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A Very Falcoholic Discussion: Rank The Positions Of Need

Kind of an interesting little exercise for all of you today. A lot of you have already expressed your preference or undying love for a prospect or two, but I would really like to see you rank your top ten positions of need. If you'd like to add a prospect you're fond of to go with each position, that would be even better.

My hope is that we can generate some real discussion--and maybe even consensus--on where the Falcons are weakest. With that in mind, it might be even easier for you guys to come up with fourth-round choices for our little mock draft.

What are you waiting for?

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I want....

Candy

New Orleans Hornets: The most inconsistent team in the NBA.

by Grayson on Apr 8, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No

Snickers are too “nutty” or “crazy” to fit our scheme. I think a Mars Bar would suite our needs.

New Orleans Hornets: The most inconsistent team in the NBA.

by Grayson on Apr 8, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

/fail

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I know

It was supposed to be a picture of a Mars Bar that read “Believe.” But alas … EPIC FAIL.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 9, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about...

Every position on the D side…

That enough fer ya?

" No, I think I'll sit in the balcony " - Abe Lincoln

by tapate50 on Apr 8, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You stole my line...

BTW, go Noles

"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something"

-Dick Butkus

by zooker on Apr 8, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SOLB, SS, DT(NG), OL(RT), WR, DE

in that order…

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 8, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

What type of receiver do you see us getting?

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 8, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone to take the place of Finneran (love the guy, but not getting any younger)...

A big receiver who can move the chains, block well, and contribute to special teams. We could pick up Patrick Turner from USC late in the draft. He’s 6-5, 223lbs, decent 4.6 speed….

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 8, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A contributer

I like McKinley out of S. Carolina and Byrd from LSU. For a serious flier pick, look at Nate Swift out of Nebraska.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

1/2. SS – Someone young and fast to fill in for the Law Dog (DeCoud could fill this)
1/2. OLB – Someone to start opposite Peterson (Coy Wire could fill this)
3. DT – Big Body in the Middle (Trey Lewis could fill this)
4. DE – Generate a Pass Rush opposite Abraham (I say J. Anderson can do this w/ Chauncey)
5. CB – Not too big of a need IMO. I think a consistant pass rush will help them a great deal.
6. C/RT – McClure isn’t getting any younger, and I’d like to see someone compete with Clabo’s False Starts.
7. TE – I think we have a nice Combonation but TE isn’t big in our offense so i don’t rankt his high as a need.
8. WR – Why not?
9. FS – Did anyone notice that Coleman was the 3rd leading tackler amon Free Safeties?
10. RB – What happens if Turner goes down?

If my mother put on a helmet and shoulder pads and a uniform that wasn't the same as the one I was wearing, I'd run over her if she was in my way. And I love my mother.
-Bo Jackson

by Pregame with Pabst on Apr 8, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reasonably confident in Norwood/Snelling/Brown

They won’t replace Turner, but they can probably hold the fort down pretty well for a while.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 8, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point...

You know, I actually think Snelling is quite good. I’d like to see him get more reps. While I like Norwood, and he has that undeniable “home-run” ability, I feel like he lacks control (i.e. his feet run out from under him a lot of times and he tackles himself). Yet to be seen what Brown can do.

by TomQ on Apr 8, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you like about Snelling?

No disrespect, but given the small sample size (I think he had all of 60ish yards last fall), are you looking at his potential?

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None taken...

Yeah, his stats don’t show much, but anecdotally, it seems like every time I see him get the ball he’s getting 4-6 yards, and he can move the pile. Obviously, with Turner doing that same thing, there hasn’t been much need to get him out there (and Norwood fills a different role). I guess it’s just my gut feeling.

by TomQ on Apr 8, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you...

I have said the same thing when watching him. Every time he touches the ball he seems to end up, a solid, 5-6 yards down the field. Not saying he should be a everydown back but the man is a load to tackle.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to be a stickler, but for the sake of quantitative analysis ...

he only averaged 3.8 yards a carry last fall. His best game came against Oakland, where he pulled in 47 yards on 8 rushing attempts. Oakland ranked 31/32 in run defense last fall (I guess nobody was worse than the Lions).

