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Tony Gonzalez And A Question Of Value

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At first glance, you'd think I'd be thrilled by the possibility of having a future Hall of Famer coming to the Falcons. It's not like we've been able to boast about that possibility every season or anything.

As usual, though, my borderline-paranoid nature takes over. Yes, Tony Gonzalez is a damn fine tight end. He's put together one of the best tight end careers of all time in Kansas City, and up until last season he never made any waves in the organization. At age 33, he's probably got two or three years left before he hangs it up, but he has aged extremely well thus far. It's not a question of whether he'd upgrade the tight end position for the Falcons, because he would. Easily.

What I worry about is the rumored gain for the Chiefs. Somehow we're supposed to believe that they can give up a second round pick and get a potential franchise quarterback (Matt Cassel) and a decent veteran linebacker (Mike Vrabel), yet we have to give up our second to get a second round tight end? That's not the kind of move I can see the braintrust making, especially because of the multiple needs on defense. A third or fourth round pick for Gonzalez makes a lot more sense.

That said, you do have to ask yourself if the kind of player we should be going for is a two year fix like Gonzalez. Should we trade a pick that could go toward a potential starting safety or defensive tackle (this is mere conjecture)? Is Thomas Dimitroff expecting great things in the fifth and sixth round? Should I just stop questioning the moves this team makes, lest I look foolish?

I want to open this up for discussion, but I'll be extremely clear first. Trading a second round pick this year for Tony Gonzalez would be a terrible move, in my honest opinion. At this stage of his career, he's not worth a second round pick, and I can think of a look of positions of need that are greater than tight end. Knock it down a round or two and I'll give it a wary thumbs up.

Either way, it's kind of exciting to be in the running.

Poll
Should the Falcons swing a trade for Kansas City Chiefs tight end Tony Gonzalez?
Yes, give up whatever's necessary
249 votes
Yes, but a second round pick only
230 votes
Yes, but only if it's third round or later
327 votes
No, he's not worth the asking price
113 votes
No, we don't need him
62 votes
Why don't we just trade for L.J. Smith?
31 votes

1012 votes | Poll has closed

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Ha

You just had to throw that L.J. thing in there didn’t ya?

In the previous post, I asked why won’t the TE talk go away and that we shouldn’t go after Tony. That was really just because I’m tired of talking about a position that I don’t think is a dire need this year. I’m of the opinion that our current TE’s are more than capable of producing the results needed from that position, especially given a full year in Smith’s system under their belt.

But, I have to admit that Tony Gonzalez presents a very intriguing posibility for us. There is no doubt that he is legit and would add another element to our already dynamic offense, as well as creating one more thing opposing defenses would have to account for. The fact that no one would give up a second rounder for him last year might force KC’s hand to deal him for a third rounder this year. If that’s the case, I don’t think I would be hurt by that at all.

Of course, this only makes me angry that we flat released Crumpler after making statements about how he wouldn’t fit into Smith’s system. Seems like going after Tony would only be backtracking on that stance.

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by Jesse28 on Apr 13, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah,

I’d consider Crumpler more like LJ Smith than Tony G. He was nothing special. Plus, I thought the main reason they dumped him was because he was one of the troublemakers (like Hall).

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I’m like the world’s biggest Crumpler fan. I really think his attitude that last season under Petrino had a lot more to do with the fact that he wanted to win and thought Petrino was a terrible coach. I don’t think he was a borderline Hall of Famer, but I thought he was one of our better players for a few years.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that seems like a slam

On Crumpler, but really it’s not – he was absolutely one of the best players on the offense for a while there. But like LJ Smith, his #‘s were inflated because the WR’s were lacking. I just mean that his reputation was bigger than his actual production (in my opinion).

And not being comparable to Tony Gonzalez is not a slam, either… I think he is/was in a totally separate stratosphere compared to other TE’s at his peak.

