A Very Falcoholic Discussion: Every Position Battle
by Dave Choate on Mar 27, 2009 8:00 AM EDT
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PrintBecause you guys seem to want a discussion of substance--and when I say substance, I'm thinking of something like cement--I decided this would be a great time to unveil this particular talking point.
I want you to take every position on the roster where there's any question of ownership change and predict it. Doesn't matter if you think it'll be an incumbent like Curtis Lofton at middle linebacker, a relative newcomer like Thomas Brown winning the kick return job or a draft pick slotting in along the defensive line. Just run down the roster and pick either the ones you're most interested in or as many as you possibly can.
My hope is that this will get everyone thinking about what the roster could possibly looke like. We've discussed it piecemeal in the past, but taking a hard look at the roster as a whole--even if it's a rather unrealistic one--ought to give us a better gauge of where the Falcons will be next season.
Enjoy!
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This looks good to me
DE- Abraham
DT-Babineaux
DT- Chris Baker *Rookie
DE-Davis *More production
LB- Peterson
LB-Lofton
LB-Sintim *Rookie
CB-Houston
CB-Jackson
FS-Coleman
SS-Moore * Rookie
I think that what were asking here? I would like to see Anderson moved from his starting role to a back up. Not sure how long the Falcons are going to wait for him to produce..
"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"
um do we have a high 2nd round choice?
cause i really dont se us being able to get both Sintim and Moore unless we move up in the 2nd round to get Moore.
by TheFranchiseis#2 on Mar 27, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Moore could fall
Sintim will certainly be available in the 1st. If not Moore, I’d be quite pleased with Chung. I’m not sure how far Moore’s value has dropped since the combine, but its a possibility he could be available.
"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"
by Edgecrusher211 on Mar 28, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Read on another MB
where Thomas DeCoud is gonna get first shot at SS job. It was a direct MS quote.
" No, I think I'll sit in the balcony " - Abe Lincoln
Brown > Douglas > Decoud > U.S.A. > Dave > DOL > Poo > Australia > Jennings
Sorry … I had to go there.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
Thats funny...
what you got against Australia there mate? I used to love watching Aussie Rules football. Never understood what the “rules” were or if they even existed but it was entertaining. I bet they can still hit below the knees. And thats without pads.
BTW, I would go with TO’s assessment down the although I would put Dave as > Poo. That is, if he could fair catch the damn ball
"When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something"
-Dick Butkus
Douglas>DeCoud>Brown>Poo>Dave>D'O-L>Jamaal Anderson>Jennings
don’t forget the pile of poo who mans the DE opposite Abraham.
by TheFranchiseis#2 on Mar 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how I got dragged into this
But poo really can’t be that much higher on the food chain than me.
I dig Australia ...
my buddy studied abroad there, and he had the time of his life. It was a cheap shot at TO Falcon, more or less.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
Oh dang ...
that would have even better. My bad TO.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
I love these kind of discussions....I'm going to be very bold...Buuuut
DE- Abraham
DT- Rookie
DT- Babineaux
DE- Davis
LB-Peterson
LB- Lofton
LB- Rookie
CB- Houston
CB- Jackson
FS- Coleman
SS- DeCoud
Another kind of interesting observation, and while it may apply to college football primarily, I think it’s of equal weight here. Mark Richt said on Chris Low’s SEC Blog that everybody looks at the signings and the guys currently on the field, but no one looks at the in between, the guys who are working to get on the field.
DeCoud was a third round pick and last year was his rookie season. Given how good our rookies were I feel like he’s getting lost in the discussion. Same goes with Nicholas, who suffered some injuries which might have set back his development. The one area we have yet to fully see is the offseason development of players as a result of this regime’s system. A lot of the guys on the roster are going to get their shot at winning the battle for their defensive positions. I think this might bear more fruit than we anticipate.
Actually ...
I think that is fairly accurate. I really see TD/Smitty moving Anderson inside and putting him at DE only on obvious running plays.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
Offensive Line
RT: Rookie
RG: Dahl
C: McClure
LG: Justin “I Need a Headstart” Blaylock
LT: Baker
Assuming we draft a rookie OT, I see/I hope Clabo reverting/reverts to a back up role. I know that he only gave up 2.5 sacks (ranked 6 out of 32 RTs who were ranked), but I feel like some of that may have to do w/ Burner/Hartsock.
