Falcons And Chargers Recap: Getting Defensive About The Defense
That was honestly one of the better pre-season games I've ever seen, for what that's worth.
To say that those of you who turned up at the open thread last night were concerned about the defense would be understating it, in the same sense that calling Chris Redman's performance "masterful" would be.
As usual, the offense looked pretty good against the Chargers. With each passing pre-season game, my respect for the strength of the 11 on that side of the ball grows, and even though it's just pre-season action, I can't really imagine a good reason to criticize Mike Mularkey's charges. The O alone is going to be enough to win us a few games this season. What the D does in conjunction with that will, in the end, determine whether we win the rest of them.
One way or the other, though, this was a very fun game to watch, though I only caught half of it. Rarely do you see a pitched battle like this in a pre-season game, and it speaks well to both teams. Because I'm a homer and because they won, I'm going to say the Falcons looked even better than the Chargers, but your mileage may vary.
Follow me into the jump, where we'll break this week's action down.
HIGHLIGHTS
- Wow, Chris Redman. I don't think I need to say anything else, but as I'm unusually verbose, I will anyways. Redman proved again why he's one of the best backups in the league, running and gunning the Falcons to victory with the backup offense helping him out. I would hope he never sees the field because of what that would mean for Matt Ryan, but I have the utmost confidence in our backup. Game ball, right there. Matt Ryan was also good, but that's not something I needed to tell you.
- The receivers. Roddy White was his generally efficient self, but it was some guys lower on the depth chart that really proved their mettle today. Marty Booker was targeted frequently and wound up with six catches, Brian Finneran proved his reliability very reliably, and Eric Weems sewed up a roster spot by out-running the defensive back covering him and coming up with the game winning touchdown. There's a lot more to this group than originally suspected, and we could have a pretty complete set of quality receivers this season.
- While Michael Turner was awfully solid as usual, the back who caught my eye Saturday night was Jason Snelling. His final numbers don't tell the whole story here, as he proved his brick hands on an incomplete pass but otherwise looked fast, explosive and powerful. I'm rooting hard for Thomas Brown to make the roster somehow, but Snelling's done absolutely nothing to relinquish his death grip on the #3 spot.
- Michael Koenen continues to impress, booming four punts and landing one inside the 20. The kid's always had the leg and had the results last year, and field position is so critical to this team that he can't help but be a weapon.
- For the Falcons, defense is spelled C-U-R-T-I-S-L-O-F-T-O-N. The potent middle linebacker was everywhere, nearly picked a pass late in the game and hit like a train made of concrete. It's fair to say he's already delivering on potential, and I can't wait to see what he does in 2009.
- Brent Grimes had a sack, which sort of makes up for the secondary's performance. Sort of.
- Credit the coaching staff yet again. The playcalling on offense was spectacular in the second half, and you get the sense that Mike Mularkey will rely less on gimmicky plays this season. That can only be a good thing.
LOWLIGHTS
- Just one very long lowlight today, I think. While I like to believe you can only learn so much from the pre-season, the defense was consistently not very good on Saturday. The secondary in particular got picked to pieces by the Chargers, who are an excellent offensive team with tall receivers that still should not make our guys look like they belong on a Pop Warner team. I want very much to believe in Chris Houston and Brent Grimes, both of whom are athletic corners who clearly have a ton of physical talent. The results are clearly there in practice. They're just not there on the field, against living, breathing teams, and I think I'm starting to want a closer look at Chevis Jackson and Chris Owens. Are they the answer? Who knows, I say. I just think everyone should be getting a chance to get burnt to toast. The safeties also need to step up their game a bit and help out, and here I am thinking particularly of Thomas DeCoud.
A lot of people are inclined to defend the secondary for this team, and I am certainly one of them. The front seven also looked overmatched at times tonight, and they have to get their share of the blame. I would just hate for us to get into the season and find out our corners are going to be overmatched on a regular basis. Hopefully this will iron itself out in time for the final pre-season game. - Okay, one more. Very unhappy to see Jerious Norwood leave and not return. I hope everything's okay, as we're really going to need him this year.