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's always been my question

Regarding the TE position in general, but even moreso with ‘elite’ TE’s, exactly how much of it is true elite skill versus just being the best receiver on a team with horrible WR’s? Recently, TE’s being heralded as ‘elite’ always seem to be those on the teams with little to no WR help. Add some top flight WR’s to the mix and I’m sure a decent amount of their production falls off, knocking them back into the ‘average’ category.

Falcons fans should know that for a fact after watching years of Alge being our number one receiver. I’m not trying to take away from anything any TE has done, because I loved Alge on the Falcons, but one has to wonder. Alge on our team now doesn’t get near the level of production he got while these same receivers were dropping pass after pass all over the field.

I think Tony on the Falcons would be awesome, but I just think we aren’t at that point of trading away draft picks for aging pro-bowlers yet. I think we need to take at least one more year through the draft, fill as many holes as possible, then see if adding another bonafide star to the mix is enough to put us over the top.

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by Jesse28 on Apr 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

Totally.

I’ll give you Jason Witten though, as an elite TE who has had some decent/good WR’s. And Dallas Clark (although for a couple years he was usually lining up as a slot receiver).

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

First round pick or I'll put a wary foot in YOUR ass.

That’s why Tony isn’t going anywhere. It’s not “just” a tight end. This is a bad ass RECEIVER that does nothing but catch touchdowns and block with the best of em. Pro Bowl #1 Hall of Famer. 2nd round pick? You all can, in the words of Will Ferrell, SUCK ONE!

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You stay classy

I acknowledged that he was a Hall of Famer and one of the best ever to play the position. It’s not an issue of him being an upgrade for the Falcons—because he would be—but that the team has so many needs on defense that I don’t want to roll a first or second round pick your way to fill a smaller hole at tight end.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for stopping by

Would have been more appropriate! =)

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

:)

I welcome you over at my place(s). You can catch me anytime wondering around any of the following:

Quito, Ecudador (Hotel Plaza Grande)
Costa Rica (Peace Lodge)
Cairo, Egypt (Conrad Cairo)
New Delhi, India (Taj Palace Hotel)
Agra, India (Jaypee Palace)
Hainan, China (Banyan Tree Resort)
Chiang Mai, Thailand (Mandarin Oriental)
Escondido, Calif. (Golden Door)
Maui, Hawaii (Kapalua Resort)
Santa Rosa Beach, Fla. (WaterColor Inn)
Scottsdale, Ariz. (The Phoenician)
Kennebunkport, Maine (White Barn Inn)
Lake Lucerne, Switzerland (Park Hotel Weggis)
Santorini, Greece (Katikies)
Orvieto, Italy (Monticchio)
Mcely, Czech Republic (Chateau Mcely)

Thanks.

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Ecuador

Didn’t want you to get lost

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Yes it pays to be a Chiefs fan)

OK I lied I have never been to any of these places. This absolutely sucks to high heaven…

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is an interesting conversation you're having with yourself

but, I just wanted to chirp in and say, if I lived in Kansas City, I would dream about retreating to any of those spots mentioned.

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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson County

Is ten times better than shitty ATL. Google it. Top 5 richest too so you know it’s nice. So .. yea – you’re a dumb ass.

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK ATL isn't all that bad

But still I get pissed when people from either coast think that we live in some barren cow town. Get a grip.

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reading comprehension

You might want to go to your local community college and get some. Not once did he mention anything about your town being anything. But you sure seem to have a pretty low opinion of it yourself since you can’t seem to stop inadvertantly bashing it.

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by Jesse28 on Apr 13, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

High opinions, bub. High opinions..

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

/flagged as troll

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by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
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by Jesse28 on Apr 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Highly doubtful. Plus he made no mention that Atlanta was any better than KC you pompous prick, he simply mentioned that all of the places you listed were better places to be than in KC. I would agree, and add that I would rather be in any of those places than Atlanta right now as well.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
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by Jesse28 on Apr 13, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously can't read between the lines

If anyone would rather be there (which is true) then “Molly” wouldn’t have specifically mentioned Kansas City. This was an indirect insult. Quit being such a douchecanoe.

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's highly doubtful?

