Discussing The Role Of Von Hutchins In The Atlanta Falcon Secondary
He's easily the most veteran cornerback in a very young secondary. His name makes him sound like a Dutch land baron. He lost an entire season to injury. He is Von Hutchins.
While he may not be the biggest piece of the puzzle, many think he'll be a critical one. The rationale goes like this: the Falcons didn't sign Hutchins to sit on the bench, even after the injury, and there's virtually nothing in his way aside from Chris Houston. I'm not sure where I stand on that given our plethora of young, talented cornerbacks and safeties, but in these slow days of the off-season, it seems like a matter worth discussing, particularly given his ability to play either position. Hutchins is still coming back from a serious Lisfranc injury and is easing into practice, so be sure to factor that into your thinking process, amigos.
What do you think is going to happen to Hutchins?
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I have faith
He was signed for a reason and was a starter going into last year…Jackson has been good but dont think hes set the world alight…i guess we will have to see.
Im so scared of Injuries…
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by TO falcon on Jun 13, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we were
seemingly immune in that department last season
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by MentallyMIA on Jun 14, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I still don’t feel like my normal self," Hutchins said. "I don’t have all my quickness, but that will come. I see progress. … The rest is going to come with time and a little more experience on the field."
"He’s still working his way back in slowly," defensive backs coach Alvin Reynolds said. "He’s playing at nickel back trying to develop the depth at that position. He’s a guy that adds some veteran presence to us and provides some leadership. We need a guy like Von Hutchins, especially with all our young guys."
I see him contributing to the secondary this year, but I wonder whether he’ll be 100 percent by the start of training camp. You have to like his versatility, and the flexibility it lends the coaches in setting the roster each week.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
by FrankyWren on Jun 14, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Von Hutchins will be the primary nickel back.
He should be 100% by the end of camp?
Plus, I see Houston and Jackson as the opening day starters on the corners.
Owens, Middleton and Grimes round out the 6 CB`s that make the final roster.
Those 3 should also see situational playing time.
That`s of course, barring any injuries or late roster moves.
by BlackTalon on Jun 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um ...
Was that a question or a statement re: his health? If the question mark wasn’t intended, what makes you think he’ll be good-to-go by camp? I mean, I certainly hope he is, I’m just curious.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
by FrankyWren on Jun 14, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hutchins
I was making the assumption that, he should be 100% by the end of camp.
Of course, we don`t know at this point.
Owens might be rushed into the lineup (as nickle) if not?
That`s just my (semi educated) guess .
by BlackTalon on Jun 14, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
I’d say that’s a good guess.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
by FrankyWren on Jun 14, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I do know is
I can`t wait for camp to see how the all positional battles in the secondary unfold.
Grimes is said to have been real strong at OTA `s with Owens and Middelton showing lots of promise.
Owens is stated to have outstanding ‘’break speed.’’
He bites on some moves but fast enough to recover.
Middleton is also fast and very intelligent but he needs to learn the nuances of his position at this level.
All that`s fine and good for the future, except for Grimes.
He can play now.
Bottom line, we would like to have Hutch now for his experience and versatility.
by BlackTalon on Jun 14, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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by Dave the Falconer on Jun 15, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ideal role of Von Hutchins
Given the youth of our secondary, there’s plenty of depth there. I think, given his versatility, Von Hutchins will be used as a reliable veteran presence in the cornerback depth chart, as well as an “insurance policy” at free safety and cornerback in case of injury.
He’s obviously not the future for us a one of the two CB spots, and we’re going to be pretty set at safety with Coleman, Moore, and DeCoud (my personal favorite of the three), so he’s here to provide stability and experience.
by BigManChili on Jun 14, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
Insurance Policy puts it best. After digging a bit for info, the only think I can say nice about Hutchins is that he has game experience at Free Safety, Nickle CB and Starting (outside) CB.
First, the good news. As far as “the Falcons didn’t sign Hutchins to sit on the bench”… that may not exactly be true. He signed a 4 year, $9 Million dollar contract last off-season. His Cap # last year was $1.55M. He is listed as a Safety on USA Today’s Salary Database (and in Football Outsiders numbers when he was with the Texans), but as a Cornerback on the team’s Official Roster. His Cap # last year (as a Conerback) was #67 in the league – 32 teams, 2 starting CB’s mean he would be considered one of the highest paid Nickle backs (or lowest paid Starter). His Cap # (as a Safety) was #37 (right behind Erik Coleman), so maybe that’s starter’s money. So if TD was thinking he would be a Nickle back and/or compete with Coleman for the Free Safety spot, that seems like a reasonable contract.