THE WRAPUP
Game MVP: Gotta be Chris Redman. The dude was quite simply awesome against San Diego.
Game Theme Song: Anything by Redman, just for the heck of it.
One Thing To Take Away: Despite a host of defensive miscues, the Falcons still have what it takes to come back and win a close one. I think that's something we can all feel warm and fuzzy about.
Next Week: We get the improving Baltimore Ravens, who are ably covered by Baltimore Beatdown. Be sure to check them out.
Final Word: Hooray!
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Bend don't Break
Plus, does anyone think John Abraham is going at regular season speed?
It’s just difficult to gauge. Keep in mind I didn’t see the game, so this could all be moot. Our defense probably didn’t take the great leap forward like our offense did last year, but a secondary’s best friend is a pass rush, and our best pass rusher is probably cradling his groin more than a soccor player on a penalty kick.
In addition, part of that pressure comes from scheme and gameplanning in our defense, both of which are noticeably absent in preseason. I’m not making excuses but I’m not fully wlling to join the lament until Miami.
That said, I’d also point out that in the regular season hopefully a successful offense can help our defense out by keeping rhythm and tempo low for the opposing team (plus maybe even forcing some one-dimensional-ness).
I’ll be right there with my finger on the panic button, but I’m not pressing it yet, for all those reason PLUS the fact that Rivers was statistically one of the best QBs last season and the chargers are known for a potent offense.
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by iRonin on Aug 30, 2009 8:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Rivers is a very good QB
But Tomlinson and Gates both sat the game out and they were 10 of 11 on 3rd downs at one point with like 6 or so conversion of about 3rd and 12 to 3rd and 18. Our D really looks like it has taken 4 steps back from last year
by FLA_Falcon on Aug 30, 2009 8:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha
hey dave. i had to leave at halftime and you pop in right after. sorry i missed ya but read all the threads i missed after i left. Game song for first half shoulda been for the defense …….holding out for a hero…….i think thats the name of the 1980’s song anyways.
by Funballad on Aug 30, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Game Notes from ESPN
“Falcons running back Jerious Norwood hurt his left knee in the first half and did not return. … Rookie cornerback Chris Owens left with a knee injury late in the first half. … Another Atlanta rookie, safety William Moore, hurt his hamstring after missing the first two preseason games with a knee injury”
by FLA_Falcon on Aug 30, 2009 9:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Owens was back in the game after the "injury"
and ran their 3rd string running back down the field after he was 20 yards ahead of him. I’m not concerned about him.
Haven’t heard anything good about Norwood.
Never saw Moore take the field (unless it was on special teams and I missed it).
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our defense is lacking discipline, taking poor angles...
These are mistake that CAN be corrected through coaching, and I hope BVG gets on the it. The talent level is a good bit better than last year. It looks like we’re probably still a year away from a Super Bowl run because of our youth and lack of depth in the DBs. That said, most of the teams we’ll face this year don’t have a set of WRs that are all 6’3+. I think this was a lack of game planning. I would rather had seen the bigger guys like Jackson and Owens match up on their WRs tonight, Houston and Grimes are better suited to match up with guys like Steve Smith and M Colston. I think we going to keep 4 RBs. How can you choose between Snelling and Brown? When you run the ball as much as we do, it can’t hurt to have a good stable of RBs…
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by NaGaNole on Aug 30, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why not?
Pacman Jones has his baggage, but so did Randy Moss & things worked out for him in NE…
C. McCallister is also available, so….why not?
by btcvsolo on Aug 30, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
the defense wasn’t completely abismal.
Our run defense has definitely improved significantly… what we can do about our pass defense on the other hand, I’m not too sure at this point.
Someone had stated during the open thread, “why aren’t the Chargers running the ball very much?” and all I could really note was that, “why run the ball when we are making throwing it so easy”. We were pretty efficient stopping the run (with the acception of a failed flail tackle by Coleman after an excellent read). In fact… I think our few 3rd down stops came from their attempts to “surprise” the defense with the run.
