An Examination Of The Atlanta Falcon Snap Count Versus The Saints
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Thanks to our resident ink-smudged stats miner, we once again have a full accounting of the defensive snaps our Falcons took against the New Orleans Saints. It's an eye-opening look at how the Falcons choose to deploy their personnel, and it tells you things about Peria Jerry you probably didn't want to know. Ever.
Keep in mind that the total number of snaps for the Falcons in this game was 56. A handful of players never came out of the game, while others came out for reasons of injury (Sean Weatherspoon, John Abraham). Others got in the game for extremely limited snaps, which at this point is probably a fair sign of what's to come for them.
Join us after the jump for a rich, velvety breakdown.
Defensive Line
File this in the Not Surprising drawer: Kroy Biermann and John Abraham got the majority of snaps outside at defensive end. Duff Man picked up 40 and Abe 41, despite a devastating eye poke that knocked him out for one play while he snapped his orbital socket back into place. Here's a breakdown of the rest:
Jamaal Anderson, 19 (15 at DE, 4 at DT): The use of JA98 continues to be one of my favorite subplots of the young season. His usage declined from exactly one snap from the Arizona game and two from the Pittsburgh game, so it looks like Anderson's carved himself out a little role in this defense. He rotates through DE on run situations and when Biermann needs a rest, rotates into DT a handful of times a game and rotates onto the bench for the rest of it. Did any of us hope for this sort of super reserve role when the Falcons drafted him eighth overall in 2007? Oh, hell no. Is he valuable? Oh, hell yes.
Jonathan Babineaux, 56: I love the USS Babineaux. He's incredibly underrated nationally given how nasty he is. He was a key in this one, playing every single snap and just battering the Saints offensive line. If you don't think he's playing 80% or more of the snaps every week, you're crazy.
You big crazy.
Corey Peters, 46: You have to give this kid props. He's now played the majority of snaps two out of three weeks, after evenly splitting time with Peria Jerry last week. More on Jerry in a minute.
I'm loving the 2010 draft so far because of guys like Sean Weatherspoon and Peters, who are playing so well so early in their rookie seasons that they've basically locked up starting jobs. This is a true rotation at DT and Peters can't possibly pull this many snaps each week, but don't bet against him playing better than 50% of the snaps week-in, week-out.
Peria Jerry, 1: Yes. One snap. According to orang3b:
Yes, the totals are listed right - Peria Jerry got ONE snap (he also picked up an offsides call, but that didn't count as an offical play). It's not like the offsides put him in Mike Smith's doghouse or anything - his one snap came in the 3rd Quarter, and the penalty was with about 9 minutes left in the 4th Quarter. He wasn't listed on the injury report at all, so I have no idea what the problem was this week.
If what D. Orlando Ledbetter is robbling about over at the AJC is true, than Jerry may still be struggling to recover from his knee injury. If that's the case, he really shouldn't have been picking up 19 snaps against the Cardinals, but that whole situation remains somewhat shrouded in mystery. If Jerry's getting pushed out in favor of Peters—hell, Vance Walker got more snaps (4) than Jerry did—the Falcons may have to figure out a way to maximize his talents and get him on the field. Maybe he could kick outside occasionally, like a reverse Jamaal Anderson?
Way too early to tell, of course. Just some food for thought.
Linebackers
"The Police" never rest, and neither does Curtis Lofton. Our star middle linebacker didn't have his greatest game against the Saints, but he never came off the field. Good on him.
Sean Weatherspoon, 52: Aside from the cramps in overtime, 'Spoon never came off the field either. He's having a remarkable rookie season, and I hope he's healthy enough to play against the 49ers. Unfortunately, he didn't practice again Thursday.
Mike Peterson, 26: There's a pretty clear difference between Mike Peterson and Stephen Nicholas, who only got six snaps. Peterson plays primarily against the run and in the base 4-3 package, which the Falcons ran 46% of the time against the Saints, according to orang3b. When they plan for the pass and run a nickel package, in comes Nicholas. It's not a perfect arrangement, but it's the one that makes the most sense at the moment. Peterson's still getting way more snaps.