His other 7 rushing attempts were spread between Denver (1 for -3 yards), SD (1 for 1 yard), NO (2 for 5 yards), and Minnesota (3 for 12 yards).

If Brown can hold down the PR/KR duties, I don’t even see Snelling making the team to be honest.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your resistance...

You mentioned sample size. It’s definitely small, so a true “average” will be hard to find. Again, just for evidence for Snelling, look at these preseason averages from last year, where he took more of a load:
v. Jags: 4 for 32yds = 8 yd/car
v. Ind: 1 for 8 yds = .125yd/car (ouch)
v. Tenn: 9 for 46 = 5.1
v. Bal: 15 for 88 = 5.9
Now I know these are preseason, but he’s out there with other 2nd/3rd stringers, so the playing field is level (pun intended). Also, I’m seeing he had a 4.1 yd avg. last fall. Just my spin on the facts, I guess.

by TomQ on Apr 8, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understandable ...

I mean, he is in the NFL. Meaning he must have some degree of potential. But I’ll be surprised if he isn’t cut.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So it goes...

As we’ve just seen with Laurent, having potential doesn’t always keep you on the team. With that in mind, I wouldn’t be shocked either. I guess we’re gonna find out!

by TomQ on Apr 8, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry you forgot something

he has done nothing to hurt himself and he may not play defense but he was the NFL’s leading tackler on kickoffs

by mistab50 on Apr 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

I’ll say:
1/2: DT
1/2: OLB (we need TWO here, so I’m only going to do 9 positions)
3: SS
4: CB
5: DE
6: TE
7: Anywhere on OL
8: WR
9: I really can’t go any farther than that

by LetsGoFalcons on Apr 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ten might've been a lot to ask for

It looks like SS, DT and OLB are going to be the top three, in one form or another.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

While we have options on the roster to fill them, we just might not be happy with the results we get. DeCoud, Nicholas, Peterson, Davis can all play, we just dont know how well.

Id love to see a top pick on a versatile OL somewhere early.

On a unrelated note, the speedster from LSU Byrd (WR) could be a great late pick…

" No, I think I'll sit in the balcony " - Abe Lincoln

by tapate50 on Apr 8, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id love to see a top pick on a versatile OL somewhere early.

We’re seeing the LIGHT!

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Been practicing what I preach for years now.

Why should this year be different?

" No, I think I'll sit in the balcony " - Abe Lincoln

by tapate50 on Apr 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I vote for:
1. SS- Not really a stellar class this year. The kid from oregon or bama.
2. OLB- Obviously, one of the USC boys would be nice.
3. DT- Jerry out of Ole Miss would be solid and should be gettable(is that even a word?).
4. DE- Later round pick here. The top tier will be gone by 24.
5. OL- I’m with Pregame with Pabst on this one. Plus, Baker might have injury probs.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Here we go

In no particular order…

LB-Sintim
SS-Moore
DT- Big Guy
TE-Ryan Purvis
T- Andrew gardner
LB- Scott Mckillop

Its great we have people on our roster that can fill these needs. The problem is that filling these positions and having them play great…are 2 different things.

"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"

by Edgecrusher211 on Apr 8, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How about

Delmas or Johnson (Bama)? Delmas would be more of a Bob Sanders type. Shorter, but a missle on the field. Per Nick Saban, Johnson was one of the smartest players he has coached. Say what you will about Satan, he can coach. I don’t have any qualms with Moore either.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm ...

Top three have to be: OLB, DT, SS (in any order in my opinion)

From there:
4. OL
Any one of the capable OTs in the 3-5 rounds would work. McClure only has a few years left in him, so drafting his heir apparent is a priority as well.
5. TE
Say what you will about “fitting the scheme,” you cannot deny the offensive boost that would be derived from adding a true dual-threat TE.
6. DE
Need I say more?
7. RB
I see this as the Big White Elephant in the room that few people are willing to acknowledge. Norwood is capable, but he’ll never be able to pound the rock. Snelling is versatile, but he’s hardly a proven commodity. Brown will do some things (I hope), but he too is an unproven commodity. This is not a priority in this year’s draft, but depending on how Snelling/Brown do this year, we might have to make it one next year.
8. CB
If Houston and Jackson don’t progress this year like we’re expecting them to …

That is about it IMO.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 12:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nailed it...