When you look at the stats, you should note that the 1st string defense played well into the 4th quarter even after the Chargers second team offense was on the field before the half.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
le sigh
i just don’t think our secondary has what it takes. everyone defends them here because we read their stories and follow them closely, but against a division of elite recievers i just sense we are in big trouble. i don’t think we have one cornerback that should be a starter, and decoud is suspect.
maybe they’ll end up panning out and our rookies will develop, and without question the chargers looked like a great team last night, but god have mercy on our d.
by dirtyburs on Aug 30, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just don't have any size in the secondary
Chris Houston: 5’11
Brent Grimes: 5’10 (listed…probably 5’9 in reality)
Chris Owens: 5’9
Chevis Jackson: 5’11
Von Hutchins: 5’10.
Erick Coleman: 5’10
Thomas Decoup: 6’0
William Moore: 6’0
I’d be happier if we had just one guy with a bit more reach, especially since there’s not much experience back there. Bigger receivers, especially guys who know how to use their size, will find ways to take advantage all year long-like Vincent Jackson pushing off and getting away with it repeatedly.
Even though I’m concerned about that, it’s not as big an issue if they hadn’t overpursued and gotten burned by the screen plays repeatedly. I only watched bits and pieces after halftime, but I saw that same screen run at least 4 times just in the first half, and every single one of them was a huge gain. Michael Bennett shouldn’t be burning the first team defense for 48 yards.
by Bronn on Aug 30, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It looked like Houston actually
had good position on one of those 3rd and longs, the reciever was just too tall. HGH anyone?
by zooker on Aug 30, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Falcons have a 'little' tradition at DB
For some reason, historically we always seem to have a lot of undersized DBs.
In 1977 (the team that set the defensive scoring record of 129 pts/14 gms) we started Lawrence (5-10), Byas (5-9), Brown (6-1) and Easterling (6-0).
1980 (the 12-4 team) started Lawrence, Johnson (5-10), Glazebrook (6-1) and Pridemore (5-10).
1998 (SB team) started Buchanan (5-9), Bradford (5-10), White (5-10) and Robinson (6-1).
Smitty will probably get more out of our current DB corps than anyone has reason to expect, but no amount of skill totally compensates for a lack of size. The best we can do in our situation is try to get a pass rush and minimize exposure of that flaw.
If the Falcons can’t do that, this could be a long year unless we can outscore everybody (not to say that can’t happen).
by tom slick on Aug 30, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
This is the exact point I was going to make.. It comes down to their height, I don’t care how quick or athletic the secondary is, if you’re under 6’0" and you’re guarding a 6’5" receiver, it’s a no brainer – they’re just gonna throw it up.
by Stu! on Aug 30, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bronn, in reality Brent Grimes is 5’ 10"
by Debilah on Aug 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saw it in the Dome
From Air Tran’s 200 level “Business Class Upgrade” seats (more on that in a later post) and let me tell you, Chris Redman had the crowd electrified on that last drive. It was magic and I’m very impressed with Weems’ redzone work.
Also impressive is our run defense. Teams will have to go to the air if they want to get past our D. Luckily for our opponents, our secondary is the weakest link in the chain.
I tell you, when the Chargers’ second and third string offense is winning the battle on third and twenty four, something has got to change. All the Chargers had to do last night to move the ball was throw a screen, a shuttle, or a twenty yarder.
Seeing our secondary in such a state really, really woke me up. I’m looking at our schedule now and going “uh oh” a whole lot more. Lest we forget, our 1st string secondary, which played off their covers sometimes five yards or more, has to face the likes of Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Tony Romo, Drew Brees, Donovan McNabb, etc.
We can score, there’s no doubt about it. But we will not win nine-plus games with a secondary more leaky than a bullet-riddled scooner.
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by tlozwarlock on Aug 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so that was you on the on the big screen
i was pretty drunk but i looked up and was like thats warlock on the video
by gritzblitz on Aug 30, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that we just got burnt on third downs...
but, iirc, SD averaged more than 13yds needed to convert all of those third downs. So this wasn’t simply a matter of letting a coupld of short third downs get converted, but were obvious pass situations and we still couldn’t cover.