Now, the bad news (there’s a lot). He was a 6th Round draft choice, so he wasn’t very highly regarded from the start. He seems to be injury prone. I have to admit I’ve never watched him play (or at least, never noticed him), so I tried to get some info from Football Outsiders.
2004 (rookie year):
Injuries forced the Colts to use 4th Round rookie Jason David at starting CB opposite Nick Harper, with 6th Round rookie Von Hutchins in the Nickle. Pro Football Prospectus 2005 (Indianapolis)
This is the season before FO started doing their game charting, so there are no advanced stats, but the Colts were so impressed with the performance of David and Hutchins, do you know what they did? Drafted Cornerbacks in Round 1 AND Round 2 of the 2005 draft…
2005: Played in only 3 games. Spent the majority of the year on the Physically Unable to Perform List. Not enough play-time to show up in FO’s stats.
2006: Released by the Colts in September. Joined the Texans late in the year, and played in only 3 games. Again, no FO stats.
The Houston secondary is a festival of replacement-level talent with one bright exception, CB Dunta Robinson. As for the rest of these veterans, there’s no reason to waste a paragraph delineating shades of mediocrity. Pro Football Prospectus 2007 (Houston)
2007 (this is when it really gets bad): Played in 16 games, starting 15. Played some CB and some FS (he’s listed as FS in FO’s #‘s). Out of 83 Safeties that made enough plays to show up in Football Outsiders’ stats that year, he had:
Run Yards 9.5 (Rank #76) – Made his average tackle on run plays 9.5 yards downfield.
Run Stop 32% (Rank #63) – Tackled runners short of a successful play 32% of the time (FO’s Success – 40% yards needed on 1st down, 60% yards needed on 2nd down, 100% yards needed on 3rd & 4th down).
Success Rate 30% (Rank #82) – Stopped receivers short of a successful play 30% of the time while he was in coverage.
Average Pass Yards 9.8 (Rank #68) – Average Yards gained on plays he was in coverage.
And it wasn’t just that the Texans had a bad defense overall – the other Defensive Backs generally had average rankings (#30-#50). He was very bad in run support, and positively awful in coverage.
While I guess it is possible that the one year we have advanced stats available he just had a (very) bad year, the more likely conclusion is that he is not very good.
by orang3b on Jun 15, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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That doesn’t cast the best light on Hutchins, but I feel like he’ll stick around because he’s a veteran.
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by Dave the Falconer on Jun 15, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
Sticking around and actually playing are two very different things. I’ve never really noticed him either so I generally haven’t had an opinion on him other than I just assumed he was bench material brought in to ensure competition between the starters and to fill in on nickle and dime sets, or when an injury occurs. Our secondary has not been the strongest part of our defense for a long time and there aren’t too many of those guys that aren’t expendable in my mind.
If he can get healthy and stay healthy, then we might as well keep him for the length of his contract as an injury replacement player. Or if someone else proves more valuable, then cut him. Either one isn’t likely to set the forums ablaze so I don’t think it matters much.
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by Jesse28 on Jun 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If he’s healthy, he could be valuable as a spot starter at either CB or Safety. Or if TD and the coaches don’t like what they see – cut him (I think he’d count as $1M dead money next year if he’s cut this year). Either way, it’s not going to make or break our Defense this year (or the next 3 years).
by orang3b on Jun 15, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should clarify that
I believe he’s going to earn some kind of playing time if he’s healthy because he’s a known quantity. That’s not an indictment of Mike Smith and the coaching staff, I think, so much as it is the reality of trying to herd an entire corps made up of extremely young corners. He may have a leg up because of experience.
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by Dave the Falconer on Jun 15, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you look at or CBs
he seems to fit right into the mold… now I’m not going to do the extensive reasearch that orang3b did (which was fantastic btw, Rec’d). However, I don’t think many of our CBs are any better… assuming he stays healthy, he’s just as likely as the rest of them to score a spot as a starter.
I like the idea of Jackson and Houston being our starters though, so my vote is that he is our starting nickel – the implied experience at safety at least gives us some comfortability as far as depth is concerned.
I guess the easiest way to sum the guy up is that he isn’t a high quality starter, but at least he isn’t a low quality backup.
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by MentallyMIA on Jun 15, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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