He’s a stud on some running plays, but I still think we could use an upgrade. Consider the following: The Birds ran behind Clabo on 8 percent of running plays last fall. Compare that w/ the Birds running behind Baker/Weiner 17 percent of the time. The Birds’ Adjusted Line Yards behind Clabo was 4.25 (ranked 16/32). The Birds’ Adjusted Line Yards behind Baker/Weiner was 4.87 yards (ranked 6/32).
The unit as a whole excelled last year (as in exceeded expectations). But can and should look to improve. Burner had a great season and the unit ranked 5th in sacks allowed (only 17 … but some of that has to do w/ Hartsock/Burner).
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
"but can" should read "but they can"
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
CB
Von Hutchins will start opposite Houston.
I like Hutchins as depth ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKt9T-27ZIg&eurl=http%3A%2F%2F
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
I agree
that Hutchins will start, thats why he was brought it. Its was TD after all.
go hard or go home
I dunno
I’ve never really been impressed with Hutchins – I’m not expecting him to win the job. I’d be much more comfortable with him playing Nickle.
I think it's going to be Chevis Jackson
They brought Hutchins aboard to start, but he missed all of last year and Jackson looks like a rising prospect. I’d be comfortable with him in the nickel.
okay heres my crack at it
DE- Abraham
DT- Rookie/ Trey Lewis
DT- Babineaux
DE- Davis
LB-Peterson
LB- Lofton
LB- Nicholas
CB- rookie
CB- Jackson
FS- Coleman
SS- DeCoud
okay from what Ive heard the team is supposed to be very high on the upside of OLB Stephen Nicholas. he supposedly would have started last year at Brooking’s spot had he stayed in the middle. which makes me believe that we won’t look LB in the first and we can go get a CB/S and worry about LB in the 2nd or 3rd. LB Clay Matthews (the other USC LB) could be gotten in the 2nd-3rd round. if trey Lewis is healthy and can avoid stairs he should be able to become a solid starter (tho knee injury’s on the line are troublesome.) all in all i don’t think we have as many needs as some people think. oh and we will get a TE in the draft but there aren’t going to be any complete te after the 3rd round so he will probably be a pass catching specialist.
by TheFranchiseis#2 on Mar 27, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions
I agree w/ everything except the CB situation ...
I could see us going CB at some point in the draft, but I think Houston is our best CB at this point.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
my turn
DE-Abraham
DT-rookie/Fili Moala
DT-Babineaux
DE-Davis
LB-Peterson
MLB-Lofton
LB-rookie/Jasper Brinkley/Danell Ellerbe
CB-rookie/Christopher Owens
CB-Jackson
FS-coleman
SS-DeCoud/free agent/Draft
now thats what im thinking why not go for talent instead the big names just get the best players
thats what im thinking in the draft
My thoughts
DE-Abraham
DT-Trey Lewis
DT-Babineaux
DE-Davis
LB-Peterson
LB- Lofton
LB-Rookie
CB-Houston
CB-Chevis Jackson
FS-Coleman
SS-DeCoud
That'd be my ideal starting D ...
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
That is the same as my list...
I have nothing to add, except that rookie at SOLB will be James Laurinitis. Before you doubt me, check his measurables against Cushing, who most people think would be great in the 4-3. We could even trade down a few sport and get another pick and get him. All this is contigent that TD doesn’t think Pettigrew is to TEs as Ryan is to QBs…
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
My biggest reason for preferring Clint Sintim
Is that I really, truly believe he’s one of the top three pass-rushing linebackers in the draft. He may not be the most well-rounded—and I know a lot of people think a lot of James Laurinitis—but we were woeful in that area last year. There’s a lot of solid choices around 24, though.
IMHO...
But I think with Davis on the end playing full time, he will evole into that near top tier level of pass rusher. Babs is getting more penetration and getting the backfield more often. And Abraham is all world. Laurinitis can rush when he has too, and he can light up a TE on the hot route so he won’t wanna catch another pass…and strong enough to take RBs on an off tackle run in the open field. I think he is a better tackler than Sintim …
"We're not maxed out, ... The best is still ahead of us."
Bobby Bowden
You may well be right
And I know the pass rush would ideally come from the front four, but I do like Sintim’s chances. Laurinitis is an interesting choice…
by Dave Choate on Mar 28, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ideal Starting Offense
RT: Edgecrusher211
RG: iRonin (the kid is ruthless against the run and the pass)
C: Vishnu
LG: Poo
LT: Warlock
QB: Our Fearless Leader
RB: Runningback (it makes sense)
FB: Jesse28
WR: orang3b (he’s a sneaky one)
WR: TO Falcon (his bushy goatee will leave DBs dazed/confused)
TE: Me (I have the dual-threat thing on lock down)
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
Nice!