And I don’t think I’ve ever seen a D-line get suckered by the screen so often. Here’s an idea, if three seconds into your pass rush you find yourself free and hanging with your buddies on the D-line in the backfield, maybe you should stop rushing and follow the QB’s eyes and defend that screen. The OL doesn’t release multiple defenders for no reason.
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by Jesse28 on Aug 31, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are definitely some concerns
tackling is a fundamental and we missed several opportunities to stop SD drives with poor tackling. during the series when SD converted on three 3rd and longs, we blitzed every time and got burned. the blitzes didn’t really create any pressure which scares me. this left our corners hanging out to dry and the screen passes creating huge gains. maybe the coaches are just testing this more aggressive defensive approach and will dial it back when the season starts.
i’m still of the opinion that this defense will eventually be better than last years defense. it’s just a matter of how long will it take for them to start clicking.
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by armchair quarterback on Aug 30, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
orang3b posted in his Position-analysis Linebackers thread
about how much we blitzed last season.
We blitz a lot… I hadn’t realized just how much before reading that.
That is our defense… I think what you saw is what we are going to get – though I agree, some adjustments need to be made.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's the exact quote from his article
2) The Linebackers will probably still be below average in Pass Coverage. Not awful like last year, mind you, but below average (the team was 28th in DVOA vs. Tight Ends and 29th vs. Running Backs). Lofton should be fine, and Peterson will be better than Brooking, but still not great. That leaves Nicholas – I don’t know what to expect from him, but he will almost certainly be worse than Boley in his first year starting.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
whoops...
posted the wrong quote (Dave, could you delete that for me?)
here’s what I meant to post
1) The Linebackers only had 2.0 Sacks last season, good for #29 in the NFL as a percentage of total Sacks (and D-Backs had zero), even though VanGorder sent 6+ Rushers 8.6% of the time (#14 in the league) and 7+ Rushers 3.0% of the time (#5 in the league). Either VanGorder is going to have to trust the Front Four to put pressure on the QB, or these new Linebackers (and D-Backs) that blitz are going to have to actually get to the QB so the team isn’t exposed to the big play.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Orang3b hit it on the head with the LB fanpost. I think BVG tried to use the front four to get pressure, and it didn't work.
We got burned on screens because we were sending 6 and 7 when we were in 3 and long. Our front 4 has NOT gotten better rushing the passer, although much better against the rush. I’m still confused why when were in 3 and 15+, we’re blitzing instead of using a prevent type defense. Hopefully we were just evaluating different ways to get pressure, and not calling the same plays we plan to in the regular season…
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by NaGaNole on Aug 30, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That’s the problem… Third and longs I’d usually prefer a “safe” approach, rushing just 4 (or maybe even 3) with everybody else in coverage – give up the short completion, who cares? VanGorder has been trying to force the issue (and that can work if it makes the QB get rid of the ball early, with a sure tackle on the completion) with big blitzes (6 or even 7 rushers) the last 2 pre-season games, getting burnt in two ways:
1) the screen pass – get the ball to the RB just behind the blitzers, with a couple blockers in front, and only a few defenders left to beat.
2) the mid-range pass – the CB’s have to respect the deep ball, since they’re one-on-one with their WR, giving up just enough cushion for the WR to get separation in the 12-15 yard range.
You know why we’re getting killed on both of these? BECAUSE THE BLITZ IS NOT GETTING TO THE QUARTERBACK!! I was about to have an aneurysm watching all those big blitzes on third and long…
Bottom line is this: I’d rather not get pressure with 4 rushers – than not get pressure with 7…
by orang3b on Aug 31, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Particularly given the fact that Lofton is quite good in coverage
And Peterson and Nicholas can’t be all that terrible.
Let’s face it, none of those guys are pass-rushing superstars by any stretch of the imagination, and they shouldn’t have to be. Sending the house is occasionally a very good option, but let’s not forget that it really leaves those corners and safeties in a tight spot when it doesn’t work…
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by Dave the Falconer on Aug 31, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
If they think the secondary may be a weakness, they should not be leaving them man-to-man so often…
by orang3b on Aug 31, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Having a guy back there who has a shot to break up the pass or break up sight lines is huge. If you’re trying to teach someone to swim, it’s rarely a good idea to toss them in the water without life preservers.