I might put CB ahead of DE and RB, but otherwise, your assessment looks good to me. The top three are dead-on, and they should be picked in the order in which the best player is available which fills those positions.

by TomQ on Apr 8, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs

I think we need secondary more then anything.. I think we should Start Chevis Jackson and possibly get a veteran CB from free agency or hope to get Malcolm Jenkins in the draft. I would also like to see improvement on safety position, I would love to have Roy Williams but thats a longshot for falcons to do, I would like to grab Delmas in the draft. Second round pick up a decent cathing TE, and pick up some DT and DE.

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree our secondary needs some work.

decent cathing TE

Peelle?

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Cornelius Ingram, out of Florida, didn’t have the injury history, he would be a steal. However, the guy can’t seem to stay healthy.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peele is good but not great, the guy from rice would be good, pettigrew would be awesome but i doubt he’ll be there in the 2nd round..

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I beg to differ ...

but you’re certainly entitled to your opinion. Keep in mind: Peele pulled in 30 receptions in ‘07 for the Dolphins (8 yards/catch) … w/ Cleo Lemon throwing to him. I’m fairly sure TD and company aren’t looking for a “pass catching TE.” If they are looking to go TE, it’ll be a solid blocker w/ solid hands.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And your probably right they might not be looking for a catching TE, and Peele can catch Radar and hartstock arent to bad either , but it would be nice to have a dangerous TE on our side to take away some LB, that would mean more catches through the middle for finneran and norwood. But with Tampa signing Winslow and saints have Shockey, and both of them are very good if/when healthy.

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

I think both of those guys (Winslow, Shockey) are almost infinitely over-rated. Plus, I’m not sure I would call Pettigrew “dangerous”, since he ran in the 4.8’s (slower than Peele)

by orang3b on Apr 9, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

I dont think thats a true statement, Winslow is good really good he just never had anybody throw the ball to him in cleveland and if shokey would keep his mouth shut he could produce well.. But i think the winslow pick up for the bucs was huge hes a good blocker he receives well and hes a big guy!!

by MTB33 on Apr 9, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shockey I agree with

Winslow I do not. I think he’s due for a huge year with the Bucs. Attitude problems and injuries have held him back significantly, methinks.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 9, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both ahve bad attitudes but i think winslow will have a great year as long as the bucs get a QB.. We need a guy like winslow without the attitude!!

by MTB33 on Apr 9, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd love to have someone of his talent

I’m not sure there’s anyone in this draft that fits the bill, though, so I’d rather draft a project this year and hang tight until an elite option becomes available.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 9, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about T. Gonzalez? Do you think thats an option?

by MTB33 on Apr 9, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I do

Trading multiple draft picks or one high one for a guy who’s only likely to play two more years doesn’t sit well with me. I like the player, though.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 11, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

I think attitude and injuries are part of being a football player, though. I just think most people put them both in the top 5 or so of TE’s and I probably don’t agree with that:

Shockey – He is an underrated blocker, I’ll give him that. But (for instance) last year (even though injuries may have played a part in it) he was outplayed by Billy Miller (in the same offense). Billy Miller??

Winslow – Yes, he is a colossal d-bag. That’s probably making it worse in my mind, but 1) I don’t think he’s anything special as a blocker. 2) He has never had a great catch rate. Yes, the QB’s suck; yes, he’s running some deeper routes; etc – but he and Braylon Edwards were definitely part of the problem last year with all the drops. 3) He lost a ton of explosiveness since the parking lot motorcycle accident when he ripped his knee to shreds. He just is not the same player he was supposed to be coming out of college.

I just don’t think either one of them are anywhere close to Tony Gonzalez (though he’s a sure-fire HOFer) or even Witten/Gates territory. And I think most people do think they’re in that same group.

by orang3b on Apr 9, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

??