Defensive Backs
Thomas DeCoud, William Moore, and Brent Grimes played every single snap. Remember when DOL was predicting that Brian Williams would oust Grimes from the starting lineup? How quaint. Dunta Robinson also picked up all but one snap, with orang3b noting that he came off the field after getting toasted on the Devery Henderson drop. I feel light years more confident in our secondary this season.
Chris Owens, 30: It's pretty clear that Owens has locked down the nickel back spot, and he's playing with real gusto.
This kid just likes to hit people. He's solid in coverage, our most physical corner by a decent margin and someone who I believe will eventually force his way up the depth chart. For now, he's getting 20-30 snaps at the nickel per game and doing a great job with them.
Brian Williams, 1: If Williams was going to make the team, I envisioned him being used like this. Sparingly. As a veteran leader who isn't asked to do much, he's worth a roster spot this season. I just pray the secondary stays healthy and we don't have to find out how well he'd play with more time.
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we have so many defensive players
playing every snap or somewhere around that. can you imagine how that would change if the offense weren’t able to stay on the field and keep our defense fresh?
Atlanta Falcons fan in Moscow, Russia
that's a good point
I think Smith knows this and is using Turner and Snelling more in an effort to keep our D off the field and get other teams D tired.
On the other hand, we have a lot of depth on our defense (I’m so happy that I can finally say that), especially on our line so I think even if we can’t control the clock like we did in NO (and how often we will be able to hold onto the ball that long in most games?) we still have the talent in our backup players to keep offenses contained.
that's exactly what happened
in the season opener. we lost the time of possession battle, and I wonder how that could play into that temporary lapse which resulted in the 50 yard TD.
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I don't think it did.
Huge plays against the tards and aints too
by FLA_Falcon on Oct 2, 2010 6:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
excellent point...
People forget how often our offense put our defense in bad situations last year… that’s one big difference through the first 3 games.
The offense and the defense aren’t completely independent units – they help or hurt each other depending on what they do while on the field. Last year, our offense went 3 and out so many times that our already depleted and below average defense would get worn out from constantly being on the field.
So in addition to the help they’re getting from the offense, now the defense is helping itself by getting off the field quickly. They’re rested and energetic, and that can only help.
by cheshire falcon on Oct 1, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
unfortunately
they have to compliment not only each other but also bail out our special teams which were horrible this year. that was one of the reasons the Saints were still in the game in the OT. and not only in this game, but also the Steelers game when Pitt got good field position many times, and the final punt in the OT which “pinned” them in our territory was the killer
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Yeah, they did a great job
The Saints weren’t able to execute a ton of long drives, so most of the key contributors on defense were able to stay in the game the whole time. That’s really all Turner, Snelling, and the O-Line, and the way we were able to extend drives. Dominating the time of possession and on third/fourth downs, it really helps out the defense.
Additionally, the defense did a good job helping themselves by doing a mostly solid job on third downs against the Saints. Obviously they got burned a couple of times, gave up some bad plays, but it’s a far cry from last year when we absolutely could not get our defense off the field.
by Bronn on Oct 1, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THAT, Comrade, was the key in the Saints game.
Offense is a game of rhythm; defense a game of attrition. The more snaps your team gets on offense, the better you get. The fewer snaps on defense you get, the fewer the opportunities to foul it up.
The Falcons defense played well enough that Brees and them never got a good feel for field. That also put the offense back on the field to continue their excellent play.
I was proud this week. Great comment!
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and I just realized
that the fact the offense stayed on the field for so long and kept the D off the field might have contributed to Baker’s penalties. he’s the starting LT and gets most of the attention and when he spends so much time on the field, he gets tired and starts making mental mistakes
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Baker's got to get in the oven and rise up
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by brotherbrown on Oct 2, 2010 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Great breakdown
I’m curious about the Jerry thing as well, but at this point I’m willing to be generous and say that it’s because of his knee injury and they want to bring him along slowly to avoid and sort of repeat of that.