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by Dave the Falconer on Aug 31, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true
Just about everyone I knew growing up and today learned to swim by being thrown into the deep end of the pool/pond/river/lake/etc. I’m teaching my kids how to swim the same way (minus the thrown part unless they ask for it which they do at times) and they are five and two. The younger of the two is a fast learner and is better about going under than his older brother.
But, this is football and leaving a man out to dry rarely pays off, especially considering that our current front seven isn’t the greatest in the pass rush. Maybe we should take donations for extra life preservers?
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by Jesse28 on Aug 31, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jackson and owens
has anyone heard why one of them has not been given a chance to start, and what makes this staff so set on houston and grimes, neither are the answer.
by iloveroddywhite on Aug 30, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dunno
I don’t think Jackson is the answer either though. And I don’t even remember Hutchins seeing the field. But then the CBS announcers weren’t really paying attention to the game. You really had to concentrate to see who was in there
by zooker on Aug 30, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we have an answer at the moment
other than the few plays our CBs got burnt, the height thing is proving to be an issue – it’s like game planning has proven, throw the ball high and only the receivers are going to be able to get to it against our secondary. Rivers seemed to have no problem demonstrating this point.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither will
Brees, Brady, Eli, McNabb, Cutler or Romo. Hell, I’m not big on Delhomme but he’s better than Volek who ripped us apart.
by zooker on Aug 30, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What MIA means is
SD’s WRs are: 6-5, 5-11, 6-5, 6-2, 6-1, and 6-5. (plus the 5-11 guy, Chambers, is known as a high-leaper). I can’t think of another team that has that many big receivers. Jax had a lot of big guys last year, but they all sucked. Other good passing teams may “rip us apart” too, but not because they can just chuck it up high and have their guy come down with it (like Vincent Jackson and others were doing the other night)…
by orang3b on Aug 31, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ain't started 'til it's started.
Take deep breaths. Repeat these three little words over and over: pre sea son.
Fear not. This team will do very well indeed.
by striped shirt on Aug 30, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i took deep breaths
OK , it was Phillip Rivers (who is at his peak), picking us apart .
At least we didn’t get carved up .
Yes , the secondary is suspect , but I saw effort , just alot of youth out there ,….(short youth) , its hard for a 5’ 10’’ guy to mug a 6’ 5’’ guy ,…. but keep workin it son.
by Derrydeez on Aug 30, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not just Rivers last night
it was also Volek (7/9 doe 102 yards) and Whitehurst (4/8 for 43 yards) – who definitely aren’t the kind of quality QBs our secondary is going to be facing this year.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a plus note
our rivals over at Catscratch Reader (SBN Panthers blog) are complaing about a similar situation in their post game review of their preseason game from last night against the Ravens
Pass Defense (Secondary) – We outright sucked in this area. Joe Flacco picked us apart, going 23 of 28 for 247 yards and 1 TD. Many of them were dink-and-dunk passes to the TE and RBs. Our LBs played them very poorly, and I recall one play where Landon Johnson very specifically fell right on his butt trying to come up and make a tackle, decleating himself and totally whiffing on an opportunity to make the tackle. Instead, the RB caught the ball, sidestepped, and went straight up the field for extra yards. Other big plays resulted from our LBs getting swept up in the wash, particularly on screen plays or passes into the flat. And, of course, the TD play to the Raven’s TE occured because he simply beat our LB and made a tough catch.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Falcons and Panthers have never had back to back winning seasons..
Is this what were seeing develop already?
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by NaGaNole on Aug 30, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as I said after the rams game....
our secondary is very bad. If it wasn’t for Boller playing last week instead of Bulger we probably would have lost that game. If our secondary AND pass rush doesn’t improve dramatically over the next 2 weeks before we play Miami, we will get our butts kicked everytime we play a good passing team with a good QB. I mean it was just so bad that I literally started laughing when the chargers were converting 3rd and forever’s because I knew they were going to make a first down no matter what the yardage needed was! lol
Without some dramatic improvement with the secondary AND pass rush we won’t win more than 7 or 8 games.