What do you guys think??

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like, except

I don’t want Roy Williams. He is a serious liability on passing downs. I agree that we need to address the secondary. I think Houston can be good but he needs to improve in some key areas. Jenkins would be nice but I don’t see him there at 24 and I don’t think it would be smart to trade up to get him. I am all about Delmas and the tight end out of Rice in the second round would be fantastic.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree he is a liability on passing downs, however nobody hits harder than Roy Williams when hes healthy. He would be a good veteran to train others, I wouldn’t mind getting Chris McCalaster for a year or 2 to be a role model for Jackson and Houston..

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Liability on passing downs
2. Solid tackler
3. Veteran presence

Hmm … sounds like Law Dog.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Roy Williams

I’m not super fond of his fit with this team. I’d rather have DeCoud win the job because I believe he’d be much better in coverage, and that’s something I still think we need to upgrade in our secondary. Safety’s a good place to start with so many young corners.

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by Dave the Falconer on Apr 8, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about putting in Rodney Harrison back there if he decides to stay in NFL.. He might be good for 1 more year and the things he could teach our young safeties, I think it would be pretty good…

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m gonna have to say

1. DT/NT – A big space eating 1-technique. (options: Ziggy Hood early; Terrance Taylor or Roy Miller late)
2. OLB – I’m not crazy about any of the 1st rounders. (options: Tyrone McKenzie "SAM" or Jason Williams "WILL" in mid rounds; maybe even another one late)
3. DE – I’m starting to change my thinking on this position, especially if this is Anderson’s last year to "prove it". Abraham is injury prone and already 30. Putting consistent pressure on the QB was possibly the defenses biggest problem last year. Even if Davis can take up most of their possible slack, I think we still need an up-and-comer. I’d say grab a DE that started to slip on Draft Day, but that is a position that doesn’t usually fall too far. (options: ??)
4. Safety – This is assuming DeCoud is capable. I think safety is probably the least important position on defense. Of course, if Delmas/Chung/Moore fell to us in the 2nd round I’d be OK with that. (other options: Courtney Greene, Otis Wiley late)
5. OT – Either a mid-round pure mauler for RT or a late-round diamond-in-the-rough project type (plenty of options from top to bottom)
6. CB – A mid-rounder on a tall/physical type to push immediately for Nickle or 4th CB, and possibly pushing to start on the outside in a year or 2 (options: Kevin Barnes, Keenan Lewis, Morgan Trent, Mike Mickens, etc.)
7. WR – Late-rounder for depth (eventual replacement for Finneran). I’d prefer a bigger "hands" guy, but if TD opted for a pure speed-burner, I’d be OK with that too. (options: Brandon Gibson "hands" or Deon Butler "speed" or maybe even Dominique Edison "diamond-in-the-rough/Laurent-Robinson-equivalent")
8. TE – Unless Mularkey’s planning on tweaking the offense, I don’t think this is too much of a need. Plus, most of the TE’s in this draft are too slow to be a "threat", or are bulked-up WR’s. Heck, I’d say take a late-round flyer (or even the UDFA route) on one of the small school guys – their weight/speed looks better than most of the BCS prospects (options: Jared Bronson, John Nalbone)
9. Center – As stated above, McClure’s not getting any younger. I’d love to see a QB-C combo that stuck together for what seems like forever and could read each other’s minds, like Peyton Manning and Jeff Saturday (especially since there’s some good Center prospects this year). But we have 4 Centers listed on the roster. They just re-signed Ben Wilkerson, and they just signed Brett Romberg, so I don’t see it happening in this year’s draft.

I think I trust Norwood more than probably anybody on here, so I don’t count RB as a need at all. If Turner got hurt, I’d feel OK going with Norwood-Snelling-Brown, with a street Free Agent on the "ready" call list. Of course, Mularkey would have to adjust the offense some too.