Biermann is obviously our left end for the future and if he continues to perform like he has been (and I have no reason to believe otherwise) then I think he’ll be a franchise DE by the end of this season.
Peters is a good player and although he’s not Babs, he’s a solid presence in the line. He was a great pickup in the draft and players like him and Spoon are fostering an almost religious-like belief in our front office.
Our secondary has also been playing well, and while Dunta isn’t the Revis-type of shutdown corner we were all hoping for (and let’s be honest, there are only really two of those in the whole league) I think he’s doing well enough. Not sure if he’s earning his paycheck as of yet, but so far I’m willing to let him settle in some more and see what happens.
Grimes on the other hand is worth every dime we’re giving him and is really impressing me. I just hope that the coaches recognize the potential for problems if opposing teams start throwing their taller receivers at him.
All in all I’m hugely impressed with the strides this defense has made over the off-season and think that they’re fast becoming playoff winning caliber.
Since you brought it up
Dunta’s 2010 Salary (including Signing Bonus): $12,000,000.00 (according to Rotoworld)
Grimey’s 2010 Salary: $545,000.00
And about Peria Jerry – I’m just hoping he tweaked his knee in practice last week, or had some swelling, etc; and Coach Smith just didn’t want to list it on the injury report. He was a regular part of the rotation in the first two weeks (I think it was 21 snaps Wk1, then 19 in Wk2).
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Something tells me Grimes will be getting a raise
Lockout issues aside, something tells me Grimes is due for a new contract. After his last season performance and what he’s been doing so far this year, I think he’s earned it.
I agree
Show that man they money!
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by armchair quarterback on Oct 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Jerry's an interesting case
He’s a part of the rotation, for sure, but it seems to me as though Peters has already become the lead horse in that race. His play to this point has certainly justified it, but Jerry was supposed to be the future of our interior pass rush.
If he’s healthy, he ought to play a lot more.
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One seldom hears about what great progress Jerry's making
His injury’s got to be a lot more serious than the Falcons have ever disclosed.
They've been very quiet about him in general
Which does make me quirk an eyebrow. Drafting Jerry was designed to give us something we had really been lacking, but Vance Walker and Peters have really grown up in a short time.
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What seems apparent is
Our 2008 and 2010 draft has had an almost immediate impact on our team, while the 2009 season was sluggish with growing pains
Jerry is behind most by starting the least even over william moore.
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There's still quality there, I think
Just taking time to reveal itself.
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exactly my point about the 2009 draft class
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by brotherbrown on Oct 2, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
With the way Grimes can leap
I don’t think Taller Receivers should be a problem.
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Dose of realism
We’re all ecstatic over how great the defense is playing but do we realise that the D is 21st overall in yards allowed and 22nd against the pass? To be fair those rankings were skewed by Breese as he does that to all defenses and those numbers should get better as the year progresses.
I am curious to see how Jerry is used this year. I hope the low snap count is due to working him back slowly and not that the FO is giving up on him.
good stuff
I’d like to see even more d lineman rotation. A little L sid trey lewis and jamal anderson.
by DEMBIRDZCUZ! on Oct 1, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Does that take the OT into account?
When you think about it, the Falcons have played at least one quarter more (Steelers game OT was pretty short) than most teams so those stats don’t worry me too much. Whenever you get into OT the stats aren’t going to look good on at least on side of the ball.
Defensive VOA through 3 games
(not adjusted for strength of opposing Offense): #8 Overall; #11 Pass Defense; #14 Run Defense, according to Football Outsiders.
And nobody’s going to give up on a First Round draft pick after just 5 games (2 last year before the injury, 3 so far this season). I’m hoping he just had some sort of set-back last week with his knee, and that is why he barely played.