On a good note though, our rush defense was still very good, and seems to be the best weapon our defense has to offer to stop opponents.
And of course, our offense was once again a very very good unit and looked pretty good against a good defense in San Diego.
So, we are just fine on offense but we will definitely need to sign a couple of defensive players to help out our secondary, whether thats a DB or a DE, or both , who knows but with the guys we have right now, I am extremely worried that we will be in a shootout EVERY week, and that can’t be good in the long run for the health of our guys and their mental state on defense thinking that you can’t stop any teams passing attack. I honestly think that what we really need is a better pass rush, cuz with a better pass rush the QB’s won’t have 4-7 seconds to PICK out a receiver, change his mind twice, bake some cookies, and then throw a 24 yard completion!!! LMAO
GOD, PLEASE GIVE US A BETTER PASS RUSH. THANK YOU!
LETS GO FALCONS!!!
L-DAWG
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 30, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
amen
was at the game last night and agree with everything you said ATLsince1972. watching our secondary perform last night was like being in a nightmare that just kept getting worse. they literally looked like they’d never been on a football field and it was humiliating to witness. if memory serves me correctly, in one series, they failed to stop a 3rd and 13, a 3rd and 17, a 3rd and 18, and a 3rd and 24 (the last of which ended up in a SD touchdown). just when you thought they couldn’t embarrass themselves anymore, they somehow found a way to do it. i’ve gotta think even the Chargers were stunned at how easy it was.
my hope is that our above average coaching staff has theories on why this was so terrible and is already working on solutions to fix it…. in other words, i hope this isn’t just a personnel problem, because if it is, this is going to be one long, horrible season. and the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator and a head coach who specializes in defense gives me some hop. i just didn’t think a preseason game could make me question whether i should have bought season tickets, but that’s pretty much where i was at last night when halftime rolled around.
also a little discouraging to me was our offense… everyone said they looked great, but i didn’t think so at all. Ryan made some terrible passes and we were settling for field goals way too often. i don’t really have long term concerns about them, but if our D is going to be as bad as they played last night, the offense can’t be settling for red zone field goals very often.
the one silver lining from last night was that the defense against the run looked fantastic. this doesn’t surprise me since Coach Smith’s philosophy is to build the defense around DTs, which he clearly has done and it seems to be working. against teams who have run heavy offenses, our defense should be very effective. the line now needs to work on getting pressure in passing situations, because as much as the secondary is getting blamed for the disaster last night, the line was giving the QB enough time to read a book back there.
by cheshire falcon on Aug 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait.
the fact that we have a very good defensive coordinator
VanGorder hasn’t proven anything to me. It’s not hard to have a good defense when you have twice as much talent as half the teams you face (at uga). Mike Smith’s imput on the defensive scheme I trust – he’s proven himself in the NFL. VanGorder, I’m not sure about yet.
But I do agree that the blame for “the disaster” should be at least as much on the D-Line (pass rush) as the secondary…
by orang3b on Aug 31, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Busy two weeks
Mark Bradley has a quote from TD on his ajc.com blog that essentially confirms what we all already suspected. And that is that they are about to bring in some veteran help for the secondary, whether it be via the free agent pool or a trade.
And seeing how Foxworth panned out so well last year as a late pick up, I have to admit that I feel better already. Let’s go Falcs!
by gametheory7 on Aug 30, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just read that article...
that’s very encouraging news. what are the options out there right now for the secondary? anyone know?
also, i’d like to get people’s thoughts on whether upgrades in the secondary solve the entire problem… obviously the CBs/Safeties are a big part of it, but how much of it has to be addressed at the line and in the linebacking corps? i mean if a QB has 8 seconds to throw every single time, all-pro CB’s are going to have a tough time handling the passes.
like i said above, the encouraging thing here is that you’ve got a brilliant GM and a defensive minded coach working this problem. so given the situation, the right people are at the helm.
by cheshire falcon on Aug 30, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its a PROCESS!!!
