Vote for Greatest Falcons TE of All Time
Here are your candidates for the All Time Falcons TE race...all three of them. Not much to choose from but the crop we have is good. They're pretty evenly matched in most categories, save Pro Bowl appearances. As always, click the players' names for their Pro-Football-Reference.com stat sheets and bios. Results on Friday.
- Alge Crumpler (7 years): REC - 316, YDs - 4212, TDs - 38, YPR - 13.3, RYPG - 39.8, AWDs - 4 Pro Bowls (in a row, 03-06)
- Junior Miller (4 years): REC - 114, YDs - 1328, TDs - 13, YPR - 11.6, RYPG - 23.7, AWDs - 2 Pro Bowls (in a row, 80-81)
- Jim Mitchell (11 years): REC - 305, YDs - 4358, TDs - 28, YPR - 14.3, RYPG - 28.1, AWDs - 2 Pro Bowls (69 as rookie, 72)
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This is going about as expected
Mitchell getting decent credit but Crumpler running away with it. It’s hard to argue with the guy’s peak, which was basically from the moment he put on the uniform until his wince-inducing final year.
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by Dave the Falconer on Jul 1, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
Really, Crump is our most notable TE when the research is done. We haven’t produced a lot of star TEs.
You have opinions. Share them.
by tlozwarlock on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O.J. Santiago
The man who coined the phrase “Dirty Bird” in the first place gets no nomination love?
Aah, I would have voted for Crumpler anyway.
by johnnybacardi on Jul 1, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok,
I’ve done some serious digging on this one. First, because I didn’t want to have to vote for Crumpler – then because I changed my mind (because of his huge numbers) and was trying to justify voting for Crumpler.
To me, Junior Miller is clearly 3rd. He only played here 4 years, and only had the one good year (1980). He didn’t really deserve to go to the Pro Bowl in ‘81, but Ozzie Newsome, Kellen Winslow, Dave Casper, etc were all in the AFC – they had to send somebody from the NFC (his TE ranks for ’81: 17th in Receptions, 16th in Yards, and 18th in TDs – doesn’t sound like a Pro Bowl season to me).
I was most familiar with Crumpler – but in a bad way. His “advanced stats” numbers (from Football Outsiders) are terrible, with the exception of his ‘04 season. I know we’ve already had this discussion… but he put up huge counting numbers because the team didn’t have anyone else to rely on in the passing game (Peerless Price, Brian Finneran, Jenkins, and Roddy were not good WRs then). His Catch % was probably hurt for some of those same reasons, though – no other threats, kciV accuracy issues, etc.
Here’s his TE Ranks for his 4 Pro Bowl years, plus Catch Rate (DYAR is a counting stat, so he should rank highly with all the balls thrown his way):
Year – Rec – Yds – TD – DYAR – C%
2003 – #10 – #5 — #9 – #23 — 55%
2004 – #8 — #6 — #6 — #4 — 65%
2005 – #7 — #4 — #8 – #20 — 55%
2006 – #9 — #4 — #2 – #19 — 51%
They threw the ball to him a ton those 4 years, but he didn’t really do anything special with all those passes. His DVOA (Defense-Adjusted Value over Average) was only positive in 2004 (at 30.9%). He was below average in the other three years.
Here’s why I voted for Jim Mitchell:
1) He was a Falcon longer (hey Warlock, 1969-1979 is actually 11 seasons).
2) He also (like Crump) led the team in receptions a few years (I have no idea if Paul Flatley or Ken Burrow were any good, and Alfred Jenkins didn’t arrive until 1975).
3) He was a huge deep threat and/or YAC guy (I don’t know which… I never saw him) – his Yards per Catch numbers were phenomenal until around 1976.
4) His peak was higher – his two best years were better than Crump’s two best years, if you go by his Ranks compared to other TE’s: 1970 he was #2 in Receptions, #2 in Yards, and tied for 3rd in TDs; 1971 he was #5 in Receptions, #3 in Yards, and tied for 3rd in TDs, which brings me to my next point…
5) He should have gone to at least 3 Pro Bowls – his best 2 years (‘70 and ’71) he somehow didn’t even go to the Pro Bowl. He probably should have gone to the Pro Bowl in 1975, too. He went to the Pro Bowl in 1969 and 1972 when he was barely in the top 10 in the three categories I listed (well, 1969 was before the AFL-NFL merger, and NFL.com lumps them all together, so I’m not sure where he ranked considering just NFL/NFC players). There were tons of quality options in the NFC during his career – Charlie Sanders and Jackie Smith are in the Hall of Fame, plus Charle Young and Ted Kwalick both went to multiple Pro Bowls in the early ‘70s. It’s not his fault that he played the same time as two HOF’ers in the same Conference…
6) While Crump had 4 years in the TE top 10 ranks, Mitchell had 7 years (though not quite as highly ranked as Crump, except ’70 and ’71) where he was in the top 10 in most categories of TEs.
