Falcons And Rams Recap: The Importance Of Depth
If our starting offense made moving down the field look effortless, a few timely plays and some struggles showed why those players lower on the depth chart will be critical to the Falcons' success this season.
In the first quarter, when Matt Ryan was completing seemingly everything to seemingly everyone and Michael Turner continued to pretend he's a human being and not a sentient tank, the Falcons looked like juggernauts. In the third quarter, when D.J. Shockley was having trouble connecting with his passes and the defense struggled to stop a quarterback who is likely slated for the practice squad, the team looked pretty average.
It raises the critical question of whether the Falcons have the depth they'll need to get through a full season intact. There's no doubt that our starters on both sides of the ball have looked pretty good through the off-season and the first half of pre-season, but teams who can spell those kinds of starters with capable, adaptable backups are the ones who make deep runs into the playoffs every year. I'm not prepared to say that we're woefully thin or anything, but with so many guys riding high on the depth chart who are known quantities, you can bet I'll be keeping a very close eye on the guys behind them who show a lot.
Join me after the jump as we examine the Rams game and give recognition where recognition is due.
HIGHLIGHTS
- Matt Ryan and Michael Turner make it look absurdly easy out there. Ryan completed 7 of his 8 passes and caught Tony Gonzalez on a beautiful touchdown strike, something I hope to see early and often in 2009. Meanwhile, Turner just about ran over everybody. Those pundits who think last season was a function of a good offensive line or a weak schedule for The Burner are going to be surprised when he runs through their televisions and shoulders them through their living room walls, I'd wager. I couldn't be less concerned about how ready for the season the two of them are, and it was nice to see Jason Snelling motoring his way to 60+ yards on 12 carries as well. Factor in Jerious Norwood and possibly Thomas Brown and you've got three or four very good reasons for the rest of the NFL to worry about the run.
- Speaking of Gonzo, he had three nice grabs in this one and showed why he's likely to be an enormous factor in the passing game. It's rare to see a tight end who has such a finely honed sixth sense about where the ball is, and we're mighty blessed to have him this season.
- Roddy White got it done as usual, too. No surprises here, as he looks to be in game shape and ready to go. A lot of receivers got in on the action tonight, but to no one's shock he looked like the best of the lot.
- Chris Owens' fumble recovery gave us a glimpse of the awareness he brings to the table. Owens will likely not get much higher on the depth chart in his rookie season than nickel and dime packages, but he's got enormous big play potential in the defensive backfield and is going to be pushing hard for playing time all year long. Still could use a little work on those cover skills, though.
- While we're talking rookie depth, how about that Lawrence Sidbury kid? El-Sid picked up the team's only two sacks and looked athletic and aggressive against the Rams. With pressure on the passer still topping my wish list for major changes in 2009, Sidbury has shown that he could be an extremely effective situational rusher from Week 1. Let's hope he gets a chance to show it in the regular season.
- Eric Brock isn't the world's finest cover safety, but his pick off of Rams' QB Keith Null was a nice one, and simply by playing two solid games of football he's become a frontrunner for a roster spot in my mind. The team could use anyone who might author a few big plays in the secondary this season.
- After whiffing on an extra point last week, Jason Elam returned to form by nailing both XPs and a pair of field goals this week. Ho-hum.
- Big credit for the coaching staff this week. In a game that has no lasting impact on the standings, it's good to see Mike Smith & Co. going for the jugular just to see if it works. For the most part it did, and the starters got a chance to really put up some big plays, so kudos. There's a fine line between being aggressive and being reckless, but if anybody can walk it this season, it's our own talented group of playcallers.
LOWLIGHTS
- Shock, buddy, you gotta help me out. I've been defending your inclusion on this roster and championing your ascension to the #2 spot for the better part of the last three years, and this was probably the worst game I've ever seen from you. Those two picks were bad, the fumble was atrocious and some of the throws out there were just plain errant. With John Parker Wilson turning in a workmanlike performance late in the game, we could be talking about your roster spot in a couple of weeks. Here's hoping things turn around.
- This isn't directed at a particular player, but the way Brock Berlin and to a lesser extent Keith Null were able to pass the ball on our backups is a huge indictment of the strength of our second-and-third stringers. Last week I fretted about the way Matthew Stafford was able to pick his way through our secondary, and it's sadder by several degrees when two guys fighting for the third string job on the St. Louis Rams can make you look mediocre. It's the pre-season, I know, but with our cornerbacking corps in flux and safeties and linebackers still finding their way in this defense, stuff is going to have to start clicking soon or I'm really going to be worried when we have to face off against a team like the New England Patriots. I'd expect that to be a focus at practice this week.