The fact that Johnson County, Kansas is one of the richest counties in the nation? Oh, let’s see I did a quick google search for nicest places to live and you know what? http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/bplive/2008/

Overland Park, KS is #9. Imagine that…

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enough

Everyone involved in this discussion needs to cool it. I’m not going to have this discussion devolve into name calling over the merits of Kansas City versus Atlanta.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK. Sorry

But I also wanted to add that Olathe, KS was #11. hehe

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

... right on time

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would've been here sooner

But I left my superhero cape in the washer.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Tony leaves

It will be to a Super Bowl contender. Not the gay Falcons. Cassell + TG = Playoff bound in Pioli’s first year! The Don has arrived.

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 9:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Way to be a complete

moron and jackass JChief. Thanks for making all us Chiefs fans looks bad.

No one is going to give a 1st round pick for a short-term player.

My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.

by IISaiNtII on Apr 13, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

and JChief, if the Falcons landed Gonzalez, I would consider them a Super Bowl contender. What defense in the NFC could deal with the Falcons running attack PLUS the play action opportunities a good rushing game would open up for Gonzalez?

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 13, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it's moot

because Tony’s not going anywhere

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 13, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries

He’s entitled to his opinion. It’d be nice if he didn’t imply that that I was an idiot and the Falcons liked to march in San Fransisco parades, but you can’t have everything.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha! Nice.

OK I utterly apologize because Dave has an awesome sense of humor.

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem, man

I understand not wanting to see a guy like Tony Gonzalez leave. Doesn’t sound like Pioli is going to part with him, regardless.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why we keep him tard!

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by JChief on Apr 13, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we'd make that hasty judgment

on all Chief fans. There are some in every bunch. I can understand the level of frustration with the Chiefs lately. I mean really, if anyone understands, it’s Falcons fans.

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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only question is 2nd rounder or 3rd and how far along are Chiefs in rebuilding

KC is my home town but now I live in Atl, so I follow both teams and am mixed here on this one. KC and Atl both are great cities although very different.

I am quite pleased with the moves KC ownership has taken to turn in a new direction both with new GM and coach and look forward to the Wolfpack having much to howl about very soon. While KC has a rich NFL history, the team has been down for several years and rebuilding just like Atl was last year. Atl has not had any consistent success in NFL over the years. However, considering what Falcons accomplished last year, it is unfair to slam Falcons now when they are at a point Chiefs fans are hoping their team can get close to in the next year or two. Remember, Falcons were a 500 team before the Vick implosion wheras Chiefs have been going down for 2-3 years now. OL, which was once best in NFL is starting over with Brandon Albert last year and I’m sure new adds this one as well. DB’s were getting older too.

Fact is, with Tony as TE the Falcons on offense might just be SB contenders. The issue/question then is their D. As a Falcon fan if they can get Tony for a 3rd rounder , which BTW is all GB offered and nearly closed on with Chiefs last year (until Atl said they would give a 2nd), then I am excited. Knowing what he means and has meant to KC though, it is a significant loss for the Chiefs no matter what. In any case, I think both teams are headed in the right direction now.

There are a lot of TE’s in draft this year like the young man from Columbia Chase Coffman et al. Either team could select one for a long term solution. Atl needs to act sooner than later while KC can wait a few years if TG stays at Arrowhead.

Trading a 1st or 2nd for TG I thinkis a bit high unless you are certain he will put you over the top considering we are talking it is likely his last 2-3 years. Barring several moves, Atl D is not there yet. A high draft choice like that would be solid for KC as you can get a younger player who can contribute much longer. Point is by the time the team is really a playoff contender TG may be retiring. We in Atl have been told the team will build through the draft but maybe they realize adding a special talent like Tony could put the O over the top to the point they have a chance to do something special. Chiefs, on the other hand, know they still have work in the rebuilding process.
My guess is eventually the deal will get done for a 3rd rounder plus maybe a lower level pick as well.