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Great stats
Do they have a stats that are adjusted for the strength of opposing offenses? Given how well NO does on offense, I would like to think that we’d be a little higher.
Huge jump up from last year either way though.
They will after this weekend.
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Dude...
My lazy butt thanks you for your hard work. This is why I love this site. I get all types of analysis from one place.
As far as the stats themselves, eh…I’m not a stat guy ;-)
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Take away a few big plays
and those numbers would probably look a whole lot better.
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by armchair quarterback on Oct 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
fine
as long as we don;’t make a habbit out of allowing one or two big plays a game
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….that cost us
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by brotherbrown on Oct 2, 2010 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I didn’t like about the NFL stats.
2008 we were consistently ranked as the 24th defense in the league, and although we weren’t stellar like the Vikings, Ravens and Steelers defense, we still seemed underrated and should have been about 16th total defense at least.
Most of the yards the Falcons give up are on big plays.
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you know what that looks like?
like the Aints 2009 Defense. they gave up ton of yardage but made up by key plays and takeaways
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that's a good point
but I hope they just tighten it up on D – scary proposition to have to depend on the takeaways…
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A little concerned about the big plays that are getting ripped off.
Hines ward and Lance Moore killed our stats. If you take those guys’s plays out of the equation then I bet we are ranked in the top ten D’s in the league. Also our LBs are having trouble with TEs.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Oct 1, 2010 4:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Woo!
It’s cool if you completely ignore this cuz I’m too lazy to do it myself but it would be cool there was a breakdown of what percentage of plays were made by each guy on the defense. I think that would be a better stat than just a total of tackles/sacks/interceptions/deflections.
Just sayin…
by FLA_Falcon on Oct 1, 2010 5:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Do you mean (for instance)
1. Mike Peterson Tackles (7 Solo) / Total Team Plays (164) = 4.3% of Team Tackles
or
2. Mike Peterson Tackles (7 Solo) / Playing Time (68 Snaps) = Tackles on 10.3% on Plays
We could get a decent idea, but it would be really hard dealing with Assisted Tackles, Special Teams play, etc.
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Either one or both lol
I know it’s complicated. I was just throwing it out there for ya to think about lol. Great job on the snap count that’s more motivation than I have to not be getting paid for it lol
by FLA_Falcon on Oct 1, 2010 8:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Another possibility
That I just thought of…
A little more broad but easier to calculate? Just an involvement rate, for example: tackles, assists, sacks, hurries, deflections, and interceptions added together then divided into the snaps that each player played?
by FLA_Falcon on Oct 1, 2010 8:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah something like that might be better
Everything you listed (except hurries) is right there in the play-by-play. It shouldn’t be too hard to calculate an “involvement rate” once I had the snap totals put together.
The first scenario I listed is goofed up anyway – I realized the “Total Team Plays” includes incomplete passes, etc… so the Percentage of Team Tackles would be way higher. Football Outsiders puts together numbers like that (and ranks everybody by position), but they don’t come out until after the season is over.
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How lucky are we?
In a few weeks we’ve gone from near panic over the future of our franchise, coaches, and key players, to bathing in unbridled hope and confidence which radiated from the Superdome last Sunday.
This should tell us one thing: We are damn lucky/fortunate/blessed. Or however you want to put it. Just think of where we are as a franchise I’d argue as compared to the majority of other teams.
From the top down we have:
1. An owner who is committed to building a quality team that the Atlanta community and fanbase can be proud of off and on the team.
2. A GM who clearly has a vision of building through the draft and only spending big in Free Agency or through trades to acquire critical talent that has far more upside than risk. Also he’s batting damn good in the last three drafts.
3. A head coach who has control over his locker room and has managed to put together a remarkably talented and balanced team in relatively short time. Make no mistake, the three men above have managed to take a team from the garbage heap to a playoff caliber team in only a few seasons (some teams have spent decades trying and failing to do that).