THE WRAPUP
Game MVP: We'll split this one between Matt Ryan and Michael Turner, who played the Rams like a cheap harpischord. Many guys worthy of being in the running for this, but I just can't ignore how utterly dominant both looked. With such high praise from The Falcoholic, congrats on your least meaningful award ever, guys!
Game Theme Song: "The Last Line of Defense" by Dilated Peoples. Just because.
One Thing To Take Away: With the likelihood of at least some injuries and the need to not have our starters log enormous minutes every game, the Falcons' backups will be a big piece of our success this year. Hopefully that's a positive thing.
Next Week: We'll be taking on the mighty (?) San Diego Chargers, who are ably represented by Bolts From The Blue. Give the site a visit, as I'll be popping by to answer the questions of curious (?) Chargers fans this week.
Final Word: Twenty-thirteen.
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JPW should get a few first team shots next week.
Test him against a first string defense and we’ll see if he’s really in this battle.
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Shockley looked like hell
though he didn’t get much help from his teammates. He looked nervous and tentative out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if Smitty’s plan was to give Shock a bunch of playing time this week, then Wilson next week. You probably want to get a good look at both prior to the last preseason game, when the starters usually play a half or more (don’t you?)
Agree that the pass defense appears to be hurting for depth, and badly. I’m not very confident of any of our projected starters at DB, for that matter. Other than Coleman, none of them have proven themselves as starters over a full season. Grimes’ play didn’t impress me much at all, he got burned a lot. I like the kid, but kind of wonder if he has the physical tools for the job in the long run.
i'm a huge shockley fan
but he looked terrible. it almost seems like he is regressing because i remember if he didn’t get hurt, they were thinking of starting him in place of harrington
Yeah, I don't think he's gonna make it.
I liked the kid, but the throws he’s making worked in college, but they simply are not working in the NFL…
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Elayne Boosler
agreed
he underthrows too much and i think he has trouble seeing over the o-lineman. his throwing delivery is way over the top just to be able to get it over the line
by ATL Forever on Aug 23, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
DAVE, I 'm worried too,
after waztching last nights game I saw a lot of good things from the first string offense and our run defense was good too, but I saw some bad things as well from many different areas of play. like – the defenses blitz packages that they were running almost all game really didn’t get much pressure on the qb’s, the offense after the first string is almost vanilla, shockley practically telegraphed all his passes. the punt coverage wasn’t very good like last year either, the secondary was horrible, if it would have been a better qb than boller in the first half the rams would have done much better against our defense. I am worried to death about our backups at key defensive positions in the secondary and lb’s.
But lets just hope this stuff will be worked out next week against the bolts.
but I do have to say that it’s gonna be hard for any team to stop our #1 offense, they did make it look almost effortless.
lets just keep improving and remember we can shore up week areas after teams release players when they have to cut the roster to the final 53, i watched tennessee and they will have some players that they can’t keep in the secondary that could help us when they release them, so we can get some help at key defensive backup positions later on if our own guys can’t do the job.
lets go falcons!!
l-dawg
You bring up a good point
(several, actually, but one we haven’t talked about much here this off-season: the blitz packages).
1) VanGorder is too in love with the 6 and/or 7 man blitz for my liking. I understand he has to generate pressure on the QB some way, and if the front 4’s not getting it done, he’s gotta send the blitz. But doing it so many times opens the D up to some big plays if they’re not able to actually get to the QB.
2) I’m not sure if it’s the shortcomings of the players, or simply badly designed blitzes by VanGorder (I’m sure it’s a little of both), but you’re right – when they do send the house, they’re not getting the job done enough.
For instance, on Sidbury’s first sack, he stunted/twisted to the inside while Lofton (I think) blitzed to where Sid was lined up, with a D-back coming even further outside of Lofton (I’m not sure who). They did get the pressure, but Boller looked like he had enough time to get rid of it, but instead he tried to escape the pressure, and Sid got him. A better QB might have been able to get rid of that ball (even if it was just an incomplete pass)… Just scares me a bit.
Agreed about JPW
I don’t think Turner or Ryan need any more PT this pre season, maybe one drive a game at the most
by FLA_Falcon on Aug 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Most teams play their started the whole 1st half in the 3rd game...