My high school team sucked when I was there, but after I left we were state champs three out of four years. My college team has only ever been average.
by Dave Choate on Mar 28, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
New goal
Have readers of The Falcoholic play a game. Estimated time: 2050!
by Dave Choate on Mar 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Whoa there ...
we still need a defense. I haven’t had time to slap it together yet.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
You'll make the D ... which shall be forthcoming
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
lmao
I’m far from RT qualifications. at 155, I’d get flattened every single snap. One bull rush, I’d be on my ass on a second.
"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"
by Edgecrusher211 on Mar 28, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
about 4 or 5 months ago
was there even enough regulars around here to assemble the future falcon’s franchise like this?
By Popular Demand: The Falcoholic's Starting D
DE: Poo (he’ll play both ways as well … can you say instant upgrade?!?!)
DE: Pregame with Pabst (once he gets that syrup in him …)
DT: Zooker (great nickname for a D-Lineman
DT: Warlcok (he’ll play both ways … I had to put him here after that story he posted)
LB: mistab50 (he has to be better than Brook was last fall)
LB: acie4mvp (from reject to MIKE)
LB: Blue Falcon (they say he’s lost a step … but he’s still an effective pass rusher)
CB: Grayson (can you say lockdown?)
CB: NaGaNole (FL State always puts out quality DBs … or rather they used to)
FS: TheFranchiseis#2 (as long as he can keep up w/ half the burner WRs in the league … he’ll be an upgrade over Law Dog)
SS: SquallCloud (DeCoud/SquallCloud … coincidence? I think not)
Oh, and I nearly forgot.
PR/KR: Mentally MIA
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
oh ya
Oh i can keep up. and ill use stickum to pick off pass’s.
by TheFranchiseis#2 on Mar 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang ...
you’re a big dude. Has TD called you yet? Don’t know if you’ve heard, but the Birds need a new OLB or two.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
and in this scenario
could we trust Dave to head the team at QB? Or would we be better off making Poo handle leading our offense along with it’s defensive dooties (typo? I think not)?
The Concensus
It seems everyone is on the same page as far as keeping Anderson out of the starting lineup..
"Just want the Falcons to win a bowl before I'm gone!"
Alright Here's my crack
DE Abraham
DT Anderson (I doubt they given up on him just yet and would rather move him)
DT Babineaux
DE Davis
LB Peterson
LB Jackson
LB Rookie
CB Houston (underrated)
CB Rookie
FS Coleman
SS DeCoud
Hopefully Cushing could be there or Matthews Jr for LB I think they are gonna look hard at a 2nd round CB that could be secondary starter. But in all honesty I see only Peterson Jackson and Abraham being the only locks.
Mine
Base 4-3 (1st/2nd Down):
DE Abraham (with Davis & others spelling him)
DT Babineaux
DT Trey Lewis/Rookie (this spot is probably my biggest question mark)
DE Anderson
OLB Peterson
MLB Lofton
OLB Nicholas/Rookie/Wire (in that order?)
CB Houston
FS Coleman
SS DeCoud
CB Chevis Jackson
AND Nickle Package (3rd Down/Long Yardage):
DE Abraham
DT Babineaux
DT Anderson
DE Davis
LB Lofton (Coach Smith thinks he’ll be a 3 down player this season)
LB Peterson/Nicholas/Rookie (whichever is best in coverage – I don’t know)
CB Houston
CB Jackson
Nickle CB Hutchins/Rookie/Grimes/Irons
FS Coleman/Hutchins
SS DeCoud/Coleman
I guess I’m one of the few who think Anderson’s going to still be “starting”. But with how many plays off they give Abraham, I think Davis will play about as many snaps as either of the other 2 DE’s, so “starter” is just a technicality. Also, Hutchins can play FS, so if they like/draft a rookie CB – or if they don’t want DeCoud out there every down – Rookie/Grimes/Irons could play Nickle with Hutchins @ FS, and Coleman moving to SS. Or they could draft a FS. Or… I could go on and on. Like I said, I think our biggest question mark now is probably that DT/NT spot. Depending on Trey Lewis scares the crap out of me right now.
By the way
Like FrankyWren, I’d like to see another option at RT. I also hope and pray that Thomas Brown can stay healthy (not counting on it), so Norwood doesn’t have to handle Kickoff Returns, so they can get him some more freaking carries!!! Also, I wouldn’t mind a later round flyer on competition for that 4th WR spot.
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