rate. What went down substantially was his yardage from a year ago, and he either dropped or was unavailable for a few red zone pass attempts, utterly mind boggling when you consider that at 6'4" he can probably reach straight up and exceed the jumping height of most of the league's mighty mite cornerbacks. With his size he ought to be at least our #3 option in the red zone, and yet Eric Weems caught more touchdown passes than he did. That's less than ideal.

 

Frankly, none of this is going to change. The coaching staff values Jenkins as a blocker too much to take him out of the game all that often, so he'll continue to line up opposite Roddy White and get a few passes a game tossed his way. With Douglas returning from injury he ought to see a drop in targets, but 40+ catches for 500-600 yards and a pair of touchdowns sounds just about right. Say what you will about Michael Jenkins, but he's awfully reliable. He's just not great.

 

Grade: B- as a receiver, A as a blocker

 

WR Harry Douglas, Backup: It's not worth dwelling on what Douglas might have done in 2009 had he been healthy, because he wasn't. A pre-season injury cost him his entire season, and now we're left trying to project what the promising young speedster can do in 2010. Here's a projection for you.

 

Douglas will likely be used on short routes, in a style similar to a Wes Welker or 2008 Eddie Royal, with the team trying to open up lanes for him to take off and gain extra yardage. He's also a viable deep option, though the team shouldn't lean on him too heavily for that until they ensure his speed will be there following the injury. In that capacity, he has a real chance to cut into Michael Jenkins' workload, and I fully expect he will. Unless he's bulked up somewhat and has spent a hell of a lot of time learning how best to leverage his frame for blocking, I expect you'll only see him on the field about 50% of the time.

 

He has a chance to be a real weapon, though, and I'll go ahead and project about 30 passes caught, 500 yards, 2-3 touchdowns and maybe 100 yards rushing on some of Mike Mularkey's beloved gimmick plays. That's not earth-shattering or anything, but as a #3 option returning from a crippling injury, he ought to provide a lot of value.

 

Grade: INC

 

WR Brian Finneran, Backup: Finn is one of the most beloved Falcons in recent memory and was recently re-signed, so chances are very good he'll come back as a part-time player/full-time tutor to our young receivers. They could certainly all take a lesson from his sure-handedness. The question is whether Finn can stay healthy.

 

That's a very real question. The last time Finn was a big piece of the offensive puzzle was 2005, when he had a Jenkins-ish season with 50 catches and over 600 yards. Last year, in the 10 games he was active in, he caught 11 passes for 111 yards and zero touchdowns. He's a capable blocker and a big target like Jenkins, but he's also 34 years old and has missed 22 games over the course of the last three seasons. When he was healthy and active in 2008 he provided some value as a sure-handed target, but with Gonzo here and Douglas coming back, he's likely to fade into irrelevance in 2010.

 

Expect a handful of catches if he makes the final roster, but after giving it some thought I do support keeping him around with an eye on moving him to the coaching staff in 2011, assuming he retires. I think he's got a lot to teach. As a player, though, he hasn't got much left in the tank.

 

Grade: C-

 

WR Marty Booker, Backup: If Marty Booker returns to the Falcons, someone in the front office clearly has a shrine to him in his/her bedroom.

 

Booker piled up 16 catches, 181 yards and a single touchdown in 2009, not bad numbers for a guy down quite a ways on the depth chart. Still, he'll be 34 in July, isn't nearly the blocker Finn is and would simply serve to take up a roster spot the Falcons could better use on a young receiver who could blossom into something down the line. He did everything asked of him in 2009 and I appreciate it, but that shouldn't be enough to guarantee him a spot in 2010. His best, at this point in his career, is really only average.

 

Grade: C-

 

WR Eric Weems, Backup/Return Ace: Like Jenkins, Weems provided huge value as something other than a pass catcher. We'll discuss that further when we get to special teams, of course, but keep in mind that I'm grading Weems in the vacuum of the receiver discussion.