I’ve changed my mind several times on this one, but I finally decided on Jim Mitchell. But I’m pretty sure Dave’s not going to have to “shaz a brick”, thankfully…
by orang3b on Jul 1, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
great analysis
I voted for Mitchell mainly because he didn’t quit on us no matter how bad it got (and it got pretty bad) but also because the huge discrepancy in the voting between the 2 isn’t justified. Truth be told Crumpler was probably the better talent. Crumpler has a huge advantage in size and speed plus (but then thats the case with most modern athletes) plus the strong hands to catch Vick’s darts that everyone else dropped. Mitchell was more of a steady, consistent guy as I recall – not a guy who could dominate. But he was a gamer – good blocker, caught it when it came his way and didn’t complain. So, it was a hard call but put me in Mitch’s camp
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by zooker on Jul 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Check Mate/Rec'd
I could take the time to try and refute this, but that’d be entirely futile.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
by FrankyWren on Jul 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, no...
I don’t mean for it to come across that way – I guess it does seem like I only listed negatives for Crump and positives for Mitchell. Just know that I came thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close to voting for Crumpler. Everybody knows the positives for Crump – 4 straight Pro Bowls, leading the team in Receptions several years, etc. I had to do a lot of digging for the others (because I didn’t see their playing days) and I just wanted to share some of my thoughts to try to help others like me make an informed decision… I certainly don’t mean for it to be a “Check Mate” type post or an irrefutable rant. I don’t think it’s “wrong” that Crump’s leading (well, maybe the margin’s a little crazy). Now, if Bartkowski didn’t win the QB vote, that would’ve been another story – but I’m fine with this and the RB results, even though it’s not the guys I voted for.
by orang3b on Jul 1, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
def rec'd
my vote still went to Crumps… but your research was more than insightful and much appreciated. Great work.
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by MentallyMIA on Jul 1, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think my only counter to this...
…And I’d appreciate it if Hardcore or someone else would enlighten me on this, but I don’t know what kind of blocker Jim Mitchell was. I do know that Crumpler wasn’t a one-dimensional pass-catching tight end, and he played a role in a very good running game during that time period. Your research is compelling—and my vote for Crumpler wavers a bit in the face of it—but I maintain that he was the complete package. Vick is also a double-edged sword, because while he targeted Crumpler frequently, he threw a lot of balls that were very difficult for the big guy to get to.
I’ll acknowledge also that I’m the world’s biggest Crumpler fan, so unless Mitchell completely blew him out of the water, that was where my vote was going. Mitchell deserves to be much closer, but I’d still go with Algernon.
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by Dave the Falconer on Jul 1, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah,
Stick to your guns! Heck, I almost voted for Crump myself… Like I said, I just listed the negatives for Crump and positives for Mitchell because that is what helped convince me, and because everybody already knows about Crump. You do make a good point that Crump was generally underrated as a blocker (I have no idea about Mitchell either). But I’d say the biggest counter would just be Crump’s total numbers, Pro Bowls, plus almost 12 yards per game more than Mitchell. I know teams pass a lot more now than in the ‘70s, but the best I can tell the TE was still used pretty frequently back then (when we get to the WRs it’s going to be a big problem to try to compare modern players to their ’70s counterparts, though).
by orang3b on Jul 2, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, extreme recommendations
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by Dave the Falconer on Jul 1, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the power
of rec’
know what you believe in and why you believe in it
by MentallyMIA on Jul 2, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
that is why I voted mitchell as well.
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by Hardcore Falcon on Jul 1, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Algernon The Great!!!
Soft hands, Great RAC, underrated Run blocking… how many years did he lead in recieving? Hated to see him go… So valuable in the Red Zone, he made Mike Vick’s fast ball look as catchable as Chad Pennington’s fastball (if that makes any sense)
by CaliFALCON on Jul 1, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would just throw this out there..
if he was so great, then why did he get cut?
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something"
-Dick Butkus
by zooker on Jul 2, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I assume
You mean Crump…
Well, good players get cut for salary cap reasons all the time. Officially, he was cut for injury, age, and salary reasons – but I’m sure part of it was his attitude toward Petrino (totally understandable) and his backing of kciV, and the new regime not wanting to put up with the headache…
by orang3b on Jul 6, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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