And just counting, it looks like I would need another 3-4 rounder and another 6-7 rounder to fill all my listed needs. Maybe some UDFA’s or a trade down will take care of that.

by orang3b on Apr 8, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I’m right there with you on Norwood. I was actually a little pissed when we signed Turner. I thought it was a waste when we had Norwood and could have saved money by signing his backup, instead of making him the backup. I hated everything McKay did and thought he deserved to get fired outright well before this move, so my bias just made this move come across as yet another bad move by McKay and Co.

Note that I never once thought Turner wouldn’t work, but to me, at that moment, he was in the exact same position has Norwood. They were both lights-out homerun backups with scary good YPC averages, boundless potential, and for some odd reason they both had questions surrounding their ability to carry the rock as the feature back without any major injury to substantiate those claims. Now we are down to just one still being stuck in that rut while one has magically proven his worth.

I would warn that lets hope we don’t turn Turner into LJ. They seriously need to split more carries with Norwood this year before that decision is forced upon them. Though, like orang3b here, I’m totally comfortable with Norwood handling the business in the backfield.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed ...

it is after Norwood where things get shaky.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Heaven forbid something happen to both Turner and Norwood, but that happened to TB a couple years ago and they had to rely on their 3rd string RB, which fortunately for them turned out to be pretty awesome. For us though, I don’t think we could rely on Snelling and Brown. I wouldn’t mind having better options, but for this year, this moment, I don’t see it being a pressing need until proven otherwise.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't agree

snellings and brown are like mini versions of turner and norwood snellings is a big back that can carry a whole team,and brown is a quick little rabbit who can sneak around you in a blink i would trust them any dy of the week

by mistab50 on Apr 8, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't think so

If that were the case then we would have never signed Turner to begin with since both were already in place to ‘carry the whole team’ as you say. I don’t think they can’t fill roles, but neither of them are premiere backs in this league and never will be.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,

I was actually more mad about the Turner signing (for the reasons you stated) than drafting Ryan (which I didn’t really like either) – looks like I was plenty wrong on both moves. I just thought with ~65% of the carries, Norwood could’ve done almost what DeAngelo Williams did last year (almost – the 20 TD’s is a pretty ridiculous #).

As far as the LJ comment – would it really kill the game plan to get Norwood 8-10 carries a game instead of 6??! That would be about 50 carries going from Turner to Norwood. I guess I can just hope they decide to give Norwood 30-35% of the carries instead of about 20% (I’m not holding my breath, though).

by orang3b on Apr 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

all these arguments

justify the need for improving the OT positions – it sure is gonna be nice to get Hartstock back, he isn’t mentioned enough, his health greatly affects our running game.

The more I think about people saying we need a TE to avoid predictability, the more I see them filling this need by designing plays that put both Hartstock and Peele on the field – and you gotta hope that this offseason, Peele is getting better and blocking and perhaps, just maybe Hartstock is chizzling those bricks into hands.

by MentallyMIA on Apr 8, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Backfield is not the issue...

I would agree. I don’t think we need to worry about the running back position. We should be fine there.

The more I think about it, DT/NT should be prirority numero uno. As orang3b said, consistent pressure was a major issue last year and a solid DT/NT should help Abraham as well as bust boy Anderson apply pressure from the outside.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 8, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree but I dont think Anderson will ever be what he was predicted, I think we have a better shot at starting C.Davis over Anderson at DE.. They should try Anderson at DT and see how he does I would hate to waste a 1st round pick, ATL has wasted soo many 1st round picks in the past 10years, we need to start picking up the right guys and keeping them..

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hardly wasted

I would not agree that we wasted any 1st rd picks in the last ten years.

1998: Keith Brooking
1999: Patrick Kerney
2000: no pick
2001: Michael Vick
2002: T.J. Duckett
2003: no pick
2004: DeAngelo Hall
2005: Roddy White
2006: no pick
2007: Jamaal Anderson
2008: Matt Ryan

Out of all those picks, imo, only Anderson and Duckett could be considered as a waste of a pick because all of the rest produced at an All-Pro level, regardless of your opinions of Vick and Hall. We also had no business allowing Kerney to sign elsewhere. McKay is a tard, and had we kept Kerney, we would have had no reason to go after a DE in that draft.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

2008: Sam Baker
2004: Michael Jenkins

Saw them, told myself to type them in, failed to follow through on it. Bad on me, but still proof that our 1st round picks have hardly been wasted over the last ten years. In fact, you could easily say they are the exact reason we were so successful last year.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was SO pissed when McKay let Kerney go ...