 

Notable off-the-field incident aside, Weems made the most of some very limited chances in the passing game. The most notable thing is that his speed and shiftiness enabled him to haul in two touchdown passes in 2009, and he remains a viable surprise option in the red zone. If Marty Booker is kicked to the curb, expect Weems to inch up the depth chart—perhaps even past Finn—and collect maybe 10 catches, 150-200 yards and a touchdown. Considering his spot on the depth chart, that'd be pretty nice. Considering his very limited exposure to the passing game in 2009, I've gotta give him an incomplete here, but with extra credit for those touchdowns.

 

I do think he'll prove to be a valuable piece moving forward.

 

Grade: INC

 

 

Bottom line: I look at this depth chart and I see one truly fantastic option (White), one solid option who provides value as a blocker (Jenkins), one potentially quality young option (Douglas), a #4 receiver with special teams value (Weems) and a couple of old fogeys who won't provide too much on the field. As I'm always looking for the Falcons to upgrade and get younger, I would still strongly support the team picking up a young, tall receiver with upside as a pass catcher and basically giving him a redshirt year to learn the offense. After all, Finn's probably only around one more year, and Jenkins won't be viable forever. Still, this is a position with quality depth, and I'm looking forward to seeing the destruction the White/Jenkins/Douglas combo can inflict on the league in 2010.

 

Tell us what you think in the comments!

 

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Weems had a couple nice runs as well.

I like him as a nice utility guy. He’s good on returns and seems to have good football smarts.

Biggest shame was poor Douglas getting hurt. That kid is special. Might have really opened things up for us on offense this year.

by Duff_Man on Feb 25, 2010 8:12 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed about Weems

He’ll continue to fit nicely.

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by Dave Choate on Feb 25, 2010 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think

WR is probably our position of least need behind quarterback. With Roddy White, Jenkins, Finneran, and the potential that Douglas and Weems bring to the table we have a solid receiving corps. Tony Gonzalez brings it to another level. As a run first team, we can’t put all these guys on the field at once. I’m content to head into 2010 with this receiving corps largely untouched.

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by phoenix falcoholic on Feb 25, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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Could not agree more. Jenks has a bad case of “Butterfingers Syndrome” right now, but he’s an above average blocker (for a WR) and I’m confident the coaches can get his head right. I’m super excited to see Weems/Harry on the field at the same time next year, it should throw some defenses for a loop.

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by FrankyWren on Feb 25, 2010 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

C-

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by Jason Kirk on Feb 25, 2010 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

A C- with no explanation?

Whoa, flashbacks to eighth grade math.

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by Dave Choate on Feb 25, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

C?

I cannot comprehend how anyone could give the widereceiver position an average rating, when one of the receivers is Roddy White. Roddy White by himself makes the position above average. He is one of the best receivers in the league. I think people are underestimating the dearth of quality receivers in the NFL.

by Kenny483 on Feb 25, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Roddy's an A- at best. Nobody else is better than a C or INC

The position isn’t a clear strength. Provided HD highly defines (GET IT) himself next year, Weems pitches in, and a couple of the old fellas hang on well enough, this could be a high B in no time. But right now, who scares a single D coordinator? It’s a one-man show, and that one man isn’t Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Vincent Jackson, Wes Welker, or Reggie Wayne.

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by Jason Kirk on Feb 25, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

By "at best" I think I meant it's easy for Roddy to be taken out of games due to lack of complementary threats.

Not really his fault. He’s a solid A-.

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by Jason Kirk on Feb 25, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

well ...

Let’s be fair. Wes Welker isn’t exactly Wes Welker right now either. You’re better off looking at this from a “where will we stand when the season starts” perspective, assuming our talent pans out. That us how TD has to approach it, and it’s how we should approach it.

Under a forward-thinking approach, Weems and Harry are clear Bs. Jenks is no worse than a C+, even if he never learns how to catch the ball (his blocking ability alone gets him the grade). Finn is a C, but he’ll be our fifth receiver.

I think you’re being a tad bit pessimistic re: the unit as a whole, but agree to disagree.