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Elayne Boosler
That's pretty typical
But I still want a look at the guys lower on the depth chart. I’d be content if they played the first quarter and packed it up.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 22, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I just want Matt Ryan and Michael Turner off the field
give JPW and Redman with Norwood behind them a chance to prove to the rest of us that in the case Matt Ryan had to step out that they would know how to utilize Roddy White and Tony Gonzalez for a drive.
Then quickly get Tony Gonzalez off the field because he is old and as much as we would all like to believe he is, I doubt the guy is invincible.
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Nice recap
It’s going to be tough to get quality depth. As ATLsince1972 said, it may help to go after some players that other deeper teams have to release. On the other hand, ideally you’d want the guys that are competing for starting spots in the secondary to be your backups this year, just because of their youth. But, with a couple more solid drafts, I think the Falcons will be in good shape to be one of the elite teams within a couple years (hopefully the CBA is taken care of by then so there is no lockout in 2011).
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by WolfpackSteelersFan on Aug 22, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions
Good call on Sidbury
Dude was on it, wrapped people up, looked quick and strong.
And yea, Shockley, wow, holy crap that was 100% awfulness.
Oh and also, Grimey, man what was he doing? Grimey was in the right place at the right time on many occasions, but 2 dropped picks and several missed tackles. He needs to close the deal on those plays.
The thing with Grimey
Is putting it all together. He’s got the athletic ability to excel and if he can come up in the situations he so often finds himself in, he’s going to be a dynamic cornerback. As usual, time will tell.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope you're right
about Grimes. The pass defense top to bottom was terrible. The secondary looked lost 1/2 the time and other than Sidbury zero pass rush. I would 2nd everything ATLsince72 said. Run D was solid, but I can’t even imagine what a real QB would fave done against those guys.
On the plus side – seeing Tony Gonzalez in action was like candy from a baby. Oh and I really like the way Biermann hustled.
Grimey
I still have bad memories of him getting picked on play after play last year opposite Foxworth until he went down with the injury.
I love his athleticism but I just feel that he’s too small to be a starting corner. Maybe throw him in on nickel and dime packages but Chevis needs to step up opposite Chris Houston. Speaking of which, I’m not to enamored of him either.
Lord help our secondary – it’s the only thing keeping me from saying we could make the Super Bowl this year.
When did he play opposite Foxworth, if memory serves me right, Foxworth didn’t start until Brent hurt his knee in Chicago, correct me if I’m wrong.
you are correct
he played opposite of Houston. The memories of Muhammad reaching over his head in numerous occasions in the loss to Carolina stand out to a lot of us. Really all it proved though is that he isn’t able to handle the BIG receivers do to his lack of size himself, not that he can’t handle a role as a starting corner.
I believe he holds a very significant role on the team, but should be used situationally. Don’t put him against the taller receivers in the league like Mushin Muhammad (6’2), Randy Moss (6’4), or Roy Williams (6’3) when he will much better be able to handle shorter receivers like Wes Welker (5’9), Devin Hester (5’11) or Steve Smith (5’9) where he is able to still cover them while matching their speed.
Chris Houston is 6’0, let him handle the big guys in zone packages while Grimey runs toe and toe with the faster guys.
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I'm kind of intrigued by the idea of rotating him in and out
I think Chevis Jackson and he bring different skillsets to the table, so maybe rotating them to deal with the opponent would be a smart move.
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I think it's actually what our coaching staff has in mind
they are all about rotations. Making players exhert themselves and be explosive every play knowing that they have relief on the way.
Chevis Jackson is also 6’0. Grimes is by far our fastest cornerback (possibly our fastest player on the defensive side of the ball) and we have to face some of the fastest WRs in the league this year. He has a place and I personally believe he is going to demonstrate what that place is early. I expect Chevis Jackson to have a decent year too… I’m really not too concerned about our secondary. I like or LB corps, with Nicholas being the only question in my mind.
Let me restate the word “like” – I’m “comfortable” with our secondary. Until they start generating turnovers, I’m going to keep them in the “comfortable” category.
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I keep hearing how short Brent is and he should be put up against the shorter receivers, that would be great in a perfect world, but please help me with this, did D. Green have everyone his size 5’ 9" as a receiver? I know they are two different people, but Brent is just a little taller than him and D. Green was great CB which sent him to the Hall of Fame, Brent is learning and he does what he is told. It shouldn’t be made easy for any of the players. It’s time for me to stop. Have a Blessed Day
I agree and disagree, Debilah
I believe in putting someone in a position to succeed, first and foremost. Chevis Jackson is a taller corner who doesn’t have Grimes’ speed, so the situations in which he would best succeed would seem to be against taller receivers who don’t have top flight speed. Grimes is the opposite of that—very, very fast and a little shorter, so matching him up against speedy guys who don’t have six inches of height on him would seem to work well.