KC Fans know Tony is a class act and that he meant that given he is nearing end of his career he would like to play for a contender. When he said it, he and most Chiefs fans saw no hope of getting out of Carl Peterson’s no longer successful GM ways. Falcon fans can relate having known that same level of hopelessness for years before Arthur Blank purchased them from the frugal Smith family.

I wish both teams well. Only issue I will have is what if they meet in SB one day? Then I will be torn indeed, but it is a dilemma I look forward to.

by leftytel1 on Apr 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Having watched Gonzalez for some time now...

I can say without a doubt he is a superb commodity to the Chiefs. He is our primary WR, as great a blocker you could ask for on the line or down the field. He is without a doubt the best to every play the position.

With that said, it’s a luxury, like having 2 elite receivers. He would immediately improve the recieving options for Ryan, but how many plays do the Falcons run that include the TE in a recieving role? Perhaps the playbook is expanding?

While I think a 2nd is at the high-end of the spectrum for Tony’s service, I think you’d be hard-pressed to find anything even comparable to him in the draft, or available around the league. Jason Witten is about as close as they come if you ask me, but I am not aware of how good his blocking abilities are. Tony keeps himself in great physical condition, and always comes ready to play and play his best. The guy is the “consumate professional.” He says the right things (usually), does the right things, and backs it all up with his on the field play.
In my opinion, if you’re a team that is nearly complete and needed a couple players to get over the hump, a 2nd for a guy who could play for you for well over 2 years if you’re winning and keeping him happy and close to getting or getting that ring, would be worth it.

However, I don’t see him going anywhere to be honest. I don’t think any team will give up a second for him, and I think that’s the value Pioli sees him as having to this team. If an organization does step forward who’s willing to pay that price, he’ll get moved, and I think all the fans would forget about the high price tag when the season starts…. he’s just that good.

My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.

by IISaiNtII on Apr 13, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TY for stopping by

Your comments are appreciated … but I guess I understand JChief’s negativity. After all, if the Birds were looking to trade our best player for a second rounder, I’d probably be a little upset too.

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much appreciated

Great to have perspective from another team’s fans. Thanks for coming by.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm torn

This seems like the kind of move New England would make in the last few years – acquire a veteran who is ready to win now, while their window of opportunity was still open for another 2-4 years. This certainly doesn’t seem in keeping with TD’s professed philosophy of building through the draft.

Of course, if TD & Coach think they can get the Defense even hovering somewhere around league average, this move could/should put the offense completely over the top for the next couple years. I’d still feel a lot better about this if we could get him for a 3rd (or a 3rd & a 5th) instead of the 2nd rounder.

Just for reference – The pick the Chiefs traded for Cassel & Vrabel (#34) was 560 points on the Draft Value Chart, and our 2nd rounder (#55) is worth 350 points – a difference of 210 points (the same value as a mid-3rd-rounder: #76). It’s almost like comparing a late first rounder to an early third rounder…

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If we traded our second round (pick #55) for TG....

Then I believe that TD is almost certain he is going to trade down from the 24th spot to gain another 2nd rounder…

"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."

Bobby Bowden

by NaGaNole on Apr 13, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good observation...

I kind of doubt we’ll trade for Gonzalez, but if we did trade a 2nd, I think you’re line of thinking is wise.

by TomQ on Apr 13, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a little food for thought...

They did an all time draft(1st round) on NFL.com and the NFL experts referred to the 24th and 25th picks as “veritable black holes of talent.” So, maybe you are on to something with this thought.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 13, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good observation

That would bump the move up a little bit in my estimation.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with the rest of the folks

Splendid observation, and that would be my ultimate draft day wishlist. Drop down, still get Sintim or English, get another good pick and Tony Gonzalez. Parting with a 2nd rounder. They love him too much and overvalue him too much for a 3rd rounder to pry him away looks like.

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by Molly Flogger on Apr 13, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate to rain on the parade here

But I don’t see how we could drop down from #24 and pick up an “extra” 2nd rounder. There are only 4 teams with two 2nd rounders: Miami, NY Giants, Cleveland, and New England (with 3!!). New England and Miami are already just before and after us, so I’m ruling them out (would they trade two 2nd rounders to have two picks in a row at the end of the 1st?). Similar problem with the Giants – if they wanted to trade up, they would probably offer #29 and a 3rd/4th rounder, not two 2nd’s.