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by FrankyWren on Feb 25, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

that us how = that is how

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by FrankyWren on Feb 25, 2010 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

54 total career receiving yards = B? Even counting Weems' special teams contributions, he'd barely be a C+.

Our jaws would all go through the floor if Weems or HD were rated 86 in Madden 11. That’s what being a B means.

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by Jason Kirk on Feb 26, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

well ...

Weems gets the B because of his special teams value, which is something you have to take into account with your fourth and fifth receivers.

When I was in school, an 80 was a B, and I wouldn’t be super surprised to see Harry around an 80ish and Weems not far from 80ish. Like I said my man, I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with one point there Franky

Blocking alone is an OK reason to keep around your 2nd TE, but it’s not OK for your #2 WR. And for what it’s worth, PFF says Jenkins (sort the Blocking tab) had negative value as a blocker last season (and Roddy rated higher). I strongly believe the team needs to draft a WR in the middle rounds, with the idea of serious competition for the #2 spot (whether it’s Jenkins, HD, or draftee) in 2011.

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by orang3b on Feb 26, 2010 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough ...

But come on, the guy only had four dropped passes all last year, and his % caught was ten percent less his average % caught in ‘08 and ’09, so it isn’t like he’s always been this inefficient (hence the extension).

Sure, the rest of his numbers pretty much stayed the same, and a reappearance of ‘08 Jenks would have no doubt quieted the Red and Black masses, but you can’t really blame just him for his abysmal TD total (read: Mularkey has tunnel vision in the red zone).

I just think people get very caught up in lamenting about how bad he is without really understanding how relatively decent he is. Not saying he’s the long term solution at the no. 2 WR spot, but even you don’t seem to support drafting a WR in the first round, which is what some folks would have us do.

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

oops

and his % caught was ten percent less his average % caught in ‘08 and ’09 = and his % caught was ten percent less his average % caught in ‘07 and ’08

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

five dropped passes ...

but still better than his ’07 DP total

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m OK with his # of official “drops”. It’s his rate stats that aren’t anything special:

’09 – 56% Catch Percentage; 12.7 Average Yards Per Reception
’08 – 62% C%; 15.5 AVG
’07 – 62% C%; 10.0 AVG

To be a true asset, he needs to be either averaging 15+ Yds per Catch like in 2008 (a big play threat like Malcolm Floyd, Hakeem Nicks, Pierre Garcon, Robert Meachem, or Devery Henderson – whether that AVG is coming from bombs or primarily on Yards after the Catch doesn’t matter), or he needs to be catching 68%+ of the balls thrown his way (a possession guy like Austin Collie, Kevin Walter, Greg Camarillo, Steve Breaston, or even Jason Avant).

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by orang3b on Feb 27, 2010 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

One man show

I’m going to have to agree with brickcheney here (though I think it was Moss – not Welker – who DC’s had to gameplan for).

Roddy: A-
Jenkins: C-
all other WR’s in 2009: D

For 2010, I feel like we have a solid #1, a barely serviceable #2, an injured #3 coming back, then… nothing.

I expect pretty much nothing from Finn in ‘10 – I’d be surprised if he makes the final roster.
I expect Weems to have to really fight for his roster spot, with HD coming back. Unless the team decided to take HD off return duties altogether, Weems is totally expendable – he was thrown 6 passes last season (he caught them all). We just don’t have a better option to take his place.
Oh, and as for Harry Douglas? I’ve mentioned before that we’re building him up into something he’s not (at least not yet). He caught 23 passes his rookie year. He’s coming off a torn ACL. He’s not a cure-all.

We’ve got to get another serious WR prospect on the roster. The coaches and front office didn’t like Laurent Robinson – fine, but we have to get a guy to take his spot.

By the way, great job Spencer Maddox (and Dave, of course)!