4. A roster of talented players who manage to mostly avoid the policy blotter and have an admiral record of community service in the Atlanta area. The team is stocked with stud players at nearly every position and is lead by several high character veterans.
5. All together we haven’t has a losing season with this group of individuals together and it looks likely that we have a shot to not only make it back to the playoffs but compete for the divisional title against the current SuperBowl champions.
Now think of how many fan-bases would trade places with us in a heartbeat. No coaching carousel, no owner trying to buy a title instead of taking the longer and more successful path, no gm who is unable to scout talent and over spends on big names with bad attitudes, no desperate search for a franchise QB, WR, or RB lasting year after year and draft after draft, and no players who belong in a prison uniform rather than a Falcon jersey.
Still, we’re not perfect. We’ll have games slip through our fingers, players go through painful slumps, bad calls and poor personnel decisions by the coaches, draft busts, and heart breaking injuries at the absolute worst times.
But every team goes through those and the really good teams (which I think we are) overcome them. We’ll catch some bad breaks, but damn guys we have a lot of reasons to be proud and optimistic about where we are and where we could go. We have a shot. A real shot at doing something special. What more could we ask for?
by Leon07 on Oct 1, 2010 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I'm sorry
But this Snap-Count stuff is pure gold. Jesus isn’t the Falcoholic better than ESPN?
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For someone who grew up w/ a quarter page of summary and a 2 inch box score every Sunday this stuff is just fantastic! I am quite concerned w/Jerry. As a USC honk I died a little when we passed up on Clay Matthews, but ok we needed DT help. I really do hope we are bringing him around slowly cuz the only time I have heard his name called is in the starting line ups and on his penalty last week.
Clay Matthews is awesome but
I’m not sure he would be doing as well in our 4-3 as he is in GB’s 3-4….. they use him a lot as a pass rusher and our LBs don’t do that nearly as often.
I haven’t really seen him too much, how is he in regards to stopping the run? How is he in coverage?
by ErrantFalcon on Oct 1, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The dude eats QBs for breakfast.
It’s just what he does. It’s like Troy P it doesn’t matter what you tell him to do he is gonna just make a play all on his own. If we had put Clay Mathews in at DT he would still eat QBs. No use crying over spilled beer. Let’s just hope Jerry gets on the field sometime. I’m just glad we are deep at that position. BTW I’m not saying we should have drafted Clay to fill our need at DT, I’m just saying he would have been the better choice no matter what defense he’s in.
Rule #1: Double tap.
by Ball Hawk on Oct 1, 2010 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Completely agree
His coverage skills are decent. He’s very solid against the run, unbelievable motor, will strip the ball too. Loved when he took down Vick on that 4th & 1 for a loss. Was a walk on at SC and played himself into a scholarship so he’s got that extra something. But as Hawk said, what’s done is done. Let’s hope Jerry turns into a heavy cruiser to go alongside our battleship.
Not choosing CMatthews killed me a little, too.
Especially since his namesake spent his last season wearing #57 for the Birds. He’s definately a 3-4 OLB and might not fit Smitty’s 4-3 as well. Ball Hawk’s probably right. If you look at his dad and uncle, he’s just going to make plays.
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Trey Lewis was inactive
Sid got no snaps.
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I thought Trey was playing well
Being that he’s the only DT we have that’s actually huge I’m pretty surprised. Don’t know what’s up w/El Sid. Did he even get any garbage time against the Cards? If I recall orange3b’s #’s, not really.
Yeah I thought Lewis played pretty well in Wk1, too
Garbage time (according to Coach Smith) was the last 2 possessions, after they put in Max Hall. Problem is, that was only 3 plays, because Dominique Franks got the INT on play #2, and Ryan kneeled 4x to kill almost all of the clock.
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This is a great job....
Is there a site that has this information about other teams as well?
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I'm not sure
You’d have to have someone doing the snap counts, and not every site is fortunate enough to have orang3b.
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