That was a lot more disrespectful IMO than not re-signing Brooking this spring. Mainly because Kerney still had it, while one can make a very convincing argument for why Brooking shouldn’t be anywhere near a football field on 3rd and 16.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't agree more

I made a huge post last year about the atrocities of McKay, mostly involving the Kerney deal. He had the best year of his career the following year in Seattle, so that lit me up a little.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is what I mean, Duckett wasnt all that great, we let go of Kerney, Anderson Is horrible, D Hall talked more then he played and got burnt by every receiver in the NFL. I’m a huge Vick fan but look at him now. And your right we should of never gotten rid of Kerney or Brooking..

by MTB33 on Apr 8, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood

But wasted would not have been the word I would use. I would even be hesitant to put Duckett on that list simply because he at least produced some for us and was, unfortunately for him, caught by a resurgent Dunn that no one saw coming. I liked Dunn, don’t get me wrong, but he was on the decline, so at the time agreed with the pick. Then he rattled off a bunch of quiet 1k yard seasons and Duckett couldn’t break through, so we traded while his value was still worth something, much like L-Rob.

Anderson, as of this writing, to me is a bust considering his draft status as a high 1st rounder. Warranted or not, that is how players are valued in this league, their production versus what position they were drafted and as such, he is the real wasted pick.

All of the rest, even D-Hall, performed at All-Pro levels while playing for Atlanta. We will disagree on D-Hall I am sure, but he didn’t get to be a ProBowl’er for no reason.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's to early to call anderson a bust

he’s really doing what we expected of im he had a good third season in college and i looked up some of his highschool stats

Freshmen:32 tackles,2.5sacks,12 tackles for loss

sophmore:38 tackles,5.0 sacks,21 tackles for loss

Junior:67 tackles,13.5 sacks,44 tackles for loss

senior:58 tackles,15 sacks,39 tackles for loss

so what im trying to get at is that he is a third year boomer so we still have hope

by mistab50 on Apr 8, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's we?

You don’t draft 1st round picks for three years down the line, especially top ten picks. He was expected to fill the void left by Kerney immediately. Going from zero sacks with absolutely no pass rushing ability to two sacks* with still no pass rushing ability is not progress. His draft position relative to his production labels him a bust, therefore I do**. And if TD & Co draft a DE, then I think it’s fair to say they think so as well.

Also, I’ll have to go check the sources, but I’m pretty sure he didn’t start playing DE until his second year in college, which, as if they aren’t irrelevant enough already, would make his high school stats useless. This isn’t high school.

*And that’s barely two as one of them was by complete luck. Anyone who watched that play saw how he himself did nothing to make that sack happen. He even hesitated because he was probably so surprised that the QB was as open as he was. It was a complete offensive breakdown and it never happened again.

**Again, I hated everything involved that led to him being drafted and I have no faith in him whatsoever. Color me biased.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 8, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

That much like WR’s, DE’s usually take a year or 2 to blossom. Also, I’m not sure I agree that if TD were to draft a DE early, that would mean they think he’s a bust… Abraham’s going to be 31 next season – he is going to start declining soon, guys.

by orang3b on Apr 9, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

Yea Duckett did produce some but still shouldnt have been a 1st round pick.. D-Hall yea we will disagree bc i liked him alot at VT and when we picked him up I was exited, but Everytime it was ready for him to cover someone good he got burnt. Galloway, owens, moss, C. Johnson, M. Colston, S. Smith, and those were just some, yea on short passes he was great but at the long ball he was horrible.. And Anderson will never be good i cant stand him. that was the year Patrick Willis went to SF. they should of gotten him..