Ok, so someone had to say it. I understand we have a young secondary, so I don’t except us to blow the other teams out of the water with our remarkable coverage. We were very surprised to see what our Rookie QB did for us last year. So I except to have the same exceptions as last year and just hope this young defense can learn something. At least we can see clear as day what the team needs to do. Now they just need time to fix it and learn from it. I have a lot of faith in MS and TD and I think they will make the right personnel choices and right coaching choices. But yeah, I can agree with everyone, this is going to be a long season.
And to be honest, I was hoping we would have lost. Remember what happens to us if we have a good record in the preseason, the regular season doesn’t look as well.
LET’S GO FALCONS!!!
by Chaos7 on Aug 30, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I wouldn’t be at all averse to adding one corner if he was a clear improvement. I think once you move everyone one spot down the depth chart, it suddenly becomes a very deep, very interesting secondary. It still might if left alone, but I can see why the performance thus far this off-season is making people skittish.
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by Dave the Falconer on Aug 30, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Jefferson cut…. somewhat surprised since we still have 20+ players to cut.
by Jon Cushman on Aug 30, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Odd one, there
They must REALLY like Vance Walker. Fortunately, so do I.
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by Dave the Falconer on Aug 30, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Walker was a steal....
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by NaGaNole on Aug 30, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW Dave...
Not to hijack this thread, but Mental and I had good drafts tonight over in the CAR blogs ff league. We should kick their tales, kinda like how it’ll be on the field when ATL plays CAR in week 2….
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by NaGaNole on Aug 30, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
VERY satisfied with my draft over there
they were making some crazy off the wall picks (A KICKER in the 7th round… really?)
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised for a Nag vs. MIA superbowl in the catscratch league (wouldn’t that be legendary, lol)
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 30, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cheshire...
seems we both are in agreement that our defense needs some “veteran blood” added to it before the start of the season. I firmly beleive that it’s our pass rush that is the problem on defense. Like you said, not even pro bowl corners can defend receivers for 6-8 seconds if we keep giving opposing QB’s that much time to throw the ball!! As I said before, and you concurred, our rush defense is solid and by far our best asset on defense because of our DT’s and MS’s defensive philosophy. BUT, it won’t matter how good our rush defense is if we can’t sack the QB or at least limit the time they have to read their progressions, cuz then teams will just air it out on us. ( I was glad to see MS give the defense hell on the sideline after that one touchdown scored on a 3rd and 24!!) This could also be a very big problem during the season trying to hold onto leads, cuz usually when a team is behind they start throwing the ball A LOT, which of course would be bad news for our defense!!! I could see us losing 2-3 games on the last possession of the game if our defense doesn’t improve it’s pass rush. We don’t need a huge improvement, just a little more pressure and a 1-2 more sacks a game should do it. But I trust our management team to make the right move/s to improve our defense enough to at least keep the better teams to 4 TD’s or less(NE, NO, Philly, Dallas, etc..) and the lesser teams to 2 TD’s or less(Tampa, Buffalo, SF, etc..). As long as our defense can at least maintain that then we can still make a good run at the SB. Let’s just hope we lead the league in turnover ratio!!! 35 turnovers we gain and 10 turnovers we lose – that would be AWESOME!!!
We’ll see how the coaches adjust before the last preseason game. I think the 1st string offense should play one series, but the 1st string defense should play the whole damn game!!
LETS GO FALCONS
L-DAWG
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 31, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well this is all good and well
but we are in trouble at corner. Chris Houston stinks out loud. The guy was out of position all night long. I was hoping maybe he just had a bad game but I am thinking this is as good as he gets. We will have to score 30+ points a game to win with this defense.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 31, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm definitely more optimistic
About the secondary than that. Grimes in particulary looked much better to me. Yes, he got beat on that Malcolm Floyd TD, but I thought he was pretty solid.
Houston gave up several completions, but there was only one that I thought was particularly bad. 12:40 left in 2Q, 3rd and 18, Vincent Jackson releases straight upfield. Houston looks back at the QB and opens his hips (expecting an in-route?), but Jackson keeps running straight. Houston can’t catch back up, 32 yard catch for a 1st down. It reminded me too much of last year’s Chicago game, when he bit on something he thought he saw that was never there.