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by orang3b on Feb 26, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Solid C

If White gets hurt we have no other big play receiver. No matter how good White is the rest of these guys are pedestrian at best. Now if you add Gonzales to this equation as a whole i give our pass receivers a B because of the TE’s.

by chickenfoot on Feb 27, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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by FrankyWren on Feb 25, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Pick up one solid WR in the draft or through free agency and I think we will be set at this position for a little while. We have one dominant receiver who still hasn’t had his best year yet, one who could very easily be a breakout player very soon (Douglas), a couple of decent passing options who provide value outside of receptions, and TG to take some of the pressure off the receivers. Our big concern at this point is getting the run game back where it needs to be, whether than entails bringing in new players or just keeping the ones we have healthy and operating at full capacity. If we can run it like we did in 2008, our passing game will be more than adequate.

by Mountvillainy on Feb 25, 2010 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

with harry back our recievers are B+

We need 2 cut booker and make sure harry douglas is ready to go. I still believe in jenkins and I hope the team works with him and harry a lot in the offseason on catchin the ball. He’s 6’4 and fast a hell man all the potential in the world. Player for player man for man our offense should be unstoppable. With Harry back in the slot and turner 100% we have everything u can ask for. Norwood is even the exact complement to turner that we need. Mularkey has gotta use the weapons and get it together man because with 09 overall being a good but disappointing year and this possibly being gonzo’s last year with us the time is now. Not excepting anything less than a playoff run past the 1st round. I want a ring in 2011 and as of now baring all the injuries i think we may only be a few defensive players short.

by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Feb 25, 2010 4:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Trade 2 for 2.

We could shop out Norwood and Jamal Anderson for the lions second pick. Maybe pick up mardy gilyard.

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by Ball Hawk on Feb 25, 2010 7:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

simple draft plan:

(1) trade all draft picks + Matty Ice + Burner for the number one overall pick in the draft
(2) draft Gilyard no. 1 overall
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by FrankyWren on Feb 25, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

lmao

Gilyard is nice and is gonna be a problem next year but our offense can get it done and our d has some wholes. Gotta draft d

by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Feb 26, 2010 4:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

All I'm saying is

As my plumber once put it “one mans poop is another mans sandwich”. One could hardly say that the two names I mentioned are pulling thier weight around here. We would be lucky to get a second round pick for them and we could sure use an impact player in whatever position. Mardy would be a good edition but if we did have a second round pick and they were going to use it on offense I’m sure it would be O line.

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by Ball Hawk on Feb 26, 2010 7:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Matty + Burner = JA98 + Norwood?

Not so much.

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by Ball Hawk on Feb 26, 2010 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+999,999,999

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

... well I was going for the hyperbole

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Instead of Ice and Burnsy, let's send Roddy, HD, and TG.

That way, The Mardy Boy can receive 100% of our pass targets.

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by Jason Kirk on Feb 26, 2010 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

THIS!

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta love falcon fans

We are all nuckin’ futz. What can we logically get for Norwood, Houston and Jamal.

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by Ball Hawk on Feb 26, 2010 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

jason snelling

Does he have any draft worth? Chargers? Lets trade j abe and include J anderson, and houston for a draft pick or more

by FalconfaninKY on Feb 26, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

he is a 1st rounder

i kno some of you may have seen me post the same things over and over again, but i have to urge u if u havent already, check out my man mardy gilyard. i came across him by accident one day saw a few of his games, then learned everything i could about him. long story short, he lost his scholarship and was forced to live in his car for 6 months. while he was doing this he worked 3 jobs, and still found time to feed the homeless. he got back to football and broke every record that the bear cats had to offer for his position. he is a wr. he makes the big plays. him opposite roddy white next year. two big play receivers with tony g for the route running go to guy jus in case. he is also a devin hester like returner only better, and not dumb. he would challenge weems for his job making them both better in the long run. he is an outstanding guy to go along with being gifted athletically ( horrible speller somtimes) he is lucky to even be playing football and be apart of the nfl. he knows this and will play his ass off, unlike peppers from the carolina pussthers. he crashed into a little kid cathing a td pass, he threw his helmet off fast and made sure the little boy was okay, then picked him up and hugged him. wat class. what a caring player. he would be a phenomenal first round pick. i kno that sounds crazy but the draft is defense heavy, we should get a lot of compensatory picks, and TD my trade for a second rounder, please look up this guy on youtube, look at his awesome senior bowl stats. he can adjust to anything as seen in senior bowl. comment me. ILLINOIS FALCON FAN bears fans hate me all around.