That leaves Cleveland. The only problem there is that our #24 pick (worth 740 points on the Draft Value Chart), and their #36 (540) and #50 (400) aren’t equal value – we’d have to throw in our 3rd rounder (#90, worth 140 points) and maybe others too.

I think a lot more realistic scenario would be to drop down a few spots (5-10) and pick up a mid-rounder (3rd or 4th). I just don’t see how we could pick up another 2nd rounder if we made the Tony G trade.

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice but

I just don’t think Gonzalez is worth a second round pick at this stage in his career. Don’t get me wrong, I too agree that he is the best to ever play the position but I think we have more pressing needs that a second round pick can help address. I just don’t see him playing much longer and to give up a second round pick just seems a little much.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 13, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More I think about it...

More I think you’d need a kicker. I might consider pulling the trigger if you got Gonzalez plus Chiefs 4th round pick (2nd pick of the round).

by LetsGoFalcons on Apr 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like...

Where you are going with this train of thought. Not a bad idea.

by dwaltlhi on Apr 13, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did have over 1000 yards receiving last year

On a terrible passing team. plus this is a LATE second round pick. I’m torn obviously, but he would be productive for at least two years.

by LetsGoFalcons on Apr 13, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well,

From what I can tell, he had about 35 more passes thrown his way than the next highest TE. So the raw total is inflated a little bit. Actually, when they went to that “Pistol” formation, he was lining up split out as a WR – not as a true TE.

You’re making me talk myself into this. He is obviously still great, is very versatile, etc.

by orang3b on Apr 13, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

All of our tight ends combined had only 19 catches. If you’re not going to take Pettigrew in the first, I would rather pick up Gonzo for a second round pick, and as I proposed the Chiefs 4th rounder. Otherwise, I would just wait until the 4th or 5th round and go defense up until then. But I wouldn’t spend a second or third round pick on any of the TEs in this draft.

by LetsGoFalcons on Apr 13, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I think there are much better TE options coming out next year. I just don’t see the position being anything close to a need right now.

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by Jesse28 on Apr 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WE'RE TALKING TO YOUR JERMAINE GRESHAM!

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

("your" = "you")

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 14, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ESPN claims they independently confirmed ...

(1) The Birds want Tony G
(2) They are willing to part w/ their second rounder

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm on record with my feelings already

So I won’t repeat them if it’s true. Do you have the link?

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was on SportsCenter this afternoon ...

"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)

by FrankyWren on Apr 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

I just wanted to be able to link to it if there was a link. I sometimes forget SportsCenter even exists.

by Dave the Falconer on Apr 13, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second rounder?

For a hall of fame tight end that the Falcons would be thankful to get 2 years out of before he decides for retirement? ….No deal!

"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"

by Edgecrusher211 on Apr 14, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We don't have to give the Chiefs an 09 second round pick...

But any second round pick, regardless if it’s present or future, would not be cool with me, especially considering both Smitty and TD are draft oriented team builders. Do I want a great TE? Yes. Do I want Gonzalez? Not really.

"If the Falcons ever manage to win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, I'll french kiss a toilet." - a friend.

by tlozwarlock on Apr 14, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I wonder if we could trade them a past 2nd round pick? I’m betting TD could swing it and they wouldn’t even bat an eye.

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 14, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or ...

maybe we could trade them our first rounder (1st overall) from ‘01. Then Vick’s contract would magically fly off the books, and all would be right in the world.

Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?

Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

by FrankyWren on Apr 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

nioce!

"If Woody were Captain of the Titanic, he'd argue the boat sinking speaks to how effectively they put rich people in life boats and lock the poor folks below."
-jrauch commenting at Hoopinion on Woody's (non)logic in his post-game comments

by Jesse28 on Apr 14, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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