But most of the damage that I saw was when the defense was in a blitz, with VanGorder leaving the CB’s out on an island. What stinks out loud is the pass rush…
by orang3b on Aug 31, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This begs the question
If Chauncey Davis/Jamaal Anderson aren’t getting it done on the outside, how long will it take for us to see El-Sid?
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by Dave the Falconer on Aug 31, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume
He’d be rotated in about like Biermann last year… slowly, but getting more reps if he’s performing (and others are not).
by orang3b on Aug 31, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grimes is ok
Houston is really not that good. It wasnt just a couple of plays either. I sit on the side of the field that he was covering most of the night so I got to see it up close. H was way out of position on most of the passes sent his way. that he was able to even get to the reciever to stop him at all was amazing to me a couple of times. This guys scares the hell out of me and not in a good way.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Aug 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the biggest issue with Houston is
He was supposed to be a #1 or #2 corner for this team, with no questions asked. It’s disappointing that he doesn’t have a stranglehold on the job, but if it’s a question of being out of position, that SHOULD be something that’s easily fixed.
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by Dave the Falconer on Aug 31, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Need for Norwood
Have you guys been looking at Snelling and V. Haynes running the ball this preseason? Don’t get me wrong I too like Norwood’s speed and his potential to go all the on any given play. But, it also
appears to me that his own speed kills some of the plays because he doesn’t allow the play to
develop before he plunges in head first.
Snelling and Haynes also seems to have that body type to run inside when you need that yard
or two.
I guess my point is, is that we’d be okay with or without him except for the speed part.
And some one please tell Norwood to tighten up that chin strap, that might save him from having his head taken off.
by deskjock on Aug 31, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we'll have to be okay without Norwood
my money says he doesn’t resign after this season (he’s gonna wanna take a shot at a starting job and go FA) and I think we should use him for all he is worth this season. He is better for screen passes and shovel passes (after he is past the first line of defense) and should be used accordingly. I like him as our return man and for the most part he seems to be a decent receiving back with exceptional speed.
As far as running between the tackles. Not so much.
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by MentallyMIA on Aug 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
about Norwood...
I am consistently dissappointed by him almost everytime he runs the ball. If you pay attention and watch him, HE HARDLY EVER CAN BREAK A TACKLE, the first guy to him usually brings him down. His upper body strength must not be that good because he can’t absorb any blows, if a guy hits him HE goes backwards. it’s pathetic given his amazing speed cuz if he could break more tackles he would be a major weapon on screen and checkdown passes. But generally he goes down at first contact- sad!!
Back on the defense- everyone needs to realize that our corner backs were out of position a lot because they had been chasing their receiver for 7-10 seconds!! NOBODY and I mean NOBODY in the NFL can cover an NFL receiver for more than 5 seconds tops!!! After that , theres going to be a breakdown in technique one way or another, and the receiver is going to get enough spacing to be practically wide open!! That is why IT IS OUR PASS RUSH AND BLITZ PACKAGES THAT ARE THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH OUR DEFENSE THAT NEEDS FIXED ASAP!! Now I am not saying that our CB’s are really good afterall, they need to improve as well- stop looking into the backfield, get into their backpeddle faster, defend the receivers hands more at the jump for the ball, etc…
Anyways thats my rant guys, tell me your thoughts on what I have said.
Thanx,
LETS GO FALCONS
L-DAWG
by ATLsince1972 on Aug 31, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Norwood
Is a totally different runner than Turner… Norwood’s listed at 202 lbs, of course he’d go backwards when getting hit by a 250 lb Linebacker. And he IS a major weapon on screen passes because of his speed and elusiveness. Many times he simply makes the first defender completely miss…
I guess he’s not hurt too bad, right? Here’s the quote I saw this morning:
Smith said the team would be very cautious with Norwood, as his head "got jarred and he also had a situation with his leg."
Those leg situations can be pretty tricky sometimes, though…
by orang3b on Sep 1, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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