Not to say that both can’t be excellent full-time players, because I firmly believe they can. I just think that playing to someone’s strengths is a good policy for any football team.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 23, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grimey was playing ball, and believe me he received enough fuss about missing 2 picks. Have you ever seen any player perfect all the time. Give him a break, do you think he wanted to miss those plays, he lives for plays like that.
he was definitely getting picked on
but I liked what I saw. I hope that QBs continue to try to pick on him early in the season. I think he’ll be quick to prove why they need to be more cautious when throwing to his side of the field early in the season.
I think the only thing worth noting here, is that had he given up the opportunity for that second try for a pick, he could have swat the ball down and made it an incompletion.
Either way, the guy proved he can perform against the bigger guys and he has the stamina to continue to perform regardless of how many times the ball is thrown his way. It’s only a matter of time before one QB gets cocky and attempts to pick on his side of the field and Grimes will be sure to take full advantage. I have no doubt about that.
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Well said my friend
Well said. Can’t wait until we play more talented receivers so he can silence the haters.
Really?
I thought Grimes stood out as the worst performer of the 1st teams… Yes he jumped that one route (the first “dropped” INT), but I felt like he was getting schooled by Laurent Robinson most of his time out there. I’m going to watch the game again today and try to chart it out a little bit for the D-backs, but I was not encouraged by his performance…
Any opinions on the play of Robert James—-2007 Draftee who was out with injury last year. Also did Spenser Adkins get much play time other than special teams?
Thanks
Robert James
I didn’t see the game but my opinion on him is that 220 pound LBs don’t make it in the NFL
by FLA_Falcon on Aug 22, 2009 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Disregard that last comment
I meant to type 210 but after looking at the roster he is 220. (Didn’t he weigh like 211 when we drafted him?)
Anyway I still think he is a bit undersized to be more than a career special teamer
by FLA_Falcon on Aug 22, 2009 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
James
He could play safety…
I’d like to see Rennie Curran become a safety.
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by iRonin on Aug 22, 2009 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Georgia linebacker
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by Dave Choate on Aug 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Beat that drum until they draft him!
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by Dave Choate on Aug 23, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
From a Rams fan's perspective
Your 1st team stomped us. I was glad to get them off of the field. Granted, we were missing significant talents on offense, but your offense still made us look like a high school team.
As for the Shockley/Parker Wilson issue at QB, I have to say, your WRs didn’t do a very good job catching the balls thrown at them. In spite of Shockley’s poor decision making, Marty Booker and Brian Finneran made it even harder on him by dropping balls he tossed right at their palms.
Grimes was a bit confusing, both in his hands and style. I expect our passing offense to be, understandably, notably better once our #1 QB and WR return, but nevertheless, I was pleased. We did a good job stifling your pass rush (despite significant playing time for John Abraham and Jamaal Anderson) and we opened up the secondary well enough to manufacture drives. I would have liked to have seen us shake up the playcalling. Our 1st down runs were so predictable, you were throwing extra blitzes to add to the 7 guys you had in the box. Still, I thought you guys defended the run as well as any team can possibly do.
And as for Tony G, I’m glad he made Tye Hill look foolish. You just can’t commit a busted 1st round pick nickel CB to a future HOFer like Tony. It’s asking to get burned. More than just outplaying us, you outcoached us. Not a good game for Rams fans, but solid execution on your part.
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I assumed he was more consistent
He was all over the place. His change of direction was impressive; he got himself into place often enough, but didn’t make plays.
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by 3k on Aug 22, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not prepared to say that we’re woefully thin or anything
sigh I’m not prepared to say that either, Dave… but it seems apparent. Good coaching can only do so much. I think the coaching staff understands the importance of keeping our starters healthy moreso than being able to successfully turn our abismal pool of talent into a football team that fills our depth chart beyond our top 22.
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Ram's Game
I think that this game was Shockley’s main chance. He got a lot of minutes and we all know what we got from that.
It is understandable that our depth is weak. When your draft choices are turning into starters, it is hard to build depth.
Really worried about our D backs, and have been since Foxworthy left, ,Owens looks like the only bright spot, no one else stands out.