by MTB33 on Apr 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea Duckett did produce some but still shouldnt have been a 1st round pick.. D-Hall yea we will disagree bc i liked him alot at VT and when we picked him up I was exited, but Everytime it was ready for him to cover someone good he got burnt. Galloway, owens, moss, C. Johnson, M. Colston, S. Smith, and those were just some, yea on short passes he was great but at the long ball he was horrible.. And Anderson will never be good i cant stand him. that was the year Patrick Willis went to SF. they should of gotten him..

by MTB33 on Apr 9, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brooking needed to go

Or needed a drastic slashing of his contract.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 9, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Falcons need:

1. Smart LB – You know, someone with a brain that isn’t old.
2. Edge Rusher DL – Duh. Abe is mean but he can only hold so much meat in his thrashing maw.
3. Reliable TE – Matty Ice needs a consistently open zone threat.
4. CB – Preferably one taller than 6’

And

5. Nine wins. That’s all I ask.

"If the Falcons ever manage to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I'll french kiss a toilet." - a friend.

by tlozwarlock on Apr 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thrashing maw?

That’s certainly vivid. I approve.

And yeah, nine wins would pretty much make my life.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, someone with a brain that isn’t old.

Funniest thing I’ve read today. Although I’d settle for someone who doesn’t get all wobbly-kneed on third and sixteen.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll always remember Keith Brooking fondly

But he might as well have been in the Goodyear Blimp on that play. That was hellish.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 8, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was flabbergasted

I damn near dropped my beer after that play and if I wasn’t in love with my t.v., as much as I am, I would’ve thrown something through it.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 9, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember what went through my mind

3rd and 16 – play back, one incomplete pass and the ball is ours. Our offense is gonna deliver, that’s ballgame.

I don’t even think it would have been so hard to watch if it was some miracle catch and it was someone in our secondary getting burnt per norm…. but no… sigh – I’ll get over it. This is a process

by MentallyMIA on Apr 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets do this

1st:outside linebacker-if possible clay matthews in the first or jasper brinkley

2nd:corner-and one with speed for that matter if matthews is gone in the first get darius butler with the 24th pick

3rd:DT we need a pass rushing DT not a run stuffer like some say we never really evn go into a 3-4

4th:OT-some one big and some what cordinated

5th:tight end-not really a need but im trying to please the cry babies out there

6th:DE -its a big need but im not giving up hope in anderson he can do it (i hope)

by mistab50 on Apr 10, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

1.) Strong Safety – Immediate need, which always makes drafting hard. Luckily, Thomas DeCoud may fill this spot.
2.) Outside Linebacker – Immediate need as well, which we may need to draft for.
3.) Defensive End – Chauncey Davis may help us get pressure off the edge, but I still think we need one, if nothing else than to eventually replace Abraham. Kroy Biermann may eventually be able to do this.
4.) Cornerback – I think this need will work itself out with a more reliable pass rush, so I don’t want us to draft for this.
5.) Defensive Tackle – I’m thinking a space-eating one-technique, but Trey Lewis may be able to do this for us.
6.) Center – As previously stated, Todd McClure may not make it much longer.
7.) Offensive Tackle – If Baker stays healthy, and Clabo regains some of his effectiveness, we may be okay here.
8.) Wide Receiver – We need “another” Finneran; he can’t have more than a season or two left in the tank.
9.) Tight End – We can work the offense with Ben Hartsock blocking for us, but an elite TE that can do both would work wonders towards “opening” up the offense.
10.) Offensive Guard – Harvey Dahl appeared out of nowhere to start last season. I’m worried he may be a fluke and suddenly go back to nowhere.

Bonus points: 11.) Backup Quarterback – I wonder if Chris Redman has it in him, and Shockley hasn’t got enough reps for me to trust him for an extended period of time.

What I’m worried about: There’s a lot of the word “may” in that… If some of these players don’t pan out, it may be another long year on defense.

by BigManChili on Apr 12, 2009 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

With almost everything you listed there, except the comment about Biermann. I don’t think he’ll ever be anything more than a situational pass rusher – unless he can bulk up about 20-25 pounds, and keep most of his quickness. He weighs less than Curtis Lofton!! He simply has no chance to hold the edge at that size.

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 10:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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