by JJWatt1stfalconspick on Feb 26, 2010 4:15 AM EST reply actions  

if

If we needed offense I’d be with you all the way, but unless we get more than one defensive player through free agency (which is doubtful).I don’t see it happening. Gilyard is gonna be a problem next year tho!

by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Feb 26, 2010 4:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

gilyard needs to sharpen his routes, go ever the middle more and consistently catch passes in traffic to be the falcons first pick gilyard is a borderline 1st to second round prospect i believe due to lack of a need at receiver in the draft this year.

other teams have much bigger holes to fill and most likely that hole would be filled by dez bryant in the early picks. And later picks in the 1st would be taken by Benn from Illinois based on his size and speed For some reason i hear GM’s are high on Benn and i believe Damian williams is also better then gilyard. he has the best routes in this years draft and to be a good receiver in the nfl you cant just run bubble screens and Streak patters to be successful in the NFL

by 4Ever Golden on Feb 26, 2010 5:14 AM EST up reply actions  

... well I hate the Bears, and as a WI-based Falcons fan, I feel your pain

But I don’t think the Mardy thing is going to happen. It isn’t like he’s not going to get his though.

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by FrankyWren on Feb 26, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Would have to give Roddy something less than 100

He’s very, very good. I just remember that play against the Broncos at home in 08. He makes a tough (but possible) catch in the endzone, we win. We lost. He’ll be at the top of the league when he starts making that clutch play. I didn’t see him elevate to that level in 09.

by NeedATicketToTheGame on Feb 26, 2010 12:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Draft a WR?

If we draft offensive players I’d rather us go after an OL or RB. You don’t have to draft a WR to get a good player. I live in the Dallas area and Miles Austin is an example of an undrafted WR that had a great season. He only has one good season under his belt but he’s only been used a lot for one season.

I like the idea of packaging Norwood and Anderson for a draft pick or bundle them for an existing receiver. If we can’t trade for a draft pick save them for bigger issues than a WR.

by mwalex on Feb 26, 2010 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

Exception not the rule.

Miles is a rare case. Riley cooper or Denario Alexander would do well as late round picks.

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by Ball Hawk on Feb 26, 2010 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

Not as much as you'd think

Wes Welker, Antonio Gates, Wayne Chrebet, Rod Smith and Sam Hurd are all undrafted WR’s. We’d be good with any guys of that caliber to back up Roddy White.

by mwalex on Feb 26, 2010 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

you know who else was undrafted?

some guy out of clemson last year that we thought would produce this year….woops. most players go undrafted for a reason and the ones who actully care about football and put their minds to and have good work ethic are the ones who come through to the NFL its hard to find guys like that its not like everyone can just sign a Miles Austin

by 4Ever Golden on Feb 27, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

That's why people like

TD get paid a lot for looking at talent. Take Dallas as an example, they have signed Hurd, Austin and Romo. None of those guys were drafted.

I am not saying the ATL shouldn’t draft a WR but I am saying that we should not spend an early pick on one.

The comment about most players go undrafted for a reason is not correct. There are a lot of great players at smaller schools or go to school to get an education and focus on football second. That does not mean they cannot play in the NFL, rather their talent has not been fully quantified.

I don’t believe you need to spend an early draft on a #2 WR.

by mwalex on Feb 28, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Roddy Roddy, Mr Jenks, Weems, and Harry give us a fine corps if all are healthy

I would not mind adding a vet FA like TO if the price is right or a rook WR in the later rounds if someone falls to us

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Mar 1, 2010 8:54 PM EST reply actions  

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