Thoughts
Like everybody else:
1) 1st team “O” looks unstoppable
2) Shock looks horrible
3) depth at almost all positions worries me
Other thoughts:
1) I thought Grimes looked like he’s still not ready/able to be a starting CB in the NFL. He jumped the one route and “should” have had an INT, but he gave up tons of catches to Laurent, and looked totally lost on a couple plays, too.
2) Snelling looked great and Verron Haynes looked pretty good, too. Thomas Brown better get healthy quick and do something positive, or he’s not going to make the roster.
3) I haven’t been impressed with Marty Booker at all. I’d take Weems and Ferguson above him if it were my call (and I know Ferguson hasn’t done much as a receiver, but he’s been all over the place on special teams, and Booker hasn’t done much as a receiver either)…
4) I can’t believe I’m saying this after how the unit was last year, but I think the D-line might have the best depth out of any position on the team. Thomas Johnson, Lewis, Sid, and all the usual suspects have looked pretty good (especially defending the run). Biermann has looked like the most improved from last year to me (he still doesn’t have any “moves” to speak of, but he still gives 110% on every play he’s out there, and he bulked up so he’s not getting pushed off the screen as soon as the ball’s snapped).
Good luck to JPW next week, there certainly looks like an opportunity to nab a roster spot…
Few responses to your thoughts
1) Not to beat a broken drum, but Grimes has the talent. I don’t know if it’s nerves or something else entirely, but he’s looked a little shakier in games. I think if the coaching staff works with him on finishing plays and can get him calmed down, he’ll be perfectly fine. If nothing else, as I said last year, he should be playing nickel so he can jump a few passes.
2) I don’t know why Snelling gets as much flack as he does, because he’s really quite good for a third back. I like the fact that Brown is versatile, but he has to show it on the field and he’s rapidly running out of time to do so.
3) I don’t even know that Ferguson’s done that well. I might be inclined to take Weems and Chandler Williams/Aaron Kelly, largely depending on whether we think we need more special teams or receiving help.
4) Amen.
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Grimes
Yeah, I wrote in the my analysis of the D-backs that I thought he should be the Nickle corner this season (btw, I’ll hopefully have the LB’s up some time today). Obviously, the coaches see and know more than I do, and he must impress in practices with all the positive talk coming out of camp, but I see it the same as you: “he’s looked a little shakier in games”. I’m also being more critical of him simply because he’s listed as the starter opposite Houston. I could make many of the same complaints about Owens (yeah, he recovered the fumble and generally looks good in run support, but he’s been scorched and/or lost in coverage plenty), but he’s a rookie and will probably be the #4 CB… not exactly the same expectations. If Grimes is going to begin the season as the starter, I want to see him be more consistent.
By the way, did anybody see Von Hutchins at all vs. STL? I don’t remember seeing him or hearing his name, and I don’t see him listed in the box score…
To be fair
I’m re-watching (and charting) a lot of the action in the STL game, and twice already (I’m only halfway through the 2nd Quarter) I saw a play that I “remembered” as Grimes (a Laurent Robinson catch), but was not – one was Owens and one was Chevis. So already he’s doing better than I was thinking right after the game. He was totally burned deep on an incompletion (overthrown by Boller) into the endzone, though, so he’s not totally off the hook…
Lots of overreactions...
Our first string offense looked as good as we hoped. Efficient, versatile, and multi-pronged.
As far as depth goes, I don’t think it’s fair to judge our depth by what our second teamers do when they are all in there together. Yes – if EVERYONE on our team got injured and we had to play the entire 2nd team, we’d suck. Fortunately, that’s not going to happen. Keep in mind that if, for example, William Middleton, had to come in the game due to an injury, he’d be playing with our first stringers supporting him.
Also – these guys are young so there will be a learning curve. I’m definitely not worried.
Just my opinion, but I thought Grimes was solid. He had two pass break-ups that folks think should have been interceptions. This happened several times last year too. Both plays were extremely difficult (both great leaps) and I don’t think you can blame him for “dropping” either one. I’m just thankful we have someone who can be in the right place.
Go Falcons!
It's probably not a good time to be worried
A reality check never hurts. I do wring my hands a little bit about our backups.
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by Dave Choate on Aug 23, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
this is a time where we get to witness our coaching staff work their magic.
Looking at some other team’s training camps, the Eagles come to mind in this example, our coaching staff seems to have a good grasp on how to keep players healthy. They also demonstrated last season that they know how to coach a team that seemed to be loaded with busts.
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